Mocking The Cowboys Draft: Who The Fans Would Pick
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 23, 2012 10:00 AM CST
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On Friday last week we kicked off the 2012 BTB Mock Draft Challenge in which we asked BTB members for their mock Cowboys drafts and then asked the community to vote on the mocks.
But instead of simply asking for a list of randomly put together names, we limited the flexibility by establishing some specific rules:
The mock draft had to be conducted according to the player rankings provided by the CBSSports.com big board. No trading down was allowed, and trading up was only permissible if the trade value points given up were equal to or greater than the trade value points received.
This significantly limited the options in the mock drafts and forced the mockers to make decisions that they might not have had to make with a less rigorous approach.
People got busy over the weekend, and by 6:00 AM this morning, more than 90 different mocks were submitted, most of which actually met our guidelines for this exercise.
After the break, we look at some highlights from these mocks and vote on who put together the most appealing mock draft.
One of the issues of working with a big board in a mock like this is that there will always be players who are perceived to be ranked too low (strangely, nobody complained about players being ranked too high). Also, at this early stage in the draft process, the better-known names in the draft attract a lot of attention, especially in the later rounds, as we'll see a little further down.
But the big boards will get better as we get closer to the draft. We'll have more and better information on the prospects, so we'll definitely repeat the exercise after the Combine and free agency.
For this analysis, I looked at the mock drafts that had met the rules of the contest and received at least one recommendation by 6:00 AM this morning. In order to establish how popular a given player was, I collected 'votes' for each player mentioned in a mock draft, with each rec' counting as one vote and one extra vote for the author of the mock draft. So in a mock with seven players that received three rec's, each player got four 'votes' (three rec's and one vote for the author).
In total, 108 players were picked in 54 mocks and 'voted on' 308 times. And without further ado, here are some top-line thoughts on what we saw in the mock drafts.
Nobody likes to trade up: The CBS big board had Michael Brockers (13th), David DeCastro (11th) and Dre Kirkpatrick (10th) ranked ahead of the Cowboys' 14th pick. While 16 of the 54 (30%) mocks proposed trading up in the first round, they only received 16% of the votes. Trading up was not a popular option in this exercise, despite some pretty enticing names available. It appears that the cost of moving up was generally judged to be too high.
No secondary help in the first round: Only 12 mocks (22%) picked a Corner or Safety in the first round. The community didn't like those mocks and only awarded them 11% of their votes. But then the mocks went hard after corners in the second and third rounds, with Chase Minnifield, Stephon Gilmore and Josh Norman being the most popular names.
Arkansas? Three players out of Arkansas show up strong in the 5th and 6th rounds. This may be just a coincidence, or our mockers are convinced Jerry Jones is getting ready to draft the second player out of Arkansas in his 24th draft for the Cowboys.
Here are the favorites per round as ranked by number of votes accumulated:
| Rank | Player | POS | School | Votes |
| First Round (14th Pick) | ||||
| 19 | Melvin Ingram | OLB | South Carolina | 33% |
| 21 | Peter Konz | C | Wisconsin | 17% |
| 14 | Nick Perry | DE | Southern California | 14% |
| 13 | Michael Brockers | DT | LSU | 8% |
| 11 | David DeCastro | OG | Stanford | 6% |
| 2nd Round (45th Pick) | ||||
| 47 | Chase Minnifield | CB | Virginia | 35% |
| 56 | Bruce Irvin | OLB | West Virginia | 14% |
| 42 | Stephon Gilmore | CB | South Carolina | 13% |
| 3rd Round (82nd Pick) | ||||
| 87 | Vontaze Burfict | ILB | Arizona State | 25% |
| 88 | Josh Norman | CB | Coastal Carolina | 24% |
| 4th Round (113th Pick) | ||||
| 115 | Alameda Ta'amu | DT | Washington | 40% |
| 122 | Brandon Brooks | OG | Miami (Ohio) | 19% |
| 5th Round (144th Pick) | ||||
| 145 | Tramain Thomas | FS | Arkansas | 18% |
| 155 | Joe Adams | WR | Arkansas | 13% |
| 148 | Emmanuel Acho | OLB | Texas | 12% |
| 6th Round (175th Pick) | ||||
| 178 | Ryan Broyles | WR | Oklahoma | 16% |
| 175 | Jerry Franklin | ILB | Arkansas | 15% |
| 177 | Akiem Hicks | DT | Regina | 14% |
| 7th Round (213th Pick) | ||||
| 221 | Kellen Moore | QB | Boise State | 39% |
Melvin Ingram emerges as the lead vote-getter in the first round. The second round appears to be the Cornerback round. Many mockers defaulted to Chase Minnifield as he was the next available corner after the 45th pick, but trading up three spots to get Stephon Gilmore also appears to have been an appealing option.
In the third round, Josh Norman was another appealing option at corner. Vontaze Burfict was generally felt to be graded too low by CBS but as a 3rd rounder was also felt to be worth whatever perceived or imagined risk he carries.
In the fourth round, mockers went hard after Alameda Ta'amu, who was conveniently situated just two picks down from the Cowboys' pick. In the fifth and sixth round, no real consensus picks emerged, and the seventh round saw a lot of mocks taking Kellen Moore. Judging by the number of mocks taking Moore, he's likely rated a round or two too low.
BTB Mock Draft overview
| BTB Member (No. of Rec's) | 1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round | 5th Round | 6th Round | 7th Round |
| TheCowboyWay (21) | Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina | Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina |
Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona |
Alameda Ta’amu DT/NT, Washington |
(traded up for Gilmore) |
Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma | Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State |
|
Rohpuri (13) |
Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina | Chase Minnifield, CB Virginia | Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona | Brandon Brooks, G, Miami of Ohio | Tramain Thomas, FS, Arkansas | Evan Rodriguez, FB/TE/H-Back, Temple | Kellen Moore, QB Boise State |
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Trueblue122 (13) |
Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina | Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska |
Shuan Prater, CB, Iowa | Alameda Ta’amu DT/NT, Washington | Quinton Saulsberry, C, Mississippi State | Jerry Franklin, ILB, Arkansas | Desmond Wynn, OG, Rutgers |
| Rena (12) | Nick Perry, DE, Southern California | Chase Minnifield, CB Virginia | Josh Norman, CB, Costal Carolina | Alameda Ta’amu DT/NT, Washington | Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas | George Bryan, TE, NC State | Max Gruder, ILB, Pittsburgh |
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Blue Eyed Devil (12) |
Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina | Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina | Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona | Alameda Ta’amu DT/NT, Washington | (traded up for Gilmore) | Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois | Jaymes Brooks, OG, Virginia Tech |
|
Creasy729 (11) |
Nick Perry, DE, Southern California | Chase Minnifield, CB Virginia | Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri |
Malik Jackson, DE/DT, Tennessee |
Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas | Jerry Franklin, ILB, Arkansas | Kellen Moore, QB Boise State |
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I don't like any of them
I’m hoping for either DeCastro or Brockers at #14, really don’t think Ingram or Perry will be the BPA at 14 under any scenario.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
hey Terry...now do you think the Giants are better than the Cowboys?
at least a little bit??
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
crickets
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Stop being a tool.
The Cowboys beat the 49ers without Kyle Williams killing the Niners twice. ;)
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
i guess your talking to McLovin
i dont think the 49ers will win very much with Alex Smith being QB & if it wasn’t for that there defense it’d be ugly in san Fran IMO.
i do agree that the Giants are the better team & if they cant get pressure consistenly on Eli he’ll eat them up.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I'm not sure who it was
Terry or no Terry but the Giants are a better football team than the Dallas Cowboys. I’m not a hater, I’m just objective.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
oh no - you're a hater....
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
Though I'm pretty sure everyone stopped thinking that at Week 17
Up until that they were pretty comprable.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
really?? do you really believe that?
because i was here before week 17 and seems to me there were a lot of cowboy fans here that were vocal about their suspicions that we we going to get beat handily…
and you have to think that there were a lot of other fans that were thinking the same thing but were afraid to admit it
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
Beating that dead horse again.
Move along
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
They were very very very comparable up until that last week.
Stop acting like the Giants went 14-2 and the Cowboys went 6-10. Romo had a broken hand and they were still somehow in the game.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
did you have a link that confirms his was broken & not bruised?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
oh of course there is no link.....
i actually heard that it was amputated and re-attached
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
i wasnt trying be rude buddy. i thought it was something confirmed after the season
playin with a bruised hand is pretty bad but a broken hand would top his lung/rib injury
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Your a tool
We had no chance at beating them the second game Romo still had a swollen throwing hand and the game plan was also with that in consideration. They where at there best in the first game and we should have won that one they played OK in the second game. They have a better defensive front but a better team no they made the last game count we didn’t due to injurys to our qb. Does this mean the eagles are better than them they beat NY. Seriously man go away.
by Sado44 on Jan 23, 2012 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOL.
For once we agree.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Think about it
Fan of a team that CONTINUOUSLY tells you how bad his favorite team is = oxymoron.
McLovin, nobody cares, okay? We don’t all go to sleep marveling at how smart you are.
Shock us all. Tell us what you love about your favorite team. That would be really weird.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
he can't
McLovin9 is the Randy Quaid character from Major League 2 who showed up to Indians games just to boo and cheer against his team.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 10:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let's see, the Giants are in the SB, Dallas has been sitting home for the playoffs.
It’s kinda of a no brainer the Giants are the better team.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Exactly....
Gimmie Ingram over Nick Perrry….
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
i really dont care if its a OLB or DE but this team needs pass rushers before they can win late in the season
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
no to Ingram....just resign Spencer if you want him....
lack of consistency, 4.82 40 time precombine….that does not bode well for covering RB’s or TE’s in the flat…too small to play DE in a 3-4…..
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
dont get 40 times confused with pass rush ability
40 times dont always = dominate pass rushers. somewhere own the line the player must have the knack to get at the QB.
Butler has the knack to get after the pass rusher better then Spencer IMO & thats huge for an OLB. i think Spencer is a good player but he doesnt have the nose for the QB.
just like WRs, i dont much stock in all the measurables compared to the ball skills & football IQ. CBs with ball skills are more valuable then some lighting rod that cant catch his breath.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
granted this was precombine
and I do agree that we need all the numbers but his in his scouting report he didn’t shine as well as some other prospects it seemed….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
A lot of pass rushing is desire.
Yes talent is huge, but I think we could draft a couple of young, smart, motor guys to help fill the void until we can come across something better. In the meantime improve the team wherever you can with the best upgrades possible. Unless we make a big FA signing I don’t see how we get a stud opposite DWare because there isn’t one in this draft, imo.
FA seems kinda bare this year....
lot of players reupped in their last year after the new CBA was signed….nothing in the OLB market except Ahmad Brooks from SF, CB’s maybe 3 to choose from, Mario Williams is the biggest name out there on defense and we are not going to give up that kinda money this year….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 AM CST up reply actions
true there
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
That's like the exact 40 time that Tamba Hali ran.
The more important numbers for OLBs are vertical (initial burst) and short shuttle (agility). If you have an OLB running 40 yard dashes against RBs you are screwed no matter who it is.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 23, 2012 4:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
+1
anybody know what he scored on those attributes?
by somebodyquiet on Jan 23, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
We won't have any reliable numbers on that until the combine.
I hope for his sake that he gets down to around 270 lbs. by the time march comes around.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 23, 2012 5:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you that LB's in general are a matchup in favor of the offense in coverage but watching Spencer trail behind them in coverage was sickening...
hence the reason we have someone like Bruce Carter to cover them with his athleticism….hope he pans out….maybe we draft his running mate from UNC Zach Brown?….lol
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Look at the 3 cone, 10 yard sprint, and verticle numbers
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
The SackSEER metric
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
i agree on getting those numbers....will definately change how he is viewed...
