Draft Talk: Vinny Curry
Vinny Curry opened some eyes yesterday and boosted his draft stock with his strong performance in the Senior Bowl. I see a lot of people down on Ingram and Upshaw right now. Ingram made a few plays and Upshaw had a sack, but the coaches and most of the scouts leave on the last day of practices for a reason.
The actual Senior Bowl game doesn't hold as much clout as the drills and practices do. That is why more often than not, that a offensive player is the games MVP.
But that doesn't take away anything from what Vinny Curry did yesterday. Before this game, I had put a 3rd-4th round grade on the Marshall defensive standout. His performance today, should put him in the 2nd round. If he has a good combine, we could see a team picking late in the first round take a stab at him. If he doesn't have the athletic numbers at the combine, then I would slot him in the 2-4 round range.
Previously I mentioned that the Giants would probably be a team interested in Curry. He has the size (6'3 265) and strength to be a good fit in the 4-3 defense as a defensive end. Curry is also from Neptune, New Jersey and the Giants do like the local kids. Vinny Curry also has the size, strength, and pass rushing ability to play as a 3-4 OLB. He will be getting looked at by both 3-4 and 4-3 teams.
I must admit I was pretty intrigued by Curry in the Senior Bowl. I think I saw one Marshall game this year and Curry played pretty well. The problem is that I don't get too many Marshall games. This is why I love Senior Bowl week and the combine. It finally gives me the opportunity to see these prospects showcase their talents.
So I typed in Vinny Curry on Google. This poor kid Vinny Curry is next to Vinny from the Jersey Shore on Google searches. I am looking for the cool Vinny, not the alcoholic kid who dresses like a square and "smushes" grenades on a nightly basis. Apparently, Vinny and Vinny Curry are both from Jersey. But I don't think you will see these two "youts" (My Cousin Vinny joke) fist bumping and "Jersey Turnpiking" all night long anytime soon.
Okay, so enough of the Jersey Shore and My Cousin Vinny jokes. Sorry guys, I couldn't help myself.
Vinny Curry DE/OLB Marshall
So on my search to become more enlightened about our buddy Vinny from Jersey here, I found some interesting stuff.
- All Conference USA First Team
- Conference USA Defensive Player Of The Year
- Team Captain
- Mid Season All American
- NCAA active leader in tackles for loss with 48
- 26.5 career sacks
- 23 sacks the last two years
- 21.5 tackles for loss in 2011 (ranked 2nd nationally)
- 2011- 77 tackles, 22 tackles for loss, 11 sacks, 7 forced fumbles, 3 blocked extra points, 1 safety
- 2010- 94 tackles, 18 tackles for loss, 12 sacks
- 2009- 59 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks
- Nominated for Bronco Nagurski, Chuck Bednarik, and the Rotary Lombardi awards
- Vinny's mother Linda "Cissy" Jackson passed away earlier in the season from cancer. After attending to the services for her, Vinny comes back to Marshall to face Rice University. Curry goes out and honors his mother with a great game. 9 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 4 tackles for loss, a forced fumble, and a recovered fumble.
Here are some comments from Vinny down at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama
Courtesy of http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/01/passion_inspiration_motivate_m.html
This week, he wants to show NFL scouts that he is ready to realize his dream.
"It's a great opportunity," he said. "I'm excited to be here among some of the greats of college football, a game that we all love to play. I'm a very passionate guy. That's my personality. I love this type of environment and I just love to play football, so when you're among people who love to play football, it's fun to be out there.
"I'm very confident and I'm very ambitious. I can't wait to learn new things, especially from the team that picks me (in the draft). I want to learn everything I can. I want to be a sponge and just soak up everything that I can."
Along the way, he wants to demonstrate that he belongs here and on an NFL roster.
"Coming from a small school, not a BCS conference school, I just want to enjoy the week, do what I do and continue to keep my motor going and go out there and have fun," Curry said. "I don't want to play with too much pressure and just go out and play my game."
Here are some comments for Vinny down in Mobile, Alabama again.
Courtesy of http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/201201260224
"Every play, every down is a job interview," Curry said. "Everybody we go against is good. It's the best all of the time. This is basically like the Pro Bowl for college players."
