Quinton Coples....good lord
by Ramos on Jan 28, 2012 10:45 PM CST
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So, this year I really paid attention to the Senior Bowl for the first time ever. My main reason is my newly found website obsession, Bloggingtheboys. There have been many tremendous reads and comments over the past year (bloggingtheboys staff, chia, Mensa, 5Blings, Omar Little, and recently Rohpuri and Birddog) Y'all's passion about the Cowboys really struck home...so first off "Thanks for your efforts and hardwork!". You all have inspired me to share my thoughts.
This is my 1st FanPost and I want to focus on whom I feel will be the best immediate impact player we can draft.....Quinton Coples. Quinton Coples is a beast pure and simple. He was an absolute boss during the SeniorBowl as he played with nastiness and with something to prove.
The knock on this guy was that he takes plays off and lacks a high motor. Today, he exhibited the exact opposite. He was dominant throughout the game with a sack, tipped passes and consistent pressure on the QB. This guy just looks mean... We need MEAN!!!! Just look at those brands on his arms... Dude is tough.
Did you read that????? Pressure on the QB!! There's a novel concept.
If we continue to go the 3-4 route...we need to find a way to make sure we can get Mr. Coples wearing the star. Even if we go to the 4-3 we need to get this guy in the star. The game comes naturally to him, he's strong, he's fast, he's got the measurables. If we stick 3-4 and move Ratliff to the other end opposite Coples I am up pumped to think about the pressure and mismatches we can create. If we go 4-3 base we can put him and Demarcus on opposite sides...it doesn't matter.
I was a big Melvin Ingram advocate but now my pick is all Coples...Ingram or Upshaw is a nice consolation prize but Coples possesses that Julius Peppers game-changing ability and will eventually be flat-out unblockable. The guy is that front line playmaker this defense is lacking. Robowski would love this guy...
What do you all think?
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Coples is a great fit as a 5-technique.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
No he's not
He’s a good fit as a 43 DE…not big enough or strong enough for 34 DE
by inwittenitrust on Jan 29, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
Coples is stronger than most 3- 4 ends.
Among defensive ends only Juilus Peppers , Mario Williams jason pierre paul, and JJ Watt have comparable talent.
(You want to see his Sack Seer score beforing making the final determination on this)
If the Cowboys hit on Coples and get a CB like Stephon Gilmore the defense is more or less fixed.
IF the Cowboys hit on Coples and CB and get NIcks and keep Spencer the Cowboys are Superbowl ready probably better than the Patriots or the Packers.
I would love to see someone on this board make the case that the Cowboys are father away that this.
Some people on this site say the Cowboys have to undergo a rebuilding process but it doesn’t have to be this way at all.
Get Coples and the Cowboys could cover up Spencer. Get Coples and the Cowboys could rush with Ware , Coples , Spencer, Ratliff and Hatcher.
Getting Coples could give the Cowboys a chance to make up for not getting JJ Watt .
There are surer things in this draft and I understand why a lot of people here don’t want to take a chance. But getting Coples, Nix and a CB would fix the Cowboys once and for all.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'm just going to go ahead and not take anything you wrote there seriously.
Coples is exactly seven pounds less than JJ Watt and that is despite some people thinking Coples was playing at around 290 lbs during the season.
And, if you read up on him instead of assuming things, you would know his strength is his most universally praised aspect.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
In fact
It was his speed as an edge rusher that was in question
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 30, 2012 7:10 AM CST up reply actions
what are you talking about he's as strong as you can get
he’s a good fit for the 5 tech IMO, 10 lbs more wouldn’t hurt though
is to
He’s a GREAT fit at the 34 de spot. 6’6" 285 not to mention the fact that he can add weight to that frame.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I disagree, Inwittenitrust
He’s not much smaller than Chris Canty was when Dallas drafted him.
The difference is that Coples can make, well, a difference. He’s a terror for most interior linemen because of his quick reflexes and a nightmare for OT’s because of his combination of strength and athleticism.
Coples is one guy who could succeed in either alignment.
The problem with QC has always been his head.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I just have serious questions about him
he is an amazing physical specimen, I just think he would be better off in a 4-3
he could play a 3-4 DE five tech like Creasy is saying, no doubt
he isn’t getting worked out as a 3-4 OLB, so I guess that isn’t his forte
my questions are attitude/motivation/motor
even in his interview with Melvin Ingram he had sort of a cocky demeanor
great players do carry a chip on their shoulder, but going overboard is close
Coples is really an interesting guy I am having a tough time getting a hold of
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
On issues with Coples are mental.
He is prone to taking plays off and has a pretty poor attitude in general from the stuff I have read. On that note he is a beast and was hands down the most dominating player at the SB.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Motor issues are a huge concern with 3-4 DE's
But I’ve read a good amount of things that may indicate he mostly took plays off during his senior year. It’s speculative, but he might have been playing more to protect himself from injury, considering his stock was very high last year. This does make sense when you consider how dominant he ended up showing in senior bowl. Either way you look at it, he’s a boom or bust type of prospect, but the boom is immensely high. Only Michael Brockers would be a better pick.
Also, for those of you that think he can’t be a 3-4 DE, considering his size right now and his ability to drop his pad level very low and get leverage easily, I can’t see how he wouldn’t be able to fit in as a five technique.
I think Coples is more of a sure thing than Michael Brockers.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Coples is better now, but Brockers may have a higher upside.
Would dance a jig to get either of them.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
at any rate the Cowboys need a DE,
I just see Brockers as too risky for 14.
