2012 NFL Draft: Mike Mayock Releases Top 5 Players Per Position
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 AM CST
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NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock released his top five players per position late yesterday. Rotoworld's Evan Silva has the full rankings here, but I’m going to focus on the positions of need for the Cowboys.
First up, the top five interior offensive linemen.
1. David DeCastro, Stanford
2. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
3. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
4. Cordy Glenn, Georgia
5. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
There’s a pretty good chance that one of these guys will be wearing a Cowboys uniform soon. DeCastro is the current fan favorite for the Cowboys' first pick, but if the Cowboys go in a different direction with their first pick, one of the other names could come into play. Of note, while Cordy Glenn has been widely touted as the second best guard in the draft, Mayock likes Wisconsin's Kevin Zeitler ahead of Glenn.
After the break, we look at corners, DEs/OLBs and defensive tackles.
Cornerback is easily one of the Cowboys' biggest needs for next year. Like the guard position, this is a need that the Cowboys could and perhaps should address via free agency with guys like Cortland Finnegan, Brent Grimes or Brandon Carr. But nobody is going to complain if the Cowboys pick a corner high. Apropos of high, Mayock is not so high on Dre Kirkpatrick, whom he ranks behind relatively unheralded Leonard Johnson out of Iowa State.
Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
Next up are the DEs/OLBs, which may be a position to focus on as a Cowboys fan. The Cowboys were looking very hard at taking J.J. Watt last year and with Anthony Spencer possibly moving on to greener pastures, un upgraded pass rush certainly wouldn't hurt the Cowboys.
Somewhat surprisingly, Mayock doesn't include Courtney Upshaw out of Alabama in this ranking, instead putting him at the top of the inside linebacker ranking. Upshaw did play OLB in Alabama's 3-4 defense, so from a Cowboys point of view he should be on this list, probably battling Ingram for the second spot.
Defensive Ends/OLBs
1. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
2. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
3. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
4. Nick Perry, USC
5. (tie) Chandler Jones*, Syracuse and Andre Branch, Clemson
I’ll also include defensive tackles here because many Cowboys fans like the idea of some big guys in the middle of the defensive line, but it remains to be seen whether the Cowboys have any interest in a top five defensive tackle.
Defensive Tackles
1. Devon Still, Penn State
2. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
3. Michael Brockers, LSU
4. Brandon Thompson, Clemson
5. (tie) Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State and Dontari Poe, Memphis
Another surprising ranking here. Mayock doesn't appear to be as enamored with Michael Brockers as many others are, and even has Clemson's Brandon Thompson ahead of the Dontari Poe and Fletcher Cox.
Of course, what we don't see in any of these rankings is how big the gaps are between the individual players or which round Mayock projects them for. But it does give us a better feeling for the overall positional rankings. As rabblerousr wrote last year, Mayock is one of the few draft analysts he relies on to "establish my conception of how players should be graded and where they should be slotted", so these rankings do carry some weight for us and it's not unrealistic to expect perhaps two of the names on these rankings to end up playing for the Cowboys.
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DE/OLB
Shouldn’t these be two seperate lists, at least for the Cowboys needs.
They overlap but there is some difference.
Also the Cowboys have Spencer. A DE could make Spencer seem better,
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 6:13 AM CST up reply actions
Well technically
the Cowboys don’t have Spencer, they have history with him.
I believe....
That the mean 4-3 DE, which equates to 3-4 OLB.
by jtgreet02 on Jan 24, 2012 6:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is DeCastro really that much better than all of the other interior lineman? If he is available come draft day that will be something only the Cowboys’ insiders know.
he's the best Guard in the draft for sure
but I don’t buy in to the whole “best Guard prospect in years” mantra.
He’s probably the only G prospect I would have a 1st round grade on (Konz would be the only other interior lineman with a 1 grade) so in that regard DeCastro has separated himself.
But I’m not sure if the difference is so big you have to take DeCastro if you have other players with similar grades available at 14.
For instance, if the Cowboys were to pick a top corner or pass rusher in the first and end up with a guy like Zeitler or Glenn in rounds 2-3 I think the line would be just as good.
You don’t need 5 studs on the Oline to have a dominant Oline, you just can’t have any glaring weaknesses (Costa). Oline is the only position group where you have to judge the group as a whole since one or two star players doesn’t give you an great position group.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
I agree with you
the elite defensive talent is gonna dry up fast and I would rather take a defensive guy in the 1st and Zeitler in the 2nd
by somebodyquiet on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I got a question
What does the BEST OG IN YEARS look like? How does he play? What makes you so sure DeCastro isn’t?
Did Larry Allen receive accolades as the best when coming out of college? Steve Hutchinson? No, they didn’t. But they ended up being that.
So, when when more than one draft analyst (guys who get PAID to scout prospects) mentions this, I pay attention. Maybe DeCastro isn’t one of the best in years – he’s still GOOD. His floor is still higher than any OG on the roster currently.
And, just think . . . what if what everyone is saying is correct?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 25, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Actually Hutchinson was.
He didn’t allow a sack his final two seasons in the college and he was taken with the 17th overall pick. Not too many guards are taken in the first round, especially then when football evaluation was still in the dark ages. Larry Allen…well he just got so much bigger and stronger than he was in college and his technique improved greatly, that’s one of those situations where he just made a huge jump. Everyone thought he’d be good…that good? Oh hells to the no.
I think you want
all 5 guys to be way above average. The bookend Tackles have to protect against the outside rush, while the two guards and center have to protect against the EQUALLY dangerous push up the middle.
My favorite blitz is to overload both “A” gaps.
The key to any draft is how deep a position is. If there are plenty of way above average Guards and Centers in this draft, I might agree with taking one in the 2nd round. Larry Allen did well from that round….:)
But, if there are plenty of Corners and Rush Linebackers, more so than O-Line, then we should take DeCastro since he is the best guard by far in this draft…..according to those who know much more than I do.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I'm good with Konz in the 1st and moving Costa to RG
but we might miss out on both by going after the top CB… have to settle for a Zeitler. Also depends what’s available in Free Agency.
So, you'd trade Tyron Smith for a pretty good replacement, not a stud,
for a pretty good CB?
Do you work for the Cowboys talent evaluation team?
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
I think part of that is they're discouraged from playing the press during these senior bowl and east west shrine games
I’m not big on dennard, but he relies on press coverage. His speed is subpar, supposedly around 4.5 forty time, so he will live and die by the press. I just don’t think he has the height to defend today’s tall #1 & #2 WRs. I’m high on Chandler Jones right now, I think he has the highest ceiling of this year’s crop of pass rushers.
by matt575 on Jan 24, 2012 5:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I do wonder tho if dennard would be better suited to get looks as a fs than corner
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 7:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
In practice, it’s mostly press so far.
by JimmyK on Jan 24, 2012 7:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think I have Dennard
as the third corner taken but with a borderline first round grade.
