Why Laron Landry could be a good fit for us
by Ihatethesaints on Jan 25, 2012 1:15 PM CST
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PrintLet me start by saying I see the negatives in acquiring Landry. We will have to open up the checkbook for him and Landry has had a problem with staying healthy the last couple of seasons, but in order to obtain elite talent you have to pay for it. Some of the problems I had with Abe Elam was the fact that he didn't make enough plays for us and the fact that he was brought in to help communication in our secondary and well we saw how that went.
Let's start with some of the physical reasons why I like Landry. The guy is 6'1 220 lbs, he ran a 4.3 in 40 yard dash, and he also has a 38 inch vertical. That my friends is a freak of nature you won't acquire a safety like that in this years draft and won't find a better safety in the free agency pool this year either. I know some of you will argue why not Michael Griffin and my argument will be you have the opportunity to take a great player from a division rival who you play two times a year and in addition to that Landry is also familiar with the division considering he has played in it since arriving in the NFL. I know Griffin is a Longhorn alumni, but has that really helped us in recent years. ex. Roy Williams and Leonard Davis
Anyone that looked at the cowboys play this year, can agree that the area we need the biggest upgrade in is the secondary. This is a step into the right direction, Laron is fast, strong, and physical. He is great in run support and is very intimidating to opposing receivers. He can play both safety positions, but I think he will be better suited at ss where he has that freedom to roam the field and just causing havoc in Rob Ryan's scheme. His most important trait that intrigues me toward him is his mean streak. He's real physical and he likes to try and get into the opposing teams head, we don't have no one like that on our team. You can say what you want about Ken Hamlin, but I liked that about him how he would lay you out and would get into your face each and every play.
Honestly who does opposing teams fear on our team besides Ware and Ratliff, I'll wait for it no one. I'm not saying Landry is the answer to all our problems, but he is a step into the right direction. Obviously we still would need to draft some corners to help this secondary, but I feel Landry's upside outweighs his downside. This is the NFL you can't guarantee a player will not get injured, all you can do is provide an offseason training program for them and hope to minimize major injuries from happening during the season. Don't you guys miss the days of having a player like Darren Woodson or Brock Marion in your secondary. Oh and did I mention he is only 27 so this guy is right now just hitting his prime. One last thought wouldn't you rather seeing this guy hitting opposing players rather then our own see video.
Laron Landry with a Nasty hit on Laurent Robinson (9-26-2011) (via RedskinsNationHAIL)
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If he were healthy, I'd love to have him, but paying top dollar to someone with his history is risky.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Understandable
It was just a thought, but hopefully in the next month we would know how much his health has improved. I just see him being a big upgrade from what we have, and I mainly like the attitude he brings to the defense.
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by Ihatethesaints on Jan 25, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I think Landry is a great guy and a hell of a player bu,
He does have a significant Achilles tendon injury. Only 64% of NFL players return to play after this injury. He was advised to have surgery by the teams doctors but he is choosing nonoperative rehabilitation. The average length of rehab time for an NFL player with this type of injury is 11 months. It was only yesterday that he made the choice for nonoprative procedure, which means he would probably not be ready to even start practicing until late December 2012. Even at that point he could as much much as a 50% loss of in power rating which is the average for returning players. Of players that return the average playing time is a little over 6 games a season over the next 3 seasons.
I would advise against picking him up.
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Agreed
Hopefully in the next couple weeks he will know more about how his achilles is doing. I guess what I’m really hoping for is a situation similar to Carlos Rogers, signing with another team and having a pro bowl year.
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by Ihatethesaints on Jan 25, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
You said it there BD
this is a horrific injury. I do not think he will physically be the same player. I had a friend that used to play for the falcons that had a similar catastrophic injury… he never regained the same level of burst that he had pre-injury.
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 25, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Why the crush on Landry?
The guy is almost worthless in coverage and generally takes awful angles to meet receivers. His biggest weapon — delivering a bone-crunching hit — is quickly becoming disfavored by NFL rules.
The Cowboys will be much, much better off investing in a safety that has coverage skills.
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 25, 2012 2:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
no crush
Even though I have had the pleasure of watching him since his days in high school, there’s no crush lol. You do mention his cover issues and taking bad angles which I have observed, but I can say the same things about pretty much all safeties. Landry did play for Saban in college and one thing about a playing for Saban’s secondary is you won’t be playing if you can’t cover. If he did somehow come to us I would imagine them putting him at strong safety and using him like Pitt uses Troy or even how Gregg Williams used Roman Harper in his defense close to the line, blitz him a lot, and have him help out on covering the tight ends
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by Ihatethesaints on Jan 25, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
A safety is an important part of a rush defense
Our defensive backs like to stand around the pile and let the linebackers bring down the ball carrier (remember the Giants game where Sensabaugh was standing around with his hands in his pockets when the ball got fumbled near the goal line — he was so disinterested in the entire process that it took a couple ticks for him to realize the ball was even out).
