Cowboys Busy With Player Interviews At Senior Bowl
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 PM CST
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The Cowboys, like every other NFL team, use the time they spend at the Senior Bowl not just to look at practices, but also to speak with players. Many of these interviews take place away from the prying eyes of nosy reporters, and we never hear about them. But some of the interviews do make their way into the public record, and we draftniks take meticulous note of every real, purported or imagined interview.
After all, four players who attended last year's Senior Bowl are currently on the Cowboys roster: running back DeMarco Murray, offensive lineman Kevin Kowalski, wide receiver Dwayne Harris and kicker Kai Forbath all made their way to Mobile, Alabama last year. Chances are that some of the players the Cowboys have taken an interest in will wear the Star next season.
After a thorough search of the interwebs, we have the names of twelve players we are fairly sure the Cowboys talked to, and three more names the Cowboys may or may not have talked to. All will be revealed after the break.
The table below provides an overview of the 15 players. They are ranked by their position on the CBSSports big board, with their ranking on the National Football Post's big board thrown in for good measure. The column at the end provides a link to the source reporting the interview.
| Player | Position | School | CBSSports | NFP | Source |
| Alfonzo Dennard | CB | Nebraska | 17 | 26 | DMN, Jan 25. |
| Melvin Ingram | OLB | South Carolina | 19 | 23 | DMN, Jan 25. |
| Courtney Upshaw | OLB | Alabama | 20 | 34 | DMN, Jan 24. |
| Janoris Jenkins* | CB | North Alabama | 27 | 44 | ESPN, Jan 24. |
| Kelechi Osemele* | G | Iowa State | 43 | 24 | DMN, Jan 25. |
| Nick Foles | QB | Arizona | 50 | 74 | Walterfootball |
| Kevin Zeitler | G/C | Wisconsin | 53 | 54 | DMN, Jan 25. |
| Ben Jones | C | Georgia | 65 | 38 | DMN, Jan 25. |
| Cam Johnson | DE | Virginia | 76 | 93 | Walterfootball |
| Jamell Fleming | CB | Oklahoma | 120 | 43 | DMN, Jan 25. |
| Brandon Weeden* | QB | Oklahoma State | 123 | 94 | ESPN, Jan 25. |
| Terrance Ganaway | RB | Baylor | 152 | 238 | JimmyK |
| Joe Adams | WR | Arkansas | 155 | 73 | JimmyK |
| Jake Bequette | DE/OLB | Arkansas | 160 | 146 | JimmyK |
| Travaris Cadet | RB | Appalachian State | 538 | - - | Travaris Cadet |
(*) denotes the three players that may or may not have talked to the Cowboys. It was initially reported that Janoris Jenkins had met with the Cowboys. This was later revised to read that a meeting was scheduled, but there's no confirmation of that meeting ever having happened. Brandon George from the DMN confirms that the Cowboys talked to linemen Zeitler and Jones, but that Osemele "declined to say whether he had talked to the Cowboys." There are also conflicting reports about the level of contact the Cowboys had with Weeden. Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas writes the Cowboys conducted an interview with Weeden, while Brandon George from the DMN writes that Weeden merely filled out a questionnaire for the Cowboys.
Regardless of which interviews actually transpired, it's interesting to note that of the 15 players above, three each are corners, rushers and interior linemen, all positions that are widely felt to be the greatest areas of need for the Cowboys.
And if the CBS Big Board is anything to go by, the Cowboys first pick could be either a corner or a pass rusher, while they may be looking at shoring up the interior offensive line in the second round.
Then again, that hypothesis could disappear into thin air if you discount the Jenkins interview as never having happened and buy into what Tony Pauline has to say about Alfonzo Dennard on SI.com:
CB Alfonzo Dennard of Nebraska leaves Mobile with a draft grade much lower than when he arrived. Dennard was stiff and struggled all week. The projected first-rounder was beaten by receivers who are likely last-day picks. While it's a bit premature, some scouts on hand say Dennard may have to move inside to safety, a thought that could further depress his draft stock.
Of course, given the absence of underclassmen at the Senior Bowl, reading anything into which players the Cowboys interviewed may be akin to reading tea leaves, coffee grounds or wine sediments. Then again, I'm told there are people who believe in that stuff, so make what you will of the list above.
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they need to interview the CRAP out of...
Upshaw, Jenkins and Osemele for starters
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 26, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions
looks like the plan is
rd 1 Upshaw or Ingram if both gone than CB
rd 2 O-line
rd 3 CB or OLB depending on rd 1 pick
There's still a long way to go
and a lot of evaluating to do over the next 3 months. But I agree that that’s where the focus seems to be as of now.
I don't care about being America's Team. I care about being America's BEST team.
by BWareofDWare on Jan 26, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Terry, I agree,
ij JG has control of the draft, we only have last years draft to go by.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
JG doesn't have controll of the draft.
He has input, but Jerry has the hammer.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Jerry will listen to Garrett
If Garrett wants a player, Jerry will give him who he wants
In Romo we Trust
Jerry hasn't changed.
If you remember the last Philly game, you know he hasn’t. Playing Romo wasn’t a decision JG could make by himself. Jerry had to come down and help, give me a effin break Jerry.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
We were down 10-0; the giants already lost; and romo wrekced his hand
It made semse to throw the game
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I mean already won
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
You think JG didn't know that?
Jerry is Jerry, he can’t help the meddling.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
How does anyone KNOW for sure
that Jerry has the hammer? I honestly think it’s a group consensus model where even if JJ likes a guy and noone else does, then they DON’T draft him and vice versa.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 26, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly thought that We had covered this:
Dallas follows their Board, unless someone “sells” a player.
one one in the room has more “weight” than any other. If you can convince the majority, then your guy gets picked if not, the Board rules…
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We have, but kicking Jerry is a way to pass the time.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
by DIRE WOLF on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
I'm actually going to rec this
because its completely honest.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
ME too
I laughed…
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Poor Jerry
He can’t win even if he wins the SB I fear.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
If he wins a SB, I'll shut up about him.
I promise.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
hasn't he won 3?
