Is the problem Anthony Spencer, or is he the victim of his surroundings?
When my wife was pregnant, I stopped drinking alcohol to show support for her in fostering the best environment possible to give our child every advantage. Those were nine long months.
I did not know that she would need to abstain from ingesting alcohol for another 6 months while breast feeding. In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess.
Just as the six months were over, we were blessed with our second pregnancy. It was almost immediate, and I had not taken advantage of the small window, thinking that I would have a few months to enjoy the wonderful flavor of a malty, smooth beverage trickling down my throat.
Pardon me while, uh... Aaaah. Thank you.
Anyhow, another 15 months of a self-imposed prohibition came and went. Two and a half years without a sip of beer.
Now mind you, I was tempted, but not for any reason that immediately comes to mind. No, I was tempted by my wife's uncle from Portland, Oregon. A self-proclaimed beer connoisseur, he explored my beer fridge (yes, I have a refrigerator that is used almost exclusively for beer. Have I mentioned that my wife is awesome?), and selected a wonderfully blended Milk Stout.
It was difficult to see him drink the beer. Considering that he knew both of us had abstained for around 16 months at that point, I am surprised that he poured the full bodied nectar into a chilled glass and brought the ambrosia to his lips. We stood around and spoke while he slowly sipped the suds.
Then it happened, he left the glass half full (or half empty, depending upon your viewpoint) and casually noted that he was full. That's right, he left a half-drank beer. A great beer that sat on the counter tempting me, annoying me because of the wastefulness of the situation.
Is it wrong to kick a guest out of your home for that? How about if he was the pastor who married you?
Excuse me again... Aaaah.
Forgive me for the lengthy introduction. But I cannot help but thinking that this whole idea of giving up on Anthony Spencer may be a lot like leaving a beer half full. If Spencer is a Bud Light...eh, no big deal. But what if Anthony is really a Samuel Smith Nut Brown Ale?
About a month ago, Kegbearer wrote a thought provoking comparison study on Anthony Spencer (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/1/5/2685499/anthony-spencer-dallas-cowboys-better-than-you-think). It was illuminating, interesting, and original: everything that the mainstream media misses. Please take time to click on the link if you missed it the first time around.
Then I read a tweet where Bryan Broaddus of ESPN radio and ESPNDallas.com was mentioning that the Cowboys were looking to upgrade the center position this offseason (http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/01/teasing-out-cowboys-off-season.html). Stephen Jones (who is the ying to father Jerry's yang) also noted that Dallas was interested in improving the secondary and the interior of the offensive line. Jerry echoed the sentiment regarding the offensive line (espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4689754/cowboys-rush-the-middle-of-the-offensive-line).
Listening to "The Football Show" on ESPN radio, I was reminded that Doug Free put together a solid campaign when paired with Kyle Kosier on the left side of the line in 2010. Free's second season at left tackle, however, left a lot to be desired (http://sturminator.blogspot.com/).
The biggest change affecting Doug Free was that Kyle Kosier was not immediately to his right. In fact, the coaches directed a large portion of the credit for Tyron Smith's development to Kosier. My interpretation of what Jerry and Stephen were discretely noting is that by upgrading the play at center, the guards, and by extension the tackles would experience a significant improvement in their level of play.
Well, if improving the talent from the inside out could lead to exponential gains along the offensive line, why would that same theory not work on the defensive line? Last season's early unobtainable favorite was originally a projected 5-technique defensive end, Nick Fairley. By the time the draft rolled around, it seemed that the Cowboys had narrowed their primary targets to JJ Watt and Tyron Smith when the 9th pick came along.
Perhaps the Cowboys knew they needed to bolster the defensive end position to improve the defense. A talent like Tyron Smith, however, could not be passed over.
Then I watched the playoffs. I noticed that the teams playing primarily a 3-4 defense applying pressure to opponents had several disruptive defensive ends capable of consistently getting penetration into the backfield.
San Francisco had two pressure defensive ends in Ray McDonald (9.5 sacks) and Justin Smith (8.0 sacks). Houston also boasted two productive defensive ends in JJ Watt (9.0 sacks) and Antonio Smith (7.5 sacks). Haloti Ngata (5.0 sacks) spent time at defensive end for Baltimore, opposite Cory Redding (4.5 sacks), but also saw Pernell McPhee get plenty of pressure (6.0 sacks).
In fact, what was missing this past season from the Packers defense? The disruptive defensive end that played alongside nose tackle BJ Raji in 2010, Cullen Jenkins (7.0 sacks in 2010), was now collecting 5.5 sacks as a defensive tackle in Philadelphia.
How did that affect pass rusher extraordinaire Clay Matthews from the outside linebacker position? Matthews went from collecting 13.5 sacks in 2010 (and 10.0 sacks in 2009) playing mostly alongside Cullen Jenkins, to only registering 6.0 sacks in 2011.