I would not touch Dennard with a top 20 pick
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
and Janoris Jenkins
is growing on me more and more and might move past Dennard soon
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
he's bigger than Dennard too
which was something I didn’t expect. I really hate short corners
by somebodyquiet on Jan 24, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'd project Denard as more of a safety, like Bob Sanders, only more durable.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Wait until the combine. I've heard that Denard may only be 5'8''.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
senior bowl weigh ins confirmed him at 5'10
by matt575 on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's good news, forgot that they weigh in and measure height at the Senior Bowl.
Still like him as a safety rather than CB.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
If the Cowboys can ever get pressure with their front 4,
and give Tony more than 2.5 seconds to throw before ending up laying at his feet. Things in the Cowboy universe will improve imensely.
If I should die before I wake,
feed Jake.
by GunsUp on Jan 24, 2012 6:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!!!
These should be our biggest goals. Of course we need some secondary help, but man do we need to build up the OLine and Front 7 something fierce.
I don’t understand all the focus by fans of this site on the interior line.
The defense is at least just as much a need. Offensive line especially the interior positions don’t require great athletes .Compare that to defensive end or linebacker where it is more or less either you are born that way or you aren’t. That is why as much as you can avoid it that your team ought to avoid taking an interior lineman high
We can take an interior lineman in the first but only as a BPA who we think is special and not because we want that need above all others ought to be filled.
This " interior offensive line or bust and above everything else" thinking is about as intelligent, and just as trendy as the lets trade down from #9 thinking was last year.
Sir, I have to disagree with you. Have you ever been in a 3pt stance in your life?
There is no position in football that requires more discipline or technique then being an offensive lineman. The success of any football team, hinges on its ability to control the line of scrimmage. To win consistently, you must win in the trenches and that means playing on your opponent’s side of the line of scrimmage not yours. This speaks in volumes in regards to interior linemen. There’s big secret that Romo was running for his life in most of the games this season. Some of it was from an outside speed rush but a lot from stunts and twists designed at attacked the A and B (interior line) gaps. IMO if you give Romo the time, he, like Brady, Brees, Manning ,Rodgers can pick defenses apart. Also there are fewer spots of concern on the offense, so, with as deep as the draft seems to be as far as CB’s, why not pick up a potential HOF stud OG?
by @Tonekupone on Jan 24, 2012 7:23 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Yep
You can call the Giants’ talent acquisition boring, but they consistently go after OL and DL players, and it pays off.
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's because the game is one at the line of scrimmage.
Even Tom Brady and Peyton manning can’t win with constant pressure in their face. You have to have an above average QB (which we do) and a really good o-line and defensive front seven, which we don’t. I’ll stick with that statement till the day I die.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 9:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
you only win by turning out right.
60% -70% of the people last year demanded a trade down last year. Probably the same group who now calls for OL or bust.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Its better than the Cowboys
and many other teams.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
Great Rebuttal!
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
excellent rebuttal
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You have
To be able to run the ball and pass block and then fix what else needs fixing.
The two teams with the best defenses are watchig the super bowl on tv. (The Ravens and niners ) because offense is more important than defense.
You need both but a top five offense and a top ten defense is better than a top five defense and a top ten offense…. IMHO.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
by CoachGary on Jan 24, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Coach
If we fix our O, ie., protect Romo by filling the holes in the OL and improve our D, making the D a top 10 unit, which is feasible based on our D ranking last year, then we have a real shot at the playoffs next year IMO.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
True, but
Notice that year in and year out, (At least for the last 10 years or so), it is the Elite QB’s that make the difference, and they play on offense.
Again, you have to have a top 10 defense, but New Orleans and Indy certianlly didnt have a top 5 defense.
SF also only made how many 3rd down conversions? Was it ONE?
Poor SF offense….is one of the main reasons the game was as close as it was.
Keeping the other team off the field with great offense makes for a pretty good defense also.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I remember Jimmy Johnson used to say you have to win two of the three areas
I think it’s very true. We’ve had an ongoing debate on here about improving the OL vs. better pass rush vs. better coverage. It’s all important. I like Jimmy’s approach that you have to win in two of the three areas to win the game. I think we saw this past weekend how even with the “elite QB” or a strong Defense, it can all be for not if the ST’s have a let down.
On a side note: I really don’t buy into the “elite QB” stuff making the difference. I think this is played up way to often. I think it’s much more likely that a solid offense, to include the line, skill position players, preparation, strategy, and some luck leads to the media hype of calling someone an elite QB.
You make great points
and I usually make the same ones, because a TEAM wins and a TEAM looses, but the QB and the Coach get associated with W’s and L’s after their name, and in the case of the QB, we do have tangible facts, called the QB rating to go by, and I think it is a very fair way to grade a QB, the QBR is an even better one and if you look at all the top QB’s 90% of them are SB winners and the other 10 percent should get theirs someday if the rest of their team improves.
It is no denying that this is a QB driven league.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I agree it's a QB driven league
But even the tangible facts you mention in QB rating and QBR is still an individual rating based on the teams performance. The ability of the blockers, receivers, and those that create and call the plays have a direct effect on the rating.
Football is so much a team sport (I know you know). It reminds me of how quickly the media started praising the OL of Dallas after Romo came in.
+1
some superbowl winning teams had only run of the mill quarterbacks and one was even a running back playing QB (Tom Matte) Losing Team == Cowboys and Staubach
2 turn overs and a missed fg was all that kept ravens and 49ers out ..
at least to me any ways hehehe, but then giants were gift wraped that win by the bounce of the ball. but of coarse they could have come back any how, guess we will never know for sure …..
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Also true,
but there is no denying that this is a QB dominated league and the QB plays on Offense.
It is no coincidence that the teams that make it to the Superbowl have elite QB’s…Usually……
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
The Giants have a better pass rush than either the Ravens or the NIners
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
They also
have a better QB.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
if the OG guard is great then take him. If DeCastro is ,plug in ,play ,probowl and there is no one there at that level then you taking him seems like a good idea.
But over everything else you don’t focus on OG and you don’t reach to build up the offensive line. If DeCastro isn’t there do we still only focus on getting an offensive lineman in round one?
Even if he is do you take him if there is a corner back a the the same level ?
You go BPA not offensive line or bust.
Landry’s Cowboys didn’t overpower people at interior over power teams on the defensive line .
Jimmy Johnson never had Larry Allen he still won two superbowls. Now if there is a Larry Allen you take him . But if there isn’t one like him you don’t throw everyone else out just to get a tougher dude in there.
It is all BPA.
This is my view of football Get a QB a LT , two or three big time pass rushers , and two shut down corners, The rest fill in with JAGS
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
You only take value.
If there is an O-Lineman sitting there that is equal to or very close in value, then you take him if the Olinemen are in short supply.
But if there are 50 Olinemen of almost the same value, and there is only one top CB left on the board and the rest are only half as good, then you go for the DB.
It is all about value, and need. Value + Need = BPA.
Reach = pick way too high for need = dumb.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
depends on the difference in value.
there are some small exceptions to BPA but almost always it is the way to go
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
So if
a top notch QB and a Top Notch RB are sitting at 14 and Clayborne is also there but the QB and RB are rated higher, you are telling me that it is better to pick the QB or the RB because they are the best players available?
It is all about value and need. Value + Need = BPA. IMHO.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
If I saw a really nice QB there, I would take him.