"I'm just trying to be the same guy I was at Marshall," Curry said. "The same Vinny with a smile on his face. Trying to make plays and make people proud."
Then what some of the draft wizards had to say about Curry down at the Senior Bowl.
Courtesy of http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/201201260224
- Vic Ketchman, packers.com editor - "A day after leaping to prominence by darting into the backfield and forcing a fumble, the undersized pass rusher was the star of the day in the North squad's practice for Saturday's Senior Bowl game. Following the morning session, Curry was surrounded by scouts seeking personal information.
- "He was quick, elusive, forceful and disruptive. He looked every part of a playmaker. Curry was the best of the tweeners in a Senior Bowl that is loaded with tweeners on both teams' rosters."
- Tony Pauline, SI.com draft analyst - "Very athletic, very quick, natural pass rusher. Quick change of direction. Has all the attributes to make the change to outside linebacker in a 3-4."
- New York Times NFL Blog - "Curry showed his quick burst off the edge and ability to penetrate against the run against top competition. There are still blemishes in his game, but he'll have many teams taking a second look at his tape."
- Mike Mayock, NFL Network - "I like Vinny Curry. He plays with a great motor, great leverage. He gets up the field. He's quick. I think he's probably a second-round pick."
He did a Q&A recently and I liked some of his answers, check this out.
Courtesy of http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2012/01/a_chat_with_marshall_de_vinny_.html
Q: What have you thought about the experience of working with NFL coaches?
A: I love it. I love getting coached, and I like learning new things. I'm just very excited.Q: And in interviews, what do you highlight about yourself?
A: I'm a guy who loves the game. A guy who plays with phenomenal passion, and a guy who makes plays.Q: You've been very productive, both in terms of sacks and tackles. Why is that?
A: Teams schemed for me, so I tried to elevate my game with seven forced fumbles. I'm just a hard worker, and I play with as much passion as I can. I love playing at Marshall. I love being a part of the Herd. I wanted to bring them a conference championship. But at least we brought them a bowl championship.
Okay so that is a lot to filter through. Let me start off with saying I admire how Curry played through major adversity this year. I cannot imagine how hard it must have been to go out and play a game after losing your mother. That right there tells me this kid can play through anything. He has thick skin and can channel his emotion the right way. We need more warriors on this team and Curry looks like he will be a warrior on the field.
Vinny Curry has performed at a very high level and was a huge producer for Marshall. The one problem I have with Curry is his level of competition. Marshall doesn't play in a big time conference loaded with NFL talent. Conference USA isn't exactly the SEC, but Curry did play against some talented teams.
That is why it was important for Curry to show up this week at the Senior Bowl. Curry performed at a high level against some of the best senior college football players in the nation. The bowl games like this are very important for small school draft prospects. It gives them the stage and chance to perform against some of the best competition that they didn't face during the regular season.
What I really like about Vinny Curry is his build. He is 6'3 and 265 pounds. He has that lean muscular frame I like and is very compact. Curry looks to be very strong and stout, meaning he could perform well against the run as a 3-4 OLB.
He did display some athleticism during the week in the individual drills, but there was one play during the game that stood out to me. The South team ran a play action pass and Curry was not fooled at all. As he was motioning to his left, he realized the play was coming back to his right. Curry then planted his foot into the ground and made a great cutback to where the play was developing. It shows that he has football intelligence and the athleticism to be a play maker.
People will point out the tackles and sacks Curry had, but that play was the most impressive for me. It's amazing how one play can tell you so much about a prospect. I know it's one play, but that showed me Curry has football IQ and the athleticism to play in the NFL.
So we know Curry has the athletic ability, but is he the RKG? From everything I have read about Curry, he totally seems like he fits the Cowboys criteria. In his interviews, Curry comes across as a really nice kid. I like when I see a humble young man, and Curry does come across that way.
From what I listed above, it looks like Curry is a hard worker with a strong work ethic. I would label Curry as a blue collar prospect, a guy who wants to get dirty earning his living and I like that about Curry. He loves football and has a strong passion for the game. Not every prospect loves the game, but Curry does and that's great to see.