Though he certainly fills a need and is certainly an interesting prospect.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
Chia - you just described Aldon Smith except left out the part about him being raw
Some guys just will never get an accurate scouting report, he’s one of those guys. I’ve never seen anything you could knock the guy for, he’s past this level, he could dominate in the NFL as a nose tackle. Guys like Coples and Smith can move around in a 4-3, DT or DE. In a 3-4 you can use an athletic DE in pass coverage, this guy can do it all.
The plays I saw, he had a sack from the RDE position, a block and a sack from the RDT spot and a hit from the left which was almost a sack. He should have gone in last year’s draft that’s all I say.
I didn’t hear Butch Davis say anything bad about him that’s for sure…
Coples is so talented
I think he can play whatever position he wants
by somebodyquiet on Jan 29, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Coples has the talent to be another Julius Peppers or possibly D Ware (IMO the best)
The problem is his lack of effort at times. He can be whatever he chooses to be. He’ll need a motivator. RR might be the RKG to do that. I don’t think he’ll be there at #14.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I went into watching the game completely disregarding him
I was mainly focused on Ingram, upshaw and the secondary players but he stood out. I think he could fit.
but the fact he take plays off is one reason why JG may not want him..
I know their interested but taking plays off with JG is a no no..
Of course the guy will play up this game.. its the senior bowl.. u have GMs and owners watching you play.. me personally i would pass on the guy..
You will have another Mike Jenkins a talented player who lacks motivation and motor..
by lostar2009 on Jan 28, 2012 11:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Jenkins' problem was never motor
Let me be the scouting director AND the GM
by SportsDrunk on Jan 29, 2012 11:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
thanks for your colorful input
Spelling is hard isn’t it
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 6:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Coples is actually my ideal pick right now.
I have been banging the drum hard to replace Spencer, but we could always do that in the second round with guys like Branch, Massaquoi, Irvin, etc. There is almost zero chance in the 2nd round that you can pick up a guy with the potential to be an elite 5-technique.
Also, watching some stuff on him this year, I actually think he fits much better as a 5-technique than a RDE for the 4-3. He looked great at DT for UNC and I think his combination of strength and speed could make him an elite 5-technique whereas he will more than likely just be a good RDE.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 28, 2012 11:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think there is enough CB depth that you could probably go for one in the third.
Plus, I think the talent at CB will run out a lot later than at pass rusher (DE or OLB). I would rather maximize what you can get for your front seven and hope to find an Orlando Scandrick type guy in the mid-rounds.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I agree there
pass rushers are going in the first 2 rounds and thats it
if you want a good one, you grab one early
this CB class is real deep
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I will say this, Coples did show what we all knew
When he wants to play, he is a beast. a very very impressive beast.
Will he be that player for every down in the NFL? or just when their is money to be made?
that was always the question, not if the kid was talented.
If he’s their at 14 it means he’s screwed up his interviews, and I would be real skeptical.
yeah
pretty much what I thought too
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
If the Cowboys get Coples they keep Spencer.
Spencer gives some rush. Coples and Spencer would give the Cowboys some rush from someone who doesn’t wear 94.
If the Cowboys got Coples
Gimore/ Chase Minnifield
and Carl Nix F/A
That would be a pretty good off season right there.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 3:24 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that is necessarily true.
If you had a draft like: Coples, Curry, and Leonard Johnson (for the first three picks), and went with a center in FA, I think you could definitely let Spencer go. You would be counting on Curry a lot, but I think we could make it work with Curry (who I really like), Butler, and Albright.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
agreed^
i think curry is the second best pure pass rusher in the draft behind bruce irvin who is horrendous in the run game… currys a much better overall prospect
Demarcus Ware- making Sheli Manning piss his pants since 2005
Yes, I'm liking Curry over Irvin too now.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
that would be awesome
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
That's the only problem haha. He may play his way out of our second round draft pick.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Creasy I wouldn't complain with that draft
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 12:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why does one portend the other?
Victor Butler gives you more pass rush than Spencer ever has.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Coples is the shizzness
I would be ecstatic if the Cowboys draft him.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 29, 2012 4:12 AM CST reply actions
agreed
Granted he slacked in college, but he did that to save for his payday. Jerruh get your checkbook out, sign this man! If chandler Jones is there in the second, take him. Then trade up and take Ta’Amu. With the money saved from cutting Newman and not resigning Spencer sign nicks, meyers, and brandon Carr.
by matt575 on Jan 29, 2012 4:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would love
Coples
J Jenkins
C Jones.
Use them for pay back.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Who wouldn't love that, but how can you pull it off.
And we still need to protect the franchise byimproving the OL.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
lol do you man
I’ve been saying the same thing about Coples and idk how my questions are going to be answered, like OCC said, we are not privileged to the interviews
looks the part, very athletic
but RKG? mentally is he there? why does he take plays off?
too many questions for me to take him at 14 right now
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Chia, have you seen him take plays off?
Can anyone come up with any video that shows he took plays off? I had tthis question come up in my Scouts View post about Coples where I answered it there.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
yes and its what everyone is saying
Paul on here is a Tarheel fan, he says the same thing
when I watched UNC’s bowl game this year, it sure looked like Coples quit on a bunch of plays
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
I can't provide video of it simply because I dont know how to create a video.
I can only tell you what I saw from here during the games. Last year when he played a lot on the inside he was almost unstoppable. This year playing strictly on the outside he was very much up and down.
There would be entire games where it looked like he just didn’t give a damn. Anytime they played the big boys VA Tech, FSU, and so on, he always stepped up and played lights out.