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
No way on Brockers.
DeCastro would be fine. However, another LSU Defense lineman, REALLY? Check back and see how well those drafted LSU defensive lineman have done. You must not be expecting to get a pressure player. You mean wanted to get another Spears im guessing?
NOOOOO WAY!
Absolutely!
Just because Bockers went to LSU and projects to play a 34 End it means that he’ll be EXACTLY like Marcus Spears. Just like Andrew Luck will be exactly like Chad Hutchinson and Reilly Reiff is going to be Robert Gallery, but Quinton Copples is going to be Julius Peppers…better draft him.
its just an early comparison....don't your panties in a twist....
if he shines and becomes the next Richard Seymour great, however if he fails to grow as a player and he does in fact mirror Spears stat wise he wouldn’t be a failure, just a disappointment…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
sorry...my sarcasm meter batteries must have died without me realizing it.....
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 26, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'd throw a tantrum if we didn't have any interior o-line in the draft
provided we don’t sign anyone in free agency beforehand. I’d do the same if the secondary were not addressed.
by NerdVernacular on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd join
I’d even be down to fling feces.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I want DeCastro too
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
This is a tough one
Because we have some youth that could benefit from the strength and training in the off season. We also have a chance to shore up the line in Free Agency, and I only think we would need to sign one or two people. We might have the problem solved, or have some good options and have better luck drafting defense. Too many variables to demand O-Line out of the draft. Just recognizing it is a problem is enough for me.
it sounds like Callahan wants a veteren player to mix with the youger guys
The Jets had young linemen in left tackle DBrickashaw Ferguson and center Nick Mangold and the first move New York made was signing All-Pro guard Alan Faneca to a deal with $21 million in guaranteed money.
According to Callahan, Faneca helped raise the level of play of Ferguson to his left and helped Mangold see the game better.
You can’t help but wonder if New Orleans guard Carl Nicks can do for the Cowboys what Faneca did for the Jets provided the Saints are not able to re-sign him and the Cowboys are willing to shell out mega-millions.
"All I can go by is my experience with him at Nebraska and he was awfully talented," Callahan said. "He’s really matured into the fine player he is today. He’s dominant in every respect. I think that his play provides a lot of firmness in that pocket for Drew [Brees] to step up into. I’ve got a lot of respect for Carl and how he’s developed himself as a pro in New Orleans. I have a good friend who’s the line coach there, and he speaks very highly of him. I’m happy for his success."
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
remember they brought in Faneca to help mold the youngins...
Kosier was there to serve the same purpose in Smith’s rookie year and to help out Costa his first year starting…..
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
they brought Faneca in to upgrade the OL more then a mentor from what Callahan said
Kosier obviously at the very end of his career & if that was thinking behind Kosiers contract then no wonder theres problems in dallas
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Kosier will be replaced with Nicks
Then they’ll also draft a G, hopefully DeCastro.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he was signe3d to a 3 year deal that wasn't massive by any means and before his injury Kosier has consistently graded out as one of the best linemen that Dallas has....
whats your point?…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Im buying more into the idea of drafting DeCastro at 14
Or we’ll be looking for a new QB because Tony will be on IR since we can’t protect him.
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
what if we don't like any of them
can we vote on the worst?
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
Ehh it was a flawed premise
Using the CBS big board to judge the talent, you can’t have players drafted higher than what CBS slotted them without trading up. CBS’ board also blows.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
But a good exercise.
Setting some criteria, forceing people to make some tradeoffs and try to fit the pieces together. Besides, what else do we have to do right now? Might as well enjoy what iffing.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
+1
not much else to do while ya wait for the draft
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Oh I'm not saying stop.
By all means, dick around before March. It’s a long slog until the Combine and Free Agency, I totally get you.
Well judging off of the poll, that would be mine lol.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Burfict is undraftable - due to character issues
and the first interior lineman selected is in the 4th, and just two more in the 7th?
If DeCastro is available and not taken, then drop back and take Konz.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
There is no way burfict goes undrafted. Also there is no way he’s there in rd3. Just my opinion
by gasman8 on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude it's a 3rd rounder.
It’s okay to take a high risk/high reward pick there. He’s just a tool, it’s not like his football skills are in question.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, i am not happy with my choice of words
he’s obviously going to be drafted, but this iteration of Cowboys just don’t need to invite a problematic character into the locker room.
But… immaturity is mercurial and tough to gauge by any standards.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
He's a rookie...
It’s not like they’re signing a Vet like Warren Sapp that will demand special treatment in the locker room. He’s tough to gauge but it’s a third round pick, yes there’s risk, but with that kind of reward you’d be dumb not to take the chance. Worst case scenario, you end up blowing a third round pick, no biggie. Best case scenario? You get a Patrick Willis-lite type LB. VERY big deal.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Willis' ILB buddy next to him was a 3rd round rookie
He’s an animal.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
Don't see what you're getting out
Just noticed your sig…awesome.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Niner's ILB... drafted in 3rd round last year
Cowboys had an option at him but I think traded.
His name escapes me.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
Well there's plenty of great players that were drafted in the 3rd round.
Usually if they fall that far there was something wrong with them, one aspect of their skills were underrated, or they made a jump in skills that no one saw. Murray’s a pretty good example. People tend to underrated a running back’s vision and their ability to find the open holes and look more at their physical tools. Same thing with the ability to shed tackles and follow blockers.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
i think Murrays biggest problem was risk of injury & his running style
+1 on Murrays vision & it just goes to show no matter how talented a RBs skills are if they cant find holes in the NFL then there not worth drafting.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Navaro Bowman
basically a Sean Lee clone(probably why we passed on him) Here is his proday workout:
Height: 6004
Weight: 242
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.66
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26(combine)
Vertical Jump: 35 1/2
Broad Jump: 09’09"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.20
3-Cone Drill: 6.70
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
I still like the Lee Pick
However , there’s no denying Bowman’s talent and play
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
+1
i like the Lee pick & should be a good player for this defense but Bowmans a beast. that dude can punish people where Lee’s a little less intemidating
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
well we had Lee rated higher
both are really good
if we didnt trade for Dez, we could have gotten him in the 3rd round
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Navaro Bowman
played at Penn St next to Sean Lee
Cowboys gave Bowman a first round grade, could have drafted him in the 3rd, but that pick was traded for Dez
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Dez has been one of the best players on the team.
As has Sean Lee, anyways I highly doubt that the team would draft both him and Lee in the same year.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Dez has been an average WR.
I’d love to see him break out next season and become one of the elite WR in the league.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Average, really?
PFF has him in the top ten, despite missing time, and he was ranked 13th in DYAR again, despite missing time. Learn what average means.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Watch the damn games, he has all the talent in the world,
now it’s time to use it.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Watching the games you'd think he's one of the best.
So fierce on the field, he abuses DBs more than Michael Irvin did.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
hahahahaaaa
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
He doesn't get very good consistent separation
If he doesn’t polish his route running, he will never be more than “good”…and not live up to his potential to be dominant.
The Superbowl is played three times each year: the "real" one, and the two times we play the Philadelphia Eagles.
Some people on here won't accept the truth.
I’m all for Dez breaking out, but he is what he is.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
scared you may be right.
I hope not, but it’s so annoying to watch a guy that could just utterly dominate Andre Johnson style just be “good”.
The Superbowl is played three times each year: the "real" one, and the two times we play the Philadelphia Eagles.
hopefully he gets out the bars & gets into his playbook
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Dez problem off the los is theuse of his hands t ofree himself, wr coach made that a point about dez .
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
abuses??
dude – in a pass happy league and on a pass happy team he is 30th in yds receiving, 39th in receptions
so its symptomatic of a lot of things on this team….
he should be much better with that much talent
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
You know who is young and really abuses DBs?
Victor Cruz. I hate to see it, but CBs look totally frustrated every game with covering this guy. Reminds me of Austin a couple years ago.
Navarro Bowman.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Maybe next time I won't leave an internet window open all night and answer the first thing I see.
As this has been answered 468 times already.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
went 1 pick after our 3rd rd pick
that we traded away. We took Sean Lee in rd 2 and could have landed Bowman his Penn State teammate in rd 3 but we used the pick to move up for Dez Bryant. That draft yr when the Boy`s went to the Penn State workout they spent a lot of time with both LB`s.
+1 i;d take Burfict in the 3rd in a heartbeat but i dont think he makes it out the 2nd IMO
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I like Burfict.
We wouldnt need Burfict to be a pressure player. We need somebody who plays smash mouth football, makes tackles on the opposing side of the line of scrimmage. Something was badly lack. Another problem is that we dont have players who make opposing players fear aka James Harrison. Guys are nervous we he comes around cause they know he is about to lay some wood. We need more mean, nasty dudes who wear the star. No aggression on defense. Some one who will play like you just slapped him momma. Burfict is that guy. Im not sure he makes its to the 3rd round though. He would be a great compliment to Lee and Im seeing that Carter is a very fast, clever Nickle LB. We would be straight if we get him.
At there any other highlights of Ingram out there?
I’ve seen his TD highlights but where can I find tape of him applying pressure? He’s athletic but I’ve yet to see him over power anyone.
by thegloryyears on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
None of these do it for me.
Tony Romo is the leader of this team and he has been seriously injured the past two years thanks to a crappy OL. Sure, the defense sucks, but the offensive line is downright
dangerous. I would only take Ingram if DeCastro is off the board and we’ve shored up
the line with quality FAs ($$$). Burfict is simply poison; why anyone would seriously consider drafting him is beyond me.
"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." - Henry Cabot Henhaus III
Romo didnt get injuried bc of crappy OL, it was due to a missed block by a crappy FB
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
no matter how good an OL the QB going to get hit & knocked down with the DLs in the NFL today.
a good DL can domiate a great OL no matter what. the 49ers have a top notch OL but it couldn’t stop the Giants DL. How did that great OL work out for the Saints when they faced a legit DL? or did you really believe Alex Smith jumped on the elite QBs train?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
You are correct about 2010, it was a missed assignment by the fullback...
But this year Romo sustained two injuries due to missed blocks by the line, one in the
SF game resulting in a fractured rib, and in the second Eagles game when he hit Babin’s
helmet with his throwing hand.
SF has a very tough front seven, yet most of the time Eli had a clean pocket and ample
time to find his receivers. Theirs is a top notch OL. So it works both ways.
We can’t fix both the middle of our OL (which is clearly a target of opposing defences)
and the defensive front seven in one draft. This is the reason I stated that I would consider
not taking DeCastro only if picked up a good C and/or G in FA. By all accounts DeCastro
is going to be a top G in this league. Are you so sure that Ingram is a 10+ sack guy?
"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." - Henry Cabot Henhaus III
by Superchicken on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
superchicken all QBs get dinged up or injuried so theres no sure fire way to protect them from defenses
this isnt the 90s & defensive players are bigger faster then ever. Romo didnt miss a game so how bad really was it? also Romo was playing more with a pain issue then a injury issue bc he was wrapped up in a vest.
Romo’s a tough QB & his ability to scramble should be utilized more IMO.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Not be a nit picker...
but Eli got killed back there last night. He got sacked 6 or 7 times. Their line is not top notch.