Coincidentally, Anthony Spencer registered 6.0 sacks in 2011. So if losing a devastatingly disruptive defensive end could drop an elite outside linebacker's production from 13.5 to 6 sacks in one season, why could the acquisition of a productive defensive end not lead to greater production from Anthony Spencer? Maybe even helping Anthony garner double digit sacks for the first time in his career.
Could Dallas draft a defensive end and save Anthony Spencer's career, as well as exponentially improve the amount of pressure this defense could generate? Instead of dismissing a player that was obtained using a premium draft pick (a premium draft, mmm), perhaps this is what the Cowboys are/were thinking. Remember that for the first time, the Cowboys are seriously considering moving Ratliff to defensive end, leaving a need for perhaps just one disruptive defensive end
And please feel free to suggest a nice, full-bodied, malted beverage. My thanks in advance.
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Long answer.........no
Surrounding talent has nothing to do with Spencer’s inability to beat his man.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Agreed. Schematically I don't even know how this would make sense.
Regardless of who lines up next to him, Spencer will be rushing at the tackle and will almost certainly have no specified help with D-Ware on the other side. I suppose the only way it would work is if the DE was so disruptive that the tackle had to help down and Spencer was left on a TE. If Spencer needs to be blocked by a TE to win his matchup, I think we can definitely stand to upgrade the position. And, in addition, I would question this because during most of the good pass-rushing snaps we actually play a traditional four man front where Anthony beating his man should have little to do with who is next to him.
Regardless of all that though, I think the logic on here is a little questionable. I can buy that Jenkins hurt Matthews’ production a bit, but I think it is probably just as logical to say that teams game-planned for the Packers better. Nick Collins was out and kind of neutralized the Packers’ ability to use Charles Woodson as a great blitzer off the edge. That, combined with even more attention being sent Matthews’ way (something Spencer doesn’t have to worry about), probably lowered his numbers as much as anything. In addition, you could look at the worse performance of the Packers’ secondary as a possible factor. I am not sure you can just say that Cullen Jenkins by himself was responsible for Clay having a worse season. Would you say that the sole loss of Ken Hamlin affected the Dallas defense so strongly in 2010?
And, for the last time, replacing Spencer doesn’t mean we don’t recognize our holes elsewhere. People like myself who want to replace Spencer don’t think he is our sole problem or that our DEs are great. We just see a player who has hit his ceiling as a below-average pass rusher and is likely not going to get any better. Sounds like a player that the Eagles or Patriots would get rid of. Sounds like a player that the Cowboys of the past would overpay to stay and then wonder in a year or two why we handed out that contract. Which type of organization would you prefer to cheer for?
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
For all the reasons
Creasy elloquently raised, I too want Spencer off the roster.
We can draft Spencer’s replacement im the first or second round and still address other needs in the draft and free agency.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 8:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
We keep Spencer around.
That way we focus on DE and DB.
Is Spencer the ultimate LB but he is good enough that you don’t need to replace him right away.
Coples + Spencer would be better than than Ingram + Crick/ Wynn
That is not knock on Ingram is it more about Spencer not being that bad.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather draft
Either DeCastro, Coples, or Poe in the first rd and come back in the second rd and draft Vinny Curry to be Spencer’s replacement.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But, . . .
. . . it is a corner deep draft, no?
you can wait on CB to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rd
you don’t need to blow your wad on first rd pick
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, I'm not sure why the logic of the post isn't followed
With the 3-4 defense, there are 5 defensive people that line up to engage to O line. That is, both OLBs, both DEs and the NT. That’s 5 people. However, the NT and DEs (just those 3 people), are designed to engage the the 5 O lineman. That’s 3 on 5 (by design).
That’s the DESIGN. However, whenever your DEs don’t draw 2 O lineman and are handled via single man blocking (like the OG), then that frees up the tackles for the OLBs. Throw in the occasional “chip” by the RB or TE on that OLB and you’ve got consistent double teams on the OLBs. All because the DEs are handled by one lineman instead of 2.
If you upgrade the DE to where that one person requires 2 O lineman to block them, the OLBs have an easier time.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 30, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Ware does just fine, what's Spencer's excuse?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 11:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
he isn't as good as Ware?
and if that is the problem…I have a hard time seeing any upgrades in this draft right now
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
AGREED
NO ONE is as good as WARE. No one playing NOW and perhaps NO ONE ever. The kid just may be the best OLB to ever play the game.
And you want Spencer to be that too?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
He isnt ware
And isn’t used like ware either. His roll is not the same and therefor won’t have the same production as ware that’s just common sense.
by Sado44 on Jan 31, 2012 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well put...
That’s the main point is seems most Spencer apologists want to ignore: Spencer’s failure to win his man-on-man battles.