Laying the wood on RBs causes fumbles, and getting more turnovers is something our defense desperately needs to get better at.
FYI — you can still deliver a bone-crunching hit. You just cannot hit high or hit them when they are defenseless.
No crush
Even though I have had the pleasure of watching him since his days in high school, there’s no crush lol. You do mention his cover issues and taking bad angles which I have observed, but I can say the same things about pretty much all safeties. Landry did play for Saban in college and one thing about a playing for Saban’s secondary is you won’t be playing if you can’t cover. If he did somehow come to us I would imagine them putting him at strong safety and using him like Pitt uses Troy or even how Gregg Williams used Roman Harper in his defense close to the line, blitz him a lot, and have him help out on covering the tight ends
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I like Landry but...
He’d just be too expensive for a health risk like him. I’m as big a proponent of boosting the secondary as anyone, but I think our cap space would be better spent on a solid, if unspectacular safety for now, and focus the rest of our offseason attention on 1. a CB 2. the interior line and 3. Another above-average pass rusher.
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I would lick to sign Griffin, Nicks and a solid CB.
Resign AA to a cheap three year deal, Robinson, and a backup ILB. Finish the rest in the draft.
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by mho on Jan 25, 2012 3:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Been there, done that.
our cap space would be better spent on a solid, if unspectacular safety for now
We’ve had a lot of unspectacular safeties playing for the Cowboys and the results speak for themselves. Plus, a solid, unspectacular CB is still going to cost a pretty penney. Same thing with an above-average pass rusher. Good ones cost a lot of money.
Sure, but we can save if we go for a CB and/or Rusher in the draft
It’s more of a gamble, admittedly, but there are a good number of CB’s worth looking at and some quality rushers too. Give me a world-beater at corner and a dependable guy at safety who can help in coverage and I’d be much more relieved than the other way around.
Plus again, even if we were to spend money on a safety, Landry isn’t the guy to open the checkbook for, especially when we need help in a lot of places on D, not just a few.
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by CowboyinExile on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
landry has already showed he's just good playing in the box and similar roles
that’s exactly what this team doesn’t need, this team needs guys who can cover, laron would be just a younger and slightly better roy williams, a beast to stop the run and lay the wood but liability in coverage
He's definitely worth a look
I wrote a couple weeks back that I thought he was worth signing at the right price. His downside is obvious — he needs to stay healthy. Also, as people pointed out above, an Achilles injury is one that is hard to come back from – I just read that he still isn’t sure about surgery. FYI – if he does have surgery, he’ll be lucky to make it back for the beginning of the season. Another downside is that he gets lost in coverage (he is particularly susceptible to double moves). Another downside, which I completely forgotten about, is that he is a bit of a knucklehead (think Martellus Bennett but with a meaner attitude).
He has a lot of upside. He is not afraid of hitting anybody. In fact, he relishes the opportunity to give somebody a good hit. If Sensabaugh had half Landry’s desire to hit somebody, Sensabaugh would be a perennial Pro-Bowl player. He is athletic and fast – although he’ll probably lose some of that because of his injury. Also, he is just entering the prime of his career. I think his attitude would make huge difference to our secondary.
Besides Carl Nicks, Landry would be the second “big ticket” signing I would like to see the Cowboys make (not including signing some of our own free agents, e.g., Laurent Robinson).
Somebody mentioned Carlos Rodgers and I think that is a good comparison. Both Landry and Rodgers were very high first round draft picks (9th and 6th, respectively) for Washington. The Redskins desperately need a QB so they might be saving their money for one (not sure who – maybe they’ll want to get into the P. Manning sweepstakes).
I wouldn’t mind seeing Landry as strong safety and Sensabaugh as free safety.
right
My thoughts exactly, I don’t think they understand the type of impact a tenacious player like this could have on your entire secondary. Imagine if we could somehow sign him and Nicks, they would help both units out a lot.
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by Ihatethesaints on Jan 26, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Imagine if we could somehow sign him and Nicks, they would help both units out a lot.
If we sign those two and Laurent, I think that is the best we can reasonable hope for out of free agency.
by Conn Cowboy on Jan 27, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
My FA wish list
DB: CB: Finnegan or Rodgers. Safety: Griffin or Goldson.
OL: Nicks
Get it done
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 25, 2012 4:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Do we honestly
have the money for all three? I don’t know nfl salaries, but is getting three of these guys possible?
by BrickTop on Jan 25, 2012 5:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No ...