I usually like to compare a prospect I am breaking down to a current NFL player. Curry reminds me of former Dallas Cowboy Greg Ellis, even though Greg Ellis was closer to 6'6 while Curry is 6'3, I just see some Greg Ellis when I look at Vinny Curry. Curry also reminds me of New York Giant, Matthias Kiwanuka. Like Ellis, Kiwanuka is taller (6'5) than Curry (6'3), but I can see some resemblances in Vinny Curry.
The Senior Bowl definitely upped Curry's stock heading into the NFL Combine, which takes place in February. If Curry goes to Indianapolis and performs well, we could then see his draft stock take off. What I like about Curry is that it gives the Cowboys options. If they decided to draft a G or CB in the first round, Curry would then be a great fit for us in the second round. It's always a good thing to have options.
I believe that Curry is a well rounded player who could play early on in his career. The Cowboys could plug Curry into Anthony Spencer's spot and expect solid production from Curry. I will say this though, there is some Anthony Spencer in Vinny Curry. That necessarily isn't a bad thing, but I don't expect Curry to be a 12-15 sack a year player. I think Curry will be real productive against the run and anywhere from a 6-10 sack a year player.
Curry is a good athlete, but he may be similar to Spencer in terms of athleticism. This is why the combine is so important for me. I like using some of the drills performed at the combine to get a better feel for what Curry can do as a pass rusher.
But in the second round, Curry looks like a great fit. Maybe if the Cowboys had drafted Anthony Spencer in the second or third round, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
So pencil in Vinny Curry's name onto the Cowboys draft list of potential targets. Anthony Spencer's job is on the line and it looks like there are a bunch of worthy replacements in this years draft class. The only problem is, the list is stocked in the first two rounds. After that, the list gets really thin. Now we have another target worthy of our attention and his name is Vinny Curry from Jersey.
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I've always had him as a second rounder
now I’m starting to think he is a solid first round pick.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
same here Lissyyyyy
he is a guy I am paying closer attention to as the draft comes closer
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I always had him as second round pick too... but
honestly, I dont like this guy as 3-4 OLB…. I see him more like 43 strong side DE, becasue I dont think he is something special when it comes to rushing the passer….
he could be really decent for 43, but isnt type of pass rushing prospect I m looking for
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
yeah I can see where you are coming from
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Unlike Chia I have no idea where you are coming
The guy had 11 sacks last season and ranked 3rd in the NCAA with 22 TFL. Pass rushing is what he is known for.
For real dude, where are you getting this from?
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I was referring to him being a good fit in a 4-3
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
you just having a hard time letting go of Ingram Chia?....
just poking…combbine is going to shake things up a little bit I think…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 29, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's rather obvious
Ingram’s his pet cat, he just stuck his neck out for him a few days ago, he can’t back off the pick now.
Now if Ingram gets upstaged at the combine by Vinny Curry, he might change his tune.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
na that won't happen
I can back off when ever I want, but I won’t
Ingram is going to have a great combine
honestly, I think the Cowboys are looking at 3 guys, DeCastro Upshaw and Jenkins
word is they have it out big time for CBs
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you know I'm messing with you.
I agree, they want CBs. I still think talking to Upshaw was a smoke screen. I think they’re more interested in Ingram as a first rd pass rusher.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I know dude
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
yup thats my boy
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Once again stats can be misleading.
Go look at the game logs. Of his 11 sacks 8.5 cam in 3 games against below average schools. The Southern Miss game looks better than it is because USM started the year off badly. In the 3 biggest games of his season, West Virginia, Va Tech, and Houston Curry had 0 sacks, 0 TFL, and 10 tackles.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Ingram's stats can be misleading as well
Most of his sacks this past season came lined up from the DT position and not coming off the edge.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree not advocating Ingram, or anyone for that matter.
Just reigning in Chia’s normal over exuberance with a little stat fun.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
lol like you did with Von Miller?
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
I was just about to post something to that affect
In fact if you want I can bring up several quotes that sound similar to what you have been saying about Curry…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
lol
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Big difference between Miller and Curry.