RB I would compare him to Clayborne. If he was a lot better then I would take him too.
For him to be a lot better he would have to very much like Adrian Peterson.
After seeing what Adrian Peterson did as a rookie I would go BPA
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
So, you would really take
a QB as your first pick if he was rated 13th and DeCastro was rated 14th BPA? Really? And how does picking a backup QB that high help this team?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Well if the QB is just back up quality then I really messed up.
But what if he is Aaron Rodgers.
What did I do?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
Alex Smith was highest rated QB
on the board, and how did that pan out?
Rodgers went somewhere in the 20’s because he was not rated a lot higher than that. Was rated fairly high but still you dont know about a draft until a few years pass, so just because Rodgers is there, what if he is the next Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith, or….etc..etc…
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
No, no he wasn't.
Only idiots thought that. Alex Smith had a fringy arm and questions about his accuracy. He also ran a gimmick offense that wouldn’t translate into the NFL. Aaron Rodgers played a pro-style offense and had a good arm and was pretty accurate. Obviously he’s made some improvements, but he was always the more reasonable choice. There was this knock on him that he was a “Tedford QB,” so that kept people away from him. There was a time where dumbasses were high on guys that ran spread offenses in college. Akili Smith fits in that same category. Ryan Leaf? Drugs, women, and other issues got in his way. His off the field activities did him in.
by Omar Little on Jan 25, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
It's simple math really
Let’s say:
Romo + the current O line = 85
Romo + current O line + DeCastro = 92
Improvement of 7.
Defense + Spencer = 81
Defense + and 1st round OLB = 85
Improvement of 4.
Defense – Newman = 77
Defense – Newman + 1st rd CB = 80
Improvement of 3.
Adding DeCastro increases the overall TEAM value by the greatest margin for the years to come. The reason why is because the interior O line is so bad. The OLBs on this team include Ware, who is the best OLB in the league. The only way to substantially increase OLB value is to add just as much production or add another “Ware.” Also, there isn’t a 1st round CB (other than Claiborne) in this draft that will improve our secondary the same amount DeCastro improves the O line (it’s my contention that the secondary would receive greater improvement from adding a stud FS).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 25, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
Preach Brother Jenkins!
Yeah, if they think one of these OLBs is Aldon Smith or Tamba Hali take him…if not? DeCastro. Dre Kirkpatrick has potential, but there’s a few red flags in his game and his character. No deal breakers, but warning signs for sure. I think the Cowboys, where they’re at, should take the lower risk at a position that’s of arguably greater need.
The only way I like DeCastro is BPA , not cause we need a guard.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
To be clear.
DeCastro is rated 14th best player on some boards. If a QB is rated 13th best player, I still pick DeCastro because we have Romo and dont need to waste a #1 pick on our next QB quite yet.
But again, the BPA was the QB….do you pick him?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
know the story of Joe Montana? or Dan Marino?
the Cowboys passed on him to take Doug Cosbie. Tex Schram always talked about it.
He always told that story to make sure the Cowboys never made the same mistake .
This is well known Cowboy’s history.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
But Montana was not a BPA when
we passed on him. He was a 7th round pick wasnt he? Or was it a 4th rounder.
Even if he was rated as a 4th rounder, we are talking about where they were slotted or rated as BPA. Montana wasnt rated a BPA when we made most of our picks.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
No Montana was the HIGHEST PLAYER ON THE COWBOYS BOARD when the passed on him.
Please check the Catch by Garry Myers
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
He was rated 2nd or 3rd round in 1979
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
i wonder if 49ers system and roger craig and the greatest wr ......
wonder how much that made joe montana
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Bill Walsh
was asked if it was him and the system or Joe Montana that made things click…..
His response….“Well, lets just say that if Joe was on another team, he would not do as well.”
Teams win and Walsh and that Defense had everything to do with Montana winning many, many games. Ever hear of Ronnie Lott?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Montana had a lot of luck than but you can’t hold that against him.
I like defense too but Montana was special . better than Romo.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Montana threw the ball
to the best WR that has ever lived! THE very best – period!
Sage Rosenfels would look pretty good throwing to Jerry Rice…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 25, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
And Bill was full of sh*t !!
His response…."Well, lets just say that if Joe was on another team, he would not do as well."
How did an older Montana do with a vastly inferior team in Kansas City ?
Walsh was full of himself.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Montana
Had Clark, and Rathman as his best RB and Receiver in 1981 (first Ring)
Had Clark and Taylor as his receivers and Rathman + Craig as his RBs in their second SB run (the yr they defeated Marino).
Montana + Rice didn’t win a SB together until 1988 (the drive against the Bengals where John Taylor scores game winner).
The defense was always really good during Montana’s yrs, but the offense didn’t start being good until the 2nd and 3rd SBs.
Montana was more like Brady circa 2001 in 1981.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dallas could have had Joe Montana in 1979. Months before the draft, Montana toppled Houston by leading a 22-point, 4th quarter comeback in the Cotton Bowl. Tom Landry liked him, but he didn’t really like him. "If we take him, I’ll probably cut him in training camp," the Hall of Fame coach said. Nevermind that Montana was the highest player on the ‘Boys board, and since when did Dallas not take the best available? (10, Catch)
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I will give you that one.
But, that is the exception that proves the rule.
I still stand by my example of not taking a QB at 14 even if he is the highest rated player on the board, unless, and this is the most important part…..“unless he is clearly superior by a large amount.”
If there is a DB, OL, or Rush LB at the 14 spot and the QB is the 13th best player on the board, (which would make him the highest rated), but just for the fun of it, lets say JJ Watt or Von Miller was sitting there, you would still take the QB? Really?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
And I am saying that Von
Miller is the 14th best player in my example.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
in 1983 Dan Marino was the number one player on the cowboys board. We took Jeffcoat.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
We had Danny White and
Potential doesnt always work out.
Ryan Leaf was the #1 rated QB on most boards. Think the Chargers are glad they went with BPA?
Besides having a terrific QB named Danny White, here is why we passed on Marino and most people whould agree with the thinking by Landry and Tex…..
The Cowboys were particularly strong on offense, led by quarterback Danny White and running back Tony Dorsett. The Cowboys scored a team record 479 points, and staged a few come-from-behind victories during the season. However, the defense gave up several points, despite strong play from Randy White, Ed “Too Tall” Jones, and Everson Walls. In particular, the young secondary was guilty of giving up many big plays throughout the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Dallas_Cowboys_season
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Jeffcoat wasn’t special as a DE like Mario was a QB.
Alot of books on the decline of Tom Landry’s Cowboys tell the same story of the Cowboys passing on Joe Montana in 1979 and Dan Marino in 1983.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
Tex admitted himself that the Cowboys missed Mario
In the Sporting News in 1987 the Cowboys got a C+
It said something very close to this : failure here (the 1983 draft) led to the Cowboys losing season in 1986. Right end Jeffcoat is solid not dominant. .
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm good with the Jeffcoat pick, as we had White.