I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted him. I personally don’t think he will get out of the top 10. All I can tell you is that I watched the guy in every game he ever played at UNC and it was very easy to tell the difference between when he was going all out and when he wasn’t.
I have one really good friend who is very close to the football program. He said that Coples played tenatively all year because he expressed some concern about injuries affecting his draft status. He did however say that he would without a doubt take Coples with a top 10 pick.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
And without a doubt
The Cowboys will get the scoop from Butch Davis prior to making a decision.
Like you, I doubt he’ll fall to 14.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
Like you Paul
I got to watch him play every game during his time at UNC… He was awesome in 2010 at DT… then they moved him outside I though oh chit here he comes… that power and speed on the outside at DE it’s over… and he didn’t try in a lot of games… I think with all the NCAA garbage was a big distraction for him. He didn’t give the effort he did in his 2010 season. He played well in maybe 3 games all season and then just put in time near the end of the year. The bowl game was horrendous. The lack of effort in a Nationally Televised game against any team with scouts watching was stupid. The game he should have been playing his heart out for pride and to show he was a class player… he just ditched it.
RexP
Hey OCC
If we get him are you gonna change your name to “One Cool Coples” for a bit?
by TheCowboyWay on Jan 30, 2012 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
I would be
very wary of UNC players. They are underachievers with concerns about character and intelligence. Coples may turn out to be a great NFL player, but you would be taking a chance by drafting him, especially if you traded away other picks to get him. This team has alot of holes to fill in the secondary.
by Son of Pete Wright on Jan 29, 2012 6:15 AM CST reply actions
That is the only good argument for not pursuing him
The risk.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Cue Tarheel Paul in
Three….
Two….
One…..
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
what the crap are you talking about?
Name these UNC players that you speak of. Character conerns? Huh? Intelligence? You have got to be a Dook fan. I could name a huge list of players from UNC that have made an impact in the NFL.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think that Couples grade will be "influenced"
by the Cowboys Relationship with Butch Davis. Now of Course thay will have their eye on him, and do their homework on him, but alot of the “charater concerns” will be addressed by talking to him, and Davis.
If Davis gives the him a positive grade, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the cowboys go after Couples…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 8:19 AM CST reply actions
He has good athleticism, size and ability
Good thing about Coples is that he could actually play a 3-4 End or an OLB. It still remains to be seen how well he can cover should they need him to do so or basically if he can be as successful standing up. If he can then he gets extra for being a player that can move around between the DLine and OLB.
I still have yet to watch the entire Senior Bowl to see how he plays but I hadn’t seen too many negative plays out of him from what I have watched so far. Keep in mind this is against the best Senior Players in the draft, so if he stands out in that game then he should be able to do well at the pro level.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
The other defensive ends in this draft after are not that good
Other posters keep forgetting this.
They also ought to be well aware that Billy Wynn / Jared Crick /Derrick Wolfe/ Jake Bequette might be no more than marginally better than Hatcher/ Geathers/ Spears. So even if they made our team, even if they started we would not be substantially improved at DE.
If it is no Williams / Campbell/ Avril/ Jason Jones or Coples you can pretty much give up any expectation that we are going to get better on the defensive line anytime soon .
The Giants have Jason Pierre Paul if the Cowboys want to be better then they better have someone like him on the DE.
Coples will never get to Dallas. He will be snatched up before we even get a sniff.
However if the team is serious about a 4-3 he would be an excellent choice. With all that happened at NC last year there could be many reasons Coples didn’t produced as expected. Ware on one side and Coples on the other would give us a dynamic duo. Leave Rat at dt and you have at least 3 pressure players. That is a good start.
Other teams have figured Dallas out. That is why rat only got 2 sacks last season. Another dynamic pass rusher changes the whole makeup of this team. However he will be long gone by pick 14.
Question is would you trade up for him ? Dallas has so many needs.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
No trade up.
Too many holes to fill, and this is not a two year project. Strides were made last year, they will need to hit on the next two drafts to make noise in the NFCE.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
See below Nick
if you could get a Mario Williams type Talent at #10…isn’t that worth two extra picks?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think so, but I'm on a long term approach.
I think that where the Dallas Cowboys are now, you need to keep the draft picks you have to continue the rebuilding process. I keep going back to Navarro Bowman – not saying the Cowboys would have picked him, but wouldn’t you like a player of that caliber on the team?
Sixth round picks aren’t candy – hell, Ratliff, Lissemore, and Nagy, Patrick Crayton are all 7th rounders, who in varying degrees have/will become integral parts of the Cowboys lineup. I’m cherrypicking to support my claims, cause I know there are some Cincinnati D-backs (ugh) in there that wreck my theory.
I think that trading off draft picks has done this team a disservice in the past… I’d rather have the draft picks than Joey Galloway and Roy Williams.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Well I guess we can Agree to Disagree
I feel that Couples is worth it… but to each their own….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
Only a few sixth or seventh round picks turn out the way you want.
Most of them bust outright
Jamar Wall Sam Young,
of course you want more picks but
I remember that the Cowboys traded up to get Tony Dorsett. It was worth it.
If you don’t get a star in the first you have blown the pick even if the guy starts for you.
One star is worth 50 jags .
It nice to hit on a 7th but a big time star is worth so much more.
Yeah the Cowboys hit on Ratliff once but the other guys on that list aren’t going to the pro bowl.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
well I think that Nagy could be pretty good
and Lissemore has shown flashes….but to quote NIck he did say:
I’m cherrypicking to support my claims, cause I know there are some Cincinnati D-backs (ugh) in there that wreck my theory.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
I hope Nagy and Lissemore turn out great,but I think their potential is respectable pro not pro bowl.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
If the Cowboys got
Carl Nicks
plus second round CB
Plus Coples
Keep Spencer
I think the Cowboys would be in pretty good shape next year. Most needs are filled. I don’t think rebuilding has to be a muti year project.