I know I know. Jimmy did it all by himself.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry says he has the final decision, it's no secret.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
He has the
final say in case of a tie…..if there is no clear concensus.
I might point out that there have been twice that Jerry has said he has transferred that “final say in case of a tie” TWICE since he has owned the team.
Once to Jimmy, (Jimmy says that Final Say was written into his contract and some misread that to say Jimmy had the GM duties, even thou he didnt), and then to Garrett.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
So you're saying the concensus of the scouts and coaches
was to draft Quincy in the 2nd round?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Yep, because Jerry
was able to sell it. If there arent good enough arguments against anyone trying to sell “their” guy, then even Jerry gets to state his case.
Carter was drafted a round too high, but sometimes it is so hard to find your next franchise QB, that if someone has the guts to sell someone that has potential, and Carter did have the potential to be much better than he turned out because he couldnt/wouldnt say away from the “pixie dust”. Hindsight is sure wonderful……
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Carter was drafted 7 rounds too "HIGH".
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Looking back at what we know now,
I agree with that, but Kiper, et al, said at the time, (*if my memory serves me, but then sometimes I only open my mouth to change feet), that he should have gone a round later.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
The key thing to remember here
is that Jerry didnt just “order” it, he “sold” it, and there in lies the big difference in the incorrect perception of Jerry being a meddler.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
What coach is going to tell his gm....
incorrect perception of Jerry being a meddler
.
let’s have a special teams draft ?
Wade: Jerry I think you should trade down and then trade down again and let’s have a special teams draft.
Jerry: Ok Wade , we can do that.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you Tyrone
That’s what I’ve read as well. I think they let the scouts lead, and then build consensus. Jones is the final arbiter if they diagree, although from his pronouncements, he would listen if Garrett felt strongly that he did not want a certain player. From his Dad’s scout background, I highly doubt Garrett will be at odds with the scouting department as Wade Phillips reportedly was.
Don't believe everything you think.
EXACTLY!!!!
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Not true, thats not what happened
Garrett could have done anything he wanted to regarding Romo playing or not, Jerry just came down to the field to make sure Garrett knew that the Giants had beat the Jets so this game meant nothing.
It’s a myth that Jerry came down to tell Garrett not to play Romo…Garrett already knew what he was going to do in that scenario.
In Romo we Trust
Myth?
Jerry said JG didn’t need to make the dicision on Romo by himself.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
haha
Like “Lassie” in the movie Porky’s…
by reoninja on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kim Catrell
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Jan 26, 2012 5:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOL,
Jerry had to come down from his palace in the sky to tell Garrett the Giants lost. You got to do better than that Terry. I think Cowboy Stadium has scoreboards with updates on NFL games.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
If you believe JJ then, no one is on the roster unless JG says so. Now that doesn't mean that
JJ has no input, but last year’s draft had JG’s finger prints on it.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Final decision...........Jerry Jones
Jimmy was the only other person to make the final decision on draft day. He was the first and the last as long as Jerry is around.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Agree with you, but I believe it's a rubber stamp final decision. At least that's what I'm hoping it is.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Jerry sold Terry some ocean front property in Idaho.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
You are kidding yourself if you do not think that every owner in the NFL does not have final say. Jerry is not the only one.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
God I love it when BD26 chimes in on this stuff.
An informed opinion.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Not like Jerry IMO
except Al and he’s dead now
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Bob Kraft, the Rooneys, Dan Snyder, Steve Biscioti, Pat Bolen, Robert Mcnair
They are all in the war room and very involved. Hell Jim Irsay just fired his front office and his coaches and making the choice to draft Luck. I know very few owners who are not very involved with the draft. If I am an owner and going to give a kid millions of dollars, I want final say.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Snyder and Irsay are idiots.
The big difference is the GM.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Plus, I doubt they are ivvolved to the point Jerry is.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
It does make me laugh that no one has crucified the Rooneys for forcing out Bruce Arians as OC.
All because the owner wants to run the ball more. That is as bad, if not worse than anything Jerry has done in the last ten years.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Because everything Pittsburgh does smells like roses to ESPN.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Why did they get rid of him anyways?
Seems to me they’ve had a pretty good offense the last few years.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
The owner was miffed at the increased throwing of the ball.
He believes the Steelers have an identity as a running team and wants to return to that.
Of course, he is insane for thinking that considering the Steelers have a top ten QB, but whatever. Anything that is bad for the Steelers is good for me.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Wow, I didn't hear that, heck living in PA I didn't hear that.
Wow that is stupid. I was congratulating Pitt to adjust on the fly and so fast like they did to become a great passing offense. Wow now they want to throw that all away, Wallace, AB.. shame.
But you are right the Steelers are the holy ones while the Cowboys are the demons.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
The Steelers went
26 years between their 4th and 5th Superbowl (1979 – 2005)
And yet all we here is how it has been 17 years since our last Superbowl Win.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Model....Smodle
Franchise…my foot!
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
The Steelers were the doormat of the NFL
until Chuck Knolls came along in 1969.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
didnt they hire within to keep the same "offense"
playcalling might change but Big Ben didnt want a different system from what i heard/read.
Big Bens going to throw the ball & with that recieving core that could be a good thing imo.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I actually haven't read that, but initial reports
indicated that Arians was forced out by the owner. Arians seemed to confirm that in an interview. So, I suppose the system could stay the same, but the OC changing at the behest of the owner over perceived football issues sounds a lot like Jerry.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Love the Cowboys, but hate Jerry Jones
Rooneys 6 super bowls Jerry 3… Give me the Rooneys. Jerry Jones stinks, he’s the worst kind of owner because he doesn’t have to be successful on the football field to be successful on the business side. Jerry Jones is a selfish fool. Hiring a good GM would probably have prevented this terrible streak of 1 playoff win in the last 14 years??? If all he did was force out an offensive coordinator I would have very little to complain about.
You sir, do not know anything about Football operations do you?
17 years yadda yadda…… We’re still the most valuable Sports Franchise this side of the Atlantic. You still think JJ stinks? He has more business acumen then you could hope to attain in ten lifetimes.