Jeffcoat played for the Cowboys for 12 seasons, won two Super Bowls (XXVII and XXVIII), totaled 698 tackles, 94.5 sacks and 149 quarterback pressures. He registered five seasons with 70-or-more tackles and five seasons with 10-or-more sacks and left the Cowboys as it’s all time leading quarterback sacker (the NFL didn’t start recognizing quarterback sacks as an official stat until 1982). He also scored 4 touchdowns on interception and fumble returns.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
would you take Aaron Rodgers over Von Miller?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
If Aaron Rodgers
was rated 15th best player and Miller was rated the 14th best player, I would take Rodgers in a heartbeat, but then that makes my point as well as yours.
Everyone can see that Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL and who wouldnt take Rodgers knowing what we know now. But as in the case of Montan and where Rodgers was taken in his draft, they were not known quantities at that time.
Now, if I didnt already know about Rodgers, I would take Von Miller if he and Rodgers were almost identical in terms of BPA. One slot above or below is not enough difference to ignore a position of need, and that is the point that I think you are missing.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
i guess according to coach gary's point
Dallas won’t take a QB UNLESS Andrew Luck falls to #14.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 8:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep,
do you agree with that?
We dont need a QB and if one is rated “slightly” higher than DeCastro, would anyone pick that QB and pass on DeCastro?
I dont think so. Now if it is Andrew Luck or perhaps RG3, then I would take the pick and trade it, or just trade down a few spots and hope to fill a few needs with the “PROPER” value.
It is all about getting value for your needs….i.e., dont REACH!!!
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
If any of the top rated QBs
“fell” to 14, before Dallas selects them, they should ask themselves the question of WHY the QB fell in the 1st place. If Andrew Luck or RGII are avail at 14, wouldn’t we ALL think something (injury report, wonderlic, somethin) was wrong w/ them?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 25, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
So yes I take the QB
I don’t have a choice.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
I just dont think you would last
as a GM with that kind of thinking. BPA was the Lions theme when they took a WR every year for like 4 years in a row, when they could have picked a guy one slot lower and still got a top player, but at a position they needed.
How did some of those WR’s work out for the Lions?
You take the best player available that fits your needs…UNLESS THERE IS A PLAYER THAT is clearly better.
For example, sometimes we see ratings like 98, 97, 96, 95, etc and they are all potential Probowlers, if one of those guys fits a need, then the difference between the 98 guy and the 97 guys is like a penny is to a thousand dollars, you take the guy that helps your team the most, as long as they are almost exactly the same VALUE.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Value + Need = BPA.
And you do have a choice.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
There are some exceptions to BPA but usually it is the way to go.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
I have said this many times the LIons went down the draft not cause of BPA but because of an inability to evaluate talent.
They lost cause they selected players who weren’t any good not cause they went BPA.
They though they were going BPA but they had no idea about the players they were drafting
And then to badly over reached to selected Joey Harrington.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
The WRs execept for Calvin Johnson weren’ t any good . That is why the Lions failed.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
if get fired but I was the one who drafted Aaron Rodgers I get another chance at a job.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
OK, you are missing my point.
My point is what really is the BPA. I say and keep saying it is VALUE + NEED.
Here is another example that will illustrate my point the best way possible.
Lets say we have the 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th picks and the the BPA at all of those positions are all QB’s. Would you take maybe the 16th and 17th best players if they were a Corner and a pass rusher instead of two more QB’s?
You take the best player that fits your needs unless there is a huge difference in value…..
BPA is silly if you keep taking the same postion and it does nothing to fix your needs.
You have to incorporate common sense into that BPA rule…it cant be hard and fast or anyone could be GM, even me….
BPA is a guideline not a hard and fast rule…..Need has to be considered.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
sure there are exceptions and times when you have to sort go around it. I was never saying that there wasn’t
but if there is any substantial difference between them you go BPA.
And BPA carries more weight than need
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
agree with "Substantial Difference"
and have been repeating that same theme with most of my replys.
BPA carries more weight than need, but that is why you dont reach. You try to marry the BPA to the Need by trading down or insuring that the pick you make is close enough to the spot picked that it is the “proper” value, and then is when need + value = BPA.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Do you think GB is going to pick a QB if he is the BPA on their board and there is a defensive player a couple spots down on their board?
No. They will take the defensive player. You cannot pick only BPA without looking at what else your team needs.
BPA must be considered WITH need. You must compare the two with the players available when you are on the clock.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Well said,
Couldnt of said it better myself.
Exactly to the point!
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
We can take an interior lineman in the first but only as a BPA who we think is special and not because we want that need above all others ought to be filled.
as I said
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Mayock isn't a god though.
He had Gabbert as his number 1 qb number 5 overall. He had Newton at 21.
He had Costanzo ranked higher than Carimi and Smith. Both Carimi and Smith were better than Costanzo as was Solder.
He had Casey Matthews ranked a head of Kelvin Sheppard. Sheppard is by far the superior player.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Newton wasn't a great pro prospect
His accuracy was horrible, I think his rookie year is a true aberration.
True Mayock isn’t going to be perfect, but he’s by far and away the best scouting analyst on TV today
In Romo we Trust
Newton threw 21 td's to 17 int's it's not like he had pro bowl stats.
He had a good rookie year, not great. 17 int’s cost their team several games. I wouldn’t want him on our team, teams will figure him out and once they do he’s another Vick. Not accurate but makes plays b/c people worry about him running. Won’t win a super bowl.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I give Cam a good chance to win a SB.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he's accurate enough
He relies too much on his arm strength and legs. Michael Vick was a better QB out of college. And that’s hard for me to say
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but I highly doubt I am
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just remember that this is a team sport.
Especially for a young, pretty bad team and few OTAs, Cam led very well, looked like he was having fun.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Can is entirely overhyped
His numbers running the ball were great – that’s not playing QB. There is a reason Michael Vick had never win anything; because his accuracy wasn’t anywhere near his running ability. At some point you have to stand in and throw the ball.
by jtgreet02 on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I saw Cam play quite a bit this year
and was pretty impressed. I saw him make some throws.
We’ll see.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
I think CAM is going to be great. He is what the Raiders though they were getting with JaMarcus Russell.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
minus the funny blue drink hahahaaaa
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Wierd...
Anyway, I wrote that even with few OTAs and a pretty bad team, Cam led very well. Looked like he was having fun.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
He was a rookie. Geez give the guy a little credit....
People are so quick to say Dallas didn’t have an off season. Neither did Cam. He was a dynamic force though as a rookie.
Vick is not in Cam’s neighborhood. He played 8 games as a rookie and had 2 td passes with 3 int’s. Vick played 15 games his second year and 15 his 4th year. His second year he had 16 td passes and 8 int’s. His 4th year he had 14 td’s and 12 ints. Cam is already better than Vick.
So why do you say Vick was better ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 24, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
oh my god dude....
did you even watch a Carolina game?
It was the guy’s rookie year…..and he showed that he can make every NFL pass with poise and leadership….and inside the 10 he is as much of a threat to score as any NFL running back.
you sir are so wrong.
by death of the cool on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
We'll see when people start playing them like Michael Vick.