Spencer simply isn’t a dynamic pass-rusher who has an arsenal of moves when one technique is stifled. This is what alarms me most about Courtney Upshaw because I see the same type of passrusher. In fact, his sack yesterday in the Senior Bowl was a perfect example.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
by Phillyboijr on Jan 29, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
one on ones
watching #93 against a RT is really painful
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
He shouldn't have to WIN 1 on 1 battles vs the RT
if the 3-4 was working correctly, the RT would be occupied by the LDE. If the offense tried to handle a pass rushing DE w/ just the RG, then that LDE needs to be recording sacks.
Hell, I welcome an offensive strategy where the T takes on the OLB one on one. Because that means the DE is one on one as well.
That’s where the failure lies…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 30, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
there are going to be times, a lot of times he takes on a RT
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, true
in those cases, he should be mano y mano w/ the RT. Remember, Spencer was 1st in the league in QB pressures from the SOLB position. QB pressures are what a lot of SOLBs get (and not sacks) because right handed QBs can SEE the SOLB coming at them and they get rid of the ball.
A lot (actually a majority) of Ware’s sack occur because the QB doesn’t even know he’s there.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 30, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Again...
…please provide a link that shows Spencer lead the league in pressures from the SOLB spot.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
From BTB's own
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/1/12/2701577/dallas-cowboys-defense-pass-rush-grade
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/1/11/2698078/dallas-cowboys-2011-defense-pass-rush-grade
In the articles, Spencer’s pressure rates are listed. When compared to other LOLBs (not including Matthews who is utilized like a ROLB as per Kegbearer’s article), he has the most.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 4, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
we need a DE for our defense to make the next jump..
With or without Anthony Spencer
by lostar2009 on Jan 29, 2012 1:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
nice write up....
I posted something similar in another article……I think that if we increase the pressure coming from the interior of the defensive line then the outside players would benefit….of course everyone wants the newest toy out there instead of maybe giving the tried and true option another chance….
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by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 29, 2012 1:50 AM CST reply actions
Spencer could be ok if you had better guys around him
If you get Mario or Campbell or Avril you can’t afford to resign Spencer
If you trade up to get Coples or sign Jason Jones you can afford to resign Spencer.
Jason Jones would be a good guy to complement Spencer. Each of them could give you six sacks.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 3:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I have to say
If the Cowboys signed Mario Williams, he will be playing Spencer’s postion, Left OLB. Mario is a 4-3 DE, and 3-4 OLB.
The only 3-4 DE you mentioned in that group is Calais Campbell.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 8:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
question Roh
If the Cowboys picked Couples where would you put him?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
I would put Coples at 3-4 DE
because that is a similar position to 43 DT. When Coples was a Junior in 2010 he had his best season as 43 DT. In 2011 they switched him to 43DE, and his numbers went down. To confirm this, you should ask Tarheel Paul.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 9:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
so why would you put Couples at DE
and stand Mario up?
couples is 6-6 280
Mario is 6-6 280 also….
put up the following numbers at the combine:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 35
Vertical Jump: 40 1/2
Broad Jump: 10’00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.37
3-Cone Drill: 7.21
for comparison here is JJ Watts:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 34
Vertical Jump: 37
Broad Jump: 10’00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.21
3-Cone Drill: 6.88
other than the 3-cone drill, (which isn’t a big a factor as a 5 tech) they put up similar numbers….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Mario Williams
Has never played 34DE, it’s not a primary pass rush position.
Williams has played 43DE (until2010) and 34OLB (as of 2011).
My whole point is Mario Williams will not sign with ANOTHER 34 team. If he signs with a 34 team it will be the Texans. By asking Williams to play 34DE, you’d essentially move him to 43 DT, a position he hasn’t played. You’re taking him out of his comfort level. He won’t do it. Just cause he might be able to do it doesn’t mean he WANTS to do it or CAN do it.
If he signs elswhere he will go back to playing his 43DE positon, the same way Greg Ellis did when he left Dallas to play 43DE for the Raiders.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yet he played as a 3-4 OLB
which was “out of his Comfort area”….and when Wade was first Hired, the talk was mostly that Williams would play as a DE, ala Bruce Smith….(who was coached by Wade during the 90’s Buffalo teams)
I would imagine that the Transition to 3-4 DE, wouldn’t be as extreme as moving to OLB, as it would eliminate Mario’s biggest issue, his ability to see the snap …
and just because Ellis went back to a 4-3 DE doesn’t mean that Williams will…Ellis was what 33 years old when he left Dallas? More than likely the Raiders were the only team that offered him a contract….Mario is 26 years old…HUGE difference there…
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I'm more than 90% positive
Mario Williams will not sign with a 3-4 team unless it’s Houston.
Greg Ellis expressed desire to play in the 43 after the Cowboys didn’t bring him back.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Coples and Mario both of them?
Ware , Mario and Coples.
That would be interesting.
That might enough make Alan Ball look like a pro bowl defensive back.
(Well maybe that would mean if you also had Lawrence Taylor in his prime too. )
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Williams Jason Jones or Coples could play DE in the 3-4.
3-4 DEs don’t need to just be Space eaters.