Please
Ever since Parcells was HC they’ve been pretty competitive. They were up until 1998 too in the 90s.
Well this is stupid for a number of reasons, nut the biggest would be...
The guy that owned the Steelers in the 70s isn’t the same guy that owns them today. The guy that’s running them today has two Super Bowls. The Rooneys have owned the Steelers since 1933, so maybe in 60 years the Cowboys will have another three rocks.
Pittsburgh owner just personally fired the offensive coordinator,
and that hardly warranted a mention anywhere.
Imagine if Jerry had done that. Total pandemonium would ensue.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah that was Dan Rooney
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Kind of like the pandemonium when Jerry hired an OC
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
He said in an interview that he was forced to "retire" by the organization.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Wow. I should have just scrolled down.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
holy cow. Of course this doesn't get coverage.
I would love to hear what Ben and Tomlin think. Hasn’t he been the OC since Ben?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
no Ben's first OC
is the desposed Arizona HC
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 26, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
He wasn't fired, they didn't renue his contract.
Big Ben is pissed.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Here’s PFT:
Although the official company line on the departure of Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians is that he retired, it’s been widely reported that he was actually forced out by Steelers owner Art Rooney II.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 26, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Are the steelers trying to get back to 3 yrds and a cloud of dust?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I don't see them going too far back to that paradigm...
They have a QB who does nothing but win, and a very talented receiving corps. I do see that the Steelers had kind of lost their ability to control the LOS, though.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 26, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not doubting he was forced out, but he wasn't fired.
He wasn’t offered a new contract, like Campo.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
wasn't he like 70+ years old & decided to retire?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Jerry and Mike Brown are the 2 that actually think they are football men.
Look at both teams. Look at all the idiots that both teams have signed. Look at all the playoff wins between the two eams in the last 12 years.
Ok well that didn’t take long.
Bud Adams though did demand that Fisher take Vince.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Football men is
a “catchall phrase” that is meaningless without a definition to go along with it.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
JG may decide who makes the final roster, "but I really doubt that too"
Jerry makes the final decision on the draft.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
That would really suck!
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
How do you know?
Because Jerry said, I’m looking at his history, that tells me he’s the same old Jerry.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
because of what happened last season
Garrett’s fingerprints were all over every move we made. Jerry knows he needs a real football guy making the decisions regarding player personnel.
In Romo we Trust
You don't know? In Jerry's mind he is a football man and a damn good one.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
What makes someone a football man?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Good Question.
But whatever it is, Jerry aint got it.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Would you say Bill Belichick is a football man ?
Yea that’s what I thought. It ain’t hard.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
But Belichick is
not a GM, he is the HeadCoach.
To me there are three choices when an owner buys a team.
1. Turn it over to a manager who listens to the people below him and then goes by concensus.
2. Turn it over to a manager who listens to the people below him and then does what he wants.
3. Turn it over to a guy who thinks he knows it all and doesnt listen to the people below him.
Jerry is the first one, and I consider it a guy who is a football man, because his management style is the correct one….ie, many heads are better than one.
Many would like to see Jerry turn over the GM duties to someone who fits #2, or #3.
I think that would be the wrong choice.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Then what's happened since Jimmy left?
Jerry and Berry won one with mostly Jimmy’s players and assts coaches, since then one playoff victory. Is that what you consider a good job?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Not fair,
Jimmy didnt hire the Scouting Department, and Jerry got Haley and Deion Sanders, not Jimmy.
The GM’s duties are as follows: (Not Inclusive)
1. Hire good Head Coaches:
a. Jimmy Johnson
b. Bill Parcells
c. Chan Gailey
d. Jason Garrett
- Note there were some real stinkers, but no GM is going to do a lot better than the 4 above.
2. Hire Good Scouts.
a Larry Lacewell, good for many years
b Jeff Ireland
c Tom Cisnowski (sp)
3. Make FA signings
a. Tony Romo
b. Miles Austin
c. T.O.
d. Charles Haley
e. Dion Sanders
f. Kile Kosier
g. Kieth Brooking
etc, etc
Of coarse there are the bad moves too, but try to tell anyone on here that any GM in the NFL doesnt have a long line of bad moves as well.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Oops, Actually
the heading for #3 should be:
3. Make FA Signings and Good Trades.
Haley was a trade, not a FA signing.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Would you hire Jerry as the GM if you owned a NFL team?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Couldn't afford him.
But I would see if he would consult on running the team.
I don’t think he is as inept or stupid as some. He has had some bad mistakes, but he finally seems to have a staff around him that he needs to succeed. I am pretty optimistic about the direction the team is going.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
I'm optimistic every summer,
and disappointed every winter. Jerry wants to win as bad as anyone in the league, spends the money to get players, pay the coaches well, has the nicest stadium in the world, but the one thing he won’t do is hire a GM to run the day to day football operations. The common denominator in the drought is the GM
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Charles Haley was not a FA
The Cowboys traded
2 and 3 to SF
for him
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 26, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry has too much on his plate
Managing his mortgage on the death star, marketing the team, his oil contracts. He needs a freaking GM with a blue print and the knowledge to make it work. If all it took was a good management style success would be much easier to come by.
maybe thats why we are hearing from stephen jones
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
by Final Frame on Jan 28, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
It is very hard
to do what Belichick does……so…..
“It anint easy” is more correct.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Apparently not devoting your life to it.
Jerry played in college, but he was a better businessman than lineman. He’s been involved with football for a long time. I don’t see what makes Bill “Bobby Carpenter” Parcells any better.
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by CotySaxman on Jan 26, 2012 2:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What do you have against Tuna, a soon to be HoF coach.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
This is what I have against Tuna
The Carpet Bagger came here with grandiose bravado and said he wamted to build a winner; then proceeds to mail in the 2004 and 2006 drafts, faught to keep Bledsoe as the starting QB; he quits on the team after they lost the playoff game in Seattle only to take a job in Miami, and then quits on Miami when the quick turnaround didn’t happen, but still insisting on getting paid.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Is tere anything wrong with what I said?
