Results Of Prospect Interviews Could Play A Key Role In Cowboys Draft Picks
Over the past couple of weeks, the draft talk has switched into high gear, here and everywhere else among Cowboys fans. And as we all get acquainted with this year's draft class, everybody has a different method for forming an opinion about a given prospect.
Some of us put great weight in what draft analysts have to say, some form conclusive opinions from watching snippets of college highlights on youtube, some put a lot of emphasis on measurables like height, weight and speed, and others look at college production as a way to evaluate prospects. And the Combine in four week's time will provide even more data points for everybody, regardless of your preferred method of evaluating prospects.
None of the approaches described is necessarily wrong, but they are all missing one key ingredient that happens outside our purview, that we are not privy to and that carries a significant weight in every team's draft decisions: prospect interviews.
At the Combine, NFL teams get to interview up to 60 prospects for 15 minutes each. Prior to the Combine, teams submit the names of the players they want to talk to, and the interviews are scheduled throughout the duration of the Combine.
Typically, these interviews would focus on a player's character, mental aptitude and their overall football intelligence. Many of the prospects have already spoken with scouts during various College All-Star games, but for many underclassmen, this is the first time they get personal with an NFL team, and as a result, the underclassmen are the players that usually get the most interviews at the combine.
This is especially true for players that have raised flags during the scouting process for any number of reasons, including - but limited to - medical issues, questions of maturity, run-ins with the law, general 'character concerns' or drug issues.
Last year, CBSsports published a scout's poll of 15 high profile players who had a lot riding on their interviews for various reasons:
- Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
- Jon Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
- Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
- Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
- A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
- Greg Little, WR, North Carolina
- Jake Locker, QB, Washington
- Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
- Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
- Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
- Jabaal Sheard, DE, Pittsburgh
- Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
- Tyron Smith, OT, USC
- Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
- Titus Young, WR, Boise State
After the Combine in early April, teams are allowed to invite up to 30 national prospects for further interviews to their facilities. In the past, these interviews have been a good indication for who the Cowboys will eventually pick in the draft. The Cowboys' last six top picks - Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Spencer, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Dez Bryant and Tyron Smith - all visited Valley Ranch as part of the Cowboys' pre-draft visits.
Additionally, teams are allowed to bring in an unlimited amount of local prospects for pre-draft interviews. The Cowboys host these "Dallas Days" for draft-eligible players with roots in the Dallas-Fort Worth region.
So there will be a lot of interviews done before the draft boards are finally set. If you look at the list of names above, you'll likely remember a 'concern' about almost every one of those players last year, an I'm using the word 'concern' to cover just about anything. For Tyron Smith for example, the 'concerns' were about whether he could bulk up to 300+ pounds while maintaining his athleticism and about whether a then 20-year old was mature enough to play in the NFL.
Today, we are very happy that the Cowboys did not let those 'concerns' deter them from selecting Tyron Smith.
This year, there are once again players that have 'concerns' attached to them, again for a variety of reasons ranging from medical to legal that I won't get into here. Here's a shortlist of some of these players:
- DE Quinton Coples (motivation)
- CB Janoris Jenkins (drugs)
- CB Dre Kirkpatrick (drugs)
- CB Cliff Harris (legal)
- OLB Courtney Upshaw (legal)
- S Mark Barron (legal)
- C Peter Konz (medical)
- LB Vontaze Burfict (motivation)
- FS Janzen Jackson (legal)
Based on their skills, any of these players would make a good addition to the Cowboys roster. But whether they even make it onto the Cowboys big board is something that will likely be determined via the player interviews.
The term "character issues" gets thrown around way too much and much too indiscriminately. Some guys deserve the label, but many guys get it due to a misguided moral certitude that's unilaterally applied. Who and what exactly determines if someone's character is flawed or if a person is of questionable moral integrity?
Personally, I'm glad the teams make these decisions in their interviews and not some holier-than-thou reporter gleefully reporting the latest click-generating scandal. The key question is, do any of these 'concerns' influence a prospect's future effectiveness as a professional football player and teammate? If not, put the guy on your big board, Jerry.
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I think these interviews are the most important to Garrett
who only wants his RKGs.
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You have no idea if these interviews are important to Garrett so don't pretend that you do
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
???? Is Dez the RKG or the WKG?
all the interviews we did can’t keep him from looking for trouble.
I know he had a rough childhood but this stuff has to stop sometime.
He get injured too much.I wonder how this speaks to his dedication to a training regimen?
by TCB Orange Dino on Jan 29, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions
Does Dez get busted for DUI?
Does he get caught with weapons?
Drugs?
Animal abuse?
No.
You people greatly over exaggerate what Dez does and it’s ridiculous. Everytime Dez is on the field he plays HARD. You see he has the passion for the game by his play on the field. Even on special teams.
by BrickTop on Jan 29, 2012 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
He's an 21 year old idiot that was bad with money.
I’m sure all of us would do dumb things with money if we were in the same situation.