The Superbowl is played three times each year: the "real" one, and the two times we play the Philadelphia Eagles.
the Giants OL is pretty good but no OL can hold off pass rushers/defense for very long
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
depending on FA i think OLB, CB & S are all major needs over a Guard
finding a Center would be my biggest need on the OL & i really think that position will be filled in FA..
if Dallas/Callahan/Garrett cant find 2 starting guards out of Kosier, Costa, Nagy, Arkin or Killer K then thats pretty sad.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
you could say the same
about the Center position…remember Nagy was ahead of Konz untill his Accident at Wisconsin….
and I bet that Callahan sees a slight resemblance to Nick Mangold in Kowalski:
MAngold:
Height: 6035
Weight: 300
40 Yrd Dash: 5.05
20 Yrd Dash: 2.95
10 Yrd Dash: 1.72
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 27 1/2
Broad Jump: 08’08"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
3-Cone Drill: 7.48
Kowalski:
Height: 6032
Weight: 300
40 Yrd Dash: 5.04
20 Yrd Dash: 2.91
10 Yrd Dash: 1.71
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 27 1/2
Broad Jump: 08’04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.56
3-Cone Drill: 7.15
Not saying that Kowalski is the next Nick Mangold…but the similarities are interesting…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 23, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I am a fan of Killer K
I feel like he can pan out and didn’t really make me uncomfortable during his small stints during the season
by CowboyWay on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have no problem promoting Kowalski
its Costa that is the problem
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I definately think K was more comfortable at center and when he was in the game the line seemed to be more stable up the gut compared to when Costa was in...
Costa will prob end up being the swing G/C for awhile unless he has a REALLY good offseason or Callahan works some miracles….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
read some post in the past that said Costa did very good at Guard in the past.
dunno if it was training camp or what but he has some skill to play on that OL
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
It was in the middle of his rookie year, he was tossed in starting for a game when someone was hurt.
He wasn’t horrible, but he did give up 1 or 2 sacks in 2 games.
+1
thx for jogging my mind & it was Brooddus that said Costa would make a better Guard then Center
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Ehhh...
I have a feeling that that’s a little bit of the “Grass is always greener,” Costa showed some improvement over the last few games, and it’s not like Kowalski has this great pedigree.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
i completely agree they need a Center & i like Kowalski or a FA to fill that role.
i just think between Costa, Kosier, Arkin, Nagy & a 2nd tier FA they should be in more then average shape compared to that defense but its just my opinion.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
And none make me feel comfortable
With out addressing the interior line via draft or FA get use to seeing Romo running around trying to pull magic out of his but again. Would be a huge mistake to ignore the interior line and go with a 7th rounder, an old Kosier injury prone, Arkin who couldn’t beat out a 7th rounder, and a terrible center in Costa
by CowboyWay on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
why is everyone still beating up on Arkin
he was drafted for his potential to start down the road….the staff all said as much…he had a fourth round talent but came from small school with no offseason……Nagy came from a big time program that knows how to produce offensive linemen ….only reason why Nagy was drafted in 7th and not earlier is due to his scooter injury……Arkin will be fine….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
The first day of the Draft hinges heavily on
CARL NICKS.
With that acquisition there would be no need to take Decastro at 14 instead addressing the front 7 or Secondary.
W/O Nicks its a no brainer you take Decastro
by CowboyWay on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions
A friend of mine is in real estate in Carmel, CA....
and she is working with Nicks on renting a home in that area…I am really hoping that he doesn’t sign with the Niners…i heard rumors that they are interested in him the same as Dallas is…
by TheCowboyFan on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Nicks is from San Fransico and does he off season workouts and conditioning up there to be close to his family
He rents a house every year up there.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Nice to know
thanks for the knowledge
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
Callhan comfirmed he loved Nicks & valued the expeience to go with the young guys
i posted it above in block quotes
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Nicks actualy grew up hating the Niners
He has been very public about being a lifelong Cowboys fan
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm starting to get the feeling Dallas might target a top Guard in FA
they could still draft a center or find one in FA (Meyers from the Texans so the Redksins dont take him lol) if they think Killer K or Costa wont get the job done
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
lets hope he gives us a lifelong desire discount instead of using our name to up the price...
not like that hasn’t been done before….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
its always going to used to up prices but it doesnt mean Nicks is there only target.
i’d be lying is i said i think its Nicks bc no one knows but does seem like Callahan liked his formula with the jets when they added Alan Fanica in FA to help the young players like Fergeson & Mangold.
LG seems like the position they want to upgrade & if Killer K isnt the answer then drafting or signing a FA center would make a lot of sense.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
just a guess given the current roster...
Costa, Nagy, and Kowalski are similar in position ability….hopefully the coaching staff will allow them to fight openly for the starting spots at C or G…Arkin might be one more year away…still think he is the heir apparent to Kosier…If they left Kosier walk this year then he might get his chance sooner rather than later..
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
OL typically bloom in their 3rd year.
Next year is Costa’s 3rd, 2nd for the rest of the young guys.
Costa is a grinder & although he doesn't have the arm length/measurables he gets the job done
he’s the type of player where his hustle, football IQ & other tributes are more important then his measurables (mainly arm length)
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Costa has outstanding measurables, comparable to a running back...
It is his arm length that gives him so much problems. I remember seeing reports out of camp that they were calling him the ’fridge cuz he looked like a refrigerator with with arms.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 23, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Do the Niners even need a guard?
They already have a very good line. I mean.. I’m not sure they really need an upgrade..do they?
by BrickTop on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
nope there OL is rock solid but with limited options at QB in FA/Draft it wouldnt shock me
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I think what they want on offense
is some receivers.
by BrickTop on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh jeez....
Every time there’s a top notch FA in any sport the housing rumors pop up. It is the single most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Absolutely no offense intended, and you may well be right, but it really means nothing.
If anybody here follows the NHL (dont make fun of me) and know the name Ilya Kovalchuk, they had that guy buying a house in every possible city where there was a team that showed the slightest interest. My team got him, and it turned out he just kept his old house across the country. It was all bogus just for bloggers to get a rise out of people and get their hopes up.
depending on free agency...
If we get o-line help in FA, I like Brockers or Kirkpatrick (if he falls and we do not get any help at DB in FA, and possibly even if we do get a DB in FA), if not I like O-line in the first. Side note: I find myself thinking what if (and bear with me I don’t know draft pick values) instead of drafting an injured first round projection in the second as we have done in the past, we had traded that pick to a team for their following years 1 round pick. IDK maybe just me but in the second round I am still looking for someone who can come in a make some sort of impact in their first year, so if we didn’t like anyone else in the second round that could come in a make that impact why not trade away for future picks. What say you?
I hear you but (not that i'm not happy with Sean Lee or Bruce Carter) but
Maybe I wasn’t clear, I’m not talking about trading our future first rounder. What I’m saying is in cases like Carter for instance, instead of picking him up last year and barely contributing and if they felt there wasn’t any other talent who could come in and make a impact at there selection, then to possibly trade our 2nd round (2011) for a 2012 first round. We would be ex-carter right now (who is still an unknown) and have an additional mid to late first round pick this year.
Takes 2 to tango....
GMs knew the rookie cap was coming.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
What GM
would trade next years first for a second this year? I dont see the logic there. That pick could be a top 5 pick if that team bombs the year.
the thing is
that is how “trade value works”
any future pick is worth ~ one round less, at the top of the round for each future year; ie
any 2013 1st round draft pick=2012 33rd pick
any 2014 1st rounder= 2012 65th pick
of course these are rough estimates, as the final value is determined by the acquiring team
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think you said it right, it depends on free agency.
But…..Brokers is a Marcus Spears clone. Go look at tape of him at LSU. We dont need another Lineman who relies on one move to get to QB’s.
And please, Kirpatrick is so dumb he got in trouble with the law a few weeks before one of the biggest days of his life. You want that guy?? He doesnt sound very smart to me. Plus the knock on him is that he has problems covering fast WR. Thats not a good sign.
You need to read
the full report on Kirpatrick. Evidently the pot was found in a car he was a passenger in. Supposedly the driver admitted it was his. Bail of $120 makes me think it’s not that big of a deal.
driver who is not going to be signing a multimillion dollar contract soon admits it was his over Dre...
still show horrible judgement even if it wasn’t his…..the company he keeps will serve as much of a detriment as what he himself does….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Vontaze Burfict
is not coming to Dallas…the kid is lazy. I guarantee JG will never touch him. So that disqualifies those that selected him. Alameda Ta’amu in the 4th round? I hope you are kidding! I don’t like any of these drafts honestly.
Probably too late...
He’s a name that people are familiar with. Draft coverage in November always turns up some names that are overrated.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Did you even read the post?
This wasn’t exactly a study in realism or what we actually thought would happen.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 23, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not high on Konz after reading about him on the CBS board....
injury prone and from reading the scouting reports Ben Jones from Georgia seemed the better prospect…..
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions
still liike my mock better
14 *Peter Konz C Wisconsin
45 *Jonathan Massaquoi OLB Troy
82 Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
113 Brandon Brooks OG Miami (Ohio)
144 Kevin Koger TE Michigan
175 Derek Wolfe DE Cincinnati
213 Dominique Hamilton NT Missouri
but actually in retrospect
I bet these mock drafts will look much better than what comes out of the war room….Here`s a thought…how can we get into the war room? or more importantly keep Jerry out?
Maybe Jerruh will get a flat tire
and we’ll have a great draft.
The Superbowl is played three times each year: the "real" one, and the two times we play the Philadelphia Eagles.
Love your 5th RD pick
Koger can ball.
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
I like Konz
but I would rather pick up a C in FA…preferably Chris Myers from the Texans. I love Massaquoi though. Vinney Brown from Marshall may be a late® round gem.
isn't Myers 30 years old?
if you are going to sign a FA and spend the money make sure you are going to be able to get your money’s worth from him….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Centers can play...
up until their late 30s. James Donaldson was 38 when he played C for the Cowboys. If you can get 5 years out of him…that would be a great bargain.
I think you ment Ray Donaldson
james Donaldson was a big goofy center that played in the NBA.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
You're aging yourself..James Donaldson played center for the Mavs in the 80s and early 90s
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Well, I don't think you'd throw big money at Meyers
Reasonable 4 year deal and it’s a good option. Jeff Saturday played at a high level for a number of years in his 30s.
For those of you saying that interior line isn't a need
because of a greater need on defense, or that the solution is already in house… I don’t think you’re understanding the grades that DeCastro is getting by scouts.
In many gradings, he’s in the top 3 or 4 talents coming out. But he’s a guard so he’ll fall in the draft order. He could be a once in a decade sort of talent. He’s grading out as the best interior lineman prospect in years.
This makes roster maneuvering regarding 2nd and 3rd year guard/centers’ contracts and experience irrelevant. He’s as close to “sure thing” as it gets. Ingram is the opposite of that… he’s boom or bust and would be learning a new position, and, his ceiling is only going to be the equal of DeCastro’s, yet scouts feel that DeCastro would be at that ceiling for his career with a far higher degree of certainty than all but a few other players in the draft.
DeCastro comes in and plays immediately and opens the window for Romo and Super Bowls a bit wider. Ingram comes in and learns the position for two years in spot duty while the window closes on aging Romo.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
I think DeCastro's the guy most people want
Definitely the guy I want.
by Omar Little on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I want DeCastro as well. I just didn't like the value in trading up for him
less picks to work with later on.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didnt' realize he was ranked so high on CBS' board
:(
I think I’d go Konz if DeCastro is gone.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
If he checks medically, I'd support it.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
He dislocated his ankle and was suppose to see an orthopedic sourgeon in North Carolina for evaluaton. Think the surgen's name was Anderson?
Konz says he’s fully recovered, but could find no report re what the surgeon thought. Other than the ankle dislocation, which was complete and not reduced for 2 hours, he’s suffered with high ankle sprains, but nothing else.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Blood clots in his lungs are what I am talking about.