If we’re going to paraise and kiss his rings, we should also bring up his short comings.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Did he leave the team in better shape than when got here?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
So for his tenure I give him a C
Two failed drafts, quting on the team doesn’t sit well with me.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I give Campo an F
I give Wade a freaking D+
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
A
3 SBs 8 Division titles, 11 playoff births in 22 years is well is better than what the Giants, Redskins, 49ers have done. The only NFC teams to reach the playoffs more than the Cowboys since Jerry took over-Philly and GB, Dallas won more SBs than them in the same time span.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
A, really.
1 playoff win since 1996. I wish my teachers were as easy as you.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
by DIRE WOLF on Jan 26, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The zero is for Campo.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 27, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
T would indicate that he actually scored.
I give him a zero.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
F
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They lost vs the Hawks because of piss poor coaching.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 26, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
yup. parcells coached scared
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 26, 2012 6:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
See
You admit this yet give Jerry an F. I do agree that he holds on to some coaches for too long. Though, as far as faults go…giving a guy too much leash doesn’t sound like Jerry’s MO.
i was thinking the same thing lol
the Tuna is a legend & has his finger prints all over the NFL
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Tuna was a great motivator and
a really good manager, but as a talent evaluator, in my opinion he stinks.
He thought Spears was the better pick at 11, but since Ware was the concensus, thank God he couldnt sell that one.
Now, he was able to sell B. Carpenter, and a couple of failed O-Line guys, their names escape me at the moment. He also was a big meddler on the defensive side of the ball and he was horrible at that as well.
Zimmer wanted to go to the nickle against the 3 and 4 wide sets that Sean Payton threw at us, but Bill made him stay in the base defense and we started loosing a lot after teams saw we stayed in the base way too often.
Zimmer was pissed and hinted more than once that he wasnt able to run the defense because of the micro-manager Parcells.
That is my take on Parcells…..Great Motivator, great manager, but horrible as a talent evaluator and Defensive Coordinator.
How many SB’s does Parcells have without a guy Named Belichick as his DC?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
The same amount Jimmy does without Norv Turner
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
You can say the same thing about alot of coaches,
even the greatest of them all, Tom Landry.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Exactly,
Wins are a TEAM stat, not a head coach stat, but my point is so many people when asked about how good he is, they will invariably say, “Well he won superbowl(s).”
Yea, so did Trent Dilfer, but that doesnt make him a great QB.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Nothing, really.
He just receives disoroportional praise for what he did in Dallas. If Parcells is your legend, Jerry is your God. He gave Dallas everything it has since he bought the team. Praising Parcells while berating Jerry doesn’t convey logical thought. Therefore, when you thank Bill for getting us to the playoffs, to lose immediately, remember he also had some very notable gaffes which, in my opinion, outweigh his successes much like Wade’s.
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by CotySaxman on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where did I praise Tuna?
You don’t think he knows football, I do. As far as Jerry, I don’t think he runs the team correctly. His biggest problem is the GM. I was around during the Landry/Tex days, that’s the way to run a football team.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
So, exactly
what would the “right” GM do differently…..
Specifically, please.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
All I can tell you is it aint working with Jerry as GM.
Look at the record since 1996 and tell me he’s doing a good job. How many GMs would still have their jobs with Jerry’s record?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
by DIRE WOLF on Jan 26, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How many teams would hire a GM with 3 Super Bowls to his credit?
If Bill in NE goes stale for a decade and leaves New England, how many owners will call him up, cheating aside?
So Jerry could’ve been fired here, doesn’t mean he’d be out of the profession. How many current GMs have more rings than Jerry?
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by CotySaxman on Jan 27, 2012 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You didn't, originally.
It’s popular, though. “Jerry sucks, we need a real football man” usually implies “like Bill Parcells”… I just point out that he didn’t do much to help us, and his failures are more notable than his successes.
Jerry still averages more rings per season than Tex, not to mention having more rings and less seasons…If our next super bowl win is in 2058, Jerry will have the same success rate as Tex. Just saying.
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by CotySaxman on Jan 27, 2012 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
they also talked to QB Nick Foles. I’ll have it up shortly.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
interesting guy
idk we talked to him
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
you’re sure keeping me busy here :-)
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
whooooo?
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I like that they talked to all of these guys.
If we don’t draft DeCastro, there’s a decent chance the first pick will be one of these players.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I wish they had met with Coples
but perhaps, with Jerry talking a lot with Butch Davis this week, he felt he didn’t need to and wanted to focus their time on other players.
I don't care about being America's Team. I care about being America's BEST team.
Mixed on Coples, he has all the tools, but drive and desire and motor are so important. If he takes plays off,
I don’t want him.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
He takes plays off
He was a completely different player from his junior year to his senior year.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
In an interview on NFL Network
he said his bad senior year was due to learning a new position on the DL, as a NC fan, do you buy that?
In Romo we Trust
Maybe a little
His junior year he played DT. He was almost unstoppable inside. His senior year he played DE. But the problem to me seemed to be more about his hustle. He had good games against big time opponents and when the lights were on. He was just one of those guys that turned it on and off.
I have also heard some people say that he didn’t go all out because he was playing tenative trying not to get hurt like some of his teammates the year before. He watched guys like Bruce Carter and Deunta Williams get hurt and then there stock plummeted.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
But you don't know that for sure. You're relying on hearsay to make that assumption
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I covered that
His junior year he played DT. He was almost unstoppable inside. His senior year he played DE.
A new position can make a big difference. But it shouldn’t make a difference when it comes to hustle and playing every down. I’m not going by hearsay on that. I’m going by what I saw when I actually watched the games. Its only my opinion but its also a very informed opinion. I know my Tarheels.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd Paul
for this line:
Its only my opinion but its also a very informed opinion. I know my Tarheels.
I could make a sarcastic Commnent…but …nah… too easy
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
You can't leave me hanging like that
Please share the sarcastic comment. Especially if its that easy. I’m trying to figure it out but im stumped.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking of like:
" really? Never would have guessed"
or
I guess that is why Tarheel is your sceen name"
or something lame like that….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
That would gotten a slight chuckle.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I don't dispute you know your Tarheels, as I know my Aztecs
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
So who are you more proud of?