Miller performed his best in big games.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
Curry has some ability, but the SB OT's were pretty weak as a group.
Like to see some of his measurables at the Combine to see if he has the speed and change of direction.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
yeah thats why I am looking forward to the combine myself
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
He's a beast
It would be a nice “Situation” if we get him…. See what I did there???
Seriously though kid has a high motor and I’ve heard nothing but good things about him all year. I live in Houston and watched him when UH played Marshall. He stuck out like a sore thumb…he was the focus of the Cougars o-line. He didn’t do much but he opened opportunities for his teammates in the pressure game. He’ll make a quick transition to the NFL IMO.
I’ll take anyone over Spencer at this point.
lol
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
ditto
I live in Houston and I saw the effort that was put in to taking Curry out of the game. This kid can play. I want us to go heavy at DB but if he is there when we pick in the 2nd and we pass on him it will be a big mistake. I have seen Marshall play a few times and he can play down or stand up.
Hell and Horse Manure.....HIT SOMEONE
by sexililkitti on Feb 1, 2012 1:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i have liked viny curry since a long ago but i have doubts about him playing 3-4
knowing he’s 265 is good though, i had the idea he was like 250
Sign Carl Nix and Jason Jones
1) Janoris Jenkins
2) Curry
3 )Chandler Jones use 5th to get to the top of round 3
4) Senio Kelemete use 6th and seventh to get to the top of round 4
how many years and how much money would you like to throw on Nicks?
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
I don’t know but Jason Jones could come cheap.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
even JJ wont be cheap.... no offense but many people here want to sign Nicks...
but they have no idea for prize….
Logan Mankins get 6 years 51 mil as 29years old, so look for something like 6 years – 60 mil….
Nick is just 26 years old, so I wont be shocked if something like 7 years is done….
to me, he will be the next highest paid guard….
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
I don't think
you have to go that high. His running partner at guard for N.O. got 57 mil. The Mankins contract got 30 mil guranteed and a 25 mil signing bonus. Somewhere between 52 to 55 mil should get us talking. Then it gets down to years and guranteed dollars.
If the Cowboys get Nicks and Jones it would let the Cowboys kick back and go BPA in the draft without worrying about trade ups.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 2:43 AM CST up reply actions
This draft seems to be really deep in rush linebacker and CBs
the list of rush LBs seems to keep going and going.
Courtney Upshaw
Ingram
Curry
Chandler Jones
Irvin
Curry
its not really deep on pass rushers, they will all be gone by the end of the 2nd
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Green Curry - Spicey Thai Rice
I’m fully onboard the Vinny Curry bus.
In fact, I’d prefer to target DeCastro or a CB (should one drop) in the 1st round versus taking Ingram or Upshaw at #14, and take a shot at selecting Curry in the 2nd round.
I love the kid’s hustle/effort, which in football is half the battle.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Awesome Post Chia
I’m glad you took the time to look up Curry.
For a comparison to Anthony Spencer here’s both of their career numbers in perspective:
1) Spencer with 3 year’s starting at Purdue, had 21 career sacks (one season at or above 10) and 43 career tackles for loss.
2) Curry with 3 years starting at Marshall, had 26 career sacks (had double digits his final two years) making him 2nd among active leaders in sacks, and 48 tackles for loss (NCAA’s all-time leader).
Also of note, according to the Kirwan Production Ration, Vinny Curry was in the top 3 amongst Massaquoi and Bruce Irvin, as the three pass rushers most likely to have productive careers in the NFL. The ratio simply adds up total career sacks + total career tackles for loss and then divides that number by career games played. A number of 1.5 or higher indicates the player having a good career in the NFL, Vinny Curry’s number was hovering close to 2.0. For context, Spencer’s number I believe was about 1.47
(You can take a look at OCC’s post from a few weeks ago. I forgot what it was titled).
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 1:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It was appropriately titled Finding Playmaking Outside Linebackers In The 2012 Draft . And tomorrow at 6:00 am ET, its companion piece, Finding Playmaking Defensive Linemen, will go up.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 29, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, how quickly I forgot after 2 weeks
Curry’s 3 year production score was 1.68, but the final two years it was 2.5 (these numbers suggest splash plays per game).