It’s called a QB you have RB’s to run the ball and he’s not a QB he’s a RB with a big arm. Watch the next 5 years and we’ll see.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
POISE AND LEADERSHIP?!?!?!?
How many games did he lose from throwing not 1, not 2, but 3 and 4 int’s. You sir are so wrong
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 10:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
In all fairness he did show a good amount of these traits
Sure he had several bad games, but Cam is legit. He’s like a bigger & faster version of Donovan McNabb.
by @Tonekupone on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
We would have never even been in those games without romo If he was in Dallas we would have been a 5-11 team
And if romo was in Carolina they would have won 2-3 more games.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
+10000
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
and just to be clear
I like Cam but not more than Romo.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I think Newton has proven he should've been the #1 overall pick
People questioned he ability to study and process an NFL playbook, and then take what he learned and apply it to practice and game day. They also questioned his footwork.
Well during the 1st phase of the lockout-predraft, he worked on his footwork.
Duing phase 2 of the lockout-postdraft, he took his Panthers playbook, hired Chris Weinke to help him learn it, and also enrolled in a QB/WR academy with out rookie WRs and spent the lockout practicing the plays, and throwing the different routes to WRs.
As a result when he got to camp after the lockout, he was miles ahead of the rest of the QBs on the Panthers that he won the job after the second preseason game.
He also demonstrated his leadership qualities by convincing Steve Smith to drop his trade me/release me stance, and come back to the team. The veterans on the Panthers became believers in him.
Yes, I’m a Cam Newton fan, but the guy is immensely talented, humble (gets too little credit for this), has great work ethic, and leadership skills. He’s able to put the noise of his critics aside, and focus on leading his team-as witnessed by leading his team to BCS Title during the pay for play hoopla.
The skeptics were valid, but post draft, he’s proven everyone wrong. He just has to keep getting better, and I believe he will.
People say on this board that Cam isn’t as good as Peyton Manning, maybe he won’t have as excellent a career as Peyton, but you know what, he put up more TDs (35, 21 pass, 14 runs), less INTs (than Peyton), more Passing yards (than Peyton), and higher QB rating (Peyton) in his rookie season.
Manning’s rookie season: 56.7% completion, 3739 yrds, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 71.6 rating
Newton’s rookie season: 60.0 % completion, 4051 yrds+706 rushing, 21 passing TDs, 14 rushing TDs, 17 INTs, 84.5 QB rating.
Seriously, give Cam his due. He made the pro bowl, all beit as a replacement for Eli. Peyton couldn’t replace Elway on the 1998 AFC Pro Bowl team, they took Warren Moon instead.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What's making the pro bowl have to do with ANYTHING???
You’re telling me cam newton had a better year than tony Romo?? Uhhhh no… Pro Bowl is bull crap, nothing to do with most diserving player
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
For Christ' sake
I just included him making the pro bowl. It was’t my main reasoning. Have you failed reading comprehension?!?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
did I say Newton was a better player than Romo?!?
I said Newton is a better player than people like to admit, and that he had a better rookie yr than Peyton Manning. Can you be so dense?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What do you have against Newton?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
People here never really understand exactly what you say.
You said that you think Newton can be a good player, and that he was worthy of the number one overall pick. So to them that means that you said that he’ll be better than John Elway. You point out that he made the pro-bowl, WHAT SO HE’S BETTER THAN ROMO If you dare say that not all the bad moves that this team made were Jerry’s fault or even dare to suggest that Jerry’s made his fair share of good calls, all of the sudden you think that Jerry’s the best GM in the league. You make the point that the defense was average, and all of the sudden you’re saying that the defense doesn’t need any work. You question whether Melvin Ingram is too big to play a 34 SLB and all of the sudden you think he’s a scrub. You tell people to tone down the hyperbole, and all of the sudden you’re saying that the team was totally awesome and needs no changes. You say one thing that goes against the dull and stagnant CW and everyone sounds like they were beaten with a hyberbole stick. It’s one of the more frustrating things about the internet. Everyone takes such extreme positions, “Spencer sucks,” “Eli is better than Peyton,” “the defense was garbage,” etc. etc. The truth is very rarely that far out on the fringes. Especially in a sport like football where the league actively tries to make each team 8-8. You can’t really act like one team is head and shoulders above just about any other team.
Your position is hard to disagree with on the merits, RoY, 4K yards passing, best rookie season for a QB ever, and so forth. However, he’s an “athletic” QB so that automatically means that the comparison is Mike Vick. Completely forgetting that these are two completely different players with two completely different skill sets, and most importantly, and two completely different men.
No one is ever the next anyone. Every player is different, these comparisons are designed for a ballpark on a player’s playing style and the value that they can provide. So comparing him to Mike Vick just because they’re both athletic and black QBs is just plain silly. Newton showed quite a bit last season, he’s still a rookie and he made plenty of mistakes but to look at the numbers he put up and watching his play last season, I don’t see how anyone can think that he doesn’t have a chance to be a good Quarterback.
I was wrong on him too. I thought “rich man’s Vince Young.” As in a player that can make things happen with his legs, and be a competent game manager. Maybe even win you a few games. I was wrong…dead wrong. This guy’s arm strength and presence on the field is something else. Sky’s the limit for him.
You're all over the place.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I was agreeing with you on Newton.
And merely pointed out that there is an understanding gap on the internet…
Ok cool. Sorry, I couldn't tell
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
So...
you’re saying you don’t like Romo? You’re not even a Cowboys fan, are you?
Seriously though, I was prepared to HATE Cam Newton and slag on his slick and privileged persona and enjoy watching him fail ala Jamarcus Russell. But I was wrong. I live in South Carolina so I watched my fair share of the DREADFUL Panthers’ games and he’s unbelievable. His INTs are due to inexperience and having the sack to think he’ll make all the throws (remind you of young Tony, maybe?).
If he doesn’t get caught up in the cult of celebrity and really works on Xs and Os, he will have an incredible career.
Steve Smith can’t say enough great things about him.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
Yeah I was dead wrong on him.
He’s unbelievable. He’s not the jerk everyone thinks he is either. Great leader, humble guy, and has some sick presence on the field.
by Omar Little on Jan 25, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
I thought, wrongly, that he would be like so many other freakishly talented guys and not have the maturity or background of working hard on the details. He’s impressive and he’ll be a great QB if he continues to work at it.
Don't believe everything you think.
Ditto.
Seriously though, I was prepared to HATE Cam Newton and slag on his slick and privileged persona and enjoy watching him fail ala Jamarcus Russell. But I was wrong. I live in South Carolina
But I go to the pub and watch DirectTV and not the Panthers.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
No u said he was better than Peyton manning his rookie yr b/c he made the pro bowl.
The pro bowl probes absolutely nothing about how good a player someone is so why did u bring up that point? Cam Newton did not have a pro bowl yr that is my point when speaking of newton making the pro bowl over Romo. Obviously someone else has a little difficulty in reading comprehension. If you didn’t understand that, I am saying you are the one that has trouble in reading comprehension ;) was that clear enough for you?
by Dynamicduo on Jan 24, 2012 6:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No he didn't
He pointed out that he made the pro-bowl his rookie year, surely an accomplishment. He had a better rookie season than Peyton Manning did, that doesn’t mean that he’s better than Manning. He’s simply saying that the future is bright. Andy Dalton had a better rookie year than Aikman did, does pointing out that mean that you’re suggesting that Dalton is better than Aikman?