Marshall Faulk or Dan McGuire?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
of all the needs
Play making DE is at the top of the list along with CB
If the Cowboys had a real DE
Spencer would seem pretty good.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 26, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be sick if they got Coples
He would fit a need. I just have my doubts about him. If we get the guy that played during his Junior year then i’m on board.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
The thing is .
Ingram, Upshaw , Jonathan Mousui, Ronell Lewis.Perry Witley , They are all the same.
but there is only one 6-6 281 4.7 guy in the draft.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 26, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
not so fast
Chandler Jones
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I got my eye on him too.
I took Chandler Jones out of the list of LBs
Cause I think he is different.
Why can’t we get
Mario Williams
Decastro
Jenkins
Chandler Jones
This offseason?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
that wont happen
no way we land DeCastro Jenkins and Jones
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
we trade up
in round 2
and in round 3
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 26, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Lets hope that NFL GMs are as worried about character as the geezers here
JK to all the older fellas here, but seriously hope that NFL GMs think that Jenkins is the next Pac Man.
i really dont want him
I have concerns about his motor/drive and quitting on plays, basically the same stuff you are concerned about
what is interesting to me is that he is on the South team which is ran by Jim Hasslett on the defense, he is using Ingram as a 3-4 rush LB and using Coples as a DE on 4 man fronts and 3 man fronts, not using him as a 34 OLB
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
If you're talking about Coples
If he gets drafted by a 3-4 team then he will play DE. If I were a 4-3 team I would play him at DT just based on what I saw of him at UNC>
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I was in jr high when Marshall was drafted
But I’d list Faulk up there along with Az Hakim, LaRoi Glover, Kyle Turley in FB
In BB it has to be Kawhi Leonard of the Spurs
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Couldn't believe the way Leonard slipped last year in the NBA draft
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Ridiculous
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
How's he doing for the Spurs?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
pretty good
lately he’s fallen off a tad but he looks like a Marion type of do it all SF
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Pop likes to jerk his young players around
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Coples said the reason his production wemt down this year is because they had a new DL coach who switched him from the right side to the left side
Thus he was being asked to do different things. I watched his intsrview on NFL Network, and I heard Butch Davis speak about it on NFL Network during the Senior Bowl coverage.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
He wasn't taking plays off
That’s a pretty big accusation to levy on a guy without knowing first hand what was happening
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
TP watches all their games. So I don't think he's speculating on Coples.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I'm not specualting
I’ve seen all his games and I can tell when a guy is going all out and when he’s not. There absolutely were times when he wasn’t going 100%. I like Coples. He’s a really good kid. But im just telling you what I see. I’m not saying he won’t have a good career.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Is it possible that switching positions could lead to decline in production?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Sure it is.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
You weren't the only one Paul.
I have read scout reports saying the same thing. That it looked like he was playing to not get hurt and not going all out.
Anyone remember
who they talked to last year?
by BrickTop on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
no not really
I think I might try and look it up later
I do remember a few years ago they spoke to Jacoby Ford out of Clemson and really liked him, man I wish we got him
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Hes Boys star return specialist Kr/Pr in my Madden 11 Franchise
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
lol
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
38-0 2SB blowout wins vs New England, officially retired from Madden after that
2010&2011 may have been down yrs in real life, but not in my franchise
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Brandon Weeden might be interesting.
Toss a late-round pick and training camp his way (at this age I doubt any NFL team is going to spend a high one on him) and he could be close enough to a old veteran as Tony’s backup, and a lot cheaper to boot.
Weeden is currwntly projected as a 4th rd pick
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Currently*
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Day 3 pick then.
There’s others players I’d take in the 4th, but if the team thinks it’s worth it, why not.
by TheBlueBaron on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
he's so old though
rather take someone with more upside that we can flip for picks later on
by somebodyquiet on Jan 26, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Talking is just talking. Doing their Due Diligence
A lot of teams talk to a lot of people for a variety of different reasons. Talking to someone doesn’t mean they want to draft them and not talking to someone doesn’t mean they won’t draft them.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Hell, the colts did talk to Cryin Ryan at the combine
Apparently that discussion confirmed they should take Peyton
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Demarco Murray said he was shocked to get drafted by the Cowboys
because he didn’t really have very much contact with them. I remember Victor Butler said he didn’t talk to anyone from Dallas at all.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Smoke Screen anyone?
At least when it comes to Alfonzo Dennard, I highly doubt the Boys would burm the 14th pick on hiim.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Agree, but he might make a really good safety.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Not at pick 14
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
isn't Dennard's biggest Weakness
Zone Coverage?….wouldn’t that be an issue as a safety? Which tends to play “zone”
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I thought he was a corner?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
He might have to switch positions
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
TP i heard Mayock say Dennards ball skills were bad.
even worse then Prince Amukaura
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
he has issues tracking the ball in the air
thats why idk if a move to safety helps him at all
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Makes him worse
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
yeah thats the big concern I have with him
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'd avoid hin like the plague
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Dude,
be nice lol!
I do agree %110, though.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Jan 26, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
+1
they need to focus on DBs that have ball skills more then anything.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Dennard has zero ball skills & thats 1 huge factor in drafting a CB/S high in the draft
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Even if your not going to pick a guy at 14
you still have to talk to him in case you trade down to a spot you feel better about taking him at.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Not disagreeing with that
I just don’t see them taking him when ther are better corners in the second and third round
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
exactly
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think, for purposes of media and fan comfort, teams talk about how comprehensive their player evaluations, and draft prep, are.
Fine, but what explains 1st round busts on down through UDFA phenoms? What partially explains it is, although scientific principles are applied by the best minds in the business, a player’s potential is something retained within the player, and not always observable or recognizable by others. Them of course, there’s the phoned in advice from a trusted source. Who was it that called the Cowboys about Rayfield Wright?
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
Judging by his performance this week
I will safely cross off Alfonzo Dennard. He didn’t look like a first rd pick out there.