Lets play a thought game.
Say we get those guys Nicks , Coples, Gilmore and keep Spencer.
What are our problems.
How do we match up with the Packers , Patriots , Ravans or Giants?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
In this scenario I think we still need a big nt.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
you know mensa
I dont think Dallas will get one this year, but I think next years draft they will
just a hunch
idk what NTs are available next year but I just assume they will finally bite the bullet on it next year
QB TE NT S, that would be my targets for 2013
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Well if we draft Coples we won't need Ratliff to move over.
However if we draft Poe or Brockers I expect Ratliff to move to DE.
Poe yes Brockers no.
Brockers is a prototypical 5 technique.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Well you have Jesse Williams
Sylvester Williams and Star Loutelei from Utah. Those guys are in the 320-325 range. Johnathan Jenkins from Ga who is 350. I don’t think he is as good as Poe though. There is another dt from Washington who is about 335.
Big nt’s are hard to find. I think Poe is equal to or better than Phil Taylor. 285 though isn’t going to get it done in the current 3-4. Gap 3-4’s gave Rat a chance for penetration. In this 3-4 Rat gets bent backwards.
Switch to a 4-3 draft Coples if you can and that would solve a lot of issues.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Jessie Williams is a DE at Bama not NT.
He is in the Halata mold, not as good, but similiar style. Jenkins has no stamina. Always disappeared in the 2nd half for UGA.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Williams will play nt next year ...
since Bama is losing Chapman. Brandon Ivory isn’t going to beat out Williams. Neither are as good as Dareus was.
Jenkins is pretty good. Geathers will be pushing him hard next season though.
I would still spend a late round pick on Asa Chapman this year. There are big guys. There are huge guys. Then there is Asa Chapman.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
DAAAANG!
That is a big dude…..not quite Michael Jasper….but that is a big dude….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Chapman graduating is exactly why Bama pushed so hard for Alphonse Taylor.
He is already enrolled at 340lbs and Darren Lake is also 330lbs of NT. Williams is a DE at Bama.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
LOL that's why Williams is listed as a de and nt.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Anyway look how much better he could improve the Cowboys.
and we still got Josh Brent I think it is too soon to give up on him.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you Mensa(shocking I know)
using the ODS
they have Couples falling to the 11th pick(Seattle)….Dallas could trade up to the 10th position using our first, third and sixth(basically the Dez Bryant trade up) and trade with Buffalo to get him…
I wouldn’t be opposed to that if we managed to get a CB (our biggest need) and both Kirkpatrick and Claiborne(the only two CB I am willing to spend the #14 pick on right now) are gone….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure if the
Bills would bite, if Claiborne and Kirkpatrick are gone and Blackmon…Bills take Couples.
well the ODS has them taking Merciles
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Bills go Upshaw or Ingram.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
This is probably true. I don't see him falling to #14.
With that being said, I think he works in a 3-4 or a 4-3. And in fact, that makes it even more unlikely he gets to us.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
He did take plays off last season
But spencer admitted to taking a season off a year ago. Where I see a difference is Spencer was in a contract year this past season so you think he would have been playing his tail off. You think he would show up in big games….did he ever do that?
This kid Coples may have taken plays off playing for UNC in t he regular season but when it mattered “SeniorBowl”… Look how he stepped his game up. We need someone who can step their game up at important times a la Ware v Saints or Lee v Colts. I’m tired of praying for a Jason Hatcher 2 sack game or an “almost” sack becomes the real deal.
by Ramos on Jan 29, 2012 10:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Seeing as your first post didn't get it
and I apologize for missing it, Here is your(slightly belated) Newbie Rec. Welcome to the Blog, and Hope to see more from you…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm....I read elsewhere a scouting report that states Coples is overrated. He lacks
a first step burst and can be weak at the point of attack. Watching a few movie clips of the players, I kept seeing a player who couldn’t hold his ground and instead had to move laterally to keep from geting pushed back. Yeah, the offense game it cuz runner blazed through openings Coples left. I see a Spencer clone, only worse against the run.
the one thing that interested me
was when Butch Davis was asked to compare Coples to a current NFL player
he said Julius Peppers (UNC guy too) without the first step
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
the one thing that interested me
was when Butch Davis was asked to compare Coples to a current NFL player
he said Julius Peppers (UNC guy too) without the first step
Isn’t that near Super Mario?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
idk why people are saying Coples is Mario Williams
Mario Williams was a legit prospect without the questions Coples has
nobody is talking about Coples as a #1 pick
Mario Williams was the complete package coming into that draft
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I am not knowledgeable enough to argue with ChiaCrack or Fan in Thick and Thin. I would not even try it.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
But we don’t need him to be Mario just sort of Mario
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Coples physically is very similar to Mario.
The difference is the mental make up of the two. Mario was a hard working leader at NC State and Coples has question marks. I would not be shocked if Coples beats almost all of Mario’s Combine numbers.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
I don’t think he will beat Marios numbers. Mario is a little better in every way.
Still I think Coples is a rare talent. The kind of defensive end you see once every two years.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
actually JS
Mario while impressive in is own right, didn’t exactly “light up the combine”….
Ratliff put up similar numbers, though Williams vertical(40") is simply crazy….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Hate to break it to you all but Mario has a "play when I want to" mantra.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I dis agree with that
from what I understand is that Mario played with a sports hernia all last year…or was it the year before….either way that doesn’t sound like a “play when I want to” player…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
I read that Mario blew up the combine.