I never said making the Pro Bowl was the reason Cam had a better rookie season than Peyton
I said Cam had a better statistical rookie season than Peyton. numbers don’t lie. Swriously, go back and re-read what I said.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Exactly.
If Cam makes the same jumps that Peyton made he’ll be better than he was…however that’s an almost negligible if, as in it’s not happening. There was a lot that happened between Manning’s rookie year and Manning’s first MVP season that caused him to get better. Very few players can make those types of adjustments and run the field that way. Dude’s straight beast. I heard his comments about the new regime in Indy, sounds like he’ll be leaving. Hope the Skins don’t get him, hope the Jets do.
Agreed.
I also hope the Skins don’t get RG3 or my boys Lindley and Moore.
Let em take Tannehill or Weeden. I donz’t want the skins taking a QB I like..lol!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Moore is not a pro qb.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 25, 2012 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, Cam has shown a lot of flashes and could grow into a very good QB in this league
this is coming from a guy who has written him off. He could still very likely bust but i think there’s a good chance he’ll become a good QB
by somebodyquiet on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I was not the biggest fan of Cam's
But he showed some great work ethic and spent 12 weeks with Chris Weinke at IMG Academy in Florida during the lockout. He did everything in his power to be a good QB in the NFL and it showed in his first year. I know he will be heading backdown there this offseason and will only get better.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
as usual birddog
You are spot on right!
I seldom disagree with your take.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Given that he is one of the few around here (perhaps the only one?)
whose job is working one on one with NFL players, yeah, not a guy I tend to argue with.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Hey BD, is there any site that lists what players are going to one of the Academy's in the off season?
I would love to know which Cowboys were being that serious about it, and about the FA’s we are eyeballing for the same reason.
None that I know of
I work with clients at IMG, Fischer Sports in Ariona and Michael Johnson’s facility in Dallas so I know who is going there. I also know and work with agents Tom Condon, Drew Rosenhaus and David Dunn so I know where their clients are going. Teams will never talk about it and the media steers clear of the subject.
While I have not seen it, I was told by several people that ESPN was making a stinck of Tom Brady consulting his personal QB coach, Tom Martinez, this week. This is one reason why many coaches, teams and agents do not talk about it openely in the media. While Tom and most of the front page writers know who my clients are with the Cowboys and have been respectful of not disclosing them, I think the mainstream media would have a field day with it and spin it as negative.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
To bad, it would have been nice to know.
And good to know our front page writers have the discretion to keep some things to themselves.
you're talking about Gabbert, not Newton
Newton was great, but that 2nd rounder was better… Cinci got the best WR and the best QB. Newton will be better in the long-run though. He can carry a team and unlike Tebow he’s more accurate.
While not a god, Mayock bases his opinions on tape, which counts for an awful lot.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Mayock will change his rankings many times, before the draft.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
absolutely, rankings and mock drafts mean really nothing right now
Gotta watch the all-star games, get combine and pro day results, after that combine those elements with tape then ranking players becomes a more realistic exercise.
In Romo we Trust
yup
he’s probably got more tape to watch too
by somebodyquiet on Jan 24, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
You're right...
I also remember him droning on about Darren McFadden not even being in his Top 20 or something, saying he doesn’t “move his legs on contact.”
Mayock is a freakin’ space alien.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
by Phillyboijr on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Two seperate issues...
McFadden having injury issues doesn’t equate to him “sucking” or being overrated.
When he’s healthy on the field playing, he’s one of the Top 3 or 4 backs in the league.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
When he’s healthy on the field playing, he’s one of the Top 3 or 4 backs in the league
Dont you have to be on the field playing for it to matter ?
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
If you’re saying DMC is injury prone, you won’t get an argument from me. I’m simply saying the notion of him being “overrated” is offbase, because when he’s playing, he’s one of the best in the league the past two seasons. The numbers are comparable to the other top backs in the league.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Mayock was correct about McFadden
I watched DMCF struggle in 2008 and 2009 because in college he was a straight line runner with very little cutback ability. His straight line speed is really good, but on initial contact he would fall to the ground plenty of times his first two seasons, and even now he still struggles with it.
Arkansas did a great job hidding his flaw because they also had Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis. I’d say McFadden is a decent RB, but I wouldn’t want him on the boys.
Another thing to consider, McFadden has also gotten better because the Raiders o-line and QB play improved. Whereas a guy like Adrian Peterson was doing more with less on his offensive line and at QB.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He "struggled?"
He “struggled” in 2008 and 2009 due to injuries (starting just 12 games his first two seasons), not to mention that during those days the Raiders were trying to implement a 3-headed monster with Justin Fargas, Michael Bush and DMC.
Also a huge factor in how well DMC has played these past two seasons is the fact the Raiders have made him their feature back and scheming to his strengths. In prior seasons, with the running back by commitee approach, the Raiders were simply running blocking schemes that suited the other backs (Fargas & Bush); like square peg into round hole. Check the numbers, they don’t lie. With an increased role, DMC has only gotten better.
FWIW, I live in the Bay Area and am forced to watch more Raider games than I care to see, lol.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
I lived in the bay area from 2007-2010
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I've lived in the Bay Area from 1978-89 and then from 1994 to present...
Lol, now that my Bay Area residential dominance established….shall we discuss DMC’s numbers and how he’s been utilized?
First two season (’08 & ’09/…25 games):
One game with 20+ carries
217 total carries
856 yards rushing
3.9 YPC
34.24 yards per game
Past two seasons (just 20 games played)
Seven games of 20+ carries
336 total carries
1771 yards rushing
5.2 YPC
88.55 yards per game
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
DMC is another back that should not be over used.
I hope we don’t over use Murray.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
You know Mensa, I gotta give you credit.
You take extreme positions that are out of the CW on the board and you back them up. You’re awfully good at getting under people’s skin and forcing them to think about thinks. You’re annoying as all hell and sometimes I think you’re just messing with us with some of the crap you pull, but overall I think you’re a good guy. Just remember that the next time I’m yelling at you.
Agreed totally here, Mayock has some good things to say but lets stop acting like he’s that much better than ESPN’s crew or anything like that.
LOL Omar. It would be easier if Jerry would step down.
Ya I am blunt for sure. Not just on this blog but I have always been the boss in my life. Maybe that has something to do with it.
You will yell at me again. You will call me idiot again. I never take this stuff personal. Some do. LOL. For all my bitching one thing I know. I can’t do anything about it. In my 20’s I looked at the Cowboys almost like every here does. Then we had the 90’s teams. Then I gave Jerry 4-5 years to retool. Now I watch some of the moves he makes and say wtf.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 24, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Just know that I actually kinda like you...despite your, well "you-ness"
You’re right about Jerry retooling. I’d say in 1999 they should have started the rebuild. They won the division the year before, but Irvin went down in ‘99. Instead of looking at his team and saying "it’s time," he wanted to extract one more win out of the team, which I guess I can’t blame him for. He held on to that for too long, though. Wrong decision in hindsight, instead he acquired people like Galloway and then once Troy left, rather than rebuilding a franchise he tried to patch together a playoff team as fast as he could. That, besides the coaches, was IMO the biggest mistake.