Spencer’s production ratio in college was 1.38 not 1.47 (Albright’s score).
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
It also said..
Spencer had a ratio in the high 2’s (if I remember correctly) if you only count his last two years.
by BigDumbFace on Jan 29, 2012 9:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well his last year is the one that was monstrous.
His third year in school was actually underwhelming with 3 sacks and 7.5 TFLs.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Look forward to reading the DL post tomorrow
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Stats are good, but skewed somewhat because of level of competition.
Curry seems like the real deal, but a plus athlete playing mid tier football should dominate. Like Ware at Troy. It is a good sign, but far from making him a can’t miss prospect.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
yeah thats what I was kinda getting at with the level of competition
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
seems Ware didn't have a problem with the transition...
small school kid that jumped all the way to early middle of first round….if Curry completely destroys at the combine you might be looking at a similar situation….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 29, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Last I checked no one is saying Curry's a can't miss guy
But that doesn’t mean someone like me can’t like him more than an Ingram or Upshaw.
Curry’s isn’t short like those two, and he’s got longer arms than both of them. Curry also has better explosion than Upshaw, and better strength than Ingram.
Yes, Ingram and Upshaw had great weeks of practice, but to deny Curry his due as he also had a great week of practice is lazy. I noticed Chia’s post saying something to the effect scouts and coaches take more stock out of practice than the games. If anyone watche the practices for the North team, Mayock was praising Curry all week.
The lasting images that will stick with me from the practices-Cordy Glenn stonewalling both Ingram and Upshaw time and time again, using their weaknesses against them. He stood up Upshaw on several occasions, taking advantage of his lack of explosion. Against Ingram, Glenn basically just stuck his arms out and shoved him aside. Glenn is a guy who will either play RT or G in the league, and Glenn was dominating both these guys from either Tackle position. To me it was a foreshadow of what would happen on Saturday, as Upshaw was only able to get a coverage sack, as Mayock harped on about.
Contrast to the North practices, the only negative play I saw this week from Curry was an instance where he jumped offsides. Otherwise he was beasting one one drills. There were several instances where he was pancaking the offensive lineman! He more than held his own against Ohio St’s Mike Adams.
I honestly wasn’t surprised one bit that Vinny Curry played well yesterday.
There’s a reason why Mike Mayock keeps saying that the best way to use Upshaw and Ingram is to move around, inside, outside, and on the line, because he knows those two won’t be able to survive as pure edge rushers.
Birddog, our resident scout (in his response to my question in Chia’s post about Ingram), said that Curry could become a really good 3-4 OLB after one year of developing. Based off of what I’ve seen and read, I believe this.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Once again I am not saying Curry will not be a good player.
What I am saying is that the film I have seen and the fact he played small in big games does not make me as excited about him as others like Upshaw. Of course I am also a person that thinks Donta Hightower would make a very good SOLB. When he played there in special packages he was pretty hard to block. He also has the size everyone loves so much.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
What's holding Curry back from being a 1st rounder?
The fact that he played at Marshall?
by BrickTop on Jan 29, 2012 1:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
thats it...
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 29, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
basically
The fact DeMarcus Ware played at Troy made him a late first-early second rd prospect. Credit to Jerry and the scouts for denying Bill the chance to Spears ahead of Ware.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
credit that combine performance
Ware killed that combine
whoever it was that spoke up for Ware, thank god
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
I have a hunch Curry won’t disappoint at the combine.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I am a huge Vinny Curry fan.
If anyone is interested on seeing more of him, go check out this analysis of his play against Ohio State here. His first step and talent is pretty obvious on here.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Here is the link again, but this time it will open in a new window.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
That is some pretty disheartening film.
Even the positive part of the tape was very mediocre. Has a quick first step, but no moves and showed very little power. Was run up field a lot and was washed out repeatedly on running plays.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
have to disagree with you on the disheartening part....
good solid burst…..plays to the whistle…will fight his way thru trash….goes sideline to sideline….
now he does need to work on moves instead of relying on his quickness, but remember this was in 2010…..not this past year…would like to see the update to see how he has improved his game,….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 29, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
If anyone saw the North's practices this week
It’s hard to come away with anything but positives for Vinny Curry.