If we get Mario we could play a lot of 5-2
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
Could play is different from CAN play and WANTS to play
If you’re Mario Williams, you’ve spent your College and most of your NFL career playing 43 DE. The only reason to not go to a team that will play you at 43DE is if you want to stay with the Texans and play 34 OLB. If he signs with another team, he’s not going to want to play either 34 OLB or 34DE.
As far as Jason Jones is concerned, I think he could make the transition from 43 DT to 34DE. However, I don’t see him coming to Dallas for the following reasons:
a) The Eagles and Rams have ties to him from Jeff Fisher’s and Jim Washburn’s days in Tennessee.
b) Jones’ sacks have gotten worse each year: 2008 (5 in 13 games), 2009 (4 in 7 games), 2010 (3.5 in 15 games), 2011 (3 sacks in 14 games). Judging by this, the injury he suffered in 2009 must have limited his potential long term.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where does the "he wants to play" come from?
When he was told by Wade he didn’t know if he’d like the position but he went on with it anyways and did well until he got hurt. Theres been nothing recently that says he does not want to play the position that I’ve seen.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
by Final Frame on Jan 29, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
We ought to make a good effort to sign Jason Jones. He is the fourth or fifth best option for us at DE and he could be an big upgrade on what we have.
We don’t just have to accept the situation.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
The guy I want to see is Campbell
Jason Jones may or may not be on the Cowboys radar.
Calais Campbell should be on their radar.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 1:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t disagree with you. But I think chasing Campbell is a lost cause.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Generally accepted position is that he will get tagged by ARI.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 29, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
but I think can get Jason Jones.
He is better than what we have now and can get better.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 29, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
One
Problem I have with using two olb one for pass and one for run is you get alot of audibles. That’s why you keep a good solid run stuffer at the strong side and decent pass rusher to get the qbs attention while your blind side rusher cleans up.
by Sado44 on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
One
Problem I have with using two olb one for pass and one for run is you get alot of audibles. That’s why you keep a good solid run stuffer at the strong side and decent pass rusher to get the qbs attention while your blind side rusher cleans up.
by Sado44 on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The argument has some merit...
but I don’t think the Cowboys are biting. Or in this case, sipping. The Cowboys tend to resign their players before their contracts expire. There are cases where they don’t. I suspect that may have something to do with players wanting to at least test the market. In this case it seems mutual that both sides of the fence want to test the market. The Cowboys, well, Jerry also tends to leak it to the media when they’re interested in resigning their talent. In this case, crickets chirping seems to indicate the Cowboys intentions.
And your wife sounds like a lucky lady to have you walk that road beside her. Cheers!
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first off rec'd Scarlet
second off I am not sure if your idea would work….
as you noted San Fran has two pass rushing DE’s yet their SOLB, Ahmad Brooks, got only 7 sacks last year….
While Spencer is a serviceable OLB, and Having a Better set of DE’s would help,I think that Dallas should move Spencer to the WOLB and Ware to the SOLB….
Now before you say that Ware needs to be pass rushing all the time, thus needs to be on the weak side, I disagree. Ware is a Better athlete than Spencer so he would be better as the Jack of all trades OLB. which most
Spencer on the other hand (athletically speaking) is as good as Aldon Smith(14.5 sacks)
See Here
Now if Smith can get 14.5 sacks as a “weak side OLB” why couldn’t Spencer? Especially with Teams keying on Ware on the right side….just a thought…..
and if you think that Ware wouldn’t be rushing the passer as a SOLB, remember Spencer rushed the Passer 400+ times from the SOLB/DE spot last year…out of a possible 545 pass att.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 8:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Here's why it won't work
Teams put their worst starting tackle at RT. Spencer, since becoming a starter, has averaged 6 sacks a year going against primarily RTs.
If you put Spencer against LTs, the premier position on the offensive line, Spencer’s numbers would be a whole lot worse.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 8:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
then how do you explain Aldon Smith?
I should have explained a bit better…
LIke I said in my post, if you move Ratliff out to the LDE spot, that will Allow you to move Spencer to the LOLB spot. With Ware on the other side, that forces teams to slide there protection that way, thus Freeing Spencer up(the LT will take on Ratliff not Spencer.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
The difference between Spencer and Smith
Anthony Spencer as a starter for 3 years at Purdue totaled 21 career sacks: 2004 (7.5), 2005 (3.0), 2006 (10.5). He never reached his full potential. It was marred by up and down, play, until the light went on in his final year, even then he wasn’t considered that great of player, but was a slightly better athlete than Lamarr Woodley (who outproduced Spencer in college).
Aldon Smith, started roughly 22 games (full season in 2009, and 9 games in 2010). In 2009 as a redshirt freshman, Aldon Smith had 11.5 sacks; in 2010 he played only 9 games because of injuries, and registered 6 sacks. He flashed his potential to be a star player early on.