Ht Wt Arm length Hand size 40-yd dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP Wonderlic
6 ft 7 in 295 lb 33⅞ in 10 in 4.70 s 1.80 s 2.78888 s 4.37 s 7.21 s 40½ in 10 ft 0 in 35 rep x
All values from NFL Combine4
Bench Press: 450 lbs.
Power Clean: 320 lbs.5
Williams left school one year early to enter the 2006 NFL Draft. Coming out of college, Williams was called an elite prospect, "an amazing natural athlete with rare ability" and "an outstanding pass rusher who can dominate a game."6 At the NFL Combine Williams ran a 4.66 and a 4.73 forty-yard dash, which was averaged out to 4.70. He also bench-pressed 225 pounds 35 times and had a 40½ vertical leap.7
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 6:36 AM CST up reply actions
that is true
his 40 time(the most useless test for a DL that ever existed) was great. for a 290+lb guy….
However other than his Vertical/Bench Press he really isn’t that impressive.
his SS time of 4.37 is significantly less than say JJ Watt(4.21), and his 3-cone time of 7.21 isn’t exactly impressive(even at 290+) to compare, JJ Watt Destroyed the 3-cone (6.88,which considering he did that at 290, is insane. D-Ware @250 put up a 6.85)
His measurables indicate that he would be best in a interior role, where his lack of “bend” indicated by his 3-cone time(edge rushers should be no slower than 7.00 secs) would be less of a Factor, and his Burst and Strength, combined with his better than average agility(the 4.37 SS) would give most Guards and Centers absolute Fits….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
I think the 40 time is just another thing to consider.
It tells something about leg strength and athletic ability. Not more than other things but it is another kind of information.
For instance Julius Peppers runs a nice 40,
Harvey Martin according to his book could run a 4.7 40
Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson considered it. While I don’t think it is the be and end all it is another thing.
Sack Seer I think is better but that is not perfect either. JPP did not have particularly good SACK SEER. but he is an all pro.
40 time is just another thing you use.
The way to use SACKSEER is this if someone has a really good score you take a look at them and if they don’t have a good score you take another look at them to see if they have something that sackseer doesn’t have.
Mario Williams had a great work out.
JJ Watt did better at sack seer than Aldon Smith but Aldon Smith got more sacks. This doesn’t mean that JJ Watt isn’t pretty terrific.
but lets not over value sack seer. Even the creators of sack seer caution against giving it too much weight.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
I hope Nagy and Lissemore turn out great,but I think their potential is respectable pro not pro bowl.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
that would be great for 2 7th rounders
Jay Ratliff is unique for an All Pro
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm...
… a rare talent. The kind of defensive end you see once every two years.
… 50% of the time. Half the time. Interesting definition of “rare”. Perplexing, even.
That's one small step...
I think he is Comparable to JJ Watt.
We missed out on JJ Watt.
Along with Tyron he was a guy we needed.
We have a chance to do the 2011 draft and have Tyron and the DE we need
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
And that is why I think he could be a dominant 3-4 DE.
You don’t need an absolutely elite first step to beat guards. You just need a good one. Coples has that, and with his strength, I think the sky is the limit for him at 3-4 DE.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
If we had Coples
I could see a 4-2-5 nickle defensive formation
RE: Ware
DT: Ratliff
DT: Coples
LE: Spencer/Butler/Rookie?
ILB1: Lee
ILB2: Carter
DBs: Jenkins, Scandrick, New Guy, New Guy, Senseless
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 12:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I bet Coples would rather be retired than play 5-tech
first of all, 5-tech is waste of his talent…. there isnt worse job on defensive line than 3-4 DE…. Coples will never agree to do this job, taking double teams frequently and just hold the space? nothing for him
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
That's not at all how 3-4 DE's work
How you obviously didn’t watch San Francisco this season (or heck, even JJ Watt) is beyond me. An talented 3-4 DE has been holding back this defense for years. We won’t get a consistent pass rush until we can get someone to take advantage of the single matchups Ratliff and Ware produce. Talented DE’s are absolutely needed in a 3-4 to make it an effective defense.
by Scientia on Jan 29, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd. Says it perfectly.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
or I obviously watched Frisco or even Texans, but I still know what is basic job for 5-tech...
the basic job is stil first thing, 5 tech is responsible for 2 gaps , and he need badly to hold the ground in running game…. cant allow reach block on second level… thats basic, then you can start name the best 5 techs in the game like Watt or Justin Smith, because they can do basic job excellent and can rush the passer very well…
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
That is incorrect. There are many 3-4 systems that are one-gap systems.
And regardless, Coples has incredible strength so I am not so sure why you are worried. You just admitted that Watt is a very successful 3-4 DE (in a one-gap system no less), and Coples is exactly seven pounds less than him.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
many? I know one and thats what is Wade Phillips running....
JJ Watt is amazing 5-tech, I really wanted that man last year….
I have never wrote, that Coples cant play 5-tech because of his size, I think he cant play it because of his attitude…just ask Redskins how much Haynesworth loved to play 5 tech… those stars players with questionable attitude are really bad idea….you need unselfish player and thats not what Coples is….