He was holding his own against the oline in one on one drills, and playing to the whistle.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really? We watched different things then.
First off, there are two sacks on there where he is playing way above his normal talent competition.
Second of all, he showed he can work back inside after an initial speed rush. I would say that qualifies as a move. Now, does he work a spin or a bull rush, not really, but I would say the potential is there considering his ability to shed one on one blocks.
And as far as being run up the field and being washed out, welcome to life as a speed-DE where the talent around you is pretty mediocre (I am 99% sure you would have seen the same criticism of Ware’s game coming out of college). In addition, that film doesn’t show a whole lot of OSU running at him. Most of their stuff was interior or to the other side.
I honestly don’t know what you were watching. At the very least you have to discount it considering it was almost two years ago.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
remember
this is BigD you are talking to….
just to refresh your memory…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Miller rushed the passer very well this year, but was never asked to cover.
Yes he played very well for the Broncos and will deservedly be the DROY, but if being wrong once makes all of my opinions invalid you must be freaking Jesus.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
I was just ribbing you man
Hell I will be the first to admit when I am wrong…..ain’t no Shame there……
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry long day at work has me a little testy.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
np understood
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
it not being wrong once.
it’s that you were so adamant that Von Miller was an over-hyped prospect. when you’re that insistent and you’re that spectacularly wrong, its hard to take anything you say seriously.
I actually thought you had bailed from BTB because of it.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 31, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Also reading my posts I was not incorrect.
I never said he could not rush the passer. I said he would have trouble as a 3-4 OLB against the run. Considering he started 15 games and managed 64 tackles in a 4-3 I don’t see that I was wrong. Once again with Curry not saying he won’t be a very good player, just saying I have not seen enough to make me comfortable passing on one of the bigger school kids that has done it on a bigger stage.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
64 tackles is pretty good
especially for a Rookie…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Also reading my posts I was not incorrect.
L-M-A-O.
no, you weren’t incorrect at all. Von Miller is just like Victor Butler!
Miller is just a more hyped Victor Butler.
Yep go look at Millers and Butlers stats.
They are very similar. They are built the same and have almost identical measurables
So similar. From the 37" vertical to the 4.06 short shuttle to almost winning defensive ROY to both their first names starting with V! Butler and Miller are virtual carbon copies!
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
from this thread.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/1/22/1950794/back-to-basics-the-robert-quinn-edition#57582868
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Ware was posting 11 sacks a year back when he didn't have moves
now he gets 19.5 on a down year
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Creasy
In your opinion, where does he rank amongst this year’s pass rusher class?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 2:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I will have a better idea after the combine, but I am quite bullish on Curry.
I think that his ceiling, with his athleticism and length, is pretty high. I like him better than Irvin and Branch, but for now have him a tier below Perry, Ingram, and Upshaw if for no other reason than they played against tougher competition and all have unique athletic abilities. After the combine though is where I will really settle into ranking guys. For now, I am kind of just in the business of separating possible good draft picks from bad. Curry is certainly in the good category for me right now.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Say Curry puts up crazy good combine numbers
Would anyone be mad if we took him in the 1st?
by BrickTop on Jan 29, 2012 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
how about this scenario...
Decastro is gone when we get on the cloack at 14 and Kirkpatrick just didn’t make anybody feel better about his recent mistake……we take a decent offer to trade down to the 20’s….if Curry does well at the combine I feel we could take him there or there is this kid from Illinois…Mercilus….get one of them at the end of the first…
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by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 30, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
I think tons of people would be mad.
You can’t rule anything out though. At this point in the draft process in 2005, D-Ware had a long way to climb to our spot at #11. Just look at this link. It’s actually kind of funny in a sad way that SI listed his first step out of a three point stance as a negative for him.