I think the Cowboys First Rd Targets are:
1) DeCastro
2) Ingram
3) Upshaw
4) Jenkins
5) Poe
6) Barron
7) Perry
8) Kuechly-preparing for the unexpected
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Agree, you left out Kirkpatrick, but I'd shy away from him at #14 based on his stupidity.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I disagree
ILB does need some more depth(other than Lee and Carter there is only Orie Lemon. I like Lemon, but if Kuchley is there at 14 I wouldn’t mind the pick
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be to sure of that
It depends:
if the ODS is correct, and it hit aon nearly every top ten pick last year(except for the atlanta trade up, but it still had Jones @ 6 and Kerrigan @10, though he still went to the Skins…
Kuchely will be BPA @ 14
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
What's ODS
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Online Draft Simulator
It is a “toy” that OCC introduced last year
Link is to the site. it is run by the guys over at Drafttek…..if you like doing up Mock drafts, it is an awesome tool…
Once the Combine is over and the big boards “settle” I will be tossing some Mocks based of my Position outlook series….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Lol i just did a simulation
14: dennard
45: Washington
82: randall
113: Fangupo (who?)
144: Compton
175: blanton
212: Julian miller
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
yeah when I saw that
was my reaction too
WHO the EFF?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I did two simulations and the same result happened
I think the system hates dallas
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
to get Different results
you have to change the Parameters…
IF you look under thhe “button” that takes you back to the home page , there is a list surrounded by green lines..
Read those, as they will give you the information that you need… once you get the hang of it you can make it have luck fall to Dallas if you want….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Youe need to change the settings on offensive and defensive needs to fit your tastes. I personally do not agree at all with the way the have the ODS configured right now.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 26, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with most of the settings they have for Dallas
Though I do tweak them slightly….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
What's it set as?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
okay quick rundown on "priority codes"
P1/P-2- think 1-2 stars in my Position outlooks series
P-3,4,5,6- think 3-4 stars in Outlook series, where the p-# = BPA round
P9-Straight BPA or 5 stars in my position outlook
here is the “official” breakdown
now that we have that Covered, here are the P-codes assigned:
Offensive needs
QB-4
RB-9
WR-6
OT-4
OG-5
OC-4
FB-9
Defensive needs(broken down by scheme, 3-4 or 4-3)
DT (4-3)-9
DT(3-4)- 5
DE(4-3)-9
DE(3-4)- 5
OLB- 9
OLB-4
ILB,SS,FS- 4
CB-2
For the most part I think the codes are justified, though I still adjust them, to fit my Series,,,, it does make difference especially in the later rounds….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Hebron Fangupo
Great kid from BYU. Played NT in the same style of 3-4 defense at BYU that the Cowboys use. Still a little raw and he is short but high motor who goes to the whistle. I can see him as a 6th rounder, 4th is high for him.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Thanks for the 411
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Sweet!
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I like their big board
Especially how they’re taking a wait n see approach with Brockers; he’s only #27 instead of the top10- 15 grade everyone else gives him
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
not smart to "draft" for depth
using a 1st round pick. Especially when the two proposed starters are 2nd and 1st year players (and the newly drafted 1st round pick is the depth).
Depth at ILB needs to come from a veteran – someone cheap, who knows the system and the playbook and who can fill in a down or two per game if the starters are healthy or a game or two while the starters recuperate.
Ideal depth at ILB would be Bradie James signing a 2 yr vet minimum contract (that contained bonuses only if he played a signifcant # of downs or made a specified # of tackles).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I dis agree
As much as Ryan likes his LB’s, Kuchley would be closer in position to a 3rd CB( or to use a B-Ball term, a 6th man)
Someone who may not techincally a “starter” but see’s as many plays as one….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah not even a 3rd corner
10 QBs threw for 4K last year, you NEED three CBs that can start. I mean in the 3rd for like Vontaze, okay, the ceiling and the depth might be worth it the first? Yikes.
And you acquire this "6th" man w/
the 14th overall pick?
The ILB position occupies 2 positions on the field at one time. In Rob Ryan’s scheme, often there’s only 1 ILB and 3 OLBs but let’s not think about that for a sec. If Keuchly is drafted, the Boys would have 2 2nd rounders (both relatively young) and a 1st rounder all vying for the 2 positions. Odd man out is the backup. And, the ILBs, while important, are near as important as the OLBs.
Meanwhile, you have an offensive line that has 5 positions. On that line, you have 1 1st rounder, 2 4th rounders, a 7th rounder and a UDFA starting. That is who is blocking for your elite QB.
That is just not the way to build a winning franchise.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
well for me
I think that the O-line will be fine as is…Between Arkin, Nagy, Costa and Kowalski, along with some veteran Depth(Holland and Dock) Dallas is fine there.
I don’t like Jenkins @ 14(too much of a head case, zand I don’t even care about the pot part)
Dennard is looking like a second rounder right now, and Claiborne and Kirkpatrick will probably be gone.
I honestly think that Kuchley…would be BPA at that point….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not putting Romo behind Arkin Costa/Kowalski Nagy/Kosier
Not happening
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
If we're making ourQB a sacraficial lamb
Send in McGee
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
hahaha
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Actually For now
I would Imagine it will be this
Smith, Koiser, Nagy, Holland, Free
this puts KOsier back on the Left side where he is more comfortable, plus keeps him next Smith.
With Free moving back to RT, you have Holland move with him, then you could go Nagy at the C position(remember he was in Front of Konz at Wisconsin at the C position
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 26, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
so you think Kosier still has another year in him?
I think he is done, it started to show this year
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
He may be done, but he'll be on the team next year.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
I'd love to have him for depth
but we need an upgrade.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Now that they'll have a full offseason
I think they’ll get a really good look on what they have on the roster and what they’ll be able to add. Hopefully we hit a home run.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Keep in mind
Kosier and Holland BOTH got injured toward the end of the season w/ major injuries. Kosier tore a MCL and Holland tore a bicep. That is TORE.
And they’re both on the wrong side of 32…
They’re done!