Spencer after two seasons at Purdue had 10.5 sacks in 20+ games, while Smith had 17.5 sacks over his first two seasons. In Spencer’s third season as a College player he had 10.5 sacks, while in what would have been Smith’s 2011 rookie season in the NFL (which would have been his third college season) he had 14 sacks.
Smith is a case of potential meeting production. On the otherhand, Spencer is a case of potential never meeting production. Spencer is the late bloomer in college who cons the coaches and scouts into thinking that if he’s put in the right environment then his untapped potential will pay dividends.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
just to
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
clarify
Aldon Smith’s 2011 Rookie season in the NFL would’ve been his redshirt Junior season at Missouri.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Spencer plays LOLB while Ware plays ROLB
The LT takes on the 43RDE or the 34ROLB while the RT takes on the 43LE or 34 LOLB.
The Left side of the offense matches up with the right side of the defense. The offense’s right side plays the left side of the defense.
It’ll make sense if you visualize facing yourself in the mirror.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Further
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
furthermore*
A LT or RT facing our defense won’t take on Ratliff, that would be either the LG/RG/C’s responsibility depending on what position Ratliff was lined up in-NT, LE, RE.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No
Outside of his average skills to slightly above average Spencer lacks the things that make you stand out besides numbers. HUNGER, INTENSITY, MOTOR.
So many believe he can be better or blame talent around him, sorry he is what he is. He’s a JAG point of blank period. Disappears for weeks at a time and I often forget he’s on the field.
But again he doesn’t play with that passion, drive, and intensity you wanna see from your defense. He’s not the only one as I believe you need to have your role players play that way to be a force on defense. But he has the privilege of playing opposite of D WARE so there will be more focus on him.
Remember he said it himself he mailed it in at times. I do not want that guy on my team at all. A guy like Ingram would be an instant upgrade with his hunger, intensity and motor alone. In this case Spencers numbers do lie. Yes they are adequate but do not make any difference or make plays of significance.
Spencers replacement will be key in the defense but the other role players will be too. With atleast 4-6 role players that are the RKG that play with passion, a motor, and intensity the defense will be way better. Guys like James, Spencer, Newman, Brookings, Coleman, and Ball all are too comfortable and don’t have those things anymore to go along with lack of impact talent.
by CowboyWay on Jan 29, 2012 9:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Please remember that Spencer is one of the first players to not have the benefit of working with Parcells.
Bradie James, Tony Romo, Jason Witten, DeMarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, and Miles Austin are the core of the Cowboys. I find it more than coincidental that all of them established their work ethic under Parcells. Say what you wish about Big Bill, but the afore mentioned players have always been recognized as the hard-working soul of this team.
Anthony Spencer, Doug Free, Dez Bryant, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, and Felix Jones comprise the starters that were drafted under Wade. Every one of those players’ short careers have been marred by wild inconsistency.
From an athlete’s perspective, inconsistency is not a product of talent, but rather practice habits. The only athlete that has overcome poor practice supervision that was drafted by Wade is Sean Lee: a guy that does not need the structure that Parcells offered as a head coach.
Garrett wants to return to the structure that this team desperatley needs. Jason has not even had an entire off season to implement these changes. Yet most on this site want to blame the players for the lack of structure necessary for 90% of athletes.
Speaking from personal experience, most athletes need a strong coach to push them to levels that the athletes do not know they are capable of achieving. Sometimes this is called professionalism. It is a learned trait in most, but some athletes (I estimate it to be 10%) have it so engrained that it is manifested regardless of the environment.
Sean Lee is one of the 10%. Anthony Spencer, Doug Free, Dez Bryant, Mike Jenkins, and so forth need the structure provided through a well run organization. Under Wade, this structure was sorely lacking, and Jerry (a man that is also self-driven) has difficulty comprehending the necessity of having individuals pushed to excel.
Had Anthony Spencer been drafted under the Parcells regime, I doubt that he would be floundering now. The expectations set forth by Wade instilled that poor practice habits in the NFL (for the Cowboys) are permitted. When an athlete that lacks that internal motor is shown how to practice, and those habits are faulty, the athlete’s practice ritual is inherently flawed, leading to unfulfilled potential.
It is maddening to watch an athlete waste God-given talent (much like wathcing a good beer go to waste). Sometimes, however, the athlete’s limitations are not augmented by the coaching staff. Who is to blame in that case?
When Anthony spoke last season of his poor practice habits, that was a direct indictment of Wade’s management of the coches under him and the players. I do not completely absolve Spencer and the other players of blame, but it is difficult to hold them accountable for the environmental factors that exacerbated their weaknesses.
Afterall, it is the responsibility of the coaches to provide an environment conducive for the athletes to reach their full potential, regardless of the athlete. This is what the media pundits mistakenly identify as a lack of leadership on the team among the players. Stronger leaders would help, but in an environment devoid of structure, leadership cannot flourish.
by ScarletO on Jan 29, 2012 10:22 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Dez Bryant has already shown he's in that 10% as well
From his rookie seaso (500+ receiving yards) to his sophmore season (900+receiving yards) he’s taking the natural progression a WR takes. By year 3, barring injury (please stay healthy) he should be well over 1000 yards receiving. Dez in his first 2 seasons has scored 17 total TDs. He’s more than showing he’s not going to bust.