Saw action in 10 games in ’09, starting nine straight contests before blood clots were discovered in his lungs and he missed the last two games. Was still on blood thinning medication during ’10 spring practice and he was not allowed to participate.
We'll have to trust the NFL's army of doctors on this one...
Not saying that he can’t blow up but if doctors clear him, who am I to disagree with them?
That is why I said I am wary of him.
I am not interesting in using a 1st rounder on him, even in a mock until medical reports come back and say if he is ok or not.
Yeah, I mean he played quite a bit, no?
I’d assume he’s okay. If he has a great work out and gets back sterling medical reports, he might move up near DeCastro. Centers are becoming almost as valuable as Tackles, the problem is that they usually don’t feature elite prospects at the position.
by Omar Little on Jan 24, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
WB on Konz after watching him in person all week for the Shrine game.
When I watch more of him, I don’t see quite the athleticism I want as a pass protector. I think he’s a good pass protector and I moved him down a little. 8.0 is almost an elite grade and I don’t think Konz is in that range, so I moved him down.
Alex Mack got a 7.0 from me and he’s a good NFL center and I think Konz can be too. I just don’t think he can come in and play at a potential Pro Bowl level from day one.
http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/01/cowboys-draft-notes-peter-konz-and-some.html
If the Cowboys really want an OG in the 1st round and Decastro's gone
trade back 4-5 spots and get Cody Glenn. I understand there has to be 2 to tango, but Glenn seems to be rated almost as high as DeCastro
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Negative Ghostrider
The ONLY and I do mean the ONLY reason to go OG in the 1st round is for DeCastro. He alone is receiving ratings and comparisons to Steve Hutchinson and Larry Allen. He alone is essentially being touted as the Lebron James of OGs for this generation. He alone would be the reason for Dallas foregoing addressing more pressing needs (defense); because his potential for greatness is just too good to pass up. If DeCastro is off the board, then press w/ drafting defense.
The next best C or OG (Konz, Glenn, Osemele) aren’t projected to be in DeCastro’s class.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
oh - i thought our problem was that we had too many Lebron James' on this team....
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
The problem is not enough.
If you had a LeBron James at Guard, Center, Defensive End, Free Safety, and instead of Newman they’d be 19-0.
i like to have L.James at TE lol
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Oh, one of those can't miss O-lineman like Tony Mandarich.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Can you tell a bust?
I can’t. I’ll be honest – Ryan Leaf looked just about as good to Manning to me (and the Chargers). Tony Mandarich, Steve Entmann and many others were supposed to be elite stars but weren’t.
Can you fault the team that drafted them though? Drafting a guy who’s supposed to be good but is a bust is one thing. Drafting a guy like JaMarcus Russell 1st overall (who everyone knew wasn’t worthy of that pick) and he’s a bust is another.
If we get DeCastro and he’s NOT the next Larry Allen, I project he’ll still be better than any OG or C on the team for the next 7-10 years.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Oh stop being dumb.
Tony Romo was undrafted so lets not drat any highly touted prospect ever, because they might bust!
What the fu*k does Romo have to do with drafting an OG.
He was touting DeCastro like he’s the next coming of Larry Allen. In case you didn’t know it, there’s no sure things in the NFL draft.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
+1
i think the bust rate is due to scouts looking more at measurables then football skills. no way in heck did anyone really believe J.Russel (except AL, RIP) would translate into the 1st overall pick.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I think generally speaking
if most everyone agrees that a player SHOULD be good (GMs, Scouts, media, fans, etc) it’s a smart pick whether or not he busts. Every team has busts.
If you generally hit on 2-3 guys in the draft every year the franchise will survive a bust fairly easily. Its when you bust on a guy that you take a desperate chance on is when teams run into problems.
Yes, you win the "cooler heads" award of the day!
Players bust, it happens. If everyone’s high on a guy and he has great game tape, good workouts, a great attitude, and good medicals and still can’t hack it in the NFL or is a JAG-type instead of elite? Well, you win some and you lose some. It’s part of the game. Doesn’t make it a bad pick.
Is it the Lebron James of OG's
or is he the Egg McMuffin of OG’s?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha noway you pulled the egg mcmuffin comparisons out on the OGs
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
He's the LBJ eating an Egg McMuffin of OGs
I have no idea if he’ll live up to it but I would be my house that his career will be better than Kosier or Holland or Arkin or Nagy.
No one seems to be doubting all the scouts on what they say about Luck. He’s going #1 to a team that has had a HoF QB there for years…perhaps the scouts do know a lil something. And those same scouts are saying DeCastro is one of the best OG prospects to come along in a long time.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Screw the Egg McMuffin. DeCastro is the Sausage McMuffin of OGs
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
More like Hutchenson than Larry Allen. Larry Allen could play tackle
The ONLY and I do mean the ONLY reason to go OG in the 1st round is for DeCastro
DeCastro as BPA not cause we need offensive lineman
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 23, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Never ever draft purely BPA
ALWAYS draft BPA at a position of need. OG is a need for this team.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
if the guy isn’t special you never take an OG high..
and BPA is the way to go
It is the way to cut down on JAGs
JAGS are just so harmful to a franchise.
If have a lot of JAGS you go 8-8 which means you lose out on access to the top players without being to do damage in the playoffs.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 23, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I like DeCastro, and I think he can be special, but I think it is getting a bit out of hand.
Once in a lifetime, once in a decade? I haven’t seen that anywhere else but on this board.
I have seen it said by a scout that he is the better than any G last year. Of course if the decade is only in it’s 2nd year, than the G of the decade might be accurate.
You don't think they should prepare a place in the HoF yet?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Ok, what does a HoF OG look like
was anyone stating Larry Allen was destined to be a 9 time pro bowler? How about Hutchinson? They all said they were good and they just happened to be elite…
Everyone is quick to dismiss the reports but no one seems to know how to judge whether an OG projects to be elite or not. We can all say Luck will be elite. Dez Bryant was supposed to be an elite prospect when he was about to be drafted.
If I hear a scout write down in black and white that DeCastro could quite possibly be a special talent and he shows elite skills, why in the world would I think otherwise? Because of a poster on BTB?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Try rereading what I said?
I said I think he can be special.
However I am not getting a HOF bust ready for any rookie before a draft even happens. And BTW, that includes Luck, who I think will be really good.
Justa few comments,
I’ve seen in print that he’s the safest pick in the draft and when various ranking services place him in the top 10 (I’ve seen as high as #2), that’s great and the fact that he’s a guard makes the rankings even more impessive. I live in the Bay Area and watched many Stanford games and DeCastro can ball. He’s got a mean streak and never let’s up. Now you may criticize the Pack 10 defenses as nothing compared to the SEC, but he was great against SC and their D is never too shabby.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Like I said, I think he will be special.
But I also think that the descriptions of him are getting a bit overboard at times.
Well look at other people's draft boards...
3rd on Bunting’s big board, top 15 on both McShay’s and Kiper’s, and 11th on CBS’. He plays guard which is kind of second class citizen status in the draft, so for him to be viewed as a lock in the top 15 that’s pretty damn special. He’s got that type of potential to be one of the best at his position all time and the best at his position year in and year out. Why else do you think people want him at 14?
No one’s saying he’s a lock, but he’s as close as they get. Name three analysts that don’t describe him as a rare talent, or anyone who doesn’t think that he’s one of the best guard prospects in years.
Ok, I will try 1 more time.
I think DeCastro is special and will be very good, ok? However I also think the hype machine is getting out of hand on him.
This is how it started.
you’ll see a comment by Wes this morning that Stanford guard David DeCastro, who declared for the 2012 draft late last week, is the best offensive line prospect he’s graded since Maurkice Pouncey.
The first Pouncey twin was only drafted year before last. So that comparison means he is better than any G that came out last year. Now look at it today.
He could be a once in a decade sort of talent. He’s grading out as the best interior lineman prospect in years.
See how it is growing?
Another example, someone compared him to Hutchinson a few weeks ago. Then a couple weeks ago someone started comparing him to Larry Allen. Now you see that all the time, where does it go next?
by Rena on Jan 23, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well there's a difference.
If you think the hype’s getting larger, I think it’s because that Draftnicks and teams are getting more comfortable drafting Guards higher, provided they are elite. Hutchinson was always the comp that I saw in him. Mike Iupati was probably a better comp than Maurkice Pouncey. Pouncey’s a little overrated and a Center, so not the greatest comp. Iupati was the better fit, he was compared to Steve Hutchinson as in the type of ceiling that he can provide. If you’ve seen Mike Iupati lately, he’s getting there. Usually guards are second class citizens on draft day, but that’s changing. Hell, would you have minded trading up for Mike Iupati at this point?
I don’t think they’re saying that “he’s the next Larry Allen,” as someone that is pulling the DeCastro bandwagon and frequently makes the Larry Allen comp…it’s not saying that that is the type of player he is or that’s what I expect his career to look at, that’s the type of value that he can provide. Steve Hutchinson or Allen Faneca of yesteryear, Carl Nicks today, or Larry Allen for those of us who are really old. That’s the type of value I think he’s capable of providing in his peak years.
I mean lets be honest, most draftnicks’ boards get more realistic and more accurate than they were in November. Some guys get a jump, because they get a closer look, and some guys get a dock because of that same reason. Lets be honest, Jonathan Martin and Andrew Luck were what people were watching when they graded Stanford. They saw DeCastro, but they probably didn’t give him the full and through look that they give most players. Grading guards probably wasn’t too high on his list. Guys like Quinton Coples, RG3, Matt Kalil, Trent Richardson, Justin Blackmon, and Morris Claiborne probably received far more looks than DeCastro ever did during the College Football season. They’re far sexier names and play more “impact” positions. I mean think about it, you’re Wes Bunting or Todd McShay, you grade draft prospects for a living and publish articles…what do you think is a better use of your time? A deeper look at the new hotshot on the block in RG3 or looking at David DeCastro? What do you think people would rather read? The jobs of McShay, Kiper, Mayock, etc. are far different than the jobs of those that work at Valley Ranch or any other NFL FO. You’ll see other guys shoot up boards that played a duller position that end up getting mention in the top 20 that you thought was a 2nd or a 3rd two weeks ago. It’s the nature of the way the scouting press works.
As to the hype getting out of hand? I disagree, perhaps you’re misinterpreting it or the messengers of the hype aren’t being as clear as they should be.
by Omar Little on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
unless the guy is really special no how no way do you take a guard in the first.
If DeCastro is plug – play- probowl year in a year out , then you take him. If he isn’t then you pass on him.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
by the looks of the mocks on this board Decastro is least wanted 1st rounder
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
He isn't necessarily worth trading up for. Based on the rules of the mock, even trading up to 13 was annoying enough.