But he got a few cool things out of holding on for too long, we got to see Emmitt break the all time rushing record, I’ll never for get that moment for as long as I live. Was pretty damn cool if you ask me. That was what? 2002? After that they should have started looking to re-build the franchise, but they didn’t. Hired Parcells and wanted to see if they could do it with a busdriver at QB. They couldn’t, but they lucked into Romo so hopefully they can get it done while he’s still here. Such an odd turn of events after Irvin got injured. Never went through a rebuild, in the traditional sense, but they were contenders for a few years here and there. Oh well, 1998 was the last year for the Dynasty to do something in the Super Bowl…just wasn’t in the cards.
I think it is impossible
to “prove” that they “Lucked” into Romo. It can be “assumed” on both sides of that argument.
I think it is as Bill Parcells said….“You cant just dial up 1-800-greatQB” and that alot of the reason that Jerry took a long time to re-tool was because of the lack of available QB’s that can be THE FRANCHISE guy. I give Jerry the credit on signing Romo because as the GM you have to give him credit for all the good moves if you give him all the greif for all his bad ones….otherwise you are just not being fair or intellectually honest. (lying to self).
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Dude he was a UDFA
Anytime one of those work out it takes a tremendous amount of luck. They were patient with him and he rewarded their patience and coaching. I’m one of Jerry’s biggest defenders here so I’m not trying to rip Jerry or anything. They got lucky with Romo, I think anytime a UDFA turns into an all-star you got lucky, granted it took some skill, but also some luck.
You could also make the argument that anytime you hit on a QB that requires some bit of luck.
Well saod Omar
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
The Luck part was that
he turned out so well, but that doesnt mean that they didnt “Evaluate” him and then saw something that they really liked. Which they did.
The evaluation part is the part that I am saying is not luck but skill.
Way before Parcells put Romo in as the starter, both Jerry and Parcells said they could tell from the get-go that Romo could really be something, that is skill at spotting potential and that is all any draft pick or FA is until they ALL PROVE themselves…..Ryan Leaf anyone?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
You guys don't get it.
as the GM you have to give him credit for all the good moves if you give him all the grief for all his bad ones
I give Jerry credit for good moves. But the problem is that Jerry’s good moves are individual hits here and there and are far outweighed by his bad moves or non-moves. He doesn’t seem to have a plan to build a team and is a bad GM.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I saw a list a while back that
I wish I would have saved. It listed all the good moves by Jerry and all the bad moves by Jerry and there were more good ones than bad.
And I am not kidding or trying to lie to anyone. I could remember it wrong, but it struck me so hard, I doubt that my memory of that article is wrong either.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Keep in mind that the
Draft picks are not individual but in total, and Jerry gets the credit and blame only in as much as he hired the scouts.
As an example, the hiring of Larry Lacewell and all of those picks attributed to him would be on one side of the ledger and the hiring of his replacement and all of the new scouts and their picks on one side as well.
The main thing the GM does is work trades. The one he made for Haley was a grand slam. The ones for Joey Galloway and Roy Williams are on the bad side of the ledger.
And next are the FA signings. Kosier, T.O., Deion and others are usually forgotten that Jerry gets the credit for them as well.
But most important is the fact that Jerry listens to a whole lot of people and trys to get concensus before he makes a move, and I think that is a sign of a good mananger.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I look at it in two ways. Individual players and the team.
He may have signed more good players than bad but what has that done for the team? Were they the right players? Did he maintain a team that could succeed?
And besides, you cannot make a list of good versus bad players over the life of Jerry as GM because not all those players played at the same time on the same team or helped maintain the team. For an extreme example, what if Jerry’s “good” list has more than the “bad” list because there are 10 all pro WRs on it? Did all 10 play on the same team at the same time? Or on the other hand, did those 10 WRs help maintain the overall team at a playoff level when the team had other areas of need, such as QB after Aikman?
My point is that hitting on a good move here and there and making a “good” list that is longer than a “bad” list over 22 years does not build and maintain a successful team.
I know Jerry has made good moves. I just think that overall, he is bad at maintaining a playoff caliber team. Otherwise, that list of good players that is longer than the bad players would have better results than the last 16 years.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Dre plays more like a fs.....
Mayock is not so high on Dre Kirkpatrick, whom he ranks behind relatively unheralded Leonard Johnson out of Iowa State
.
Mayock has been pretty good in regards to db’s. He was a db in the pro’s.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
What do you think of Brandon Taylor mensa?
assuming that you know everything LSU.
by BrickTop on Jan 24, 2012 7:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think he will be better than any safety we have. It may take him a year.
Ryan Clark the safety for Pitt is damn good. I think Taylor will be that kind of player. Lsu runs a weird d. There is a lot of free lancing in the secondary because everyone is such a great athlete.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 24, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN does it again
OK – I’m not trying to jack this comment thread, but it’s being reported on espndallas and proffotballtalk that Jerry Jones says Eli is the difference between the Giants and the Cowboys. But if you listen to Jones’ whole interview on the mothership, he was saying the exact opposite. He was saying that the Romo was playing well enough, but that other areas of the team need to get better.
Sometimes what passes for “journalism” or “reporting” is pitiful. Just had to get that out there
Yeah, Calvin Watkins spun the quotes around.
by BrickTop on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Man i really wish Ratliff would've whipped his ass.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 24, 2012 7:40 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Calvin Watkins and that one guy Jean Jacque whatever.. I can go on, but those two I cannot stand the most.
by BrickTop on Jan 24, 2012 7:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They're all hacks. Why do you bother wasting time on them, just come here and get the good stuff.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Thanks, pfloyd.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Journalism, advertising and prospective employers.
All of their rules need to be tightened up, IMHO. SOPA and PIPA are going to bust the average Joe’s cojones, but Watkins, which is ABC, can spin things however they want. When will our leaders grow up, or we demand better?
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
What?
what?
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
Huh?
Sorry, you may show up to talk smack; and I’m not mad at you because I made a political comment on a non-political board. But my point is simply that I see a lot of mainstream sports media twisting things to sell concepts, products and prospects.
If you have an intelligent rebuttal, I would love to talk.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
What's even funnier is one of the comments someone wrote.
In essence they said that the hated the “America’s Team” label and said it was brought in by Jerry Jones and that’s why Landry left.
it was coined by NFL Films
And it was based upon the Cowboys selling the most (by far ) merchandise.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Nope it was coined by Bob Ryan, who then worked at NFL Flims
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Landry left as part of the sale of the Cowboys to Jerry.
It was part of the deal when he bought the team that Jerry would have to fire Landry as the old owner didn’t want to.
It was well known that when Jerry bought a team Jimmy would be his HC. It wasn’t personal to Landry, just the HC spot was already taken.