Anthony Spencer, as I said above was a typical late college bloomer whose final year numbers in college trick scouts and coaches into thinking that if the player gets into their system then his untapped potential will pay off big time.
Mike Jenkins problem is injuries, Woicik should help with that, and having to overcompensate for Allen Ball’s poor play at FS in 2010, he doesn’t have to worry abput that anymore.
Felix Jones was drafted to be a situational/change of pace player, which was his role at Arkansas. If you judge Felix that way, then you’re happy with him, the problem is, he shouldn’t have gone in the first rd, but that’s neither here nor there. The more work Felix gets, the more banged up he gets.
So no, the Parcells bit really doesn’t hold true. The only one the Parcells argument applies to is Anthony “I took plays off” Spencer.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Spencer's biggest problem
is he has had to stand up as a SOLB in a 3-4 as opposed to being a 4-3 DE. He actually has performed the required duties of thed 3-4 SOLB statisically pretty well when compared to his peers. Spencer really has Jason Babin disease when Babin played for Houston. Babin surely was no sack master early in his career. He is now in a 4-3 alignement and he is a beast. However, whether we let Spencer go or not it won’t make much difference if we can’t get corners who can cover slant passes. Pass rushes don’t stop those.
Jason Babin
played in a 43 defenses since 2006:
2006: Houston-5 sacks
2007 and 2008: 4 games with Seattle 0 sacks.
2008: KC-2 sacks in 7 games
2009: Philadelphia-2.5 sacks
2010: Titans-12.5 sacks
2011: Philadelphia-18 sacks
It’s not the 43 defense, it’s Jim Washburn’s Wide 9 defense. He played with Washburn in 2010 at Tennesse, and again in 2011 at Philly.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jason Babin
was a SOLB in his first years with Houston just like Spencer. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BabiJa20.htm. He now has the Philly secondary to cover wideouts and plays in a 4-3 defense. He has no coverage responsibilities so he can just pin his ears back. If the Wide 9 were the answer to all pass rush prayers, Trent Cole would have had 40 sacks. I’m not matching Babin’s physical skills with Spencer’s but rather that both were DLs in college who were asked to stand up early in their careers as pros and it affected their pass rush abilities.
Again
Babin was playing in 43 defenses prior to his second stint with the Eagles.
In 2010 he played in Jim Washburn’s Wide 9 43 defense with the Titans. In 2011 he again played in Jim Washburn’s wide 9 43 defense, this time with the Eagles. The wide 9 IS responsible for Babin’s success, not the 43. He played in the 43 with the Seahawks and his first Eagles stint and was garbage.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is maddening to watch an athlete waste God-given talent
Spencer really has Jason Babin disease
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w / 4.40 / 33
x / 4.43 / 32.5
y / 4.07 / 38.5
y / 4.14 / 34
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 29, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
huh?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 12:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
FiTaT is challenging the notion that somehow Spencer has untapped athletic potential.
The last set of numbers is Babin’s combine results, which clearly peg him as a superior athlete to x’s numbers (who is Anthony Spencer).
In addition, the first ‘y’ is Demarcus Ware (seriously those numbers are mind blowing). I can’t peg who ‘w’ is, but clearly they aren’t a great athlete. Both ‘w’ and ‘x’ have less initial burst than Babin and significantly less agility.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
First numbers are Victor Butler, I am betting.....
Height: 6022
Weight: 248
40 Yrd Dash: 4.76
20 Yrd Dash: 2.79
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 33
Broad Jump: 09’05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
3-Cone Drill: 7.21
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
Question
Jason Pierre-Paul: Vertical Leap: 30.5, Short Shuttle: 4.6 seconds.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
That is an admittedly confusing result considering JPP is regarding as a physical freak.
His forty time was pretty darn good so perhaps that compensates for his lack of vertical. His broad jump of 9’9" also was decent I think.
Altogether though, something doesn’t make a whole ton of sense there. He was described as a freak athlete in the position drills but his numbers don’t jive. For the short shuttle, I almost guarantee that is a result of poor combine preparation. Watching him today, there is no way that is his ceiling in that drill. The vertical is much more difficult to explain but whatever haha.
Just goes to show you have to scout a guy as well as review his measurables. I think it may also speak to what length can mean for pass rushers. JPP apparently has insanely long arms and perhaps that really does allow him some sort of advantage.
As FiTaT would say though, a false negative is never going to be as painful as a false positive.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Sack Seer is good
But they need to come up with an alternate test cause it isn’t perfect.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 31, 2012 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
SackSEER predicted Daniel Taeo'Nasheim to be really good
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
whoops
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim*
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
ya. I think Dallas should get T’eo.