If Vinny Curry goes to the combine and puts up a 35"+ vertical with a low short shuttle time, I won’t be complaining if we pull the trigger.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Dallas wont draft this guy bc they are idiots..
by lostar2009 on Jan 29, 2012 2:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
LOVE vinny curry
rkg, great pass rusher… i think if we go decastro or jenkins or kirkpatrick in the first we gotta go curry in the second
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by Michael IceBone Sisemore on Jan 29, 2012 7:19 PM CST reply actions
yes!
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
my bad lol
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
6-10 sacks is
an improvement of .5 to 4 sacks a year over Spencer. 6-10 sacks a year is comprable to Willie McGinest, who was drafted #4 over all. Not too different on the size – Willie was 6’5 270lbs most of his career. I mention this to contextualize what getting 6-10 sacks a year means. McGinest averaged 7, was a long time performer for the best NE teams of 2001-2005
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 30, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions
Spencer is better than our defensive ends or CBs
We ought to focus on what is really hurting us first.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 AM CST reply actions
Call me crazy
But after the combine I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted Curry in the first. Assuming DeCastro is gone.
by BrickTop on Jan 30, 2012 3:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I have seen some people come out and say that
you know I can’t go that far and agree, but if his numbers are good then why not
personally, my theory is that the Cowboys really like 3 players
DeCastro, Upshaw and Jenkins
I am curious to see how they like Kirkpatrick as well
there is a lot of CB talk going on in Dallas from what I am hearing on the various Cowboys sites, Cowboys Nation is reporting that, so I bet Jenkins is a big time legit option at 14
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I read they are focusing on DB's as well.
But I think they should take advantage of a deep cb class. They could pick one or two up in the 3rd and/or 4th rounds. Our defense line is not our strength. We need to get a replacement for Spencer or get a solid defensive line player with are 14th. Or DeCastro of course..
by BrickTop on Jan 30, 2012 6:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He has that lean muscular frame I like

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+1
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 30, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
I SAW CURRY GETTING OWNED ALOT THIS YEAR......LET'S USE THE GIANTS MODEL INSTEAD
FREE AGENCY: Jerrah should sign Carl Nicks (OG), Mario Willliams (DE) or Calais Campbell (DE), and Paul Soliai (NT). With Carl Nicks on the OL and Mario or Calais and Paul added to our DL, we’d SEE a drastic improvement to our PASS RUSH and RUN DEFENSE!!! Yes, we could fit these FA signings into our current Salary Cap…..and they’re ALL young guys….LOL!!!
NFL DRAFT: Dallas should draft a good man-cover CB (i.e. Janoris Jenkins to compete with our practice squad CB Mario Butler), a backup stud RB like Terrance Ganaway (6’1" 241lbs/3rd & short/goal-line battering ram), and the Center from Wisconsin in the DRAFT and pay them at the Rookie Pay Scale rate. NOTE: RB Terrance Ganaway is the ‘animal’ that played with Robert Griffin (Heisman Winner) at Baylor and gained 1,547yds and scored 21 TDs this year alone!!!! If Demarco goes down again this year, this BEAST could pickup the running load without missing a beat!!!
With an improved Pass Rush, these 1st year CBs and our current group of (young but experienced) CBs would drastically improve our secondary. They’d be picking off passes left and right from our improved Pass Rush. With an improved RUN DEFENSE, our Inside LB’ers (with super fast Bruce Carter and Sean Lee) and outside LB’ers would be policing up any RB’s that tried to go inside or bounce outside because of (big-boy) Paul Soliai at NG and either (monster) Calais or Mario at DE. You’d also wouldn’t be seeing Brandon Jacobs (or any RB) gnashing us for 4-6yds runs on 1st down or "making it look easy" on 3rd&short/1st &goalline or have to hear him or Justin Tack talking trash about our WEAK ( middle) Defensive anymore.
Cowboys Offense: Drafting Terrance Ganaway would make HIM a terror on 3rd&short and 1st& goal-line. Ganaway running behind Carl Nicks and Doug Free would be a gorgeous sight to see for Cowboy fans world-wide. Demarco and Ganaway would be our OWN (Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs) for years to come!!! And did I mention that Romo would have even bigger success with JG’s play-action passing plays

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