A really good corner is going to run you about 8-10M/year.
Jahri Evans of the Saints got a 7 year $56.7M contract and Nicks is considered better than Evans.
Griffin might join Finnegan and head to St. Louis to reunite with Fisher. As for Goldson, I’ve read where he is vastly over-rated. Weddle set the bar for safeties last year at 5 years and $40M.
Two of those players will eat up a good portion of our salary cap and leave little to filling in the gaps. Three top-notch players just isn’t possible.
I wasn't being serious
I think one or two of those guys in FA we could do.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I'd rather get at least one in FA
so we can go BPA in the draft. I don’t want to be hamstrung by need in the draft. If Nicks leaves (and we get him) and we get one of the CBs mentioned, I’ll be a happy camper.
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could always go Decastro round one
Jenkins round two ( trade down to get him)
Chandler Jones round round three (trade down to get him)
In FA Carl Nix
Jason Jones ( of course I would rather have Mario Williams here, but I don’t think he i s leaving Houston.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 27, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
that's true but we could also use more than one new CB
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Trade down in the first draft
Dre kirkpatrick
then
trade up for a high
second round pick
take Jenkins
We might be able to get both of them.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 25, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
you cant trade back and get kirk.
by matt575 on Jan 26, 2012 5:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Against drafting both
I don’t have a problem with Kirkpatrick or Jenkins being on the team, but I feel like drafting both players would be just a problem waiting to happen. Not only do both of these guys have their off the field issues, but their problems are pretty much the same. If you bring in two rookies that play the same position, they are going to obviously hang out and become close friends and that just seems like trouble waiting to happen to me. Could I be wrong and could they possibly become one of the best cb tandems we have ever seen yeah, but I really doubt it
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by Ihatethesaints on Jan 26, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed in taking two CBs like that is a bit risky
esp when we can get one in FA. I also hate the Saints and hope we can steal Nicks away.
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agreed
Yeah it sucks to stay in Louisiana and your favorite team is the Cowboys, but glad to see a fellow Lsu fan alslo
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by Ihatethesaints on Jan 27, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
there's quite a few LSU fans on BTB fortunately
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save our FA for Carl Nix and Jason Jones
Get the CBs in the draft
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 27, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Landry, Finnegan, Rodgers, Griffin, Goldson et al
I think we should always pursue people named Landry regardless of talent or need just for The Hat. I do NOT want Finnegan because he is a punk. He is not the type of player Garrett is looking for and I like the RKG mentality. If we are gonna try to reform someone, I would prefer it be someone from the college ranks. I agree that Landry’s injury is prohibitive. I like Goldson, but I need to research Griffin more.
As always, the last 5 minutes of your life are non-refundable.
Landry won't be cheap.....
He’s a Polamaau clone when he’s healthy and if he can play he won’t be cheap.
It would be best to sign a guard in free agency (Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs are ideal) then draft a CB in the first and OLB in the second or vice versa.
Thanks but no thanks...
I would rather stick with Elam another year then draft for the position next year… Even though the secondary was bad last year, I think that it was more the CB’s than it was the safety position. I am not as hard on Sensabaugh or Elam as you guys are. I honestly think we have bigger holes to fill than the safety position.
Also, thanks but no thanks on Kirkpatrick. I would rather get Carr and draft a CB or 2. It wouldn’t break my heart if we got Finnegan, but I would rather use the money on a guard. I am not the biggest fan of dropping the bank for Williams. His injury history is what keeps me away from picking him. The amount of money that we would have to pay him to get him is just not worth it in my book.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Someone on the board who could give great insight to the injury is BlueNSilverBlood
He would be the go to guy on this stuff.
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How was that not a penalty for hitting a defenseless receiver?
To this day it boggles my mind.
by mahuebel on Jan 26, 2012 12:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
honestly I thought that at first during the game, but when I watched the replay
I think its the way he hit him
he really didnt lay his shoulder into him or go after his head
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Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I would kill to get this guy on our team
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 10:57 AM CST reply actions
First off guys
easy with the catastrophic injury deal….He has bone spurs that have to be shaved down because they rub on the tendon…..its not structural to the tendon….2 he’s not gonna get big money on the market…..he’s already said that he knows he’ll be on a 1 yr deal where ever it is because he wouldn’t go under the knife…The skins wont sign him back because they told him to have the surgery like the doctors told him was best..and he refused to…is he better then what we have …yes….is he long term ….ehhhhh probably not.. but id love to have him suit up if for nothing else( not to miss a spot on tackle on a rb at the 5 yrd line)
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