He got caught behind some tremendous depth in Philly.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 3, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
they need to come up with an alternate test cause it isn’t perfect.
false. the question isn’t ‘is it perfect’. The question is it an improvement over the alternative. I think the answer is a resounding yes.
I don’t see you saying teams need to come up with alternative to scouts because scouts ’aren’t perfect’. In fact, scouts probably have a worse record than sackseer.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 3, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
the guy who created Sackseer made his sig ‘Sorry JPP’
but it’s classic anecdotal evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Anecdotal evidence is not necessarily representative of a “typical” experience; statistical evidence can more accurately determine how typical something is.
for every JPP, there are 10 Brandon Grahams, Ghostons, Derrick Harvey, Anthony Spencer, Derrick Morgans, etc.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
and another thing is that
THe SackSeer Guys will tell you that the idea is not to “predict who will be good”, but to Weed out those that aren’t…it is a subtle difference, like having a problem drinking vs a drinking problem……
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
that is correct. it does a better job of identifying busts.
but the main point for me, is I’d much rather be selecting from the pool of players with 4.2 SS and 36" vertical than the pool of 4.6 SS and 30" vertical.
Ware, Clay Matthews, Von Miller, Babin, Wake, Trent Cole, Suggs, Barwin, Long, Peppers, etc etc were in pool 1.
JPP is in pool 2.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed. No system is ever going to be perfect.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Is the problem Anthony Spencer, or is he the victim of his surroundings?
no, he’s not. I’m not going to argue but I really hope that Spencer moves on so we get a clear comparison (i.e. watch Spencer’s replacement on Dallas and watch Spencer on another team).
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 29, 2012 10:41 AM CST reply actions
I agree
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
He'l probably end up in Houston and get 10 sacks, lol
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Jan 29, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think Spencer is the problem
but I would say that the DL is part of the problem
regardless, I have seen this Boilermaker not win one on ones far too many times
ideally, a disruptive five tech and a replacement for Spencer is what we all want
Spencer is an average player that was drafted in the first round, heck we traded picks to move back into the first for him
if we were to re-grade Spencer, I would give him a 3rd round grade right now
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions
yeah I am ready to move on
stamp him as a bust and lets just move on
sucks, but its the truth
I really thought we got a awesome player back in 2007, well we didn’t
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
this Boilermaker makes my blood boil
see what I did there?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
So let me make sure I got this straight.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
So let me make sure I got this straight.
Spencer is a BUST?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Define Bust
JaMarcuss Russell.
Ryan Leaf.
Anthony Spencer? You guys are on crack
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 30, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
He's more of a Bobby Carpenter type of bust
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
he's better than Carpenter! c'mon!
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I must be watching different games
if there’s anyone who thinks Carpenter is anywhere in Spencer’s league, then please send me a note and let’s chat. I’m dying to hear your explanation of comparison.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 31, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Bust
A player’s whose less-than-stellar perfromance on the field belies his relative draft position, salary and/or hype.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Spencer was the 26th pick overall
Not the 2nd…I can think of quite a few other OLBs that were picked 26th or higher that are worse:
Jerod Mayo
Dj Williams
David Pollack
Manny Lawson
Bobby Carpenter
Vernon Gholston
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 1, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Jerod Mayo?
The guy who has been to Pro Bowls and made an All-Pro team in 2010? I don’t know if I can take you seriously after listing him there. It makes me wonder if you follow football.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Good catch
I meant Vernon Gholston (I always get those 2 mixed up). I remembered his name and included him at the end but forgot to go back and delete Mayo.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Haha okay.
The rest of the list is okay although DJ Williams is strictly a 4-3 guy and Pollack was playing DE I believe before he injured his neck.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Busts all
…except for Mayo, who has been a beast.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
yeah he's the only defender I can name on NE now
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
"A replacement for
Spencer" is what YOU want. As far as I am concerned it won’t matter because we can’t cover other teams wideouts and pass rushes don’t stop 3 step drops. The secondary needs the makeover the O-Line got with at least 2 new corners and 2 new safeties.Then you can play the Rob Ryan “blitz from everywhere” concept he was hired to employ. Everyone wants to use Spencer as their “strawman” but remember we still only won one playoff game when we got 59 sacks and led the league. No one complained about Spencer then.
by jevans1729 on Jan 30, 2012 6:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
interesting but he had his chances
but i wouldn’t mind him another year in order to adress greater needs
Here's to...
… Abstinence. Others, even our own (in pursuit of a greater goal). To friends and family taste-testing temptations revealing the character of the person, whether for mirth or intent or both. To resisting temptations other than when “Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again” or “…Moderation is for monks” ought apply. To quaffed brews.
To Cowboys. More importantly, to cowboys, be they guys or gals.
To unagendaed, non-reactionary, considered thought and reasoning within a comprehensive perspective. To solving the challenges, devoid of emotion.
Sacks matter when safeties. Less so otherwise. Focus on single/double-digit’s a chimera.