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 27, 2012 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Holland is
Holland played at a much higher level than Kosier did, I’m pretty sure Lumpy will pretty valuable in running and short distance packages.
Now I wasn't aware of Hollands injury
Guess we’ll see what kind of shape he comes back in.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
by Final Frame on Jan 28, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
I was just referring to guards ans center
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
yeah
I think Kuechly is a great prospect, but if he is our pick at 14, we won’t win many more games as a result of the pick
I will give you that
the only way I would really say it improves our team in winning games is if we move to a 4-3 and draft Kuechly to be one of the 3 starting LB’s
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
for us - id rather have hightower over kuechly
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
I'd go for neither
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
thats not the point.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
makes more sense because you can possibly land Hightower later
and I think Hightower is more of a thumper and would be a great fit next to Lee
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
and hightower is very versatile.
has played every LB position in the 3-4.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
yeah thats why Hightower is intriuging, plus he has a cool name
All Along The Hightower
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
But Bruce Carter will be next to Lee
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I know
I was just speaking hypothetically
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Id rather take Burfict if he falls to the 3rd
He’s the hardest hitting player in the draft and he has potential to be a a force in the middle and if you get him in the third its a low risk high reward pick.
and thats fine, i would agree.
but im talking about kuechly and hightower in the 1st round.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
I dont think its a big enough need for us
If you use back to back 2nd round picks on ILB and than a 1st the next year than there are too many holes not being filled with top picks.
i dont know if ive said it or not
but i am squarely in the decastro camp.
Any more and you are getting a cease and desist from chromasters balls inc. - Chromaster
I wouldn't
Kuceh would be a lux pick, we have much greater needs at other positions. Maybe he will be great, but a first round pick should be ready to start.
I read that Brooking still wants to play for the Boys
even at a reduced role. They may opt to go that route for depth since there are other needs.
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
you can get cheaper depth than having to pay the veteran minimum.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
I really really really hope we dont bring him back
he really sucks at this point in his career
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Offer him some kind of assistant's job.
But don’t keep him on the team. The slot can be used to much better effect, IMO.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Assistant linebackers coach, take it or leave it.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I agree
I young kid would be a much better fit
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, I think 1), 2), 3), and maybe 4) are the safest bets to go # 14.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Poe could rise if he really blows up at the combine.
Jenkins is a no at 14, but a trade down-trade up scenario could work there. I’d be more inclined to stay at 14 and cross fingers he falls into the 2nd, though.
by TheBlueBaron on Jan 26, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Terry
As far as Kuechly is concerned, I’m with you. But I’m leaving him up there just in case we do another 2006 zig when everyone thought zag.
As far as Poe is concerned, Jerry referenced the Cowboys desire to emulate the Ravens on defense. That Ravens defense invest the #12 pick on the 2006 draft on a nose tackle, Haloti Ngata. They key to any successful 3-4 defemse is the big man up the middle, and Ratliff is wearing down as the NT. Poe is my dark horse pick.
Jenkins is the best or the 2nd best CB in this draft depending on who you talk to. I could see him being drafted at 14. He fills a position of need.
Same holds true for Mark Barron. We haven’t had a legitimate safety, which is necessary in a long time. He would be an instant upgrade over our two JAGS.
I still think DeCastro is the first choice, however the rst of these guys will be the fall back options.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I would like to see Poe as well, but if that is the direction they want to go
they might be able to trade down and get an extra pick in the process.
I could see Jenkins. I absolutely agree on the other three with you.
All three are way overrated on this board.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Making a Cowboys board I'd attack it a bit differently:
I’d list the unrealistic targets at 14 as well as the realistic ones, so I’d go:
Luck
Kalil
RG3
Claiborne
DeCastro
Richardson
Blackcmon
Martin
Kirkpatrick
Ingrahm
Rieff
Still
Upshaw
Perry
Curious as to why you have Ingrahm over Upshaw?
I know they are close and I know that Ingram is one hell of an athlete.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Think Upshaw's got the lower ceiling
Higher probability that he’s just Spencer, and fans were upset with him in the 20s I can’t imagine the bitching if he was taken at 14. I’d say like 75% of his full ability (pretty high remark) is that he’s just a rich man’s Spencer, and the absolute best case Scenario he’s like a 9 sack a year or so guy who’s stout against the run. I mean yeah a rich man’s Spencer is a valuable player, but a lot has to go right for that to happen….even more has to go right for him to be an all-star caliber player. I feel Ingrahm’s 75th percentile of his talent is probably something like a slightly better Tamba Hali.
Neither Upshaw nor Ingram nor Kuechly
will improve this team as much as drafting a better OG or CB or FS.
Right now, the starting LG is Arkin. The starting C is Kowalski. The starting RG is Kosier. The starting SS is Church or McCray. The starting OLBs are Ware and Lemon. The starting CBs are Jenkins and Scancrick.
However, the starting ILBs are Lee and Carter.
Which starting position is the weakest? (Hint, it’s not the OLBs – even w/ Lemon starting).
For those of you that said “Who are the interior O linemen” – DING, DING, DING. $1000 for you!
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I will bitch fit if kuechly is the pick, just sayin
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Jerry talks too much and should shut up
but he said last yr they went youth at the O-line and it cost them so I don`t see a O-Line pick at 14 even though I think DeCastro or Konz would make sense. O-Line might be fixed in free agency.
That's what I've been saying for a while.
Jerry aint drafting a O-lineman in the1st
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Callahan also said he liked adding an above average vet in FA
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Well...
I had one corner and two linemen in the top five. So I think I’m addressing that throughly. If they draft another tackle I say move Free to guard.
okay we get your man crush for Castro but to say OLB isnt weak with Lemon is crazy.
1st i’d put Lemon as a 3rd ILB & Butler as the OLB left on the roster if they dont draft anyone.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I like the ingram/hali asessment
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
me too
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Jenkins scares the hell out of me in the 1st.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
He'd make the draft, though, if we got him in round 2.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
We need him with Sam Hurd gone
He should be able to fill the same role.
by The Fall Guy on Jan 26, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously though
Very talented, but he’s a head case. Could be a redux of the Tampa Bay CB situation. Love that he was a Gator, but I don’t think he’s the kinda guy JG wants.
by The Fall Guy on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
from what i've read he doesn't remind of Talib in Tampa
but i’d consider him more like Dez then a career criminal
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Rec'd fall guy
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Me not so much. He would have been a top ten pick if he stayed at Florida.