In the actual draft, theres a good chance DeCastro will simply fall to us
a lot depends on combine and FA....
if we miss on a Nicks on FA then decastro becomes a priority….only problem is how many other teams might value him before we get a chance to get him….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
i dont read into mocks & skipped over the part about the cbs mock being used
i just dont see Dallas taking a rookie Guard to sure up the OL with so many other bigger needs on defense. it way cheaper to sign a good guard then a good pass rusher or good CB so i think the OL will be addressed in FA to go along with all the young players they have draft picks or time invested in
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
i think realistically the value of the draft this year is in the late first to second round......
precombine numbers are not indicative of a deep draft….only 21 sure first round picks as graded by CBS…..after you get past the top 10-12 players it dries up pretty quick….there are going to be a lot of reaches late first round becuz of shallow depth at valued positions…if a team jumps over us to nab DeCastro I very well could see us trading down to gather more early to mid round picks…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
well that depends on your Definintion
of “1st round Talent” TB I posted this awhile back:
I was Looking around NFLDraftScout.com….as they have all the positions ranked individually….Here is what I found out:
According to Draft Scout
There are about 21 Players that are "solid 1st round Talent" and 17 that are "borderline 1st rounders" Here is the Breakdown by position(borderline 1st ):
SS-1(0)
FS-0(0)
CB-3(1)
OLB-2(1)
ILB-1(1)
DT-2(3)
DE-2(2)
OG-1(1)
0T-3(1)
C-1(0)
WR-2(2)
TE-0(2)
RB-1(1)
QB-2(2)
If this is Correct then There should be First round talent untill ~ pick #38… just something to keep in mind
Now I haven’t done a comparison against previous years but up to 38(if you include the Borderline guys) potential first rounders is pretty good I think
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 23, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
That's early prognostication by draft scout.
It doesn’t represent how players are actually graded by teams. In fact usually there are only 20 to 25 players that get first round grades. Raf backs this up and OCC did a great post on it a couple years ago.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thanks for the numbers...
combine can’t get here fast enough
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't want to waste a couple picks to trade up for him.
Especially when I think we could be better served to sign a vet C first. I believe that with a good solid vet C that the G’s we already have will be a lot stronger.
IMO he would be a luxury pick. Really nice to have, but IMO we need D first.
+1,000,000,000
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
would like the pick
I`m going Konz and Brooks in my mock which I think would also work but won`t cry if DeCastro is the pick.
Congrats to all
The Mockers who entered the contest, and congrats to those whose picks are being voted on. If any of these mock drafts came true, I’d be extatic. Oh and btw, Burfict is great 1st Rd value in the 3rd Rd. Watch tape of him if you’ve never seen him. He’s a heat seaking missile that this defense needs. Also, read up about Miami of Ohio G Brandon Brooks, this guy will be a riser on the Big Boards of every draft “expert”.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions
i loved your mock until K.Moore but to be honest its no big deal if the other picks come through
i voted for Blue Devil but only bc we agree on a lot of things but Broyles would really be a great pick up if they couldn’t resign Robinsion or just wanted to save the $ for another position in FA.
i believe Broyles could step right in & play the slot but i’d get a little nrevous if Dez or Austin were injuried for more then a game. this offense needs WRs, TEs & RBs
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Fair enough
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Totally unrealistic and fool-hardy but if I could draft whoever I wanted I would pick
Morris Claiborne CB
Dre Kirkpatrick CB
Alfonzo Dennard CB
Janoris Jenkins Cb
Stephon Gilmore CB
Chase Minnifield CB
Coty Sensabaugh CB
One of them has to pan out for us.
(FYI I blatantly disregarded all the rules and our pick positions)
Dez and Austin and Robinson will light up the scoreboard!!
Jerome henderson's dream draft
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
you missed the kid at VT, J,Hosley
honestly after Gilmore in the 2nd i’d take Hosley in the 3rd asap. the kid would own the slot, has great ball skills & can used in the return game. he’s shifty, fast & can jump out of his shoes.
i bet he climbs the board for a team that needs a slot CB right away
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Sorry a little off topic ... but Newton is going to the ProBowl..
D-Ware= sack master ALL PRO OLB
#1 pass rusher in the NFL
0.5 away from two 20 sack seasons.
by salas88 on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
classic case of over rated player IMO.
does anyone really think this kids better then P.Manning? i think this season was a lot of smoke & mirrors in Carolina but i’ve been wrong before so
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
i was referring to Newton breaking Mannings rookie record
sorry for not explaining myself better
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Ahh, ok, my mistake. And I would want to wait a couple more years to judge that one.
I doubt he comes up to Manning, but stranger things have happened.
I don't think people think he's better than Manning...
A year ago people were talking about Manning maybe being the greatest player ever. Just because Newton broke his record in a pass happy year doesn’t mean that people think he’s better than Manning, better rookie year than Manning? Ehhh…perhaps (I still disagree, but willing to entertain the thought), but does that mean he’s better than Manning? Hells to the no. I think he’ll be pretty damn awesome, but I haven’t heard anyone say better than Peyton.
Its easy!
Just comapre each year from rookle to 2nd year and so forth.
Rookie Year = Newton in a LANDSLIDE.
Year 2 = pending.
so far its 1 to 0. Dont sleep on Newton. There were a lot of Naysayers on draft day that said he cant play a pro style offense. He proved you guys wrong and he did better than any other rookie has. Now its like smoke and mirrors huh??? Too funny
I loved all of the mocks, good job by everyone
but one thing, I just dont see Burfict being there in the 3rd
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
Trade Witten.
Don’t get me wrong I like him, but I think he’s the only one on the team they can trade that has value and that they can live without. This team has a lot of needs and I think it would be the right time to do it (if there are suitors willing to give us a good offer) plus we have good players at our skill positions to make up for it. Yes he’s an all pro, but he’s not getting any younger although still young enough to garner some good picks. Also IMO I think this organization tends to hang on to players too long and then release them for nothing or release them and take a cap hit. And that particular habit has hurt us bad. And rec to everyone on BTB, found this site about a year ago and you guys always have insightful things to say, so I decided yesterday to start posting.
by DCB* on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
kudos for you for starting to post.....
but to start off by recommending that we trade Witten is not the best way to say hello…..lol…welcome to the board and stick by your opinions no matter what others say….btw if you say trade Witten again I will hunt you down and paint you in latex paint, Redskin colors…..
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Every time somebody brings up Joe Louis, somebody else gotta bring
Rocky Marciano out they ass…
Everytime someone feels as if a team can’t win the SB in the next 3 years, they automatically think the best way to get ahead sooner is to trade the few elite pieces they have. let me explain why this is not a good strategy.
ELITE players ARE the team. They are. Most of they guys in the NFL are average to solid – let’s say if we graded them on a scale of 50-100, they’d be graded 76-85. That is 60% of the NFL. The other 40% is either very good or very bad. Of those very good players, they are what makes the NFL what it is. We all go to watch Ware get sacks and Romo lead his team down the field by passing to Austin and Witten and Bryant. We want to see the CBs make INTs and the safeties make big bone jarring hits. The stars of the NFL (or any league for that matter) are what the coaches use to make plays happen and to win. The Colts and Pats and Packers are passing teams. Why? Because of Manning, Brady and Rogers. The Ravens and Steelers are defensive minded teams. Why? Because of Ngata, Suggs, Lewis, Reed, Harrison and Polomalu.
Coaches base their game plans around their start players – hoping that everyone else does their part so that the star player can go make a play. That IS the NFL.
So when you trade these pieces away, trying to inject youth into your team, they lack leadership and example. They don’t have some older/seasoned guy to ask questions of. They cant go out on the practice field, do something incorrectly and have a peer (not a coach but someone who’s also in the trenches and understands the dynamic parts of the game) explain the correct way.
Each SB team is a combination of older and younger players. Those older players may not contribute as much on the field, but are very effective in the film room, during practice and on the sidelines during game day. And, when you have a talent like Witten, he can make Phillips and Romo and Dez and all the other receivers better. He’s not that expensive and he’s arguably the best all around TE in the league.
You just don’t trade a guy like that.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
You make some very good points,
but with all do respect you may have missed mine: “I like him, but I think he’s the only one on the team they can trade that has value and that they can live without” and “looking at all the needs of this team and then said to myself ,all personal stuff aside, who could be traded that has a high enough value to garner some good picks to help us fill some areas of need and also not be a catastrophic loss. I love his work ethic and the type of person and player he is, but i do not think we would be in last place next year without him.” I do not think that he would ever be traded but if the offer is good enough it’s definitely worth considering, I do believe we have other veterans that are capable of leading this team and helping the young incumbents learn to be a professional, but at some point it is up to the individual if they want to strive for greatness, that can not be taught nor handed down or passed along. And do to the fact that he is 30 (not too old, but no longer young) and couple that with some of the talent we will still have on the field it could be something worth looking into or consider if the opportunity were to present itself. Sorry if I hit a sore topic for you Tyrone, but this is my opinion and thank you for discussing your side with me.
you got to make a decision if the older elite players are enough to get you to the Superbowl. .
Jimmy Johnson traded away lots of players with something left for anything he could get.
Everson Walls , Steve DeOssie , Eugene Lockhart .
If this is not the case then you trade them away. The goal is to win the Superbowl not to go 10-6.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 23, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
DCB, JS, I got your point(s)
but Everson Walls was NOT part of the team identity. Neither were DeOssie and Lockhart.
And, if you really want to look at trade value, Romo has more than Witten. And Ware has more than both of them. Why is Witten someone the team can live without but not the other two? Romo would certainly be less productive w/o Witten.
And of Witten’s value – I doubt very seriously he’d garner an early 1st round pick. At his age, with his contract but more importantly at the position he plays, he’s a late 1st round or early 2nd round pick (most top TEs are drafted then).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
See I disagree with this statement
Romo would certainly be less productive w/o Witten.
Romo just had his best year to date, yet Witten had what many would consider “a Down year”
the reason(IMO) was Robinson. with Robinson on Board you don’t need an All world TE(see Giants) to have a productive Offense….and I would argue that Witten, as great as he is, is actually holding the Offense back due to his lack of athleticism. Think of all the deep routes that Witten has, that take forever to run because Witten lacks deep speed(ran a reported 4.6 40)
Now I love Witten, and wouldn’t mind seeing him retire a Cowboy. But if you get a good Offer for him, you really need to take it.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Why is it BS Dire?
I’m not saying let’s trade Romo or D.Ware and draft some rookie to replace them. Am looking at all the needs of this team and then said to myself ,all personal stuff aside, who could be traded that has a high enough value to garner some good picks to help us fill some areas of need and also not be a catastrophic loss. I love his work ethic and the type of person and player he is, but i do not think we would be in last place next year without him.
I just think you may under estimate what he means to this team
and to Romo. You also have to consider what he brings to the locker room as well. We need more players like him. He’s not going to bring a 1st round pick. Plus, you would only be creating another need. You just don’t replace guys like him with a guy like John Phillips.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because it's a moot point.
What do you think Witten brings in trade at his age? A 3rd at best, he’s worth more to the Cowboys than he’s worth on the trade market. This comes up all the time, trade Romo, Ware, Austin, Free, Witten and so on.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
I understand where you are coming from.
If it is as you say and he is worth only a 3rd than absolutely not I agree. I also understand that it might sound outrageous to some, but I believe we can be successful without him. I also believe that as an organization Dallas tends to hang on to players for far too long and then not get anything for them (Choice who was never gonna get a chance here could’ve been traded 2yrs ago after he finished the season strong, Newman; look where we are with him). Bottom line the NFL and the Dallas cowboys are a business and personal feelings have to be set aside. At 30 yrs old I believe he would still be intriguing enough to another team to give us more than a 3rd round and IMO he would be expendable and i’m not saying that we can easily replace his production with another tight end, but we can between the receiving corp and RB’s. Bottom line I think we can still be very competitive without him that’s all and if a good offer is available at least have the door open for discussion. Maybe I should have titled the post differently. Thanks
You must realize draft choices are coveted much more after the labor agreement.
Vets are so much more expensive than draft choices. The days of freely trading Draft choices for vets ‘except QBs" are all but over. I think we’d be lucky to get a 3rd for an aging TE.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
well - since u asked....
Tony Gonzalez was 33 when he was traded for a 2nd….