Yep, I have made
that point a few times myself. Bum Bright hated Landry and made Jerry do the tough part of the deal. Although I have to admit, Jerry might have fired him anyway, but he had no choice.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Where are those Packer fans that were calling for a reissue of the Cowboy's 'America's Team' nickname to the Pack.
One of the Pack fan members of my garden club said that the Packers should be America’s Team. I asked her if all SB champions should get to corral every other team’s nicknames. Like, maybe Rogers could be ‘Captain Comeback’, the DBs the Killer Bees’, the DL, ‘The Fearsome Foursome’, the OL, ‘The Hogs’ etc etc.
Now that the Packers lost, we can wait for the next attack on the America’s Team moniker in about two weeks.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
Romo did extremely well in my opinion from the Pats game to the end of the season
He minimized his own mistakes, didn’t try to force all kinds of strange things, and I think it showed. I think thats why we stay competitive when our own defense wasn’t getting turn overs like it previously was.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
No - that's not even close
Eli was the difference in the 2 games… this has nothing to do with Romo and everything to do with Terrance… I mean Eli. It was a compliment to Eli’s play – he’s not making mistakes and he’s making big plays. The Cowboys problem was Eli, that’s why they lost.
The off-season will be trying to figure out a way to stop Eli, better pressure up-front. A better secondary, upgrades on Abe and TNew for sure. Scandrick, Sensi and Jenkins are staying put. There’s only 2 guys that can move… also don’t see Coleman and Spears positions as being all that stable.
I think the pic is Jerry saying
we are going to take two corners in this drafts
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
Very possible
Having two rookies, bringing up Butler to the 53 man roster, and hopefully getting a new vet to add then that could be a completely different secondary from last year.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I agree w/ Mayock re: Courtney Upshaw
I don’t think he’s “sudden” enough to be a dynamic OLB. Great instincts and good closing speed, but doesn’t have that elite first step that you need/ want in a first round pass rusher.
In other words Upshaw=Spencer v. 2.0
So, interesting idea to move him inside. I wonder if he got that idea from NFL scouting types?
Man, Upshaw looked quick in the title game.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
LSU's oline would make Spencer look quick
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 10:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
yes. none of those guys are very good at pass protection
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Most scouts see Upshaw as more of an ILB
He is looking great at Senior Bowl practices
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I agree. Upshaw looks out of place playing on the edge.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of looking good at the Senior Bowl practices.........
I just read Weeden looks great.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
He is doing very well
Due to his age he is not someone a team will take and invest the time to make him a starter, but there are a number of teams who are set starter with a stable coaching staff that will look to draft him as their backup QB.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I was thinking he might be a starter day one on a team like Miami or Washington.
If he’s as polished as they say, he might do ok. Really no time to waste at his age.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
That's the only reason to draft him. He'd have to start soon if you invest the pick.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I think I may still be able to start for Washington or Miami
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
if we are gonna grab an ILB, id rather take hightower than upshaw.
much more versatile and a better overall LB
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
Nicks + DeCastro = Good to go
I mentioned this in my very first post last night, but it was deep into the thread so I thought it couldn’t hurt to mention it again in an effort to generate more discussion.
Why not try to sign Nicks and draft DeCastro and then use rounds 2-7 on defense? Our offense would be virtually set and another year building the defense should get us close.
Maybe I’m dreaming.
by staubachistan on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
My Dream is your scenario.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I like it
Only I might lean a little more toward center (Meyers, Wells, etc.) than guard (Nicks) in free agency for several reasons. First, center was by far the weakest link along the line, and it’s easier to find/develop a quality guard than a dominant player to man the pivot. Second, with the money Dallas will save signing Meyers/Wells over Nicks they can put toward replacing Newman and/or signing an elite pass rusher.
by dacolan on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I could live with that too, my main priority is to protect Tony and Draft DeCastro if he's there at #14.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
If DeCastro is still on the board at #14 he's likely the BPA.
It would be foolish to pick a lower rated player at another position of need simply because you signed a C/OG in free agency.
Meyers/Wells + DeCastro + one of Arkin/Costa/Kowalski/Nagy developing = a big time improvement of the ’Boys interior OL.
Yep, imagine Tony not having to run for his life in order to make plays. When was the last time you saw that.
We treat our franchise player as if he were Sponge Bob.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
The last time would be
I don’t know. I’ve only seen him since he joined the Cowboys.
second string water boy
Yup this is what Ive been saying too.
Get FA C use the money you save and put it towards the best FA D player for our needs CB/OLB/DE whatever.
Then draft DeCastro and the best D player in the 2nd and boom superbowl
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
My sentiments exactly Ham!!
40yr fan who loves his Lord and Savior,Beautiful Wife,kids and 2 Pits,America,and Americas Team.
Searching for at least 2 more Super Bowl wins and more kool-aid.
Totally excited about new coaches and this teams future.
by NVCowboy4Life on Jan 24, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Upshaw is listed as an OLB, not ILB
Mayock lumped OLB/ILB together, not DE/OLB. This is how he ranked LB’s according to rotoworld
Linebackers
1. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
2. Luke Kuechly*, Boston College
3. Dont’a Hightower*, Alabama
4. Zach Brown, North Carolina
5. Vontaze Burfict*, Arizona State
Wouldn't mind Hightower if he slides to the third.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Hightower is an athlete he won't be around when we pick in the second
Wes keeps talking about what a dynamic athlete he is, if he blows up the combine, he could very well go before kuechly. I just can’t get excited about kuechly, seems like a poor man’s Sean lee. He’s slow and not that great at the point of attack.
by matt575 on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're probably right, but I can dream.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Just can't draft him higher than the third because I think I'd have similarly rated or more highly rated players available at positions of need in the second.
I’d consider trading up to get him if he fell into the bottom of the second.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Brockers
I wouldn’t read too much into Brockers being 3rd right now. Often times juniors start out a bit low in Mayock’s lists and then move up as he watches more tape on them. The best example was a few years ago when Jerod Mayo did not appear in Mayock’s first several top 5’s.
What happened to my post?
Sheesh! Was my second ever post that bad that it got deleted?
I think Jerry goes D in the 1st.
CB huge need or OLB especially if Spencer isn’t resigned.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
My question for that scenerio
is this…..
How much of a drop off is there between a Corner at 14 and one in the 2nd round? Isnt this a bumper crop of DB’s and if you dont get the top 2, (Which probably wont be there at 14), then why not wait until the 2nd round?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
depends on who's there at14 and where he is on their board
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
it seems at this juncture that the quality at CB will be significantly higher in round two
than the quality at OLB/ DE…
kinda the opposite of the 2011 draft…
Then to me
it makes perfect sense to get DeCastro and get our Corner in round 2. Yes?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Sure DeCastro also probably satisfies BPA.
Here is one possible way for a draft and free agency to play out
1. DeCastro
2. Gillmore (trade up) burn 6th seventh
3. Chandler Jones (trade up ) burn 5th
4.BPA
5 supplemental BPA
Free agency
Keep Robinson,
keep Spencer
sign DE Jason Jones
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody watching SeniorBowl practice?
by BrickTop on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions
where can you watch it?
Online or tv?