Your reaction if, overall, your proposed solution (whoever you are and whatever it is) fails to solve the whole of the challenge, but exacerbates it? Merry-go-round’s make you merry?

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by tanstaafl on Jan 29, 2012 3:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A tall Grumpy Bear please.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
i am not a fan of canty, and granted, they play different positions, but he has
seemed to flourish with the giants. My only hope, if we let him go, we don’t regret it.
Jerry regrets it
It sounded like it during his interview on NFL Network on tuesday.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 8:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Spencer is better than our defensive ends
Which is why I don’t know why everyone is pointing the finger at Spencer when that fact is we need an upgrade at DE more than we need an upgrade at LB.
It might be a good idea to replace Spencer but it is not an urgent problem.
The situation at DE and CB is what really need to be be fixed
The Cowboys need help on defense in this order
CB
DE
FS
ILB
OLB
Spencer is far down the list when it comes to the Cowboys problems.
He isn’t that much of a problem.
I would probably
FS ahead of DE. You can always use your front three guys to occupy blockers through your pass rush schemes i.e. overloads on one side or the other, A gap/slot blitzes, etc. I agree with you that Spencer is down the list as far as the defense’s problems go.
a nice DE can help a defense like no one else.
You can get by with sub- par safety play.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
It's not necessarily an either or. I would love to upgrade both, and I think it can be done.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
This would be a best case scenario
if Dallas signed Chris Calias from Arizona. I think Spencer is adequate. Those really good NE 3-4s of the early 2000s had invested many resources in their front 3 — Ty Warren and Vince Worfolk types.
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 30, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions
think how different it would e if we had kept Stephen Bowen
we should of kept Stephen Bowen. Oh well. It’s freaky to think the moderate contract Ray McDonald recieved to play in SF would make him the highest paid DE in Dallas
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I’m saddened Dallas didn’t think Bowen was worth 5 years, 27 million. Kind of under valued by Dallas in the end
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
It appears,
strictly based on the players being kept and/or let go, that the Cowboys are putting their money into the second level players (LBs). You can do that if you can cover people. This needs to be the year for the secondary. This is a strong draft for corners. If not now, when?
I am more saddened that Dallas didn't pursue Cullen Jenkins.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Couldn't agree more
His Eagles teammates couldn’t stop talking about his quickness and strength.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
The guy is past 30 he is a one or two year fix.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 31, 2012 1:34 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that is necessarily true.
Are you telling me that in three years Cullen Jenkins will be worth less than Marcus Spears and Kenyon Coleman? Almost no way.
And, D-lineman can play for awhile and still be effective. Will he be super-disruptive in three years? Probably not. Could he still be average to above-average? Absolutely.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Here is what Pat Kirwan had to say on this subject on Bob Sturm's site:
http://sturminator.blogspot.com/
Pat Kirwan: “We always talk about the 3-4 outside linebackers when talking with Bill Cowher, and he wants to start with his defensive ends. Go Study the tapes. Aaron Smith sets up a lot of things. He’s so good that he forces the tackle to go with him into the B-gap and then the outside rusher is on a back. The guys that build (The 3-4 schemes) will tell you to start right there (with the defensive ends). Not with the outside linebackers. They are the finishing touch – we are going to set it up so that they are going to be on backs a lot, and when that happens, you are going to win.”
“Most guys treat Dallas as if they are a 4-3 defense. They don’t believe DeMarcus is ever going to drop and they don’t believe the other guy is that much of a threat, so they look at you as if you are what we call a “4-3 Under”. If you stop the film right after the snap, the Cowboys look just like a 4-3 under defense all of the time."
“I think if you were playing a true 3-4, then Ratliff should not be a nose tackle. He should be out, just like Vince Wilfork, who is playing more as a 5-technique quite a bit now and I think Haloti Ngata got everybody creatively thinking about how to do it. But as long as you are playing basically a 4-3 defense and Ratliff is basically a 1-gap player, he’s ok there.”
Kirwan was then asked about the wisdom of ever dropping Ware into coverage. Why would you ever drop your best rusher into pass defense?
“You better do it once in a while, because if you don’t, they will just call him the end in the protection schemes and the tackle is always going to turn to him. And the guard will always turn to the “5-technique” and the back will always be on the (inside) linebacker."
by ScarletO on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I have been saying this for the past 3 years:
They don’t believe DeMarcus is ever going to drop and they don’t believe the other guy is that much of a threat, so they look at you as if you are what we call a "4-3 Under". If you stop the film right after the snap, the Cowboys look just like a 4-3 under defense all of the time."
why do I want Mario Williams?
The guys that build (The 3-4 schemes) will tell you to start right there (with the defensive ends). Not with the outside linebackers. They are the finishing touch – we are going to set it up so that they are going to be on backs a lot, and when that happens, you are going to win."
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Mario is not going to play a 5tech
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Mario Williams didn't play 34 DE on Houston last year, he played Ware's position which was 34 OLB
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

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