Witten will only be 30 by the start of next season – and he’s signed to a 5-year extension….
i dont know….you may be able to get a first for him
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
Would be great.
high second is what I was thinking.
Welcome to the blog, DCB*
Usually we like to hand out welcome rec’s to our newbies, but will skip it that for trade Witten comment :-)
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't read his post. After seeing trade Witten, that was enough for me.
If I’d know he’s a new turd, I’d of been easy on him.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Easy would just be boring. I like a good discussion.
by DCB* on Jan 23, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
welcome aboard..... DCB
texas native here , where ya from ? )
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Normally i would give you a newbie rec
but I so can not get behind the idea of trading Witten, that I will just say welcome instead :-)
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
Yeah, well, I'm still giving you a newie rec.
Everybody is entitled to be wrong around here.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Thanks Tom
I’m right everyone else is just crazy…lol
You should make that your sig
I’m right everyone else is just crazy
:-)
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
I just might thanks for the suggestion,
now I need to figure out how to do it.
that is easy DCB
at the top of the page on the left hand side, you will see a block that has your Sceenname in it, in between the SBNation title block and the Your Blogs block. It is a link that takes you to your profile page.
Once there you will see your most recent Commnts, any blogs you have joined, and at the top, on the right hand side is where you will find the edit/manage options. You want Edit Profile
Once there look for the block that says “signature” next to it… any thing typed in that block will show up below your comments(it is the light grey print that shows up under people’s comments)
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
lol tom hahahaaaa
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
i was shocked to read Henderson thought a lot of the secondary would be back
One thing Henderson has done is start the process of reviewing film of his unit. He’s built small lockers in his office of every secondary player on the roster, and when they’re involved in a play he takes a clip of it and places it in the small stalls.
Henderson is trying to see if the secondary players are making plays and, if not, he’s trying to fix it. Henderson said he’s a coach that wants to give his players solutions to their problems if they have any.
“I do know there are a lot of guys who will play a lot of football for the Dallas Cowboys that are already on the roster,” Henderson said.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
It's a talent thing, not coaching IMO.
If they don’t get him better DBs, he’s doomed to fail.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
if TNEW is on this team in June....
i am through with football…..
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
i agree, thats why i was shocked he wanted a lot of secondary back in Dallas
i’m starting to hear excuses about Newmans poor play was bc of his injury (the one that didnt make the injury report). same was said about Sensabaughs foot injury & needing pain injection shots to make it through games. i will admitt it makes me feel better about Sensa but i cant buy JAGs like Ball, Walker, Church , McCray or even Newman helping this secondary. i also think this is a pretty obvious point they think the pass rush was more of a problem then the secondary & soon as they can get legit pressure its going magically fix the secondary
i totally agree they need to upgrade the talent at CB & FS.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Oh sh!t they're drinking the koolade at Vally Ranch.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
they do need to improve the talent in the secondary, however the Gmen are the prime example what a good pass rush can do for an average secondary...
I am of the mind that the secondary’s biggest problems were a lack of aggressiveness and poor technique/coaching. Lets give Henderson a chance to see if he can hit the reset button on some of the players we have. He did seem to do a pretty decent job in Cleveland this year with subpar talent to work with as well…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Chicago Bears are a good example as well
look at there pass D the year before they signed peppers, and the year after, a world of diff
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
by BigBad Joe on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
None of these
guys were ball hawks. You don’t get born round and die square. Henderson has to say what he said. Also, in the 3-4 the pass rush and the coverage are dependant upon each other and it’s the secondary that didn’t hold up it’s end.
i think your wrong
the pass rush didnt get there, well except Ware.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
The pass rush got
42 sacks and tied for 7th in the league. If you want more sacks from other players, you have to scheme for them and that requires coordination between the front seven and the secondary. The pass defense was 23rd in the league and 7th in the league in sacks. Sacks are sexy but turnovers are better.
At this point
I’d love it if we had what appears to be an average secondary. The Dallas Cowboys at the end of the season may have had the worst performing secondary in the league.
i'm fully confident that TNEW is not on this team...there's just no way
awful performance aside – his contract is just crazy….his number is $6mill next year
Giants simply arent any better than the Cowboys and thats simply a fact - Terry
The Giants are NOT better than the Cowboys...thats the reality - Terry
rumor i heard was J.Reeves was coming back to Dallas
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
or possibly D.Goodwrich could get work release?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
no no...Edwards....the guy that Deion said was the best corner we had on the roster at the time....
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Mario Edwards?
He was actually pretty solid.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
good zone player but out of his depth in man coverage
couldn’t latch on in Tampa after we failed to retain him as a free agent…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Hell, he doesn't even need work release
he’s already out of jail.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
oh he did get out?
i thought he got like 15 years
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Even if Newman was
injured he is not going to play up to his contract. He is the one player on the team that I can see really helping us by not being here next year. That way we can sign Carl Nicks and then let the draft come to us a little bit.
well they wouldn't pay Newman 7 million this season
they would cut him then resign him to less $ if he wanted to stay in dallas
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
there will be obvious cuts.....but he also is referring to anybody on the roster as far as the secondary goes....
TNew is going to be the biggest loss, don’t be surprised is Alan Ball is gone and Walker as well…that gives us 3 Corners to replace..1 will be drafted at least to replace Newman, Butler on the PS is a player that with a solid and full offseason will replace Ball, so to replace Walker will be either another teams castoff after training camp, or a decently priced older FA like Walker himself was last year….
At safety Henderson is leaning towards Elam as he is a personal favorite of his and again Ryan is comfortable with him, however the team will prob lean towards going younger and more athletic there. I think if Griffin is available from Tenn at a decent price that is the route we will go…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
that was quotes from the secondary coach so i doubt he has the green light to talk about other positions
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
i thought the same thing but i'm hearing the Brass in Dallas make excuses for his poor play
maybe they think someone want to trade or somehow he still has enough juice to play 1 more season but at this point i really dont know to give an opinion
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
the FA market for the secondary is extremely weak this year
last year was the year to get a corner with Joseph and he who shall not be named hitting FA….if they can get TNew to rework his contract they might just have to squeeze another year from him…don’t be surprised to maybe see him released and resigned ater camp if another team doesn’t pick him up….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
This is a big reason I took CB's in round 2 and round 3 in my mock.
We need 3 CB’s next year, and 2 good looking young guys would help us out going in that direction.
LOL...
I am as big as fan as any, and I’m not saying he needs to go. But if the offer is right I think we can live without him. He’s not a franchise QB (not as difficult to replace).
Senior Bowl Weigh In
Kellen Moore QB Boise (5’11/190). Just thought I would let people know his true size. Dude is tiny for an NFL QB prospect.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
Not a fan either
but I will be interested to see how he practices and plays during Senior Bowl week.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
is that like a drew brees clone?
dude is scary smart/accurate… def worth a waiver in the later rounds imo… of course, it doesn’t matter who we draft if we don’t sure up the middle of the line
by CowboysFan4Life on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Drew Brees clone is probably the best description anyone has given of him
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I was attacked for comparing him to Brees over the weekend
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I think Moore is a mirror image Brees coming out of college
Both of their scouting reports read identical. CBS had him rated way down. Some of the scouts I have spoken to that have watched him Boise in games and practice see him as a 2cnd round talent like Brees and believe he can have the same progresion in developmentt like Brees did.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I agree that Moore is a second RD talent
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Why did CBS rate him too low? did they do the same to Brees in the 2001 draft as well?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
how do you feel about Keenum?
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Keenum I watched some
He is more of later round development QB. Has some work to do on throwing motion. He is most effective in short yardage quick timing routes. Will need a couple of years to develop.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Moore doesnt have the arm strength to make all the throws
Brees had a way stronger frame & arm coming out of college. Brees main issue was height unlike Moore.
if height was the only question about Moore i’d have zero problems drafting him with the 3rd or 4th pick but he wont ever work in Garretts system.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
If we're going to take a QB, I'd like to look a Cousins from Mich St, if he's there in the 4th
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Cousins looked terrible today. He was all over
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I just watched Moore at the North's practice for the Senior Bowl
He made every throw on the route tree with great velocity and accuracy.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Look like things changed in the scrimage protion of practice with Cousins shinning and Moore struggling.
I had gone over to the south practice for scimage. Was just comparing notes with another scout.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Drew Brees didn't have the strongest arm either
In San Diego he didn’t have the arm strength he has today. Brees is a much better QB today, than he was at any point during his time with the Chargers. I’ve watched him play since he was in Purdue, I watched his Chargers career unfold before my eyes while I lived in SD. The Chargers ran him out of town because they thought he was too small and didn’t have a big arm for their offense.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I'm still on his bandwagon!
Take him in the 7th! He doesn’t have mcgee’s arms or legs, but his accuracy more than makes up for it!
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
I STILL believe in Tony Romo.- 10/2/11
I'm still in favor of Kellen Moore
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Dree Brees is short too
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
so was Doug Flutie....
worst thing the Bills ever did was going with Doug Johnson over Flutie for the playoff game they lost to Tenn…..go with the guy that got you there….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
think you meant Rob Johnson
I agree with your thought. But Rob actually played very well that game. But that was a very odd move by good ol Wade.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
think it was the shades and the leisure suit that tripped me up....
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 24, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Please no subpar corners
Unless there’s a Patrick Peterson or Darrel Revis, i.e. a 6ft plus 4.3 forty corner, somehow sitting there at 14 I’ll puke if we take another corner in the first round.
Im with you on this one.
This would be a waste. There is only one CB I would select. The second has way too many off the field issue and no its not Kirkpatrick (who I dont want cause he cannot cover fast receivers).
Hopefully Jerry can see that its pressure players who are making the difference in the NFL. There are so few Revis’ out there. Lets get the interior fixed on D by getting players who attack and true NT and Edge rusher who can actually get to the QB for a change. Look at all the problems the Giants are causing QB’s. You have to go West coast offense against them with 3 step timing passing. Not the 7 step drops. No way you can beat NY like that.
How Did Melvin Ingram End Up as the Pick?
I think it’s obvious folks just want Melvin Ingram at #14 because it’s the name they’ve heard parroted about the past few months.
David DeCastro > Melvin Ingram (all day, everyday and twice on Sundays)
And I like Ingram, but as comparative prospects, DeCastro is a much better prospect. Ingram is not this dynamic pass rushing threat he’s been made out to be by fans.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
hmm reading the rules didnt make him any smarter so leave it alone
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
You obviously voted for Ingram...
hurt feelings taste good…
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
You're obviously lost.........
Go home to your prick leader, JasonB. Oh yeah, he’s not a prick, a prick is part of a man.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Loool?
JasonB.????
Who? What? Swing-and-a-miss…
“Melvin Ingram!!! 4evers!!!”
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Castro was ranked 11th
Cowboys pick 14th so unless you traded up Castro couldn’t be the pick. Thats why they are talking about the rules.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 23, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I guess my firstname being Phillip wouldn’t factor into that equation…
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Senior Bowl Weigh In
Melvin Ingram (6’1/276)
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh that's not what I was exactly hoping for.
And I am a pretty big Ingram fan.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
He might just be that good of an athlete to do it at that size...
Or that good of a football player to make up for it.
Yeah I was just kind of hoping he would be in the 260s.
I like a lot about him but he has some fat on him that I think he could definitely lose. It would help his explosiveness for sure. Of course, he prolly wants to hedge his bets and look big enough to attract 4-3 teams as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah...
He seems like he might go anywhere from ten to thirty. I wouldn’t get too hung up on that either way, I’d wait for his Combine workouts before I go crazy on him either way. Loved his game tape, loved his interviews, and I think he can be a good player. Him being ten pounds heavier than I’d like isn’t going to make me think that he sucks.