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
I think you are being too hard on Coples , I have seen some people be down on him but not like that.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
hard? really? that guy has questioned character all over him
he refused to finish plays this year and played on half motor on running plays… and now you guys want from him to switch to the least favourite position for defensive lineman…. from 43 DE, which is the most popular position on DL… good luck with that, no way that coples is going to play as 5 tech in a pro… thats just dreamin
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
see I hate this stuff
he refused to finish plays this year and played on half motor on running plays
show proof dude…if you are going to slander (and what you just typed is awful close to it) someone you should be willing to provide concrete proof….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
I can post bunting here....he is writing about those finishing
National football post:
Coming into the year I didn’t think there was a better senior prospect in the country than North Carolina DL Quinton Coples. At 6-5, 290-pounds he had the ability to create mismatches both inside and out and exhibited the skill set to win with both power/quickness routinely as a pass rusher. However, watching him early in the year and keying in on him this Saturday, the motor/passion just doesn’t seem to be there consistently enough. Now, he still has the talent to win at the college level even when he isn’t fully invested in the game. Nevertheless, you have to wonder if he’s playing his senior year at this point not to get hurt? The one big thing I noticed is that he rarely gets his hands up in passing lanes when he doesn’t reach the QB. A minor detail, but when defensive lineman put their arms up they expose their frames and are more open to a potential injury on the way down because they can’t protect themselves. I still love Coples as a physical talent, but his motor and passion are two areas of question and when you have those questions, it’s tough to sell that guy as the top prospect in the class.
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
see I don't classify that as a "motor issue"
bear in mind he had just watched two of his Teammates (Bruce Carter and Duenta Williams fall (Carter to round two, Williams didn’t even get drafted) after they got injured….
Both were considered round one talents prior to their injuries…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think he stopped to put his hands up because
injury scares s**t out of him….
Oddrick hasnt same problems and he saw how sean lee dropped from first round to second too….
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
With all that he still had as many sacks as JJ Watt did as a senior.
But if it is not Coples or Williams or Campbell or Avril or Jones then the Cowboys have almost no chance at getting more than nominally better at DE any time soon.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
what about Brockes?
dont believe Mario, or Avril are going to switch to 5-tech
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Brokers also could be the guy but he is more of a risk than Coples,
Brokers is a guy I pick up if I traded down.
He could be great but he is really inexperienced.
Mario can play anywhere. If we had him you could just go to a 5-2 4
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 6:32 AM CST up reply actions
I think he had a better resume than Brokers
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 1, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
Brockers if things work out could be the guy.
But he is more chancy than Coples.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 6:43 AM CST up reply actions
Him being concerned about getting injured
is an absolute fact.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
good to know, thanks Paul
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
if you're going to post his scouting report, at least post all of it
His last line is “Coples is a prospect that can literally be as good as he wants to be.”
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 6:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think that with right mentoring, Coples could be beast as 43 DE
I m not low on him at all…. I believe he can be player like Peppers… but I have really hard time believing he will turn into star as a 5 tech
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Well part of the problem in classifying 3-4
is that I think most 3-4 systems utilize both one and two gap techniques.
And I don’t know if Coples would refuse to play 3-4 DE considering UNC shifted him to DT all the time in both his junior and senior years.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
DT if you mean 3 tech is something absolutely different
Its second favourite Defensive line position, so I believe many players hasnt problem with rushing from 3 tech
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Yeah I believe it was 3 technique
but you questioned his ability to be unselfish and I think a DE agreeing to move inside is pretty much the anthesis of being selfish.
Regardless, you can absolutely play Coples as a 5-technique for Dallas and give him the same one-gap responsibilities that Coples had as a 3-technique. Both of the Ryan brothers are known to use both one and two gap techniques so I don’t see utilizing Coples’ talent being a problem. Plus, think about how valuable he could be in nickel situations (which are increasing by the year). Imagine a four man line of Ware, Ratliff, Coples, and whoever is playing SOLB for us.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
he totally looks the part
dominated the Senior Bowl
if he somehow falls to 14, I wouldn’t mind the pick at all because if Dallas drafts him then they did their homework
Jason Garrett won’t draft someone who is lazy and I know Rob Ryan would back that
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:15 PM CST reply actions
perfectly sums up my feelings about it
I’ve both sides to this guy.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
yeah its a mixed feeling
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Feel good to believe again
doesn’t it
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
yeah somewhat
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Still skeptical...
One of the biggest redflags in my book (outside of legal issues/hardcore drug programs) is motivation and effort. Coples consistently gave a half-hearted effort this past season for North Carolina. To me, lack of heart/effort/motivation is a character flaw. It’s not getting caught with a joint, it’s something that is in your DNA. If you slacked-off all season before, who is really confident in saying you won’t slack-off after getting a major payday in the NFL?
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Our resident scout's view...by Birddog
Coples will be a beast in the NFL
Some draft pundits out there took Coples drop off in production his senior year as meaning he was taking plays off. This was not the case at all. He was moved inside to tackle which is not his strong position. Top that off with spending all season being doubled team and getting chip blocked by the RB. He was litteraly having to take on 3 guys and he still did well. He plays like a beast at DE and could play with his hand down as an end or standing up as an outside linebacker. He plays fast and runs fast in the 40. He clocked a 4.67 for scouts at NC, this is fast when you consider an average end runs a 4.85. He was completely cleared by the NCAA in the UNC agent scandal. I do not see red flags out there.
Also when looking at some of the draft pundits pay close attention to what they say. Myself and several scouts had fun looking at some of the pindits scouting reports on Coples and saw them contradict themselves many times in their reports and then turn around and say he is a top 5 pick. I do not see Coples as a top 5, there is just to much talent in the top 5, but he should go somewhere between 7 and 14.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 29, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
The temptation with Coples is that offers the Cowboys an near instant fix for their defensive problems assuming the Cowboys can get a CB.
We need a guard on offense but we could address that in F/A.