If he interviews well I could probably justify taking him.
I was against drafting him a short time ago, but the more I see of him, the more his talent is readily apparent.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
yeah he is a great talent
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
If we get him, I'll cross my fingers
And hope a young millionaire matures quickly.
by The Fall Guy on Jan 26, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Cam Johnson?
I’m a little perplexed by this as a potential target.
Seems like a Spencer-type run defender at the Sam position, if not more biased in that direction. Would seem undersized as a 5-technique (although I have no idea what his growth potential would be).
I’m sure the scouts know better – to my untrained eyes, he looks and plays like a prototype left defensive end in the 43.
I am still trying to wrap myself around him
I liked him a lot at Virginia, I just dont know if he is a 4-3 DE, 3-4 OLB, or a 3-4 DE
he has the body type though, very intriguing player
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Chia
you should look at him before last year. Last year he was in the 4-3. The years before that when Al Groh was the HC at UVA they ran the 3-4. It would be worth looking into in order to see what he played before his senior year.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I watched him the last few years actually
I follow Virginia because my cousin was the head coach of the wrestling program there and he is a Virginia grad
but yeah, he has played some different positions and I like him actually, still dont know what he is yet, very versatile and has a nice frame with decent athleticism
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
What did he play in the 3-4?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
pretty sure he was a five tech
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure abouthis production
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I think he could play 3-4 SOLB. His first step is apparently good for his size.
Also, for when the Cowboys would be targeting him (third round), you wouldn’t be expecting to get a great pass rusher anyway.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
As a side, the Drew Pearson & flying whiskey bottles referred to in the news....link below
http://bdtonline.com/local/x431308839/W-Va-toughens-stance-on-fans-attacking-athletic-officials
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
Yep,
Really need to sse what happens in free agency before I start zeroing in on the draft.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
That's true, but
who they talk to might tell us where they are going in FA. This should be a very interesting off-season….
Don't believe everything you think.
I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo ready for March
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 26, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I think its safe to say the focus is definitely in the right place.
My hope is that the cowboys will take the best player available that also fills a need for this team. Whoever it is, if the player fills a hole on the roster, they will definitely get the opportunity to get playing time right away. I look forward to seeing who our first three picks are since we have had back to back to years hitting on our first 3 picks.
say what? huh?
North Alabama cornerback Janoris Jenkins has excelled this week, blanketing receivers and making several exciting pass break-ups. Jenkins showed excellent quickness and break on the ball. Jenkins is a sure tackler in the run game and is strong jamming the receiver. On the down side, Jenkins lacks ideal height and his off the field problems probably put a ceiling on his stock at the early third round. His grade depends greatly on how much teams feel he has matured.
unreal a kid that talented all for nothing
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
the South at the senior bowl is about practice
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Nice, Cowboys talked to some good players
really hoping for Ingram or Upshaw in the 1st (sign Carl Nicks?) with Janoris Jenkins in the 2nd
or 3rd as the above comment says he might fall too
that would be nice. just hope he’s on our team after the draft.
IF Jenkins falls into the 2nd
then all teams are worried about him and drugs
What if, Ingram, Upshaw and DeCastro are all there at 14. What then? Remember when Ware and Shawne Merriman
were both still on the board in 2005. That was just great. I just knew the Cowboys would jump all over Merriman. Shows what I know.
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I think Upshaw is perfect in a 3-4 - he gets into position quickly and adapts like Ware
I just think back to those screens to LT that got NYJ back in the game and I think… that’s a guy who could stop that. Ware did it well against Detroit but Spencer continued to get burned on that play. I think I put Upshaw at ILB and move Carter to OLB, but if I have Upshaw I leave him there.
You have to look at a guy like Aldon Smith who is scouted as too raw, see what he did in his rookie year and say, that’s what good coaching can do. If I’m Brian Baker though, I wouldn’t mind getting Coples if we trade up.
I don’t think anyone is talking about DeCastro though so maybe that’s not a priority in the 1st round.
Off topic,
but where is taanstafl? I enjoy the crap out of that guy.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Hope we get a pass rusher to help ware out and a corner and saftey
by slickman26 on Jan 26, 2012 8:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Welcome to the blog, slickman
here’s a newbie rec for you to get you started.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 27, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
Guys
Look out for my pet cat, Vinny Curry (3-4 OLB/4-3 DE Marshall) to rise in this draft.
According to Tony Pauline of SI’s Inside The NFL, he looks like a natural 3-4 OLB, despite the fact the Vikings (coaching North Seniors) moved him around the DLine (common technique done by the coaching team to hide a player from other NFL teams).
Curry was dominating Ohio State’s OT Mike Adams, beating him off the snap every time. When he lined up at DT (4-3 nickle alignment) he was beating Center, Kevin Zeitler with swim moves.
Curry is 6’3 265, and is the NCAA’s all-time leader in tackles for loss with 48, and second among active college players for career sacks with 26.5 during his 3 years as a starter (2009-2011).
Currently he’s projected as a 2nd-3rd pick on CBS’ Board, but could rise into a first rd pick with a strong showing at the combine. NFL Draft Scout has him rising up the board.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/probe.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2012&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 26, 2012 8:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
There is so much CB and LB talent in this draft.
It means you could get a lot of value by trading down and getting more picks
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 26, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not trading down unless
If I can’t get DeCastro
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Well I understand that. I want to and everyone ought to see his work out before we make him the guy.
I think for him to be the guy he has to be more than a productive high effort guy. He also has to be an elite athlete too.
If we take DeCastro the right free agent move would be to get Jason Jones.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 27, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Youre obsessed
with trading and Jason Jones.
by BrickTop on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone see the DL like this next year?
Hatcher-Ratliff-Coples?
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