I still have reservations about whether he’d be able to play the SLB, but if people are worried about him not working out if the Cowboys draft him? Meh…I’m on the DeCastro bandwagon and I don’t think I’ll get off until he’s ultimately drafted. That being said, I do recognize the urge to upgrade over Spencer and the other needs of this team. Of the “non-DeCastro yet realistic” options I’d probably go: Kirkpatrick, Ingram, and Konz. Granted it’s all fluid and can change, but either way if DeCastro gets taken by some rat fink team that insists on c-blocking the Cowboys I’m confident Ingram can be a good player for the Cowboys.
by Omar Little on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
I definitely agree it's a fluid situation at this point.
You can’t get too invested in picking one player this early on in the process. Just look at how guys like Von Miller and JJ Watt separated themselves in the final months leading up to the draft.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Aldon and Tron too, for that matter.
I recall being a lil bummed about “settling” for Tron around this time. Obviously I changed my mind between then and the draft.
Yeah you just can't too attached to a player this early on because so many things can change.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Or too down on a guy either
Dez was a RKG before wasn’t he? Maybe in some minds he still is but his teammates and coaching staff all seem to love him. Don’t get too down on a guy’s character, measurables, or select game footage.
i'm more concerned about his ability to rush the passer
the measurables are great but there worthless if all you get is Spencers production
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
the NFL is all about the QB so the answer is pass rushers?
i just had a vision that DWare might actually even more scary with someone opposite of him or even DEs/NTs getting pressure
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
any pressure beside Ware is good at this point
pressure up the middle is a must have & OLBs in a 3-4 must be able to get pressure.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Here's My Take...
If you sign OG Nicks as a FA…. Kirkpatrick or Brockers at #14
If you don’t sign Nicks, I’ll take David DeCastro at #14
*this is all based off a perfect world where these players would fall to us to even have a decision to make.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
from what I've heard Brockers is a Spears clone.....boom or bust pick....
A LOT of potential….but its a worry that he only has one year of playing to go by…..
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Too convienent of a comparison
I haven’t heard that at all. He’s vastly more disruptive than Spears ever was. I think some folks are trying to make the too easy comparison between the two because they played at the same school.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
no..just look at his numbers from only one year....
nothing special as far as production goes…not going to take away from his athletic ability but when you have only one year of playing time to go on and they dart to the draft it kinda makes you wonder if they are going to be Jamarcus Russell redux…..
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think it’s about projection with Brockers. The kid is coming out after his sophomore year. Most college players’ freshman seasons are a wash. Also, factor in the position he was playing is not typically a huge stat generator.
I do understand the worry though. It’s a vaild concern.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Wes Bunting of National Football Post...
said he thinks Brockers compares much more favorably to Marcel Darius than Spears, FWIW.
Also from Wes:
He thinks more highly of Brockers as a prospect this year than he did of JJ Watt last year.
I wouldn't touch this kid with a ten ft pole.
This kid has BUST written all over him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
honestly Roh
this is why I wait till the Combine is over before I start seriously looking a Prospects….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
I don't carw about Brockers' measureables.
I care that this kid didn’t have a productive similar to Spears, Tyson Jackson, or Glenn Dorsey. These guys are widly considered to be busts.
I care that the reason he’s chosing to leave early, after his sophmore playing season, is purely for money. Scouts told him he’s not a first rd lock prior to him declarimg for the draft.
I csre that Les Miles said he needed to come back to improve his stock.
I care that in his pres conference to declare for the draft he said that it won’t be abig jump from SEC to the NFL. He doesn’t understand the NFL chews up and spits out talented players every yr because they can’t adjust to the game, regardless of what conference/school they played for.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I wouldn’t touch this kid with a ten ft pole.
u wouldn’t take him in round two if he fell?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 AM CST up reply actions
EXACTLY.
He is. Go look at the tape of him(Spears) at LSU. Then watch Brockers. Same guy. And you already know what Spears provides…NOT MUCH. GO look at most of the highly drafted LSU DE’s? Who is tearing it up???? Ummmmmmm nobody. Stay clear of this dude unless you want another run stopper. We dont need that unless he is a ILB hard hitting smash mouth beast
I'm With Terry
I don’t like any of them either. Blue Eyed Devil comes as close as any of them to what I’d like to see; but that would be predicated upon them getting Landry or some other F/A help in the secondary. As to those who want to see them take DeCastro with the first pick all I can say is, take a look at three of the four teams that played this weekend. DEFENSE is STILL a priority; and unless they invest some picks in it we can look forward to MORE losing seasons! Lastly, what about the pass rusher from Troy that’s being touted as “the next D. Ware”?
GO COWBOYS! GET SOME BIG D! AH-OOO-AH!
Mossaquoi......going to have to see what the combine numbers are....
I’d go with him or Curry from Marshall instead of Ingram….possibly even Bruce Irvin but I have a feeling he’s going to be long gone by the time we pick in the second…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Curry has actually grown on me too.
I also like Irvin a lot, but I think he has the potential to be a scrub because he’s been used in such a one-dimensional fashion at WV.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
one year of organized football wasn't it?
and they jhust sent him after the QB..no coverage responsibilities or containment assignments….Vick would eat him alive…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
pass rush, pass rush, pass rush is the only answer to the QBs today
seriously Brady if you dont get pressure on brady, brees, rodgers or the mannings they’ll just burn you. the Jets have one of the best secondarys in the NFL & there nothing against the better teams bc they cant get pressure
if your going to play the 3-4 you need OLBs that can get pressure & its not flag for DEs/NTs getting sacks in the 3-4. just ask the 49ers, texans or even ravens
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
by DCNation73 on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed the two stats that matter most:
If you can play QB and hit the QB you’re in every game in this league. Both figure into what I think are the two most important stats in football, turnover margin, obviously, and third down percentage. Sustain drives on offense and get your defense off it as quickly as possible.
by Linebacker22 on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
redzone production is nice also
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I'd take it even one step further.
You have to get pressure while only rushing 3 or 4 guys. If you have to blitz to generate pressure, QBs can still tear you up. But if you can drop 7 guys and still expect pressure like the 49ers can, that is how you get an elite defense
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 23, 2012 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's why I want multiple pass rushers this year
I would love to get two OLB’s to rotate in and compete for playing time. Make these young guys earn their stripes. If we could end up with say, Vinny Curry, Cam Johnson and Derek Wolfe out of the early to middle rounds, as well as sign Jason Jones or another FA pass rusher, I would be happy. Get the DL and OLB rotation going and let these boys go non-stop and then get them out.
Hustle, hustle, hustle, up-tempo, smack em in the mouth defense. That’s what I want.
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM CST reply actions
Are you really having dancing girls on your show today?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
If Brockers is the pick, I might have to rethink my fandom for this team
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
dont jump off the bandwagon it could be worse
we could’ve traded that first pick for another WR or they could draft another Spencer or Spears type. wait for me!
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Brockers is Spears at worst, Tyson Jackson at best
Brockers lacks the production of other overrated LSU DLs while at LSU
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
i havent read up much on Brockers but i'm going to with all the comments about him
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
boom or bust.....ton of atheletic ability but hasn't played enough to showcase it or give himself a chance to grow as a player...
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Let someone else waste that pick on him
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I hope ppl understand
That these mocks were based off the rules OCC gave us. I’m all aboard the David DeCastro train at 14. If DeCastro happens to go before Dallas picks, I really want one of these guys: safety (Barron), DT (Poe), CB (Kirkpatrick or Jenkins), or pass rusher (Ingram).
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Leaning towards Poe
or that just may be his gravity pulling me that way :-) If DeCastro is there, i think we take him or trade back…….I would be ok with a trade back and Poe with some additional pick/s
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After further review
Poe is on the CBS big board at 28, right about where the Ravens are picking, LOL can anyone say “Quote the Raven, Nevermore”……….I crack myself up….
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"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
by BigBad Joe on Jan 23, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i think Barron is going to be a very good safety
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
My "Jay Ratliff" of this years draft is Matt Conrath, DT from UVA
Conrath has been a quality starter on the Cavalier DL for the past four years, consistently penetrating and producing. Conrath’s stats were 35 tackles, 7 TFLs, 3 sacks, and 4 pass defensed in 2008, 46/6/3/3 in 2009, 36/5.5/2.5/1 in 2010, and 66/12/3/3 during a strong senior campaign in 2011.
he’s compared to Calais Campbell of the Cardinals…….7th round flyer ala Sean Lissemore…depends on how he does at the Senior Bowl and the combine…proven 4 year player with an ability to penetrate…get a little more sand in the pants to anchor and we could get a sleeper on our hands…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:29 PM CST reply actions
he's 6'7 and weighs at 280 lbs currently btw...
nice angular build just how you like your 3-4 ends to be….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Cool insight
Thanks for the report
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
thanks....
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by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 23, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
as long as is isn't like sugar in the britches
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
I like him as well.
Also has some experience in the 3-4 since he played under Al Groh for a bit.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
i've seen that kid play a few times & he's solid for a late round pick imo
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
All the Drafts Suck Pretty Much
If Nicks or Meyers C from Houston (one or the other) aren’t signed then you have to look at DeCastro or Konz and work your way down from there. Only one draft has a safety being drafted and that’s deplorable which means that none of these guys were really watching the Cowboys’ defense, safety play was as disgusting as the CB play. There’s not a lot of depth behind Lee & Carter so drafting an ILB to spell either or both of them wouldn’t be bad, but idk if you do that in round 3.
An interior OL is a must
An elite DB – either free safety or CB – is a must. No more AOA projects, get a PLAYER
A nasty DL (DT or DE for the 3-4) is important
Those are the positions of great need on this team.
by CowboysFan_inDC on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM CST reply actions
Fair Enough
1. DeCastro, if Nicks is signed during FA, then Melvin Ingram or a CB
2. Minnifield – pick could switch to Thomas depending on what happens in round 1
3. Tramain Thomas – will probably grade out to be a 2nd Round pick, and we need a FS
4. Burfict – could be round 3
5. Brockers
by CowboysFan_inDC on Jan 24, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Per the rules of this mock
Konz—let the other guys battle for the two G spots
Curry—OLB talent is needed for the pass rush we want
Judie—CB needs a lot of talent so..
Fleming—we grab two of them
Acho—poster Dr-p had McKenzie the ILB from Cal, and I think either would be solid for depth/ST
Wolfe—nasty DL that is having a nice Senior Bowl week/Big East Defensive POY
Robert Golden—CB/FS prospect that has lots of starting experience
Burfict
I would LOVE to get him in the 3rd. He’s a playmaker. I saw maybe 4 ASU games this year and he was a beast in all of them. I think our ILB’s would be set for 5-8 years if they got him. I like the idea of getting a solid CB in the second, but I agree with a lot of folks that if DeCastro is there we should take him, unless we can get better through signing a FA.
Can I get some more votes please!!!!!!! N
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Ingram vs. Perry
Of those that favor Ingram, what is it you prefer over Perry (or even Upshaw)?
+1
i think Ingram just has the knack to get after the QB but to be honest whoever Dallas drafts in rounds 1-2 must be able to step right in this season.
theres no room for Bruce Carter picks in the second rd (although i like Carter & cant wait to see how he does in TC/Preseason/hopefully starting the regular season
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I'd like
DeCastro in the 1st and Curry in the 2nd. Even if we were to sign Nicks.
by BrickTop on Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
+1
While I understand that doesn’t comply with the Mocking the Draft exercise here, I couldn’t agree more. Protect your QB and attack the other. The old axiom that games are won and lost in the trenches has never been truer!