Get Coples and we got enough guys who can rush on defense,
I don’t think we have to rebuild.
Get Coples and a CB in the draftand a free agent guard
and the road to the Superbowl runs through Dallas.
I don’t accept that we need to rebuild.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
We are not THAT close.
Still need the following:
DE
CB
NT
SOLB
FS
LG
RG
Center
Sensabaugh(SS) probably needs to be replaced as well. We aren’t getting all of these pieces in one offseason. Really I would be happy if we just finished the rebuild of our O-line this year and added one or two good defensive prospects. CB//FS/DL in the 2nd and 3rd. Grab one of the top interior lineman in the first. If DeCastro is gone trade back and grab Glenn and an extra 3rd. Get the other Guard or a new Center in FA this year.
Surely between Kowalski, Arkin, Nagy, Kosier, & Costa we can fill the one other spot on our line. Hopefully one of our Youglies emerges.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 29, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
No team is perfect.
We don’t have to be either. The Packers and Patriots didn’t exactly wipe out the league on defense.
Get a DE , CB and G and the Cowboys can do pretty well with the players they have. I know that Spencer is not what the Cowboys hoped for but with a DE the Cowboys could cover him up.
Were the Cowboys get draft Coples and a CB in round two plus get a good guard in F/A
I would be very happy to match the Cowboys against anyone else in the league.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
trade back and grab Glenn and an extra 3rd.
#Georgia OT Cordy Glenn had a tough time with Quinton Coples off edge, but was VG again inside #seniorbowl (@WesBunting)
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 2:24 AM CST up reply actions
If Coples can
run a 4.67, you can play him at SOLB in our 3-4 all other things being equal.
its amazing that Ware ran a 4.5
Osi was a high school friend and he was saying how Ware was a WR and just got bigger and bigger, but kept his speed
speaking of Osi, I would love to get him
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
If you played Osi at olb and just let him rush he would definitely be a factor.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
trade back and grab Glenn and an extra 3rd.
lockquote>#Georgia OT Cordy Glenn had a tough time with Quinton Coples off edge, but was VG again inside #seniorbowl (@WesBunting)
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 2:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think that is too hard on Spencer. He is not what the Cowboys hoped for but he is not completely worthless and doesn’t need to be urgently replaced.
The best way to explain Spencer is to mention that he is better than the defensive ends we have. They need to upgraded more than he does.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 2:27 AM CST up reply actions
Ummmm....NO
Yeah, I watched UNC play more than few times this past season. He wasn’t being triple-teamed or taking three guys on with any sort of regularity. That’s flat-out ridiculous. NFL teams don’t even triple-team D. Ware. He wasn’t moved to DT either, UNC lined him up there occasionally. However, he played at his natural DE position the vast majority of the time, so Birddog26 is simply wrong.
Here’s a link to UNC’s bowl game this past season. Funny, since when did a DT play on the end? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCzaIhsHLK4
What I did see was a guy that looked to be running at 1/2 or 3/4 speed most of the time. If the play wasn’t coming to him, he wasn’t making that extra effort to pursue backside or chase it down.
I don’t deny the kid’s talent. I question is heart and desire to play.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
That's some pretty awful game tape there.
I saw him make one TFL during that 6min of film. Now I’m no expert, but surely there’s some better tape out there cause that aint 1st round material.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 29, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
but Coples did not get moved to DT this year. In fact it was the exact opposite. He played DT his junior year because of the suspensions of guys like Marvin Austin. That was by far his best year. This year he moved outside to LDE. Not sure where BD got that from because I know he know’s his stuff.
Either way though, there were times where he was doubled or even tripled. He was almost always chipped with a back or TE.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
he was moved to RDE not LDE
But take notice of that youtube clip. He caused most of his damage when he was lined up inside at DT. Unstoppable there as a junior. But that clip you shared was what I saw alot of this year.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you....
I wanted to add that late but I’m not sure how to edit posts. I’m not sure where this guy Birddog is getting his info from.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Birddog is legit
i think he just got mixed up on this one.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 30, 2012 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
Coples was a basketball player so he can pull down rebounds like Sean Lee on a few of his INTs we've seen
Maybe they can play 1-on-1 in the off-season or help the Mavs with a playoff run…
Peppers was a basketball player , so was Ed Jones.
Basketball players often make good NFL players
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 31, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
Great fanpost Ramos
I think when Dallas is on the clock at #14 there should be a very good player sitting there. I think between Decastro, Ingram, Upshaw or Coples we will have a shot at least one of them
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Thanks. I enjoy reading your posts quite a bit. They're always very insightful.
Out of those 4 you mentioned, I’d be happy with any of them. I just think The upside on Coples is sky high compared to the other 3.
Great work BD26
I’ve been reading BTB for some months now & have to admit that I’m addicted to this blog. More & more I find myself reading up on what BD26 has to say. Cheers for the good work bud!
by 99yard_TD_Run on Jan 29, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think we would have to trade up to get Coples
I see him as easily being a top ten guy
In Romo we Trust
Right now my targets in the first rd
DeCastro, Coples, Ingram, Jenkins, Barron, and Poe.
Please, one of those 6 in the first rd.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Coples is peaking my interest, and maybe Rob Ryan's
I have been on the OLB bandwagon for some time now, but this is intriguing. With a player like this (assuming all the questions are answered), the defense could switch between the 3-4 and 4-3 without changing personnel. That has to tickle Ryan’s atherosclerotic little heart.
3-4 DL: Coples, Ratliff, Hatcher
3-4 LB: Ware, Carter, Lee, Spencer
4-3 DL: Ware, Coples, Ratliff, Hatcher
4-3 LB: Carter, Lee, Spencer
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
Well replace Spencer with Butler or Albright
and I would Love that lineup(would Prefer Albright)
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
I'm good with that, but I think they would have to add an OLB in the second round
Otherwise depth quickly becomes an issue. Besides, I haven’t seen enough from Albright to know if he can be the starter. And trying to get OLB pass rush talent lower than the 2nd is a wasted pick.
Spending the first two picks on front seven defensive talent would be great if they can address CB and G/C in free agency.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
just to be Clear
I , unlike others here, think Spencer is respectable. I was saying that because I don’t think that Spencer will be back….
Plus Albright has similar Triangle numbers as Ware. not saying that he will become that next Ware, but he certainly could be better than Spencer…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Albright has a really nice sackseer score. I wonder why he was not drafted.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
well
A: teams don’t really put much faith in “SackSeer Scores” yet
B: Albright was injured alot in College….hurt his production
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be too worried about Butler/Albright starting opposite Ware
Regardless of what one thinks of Spencer. However, that leaves the team with 3 OLB and I don’t want to see a JAG fill the fourth spot. I’m not saying they should bring in an all-pro as to back-up Ware; just don’t waste time with someone who doesn’t have genuine talent.
More so than other positions, a talented pass rushing OLB is very tough to get after the 2nd (feel free to correct me on this if you have data that says otherwise). Which, of course means that the secondary is going to have to be addressed in FA.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
love the idea...
I too was on the olb bandwagon… But this would be a quicker fix and like you said allow us to go 3-4 or 4-3. Just no Spencer…I’m with Ironman…Albright or Butler. I would say another OLB or DE in the 2nd round but that player would have to be special since we need DB help badly.
by Ramos on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Coples is the ideal guy to get Hatcher going... he can be dominant at times
the better we get at DE the easier it will be for Ratliff…
But at this point, the question is, would you take Coples and his psych issues over Dontari Poe and his role model behavior?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
What psych issues does Coples have?
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
In general 40 times are the most useless indicator of worth
Limited really only to WR’s in some cases, and CB’s/S. ALL the 40 does is show top end speed kinda, in underwear.
When is a DL or for that matter most positions going to run 40 yards down field in there underwear?
As Fan Thick and Thin said we don’t need some 350 lb guy who can’t rush the QB.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry if I don't take his word as the gospel
I’m sure New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay and Baltimore were wrong to draft Wilfork, Hampton, Raji and Ngata, respectively, and FiTaT was right.
Yeah…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
We had big guy who and was big and strong strong igor more vodka .
We also got Spears .
At any rate the Cowboys are pretty good at stopping the run
Detroit has Suh their defense still sucks.
Wilfork, Hampton, Raji and Ngata aren’t worth one Jason Pierre-Paul .
The value of a pass rusher is more than a big NT.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 1, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
You can't compare Igor (BTW a pot head too) or Spears to Wilfork, NGata, etc.
And although I agree that there are many ways one can develop a pass rush. A NT that can push a guard and center into the pocket should not be underestimated in helping your pass rush effort even though he himself only comes away with a sack a few times a year. Ask the guys to the left and right of those men (Ngata, Wilfork, and Raji) how their presence helps them do their job. Just cause they don’t have great sack totals doesn’t mean they aren’t helping the pass rush.
sure it is better to have one than not. But a big time pass rusher is worth more. The outer guys are almost are.
Just like Lawrence Taylor is worth more than Ray Lewis or a great CB is more valuable than a great safety.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 3, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
No, not in the 3-4 it isn't
Seymour is much less effective without a plugger like Wilfork next to him and he’s the best 3-4 Rush end to have played the position in a decade.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Some just won't accept/get it,
that just cause these guys do not have double digit sacks doesn’t mean that they are not an integral part of the pass rush especially in a 3-4. I cans see the need for a 3-4 NT as plain as day. Countless times last 2-3 seasons I have seen the opposing QB’s evade the outside pass rush by stepping into the pocket, getting that extra 1/2 second, and delivering the ball. BTW Hicks seems like an interesting prospect that we can target late in the draft, very athletic for a guy his size but will need to be coached up some.
When is a DL or for that matter most positions going to run 40 yards down field in there underwear?
KInd of a cliche but not so.
another way to measure acceleration. Lots of great pass rushers have great 40 times.It is certainly not the only measure but it is a useful measure.
JPP didn’t have a great sack seer score. But he did have great 40 times.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
Yes. Poe was second-team Conference USA as voted on by the coaches.
Talents that should be taken at #14 don’t usually fail to make the first team in lower conferences.
Poe is an intriguing prospect, but I don’t think he is in play for the first round.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Perhaps. Maybe he's just not in play at #14.
I suppose I could see him going to Pittsburgh or somebody in the late first round.
Something just seems a bit off about this big guy not being a consensus first team choice for his conference. For the other great NTs in this league, BJ Raji, Vince Wilfork, and Haloti Ngata (although he technically plays a lot of DE), earning high praise was never a problem.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
3-4's are uncommon in that part of the college football world
…and he drew doubles on EVERY play.
Like I said, we’ll come back to this after the picks come in.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I'm not down for big money for Mario
unless by fluke he agrees to play 5-tech, I’d rather have Spencer at OLB and sign two midlevel CB FAs
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How does Coples compare to Robert Quinn
another UNC defensive ace who came out last year. Quinn had 5 sacks on a bad team, which is good for a rookie
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Giants have Jason Pierre Paul
The Cowboys need someone to match him
His name is Tyron Smith.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
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