Adding to this thought...
While I’m intrigued by Ingram/Perry/Upshaw, OCC’s post with regard to the pass rushing prospects in this draft has me reconsidering where the value really lies at this position. Curry, Massoquia and/or Irvin – three potential second rounders that had the best production ratios of any of the 2012 pass rushers – may cost less and have the greater impact. Can’t wait for his follow-up piece when he compares the SackSEER #s of this classes pass rushers.
I'd like that too, but I'd take Irvin over Curry if he were there.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Personally I think Ingram is a little more special in how he gets to the QB.
He has some really great secondary moves to get by an offensive tackle.
Still though, I’m ambivalent on which one I like more until I see their combine numbers. I worry that Perry lacks the agility needed and I worry that Ingram’s size may prevent him from being an explosive athlete. I like both a lot, but I wouldn’t say they are flawless at this point. The combine should go a long way to hopefully assuaging my minor concerns.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 23, 2012 5:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like Perry's upside, but think Ingram is a safer pick.
Wouldn’t complain with either pick though.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I can see alot of Scouts and DC's falling in love with Ta'amu
He looked very impressive in his first practice at the Senior Bowl.
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He's a load.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I never realized how quick and powerful he is until today
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Ta'amu was blowing up the OLINE in the 9 on 7 drill
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I figure he will end up 1st or 2nd round.
I was impressed by what I had heard about him, enough to hop on him in the 4th for my mock.
If he is there in the 4th and the Boys ignore him in the real deal…..I won’t be happy.
They'll also target Kendall Reyes from UCONN
Passus ONI coached him there this past yr
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yeah which is why pre combine Mocks are useless
The boards are all very fluid right now. After the combine we’ll probably see the whole thing become a little more solid.
by Omar Little on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
My guess he goes in the 2nd....
I would not mind it one bit.
by death of the cool on Jan 23, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still unsold on Ingram so I'll go with Creasy's
I’ll admit I’m using very small sample sizes (about two game tapes each), but I feel like Perry’s got the athleticism and has performed more consistently.
I do like BED’s 2nd and 3rd round picks though. Haven’t paid enough attention to college football this year to know how Burfict is doing, I know hes got character concerns, but that man owned some games in 2010. He had one of the more dominant defensive performances against Arizona in 2010 that I’ve ever seen.
Just to add a little twist...
What if you do a mock draft with the ‘Boys keeping ALL their starters from last yr and only letting 2nd/3rd stringers walk via Free Agency…for example, what if they kept “Almost” Anthony and T “not so” New and even, heaven forbid, Alan “never around the” Ball? We all know that’s not going to happen but people are what iffing we get Carl Nicks (which I would love to see as that would let us target the BPA on the defensive side of the ball in rds 1 and 2). I like most all of these drafts as we could use most every player mentioned but let’s be honest, some guys, (maybe a Marty B) might actually re-sign for a little less money just because they are comfortable in Dallas, just a thought…
How about Nicks AND DeCastro?
Long time reader, first time poster. I am no where near being as knowledgeable as some of you guys so be kind. Wouldn’t our OL be set for a long time if we nabbed both of these guys? And then we could start the second round by drafting an OLB/DE, then move on to the secondary?
by staubachistan on Jan 23, 2012 8:20 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Yes, if football were ran in a capitalistic way and not this commie "everyone has a chance" salary cap system sure.
However, with the cap and the way that the NFL is structured it seems to be a poor usage of resources. The team’s think at other positions, even if they aren’t need. Special teams was easily the worst unit on the team last year, WRs can get banged up, and RB’s always a gamble. So in an ideal world, sure great idea, but in this climate…unfortunately no. I totally get you, though.
I think its a GREAT idea! Our line would be set for years to come. Welcome to BTB.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 23, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
If we got DeCastro and Nicks
and spent draft resources in rds 2-7 on defense, I’ll do the dance of joy.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Welcome to the blog, and
here’s your Rec.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Bastardization of the Top Mocks in this exercise...
1)Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina…Though I do believe that DeCastro will fall to us and we will take him @ #14.
2)Chase Minnifield, CB Virginia – A starting caliber corner that sends Newman packing for 1/10th of the price.
3)Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona – Some depth, versatility, and viciousness for our LB core.
4)Alameda Ta’amu DT/NT, Washington – A plugger up the middle for our D.
5)Tramain Thomas, FS Arkansas – 236 Tackles & 12 Ints. Elam/FA’s eventual replacement @ FS position.
6)Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma – What better way to push Dez to get serious than bringing in some competition from rival OK.
7)Kellen Moore QB, Boise St 6-0 195 – A backup qb to groom for the future.
Offense is FIXED in 2012 by simply:
1) Signing Nicks, Grubbs, or semi-comparable high-end Guard during Free Agency.
2) Re-signing Bennett & Robinson.
WR-Dez/Austin/Robinson/Broyles/Harris
TE-Bennett/Witten/Phillips
LT – Tron
LG – Nicks
C & Back-ups – FA/Kowalski/Nagy/Arkin/Kosier/Costa
RG – DeCastro
RT – Free
Good luck getting to Romo with fielding this OL! It would be THE BEST in the entire league, hands down.
Defense is FIXED in 2012 by simply:
1) Signing a good FA CB to start opposite Jenkins and to add depth & insurance.
2) Signing a quality DE in FA…although Im not sure it’s a good crop this year. But we shouldn’t break the bank on this one either. Just get a decent guy who can generate some pressure from one of the end spots and provide some quality depth to the rotation.
3) Signing a serviceable FA – Free Safety to start until Thomas is up to speed.
DE – FA/Hatcher/Lissemore
NT – Ta’amu/Brent
DE – Ratliff/Spears/Geathers
WLB – Ware/Albright
ILB – Carter & Lee plus inexpensive FA ILB for depth
SLB – Butler/Burfict
CB – Jenkins & FA
Slot & Nickel CB’s – Scandrick & Minnifield
FS – Thomas & Inexpensive stop-gap FA
SS – Sensabaugh
This wouldn’t be the Best D in the league but our back-end would be formidable and maybe provide that extra second for our pass rush to get to the opposing QB.
Plus if Jenkins turns out to be a JAG (looking possible) and we decide to not resign him, we’d still have Scandrick and a top-tier CB(Grubbs :>) signed with Minnifield waiting in the wings.
Planning for the future like this by continually resupplying the pipeline is how you stay out of desperate situations and not reaching or overpaying for Draft Picks and Free Agents.
If the Boys could somehow pull this off, we really would be just a piece or two away in 2013. In 2013 sign or draft the BPA then hit the FA market for that one or two pieces you are missing to be considered the Super Bowl favorite.
How much would this idea cost? Is it plausible considering our cap to sign a Top Free Agent CB & Guard while still re-signing Bennett and Robinson?
If it is we should DO IT!
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 23, 2012 8:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Top-Tier CB = Grimes/Carr not Grubbs.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
That's a sick off season if it happened that way.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 23, 2012 10:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would kiss you on the mouth if that happened.
They’d be absolutely stacked.
by Omar Little on Jan 24, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be ecstatic but still wouldn't kiss u on the mouth
you’ll have to settle for a hug. What though would these guys cost to get/retain do u think? Im gonna throw out a WAG here:
Nicks is gonna command about 8-9 million per year.
Carr or Grimes about 7-8 million.
A quality DE about 5-6 million.
Robinson 4-5 million
Decent FS 3-4 million
Bennett 2-3 million
To get the above players
Low End – (25 Million)
High End – (40 Million)
It’s not out of the realm of possibilities, but that’s allot of cash for 6 players. I don’t think Jerry would pay for it…but ONE guy last yr Nnamdi was gonna run 12-13 million IIRC, and JJ thought he had em so its not that far fetched seeing as we’ll have even more cap room this season vs last. I’ve heard 40 Mil in cap space thrown out their recently.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
20 million atm, plus we have a ton of FA's that we need to either resign or get someone else in their place.
As well as sign all our draft picks.
Here here foysboys! I can't vote for any of these!!!
The first pick is the problem!!
Look, I know you all hate Spencer but I think he stays. He is above average, look it up. His sacks may not be high but he is good in pass coverage and great against the run. He gets pressure. Give him the year with RR.
CB is a bigger need. My theory is get Mario Williams at all costs or Calais Campbell.
by torchindefenses on Jan 23, 2012 9:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
And Draft CB 1st Rd
Good corners are hard to come by. Pick a corner first, then move on to OG and OC. Get a DE in FA, there are only a few good/great ones.
by torchindefenses on Jan 23, 2012 9:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agree with you on most points.
I think they’ll get DeCastro in the first. CBs are harder to come by than guards, however elite players at any position that have the potential to be a perennial all star are harder to come by than good CBs.
by Omar Little on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
No CB in the 1st Rd
I don’t think there’s a CB worth taking in the first round in this years draft. As others have said it’s all about protecting your QB and getting after the other teams QB. The rules have been so rigged in favor of WRs that you could have a secondary made up of nothing but Revis’s and Reed’s & it still wouldn’t make a difference unless you had a good pass rush.
by mrniceguy101 on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Was just at Dallascowboys.com
Read the article about JJ and the Senior Bowl. He mentions getting a few new faces in the secondary. He also mentions getting a Center for Romo.
Any draft do overs?
by torchindefenses on Jan 23, 2012 9:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Mine is the best
1 David DeCastro*, G, Stanford
2 Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
3 Brandon Taylor, FS, LSU
4 Tank Carder, ILB, TCU
5 David Snow, C/OG UT –
Snow looked dominant at two positions; guard and center. He’s feisty, strong and football smart. Snow does not necessarily look the part, but gets the most from his ability and did not give up an inch to opponents this day. The versatility to play intelligent football at two offensive line positions helped his stock greatly
6 Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
6 Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
7 Dominique Hamilton, DT, Missouri 6-5 320
Hamilton flashed all week. He can bend, has a good first step and can overwhelm on contact. . However, he looks like an ideal five-technique at the next level who should be able to earn a starting job in the league
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
though I don’t know all the players. that seems to be a nice draft.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 AM CST up reply actions
Josh Norman
The East-West Shrine Game is an excellent opportunity for under-the-radar NFL draft hopefuls to catch the eye of NFL talent evaluators. One such player who is taking advantage of his opportunity to impress scouts is Coastal Carolina cornerback Josh Norman.
Former NFL wide receiver and scout Bucky Brooks, now an analyst for NFL.com, calls the 6-foot-1, 203-pound Norman the “star of the week”, impressing with his ball skills and displaying the footwork and and technique to cover wide receivers. Cecil Lammey of the New York Times has also noticed Norman and caught up to him on Wednesday to ask about his ability to break on the football.
“Part of it is knowing the down and distance, counting steps, but mostly I just read the quarterback’s eyes. I’ll watch his eyes from the snap of the ball and I can usually tell when a throw is coming by the look on his face. When I see the look, I just jump the route and go to the football.”
During his four-year career at Coastal Carolina, Norman totaled 196 tackles, including seven for a loss with 13 interceptions and 35 passes defensed
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
A lot of us like Norman
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
WB named him the MVP of the week also.
Raf and WB had a chat mentioning him, I put up a fanshot but here is a sample of what he wrote.
He’s 6’0’’. He’s 205. He’s got a great burst. Athletically he’s got all the tools. And he’s got a really good feel in off-man coverage where he anticipates well. He goes after the football. He’s got good ball skills. He can turn and run. He’s really got a knack. He made three picks in one day, which is rare at an All-Star Game practice. He finds the football.
http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/01/cowboys-draft-notes-peter-konz-and-some.html
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