Theres people
from all ages that are bad with money. That’s a personal matter though and shouldn’t be used against him as a football player.
by BrickTop on Jan 29, 2012 3:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't aware that Dez went looking for trouble.
Dez needs some maturity, but he is hardly a trouble maker.
His coaches have said repeatedly that he is a hard worker, he is obviously passionate about the game and he goes around trying to fire guys up during the games. AKA taking on a leadership/motivational role.
I agree with Brick, people way blowup a few silly, minor things that if he wasn’t wearing a star would never even be known.
Off the field not a real problem so far,
his routes have too get better, and he needs to beat the jam at the LoS. A full off season should make a big difference………I hope
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
this will be his first spent part of the rookie off season hurt too.
So yeah def think that a full offseason will get this kid exactly where he needs to be. He is showing progression in the right direction and should be at full Star power in his 3rd season as is the case with most WRs.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 29, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
He needs to work on his diet and conditioning
He eats fried sea food, hooters, and everything else too. He’s not one of us! I kinda wish TO was still around to train with him.
Yeah, I wouldn't call Dez a WKG
I agree with you, he has some maturity issues and I think that is a part of his competitiveness. Dez doesn’t take crap from anyone, on or off the field. I think sometimes he makes some poor judgements and then thinks people are singling him out or judging him without good cause, and he kicks against the bricks pretty hard on that stuff. But that will change as he gains better perspective and more maturity imo.
I Wall of Text like it's the in thing to do
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There's bellhops that wouldn't carry Roy Williams' gear, I mean lets be honest.
He stands up for himself and demands that he be treated like a man. I say that’s a hell of a thing to do. He still has work to do but it’s his second year in the league, and he’s entering his second full offseason, who doesn’t have work to do at that point?
He's not a WKG... especially the pick we got him for
He doesn’t look for trouble, but he has a lot of maturing to do all the same. And his injuries are a result of his playing style, although there have been echoes that he’s not conditioned as he should be. Not having an offseason was as hard on him as the rookies, and 2012 is a potential breakout year. Then again, it potentially isn’t…
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 29, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
He gets injured sometimes just because he's so strong. One man can't get him to the ground very often. While in the grasp, on
coming tacklers can really get big hits on him. I would rather that he realize that sometimes he should just hit the deck, and live for the next play.
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good stuff OCC
glad you included S Janzen Jackson, really talented player that I know I would take a shot on late
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 1:01 PM CST reply actions
actually first time i've seen him mentioned.
Suprising given our extreme need for a legit FS where is he projected to go? Great write up OCC here’s hoping we do as well as we have the last 2 drafts this year!
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 29, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
idk where he goes in the draft
character concerns
he was dismissed from Tennessee but is very talented
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 29, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Character concerns are putting it very lightly
He managed to hit every red flag for teams. I do not know if there was 1 scout who looked at him this year.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Whoa no wonder I hadn't heard about him yet.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 29, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I noticed him doing my mocks for OCC's challenge.
Be interesting to see if the team talks to him. Talent-wise, he seems to be worth investigating. And he fills a need. But the interview process would need to be very direct and critical.
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Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Loved it OCC
I am going to do an indepth post talking about the interview process in my Scouts View posts. By the time the Senior Bowl hits the prospect has already interviewed 2 to 3 times by the teams scouts. Also this interview process goes way beyond just the player but also includes just about anyone who he had regular contact with throught his involvement in sports along with anyone else who has had contact with him
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Great info, OCC ( as usual )
And I agree with Terry about JG and his quest for RKG’s. The interview is the most important part of the hiring process (there is that word again) in determining RKG’s ahead of previous coach’s reports and anecdotal info from former player peers. We’ll see in the results of this upcoming draft whether or not JG is calling the shots or not. Let’s be clear. If there are character questions (not a RKG) surrounding Dallas’ top picks then it’s fair to conclude that JJ, not JG is still driving the draft. This team’s lack of RKG’s is a huge impediment to moving forward, i.e. more w’s.
"Hope is not a strategy" Billy Beane
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
I dont think you can
“Assume”
fair to concludeanything about who is driving the draft because it “is” and has always been about “Concensus”.
Whoever we pick will be the guy that is the “concensus” pick by all the War room team. That is the way the GM has set it up to be. We have Felix because JG was able to get concensus on taking him over Mendenhal, and we have Demarcus Ware at pick 11 because Bill Parcells was not able to get concensus on taking Spears ahead of Ware.
You know what happens when you “Assume” dont you?
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Don't forget that Garrett's RKG is more about passion and work ethic.
He doesn’t care as much about whether they are choir boys off the field. Obviously, he doesn’t want people who get into trouble, but he is not going to let their past transgressions keep them off his radar.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
THe other word he uses is
“smart”. Not saying these guys are or are not, but I think he’s as tired as we are of guys who don’t seem to know what they’re doing in the field.
Don't believe everything you think.
that might be a good sign for a Vontaez Burfict
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
The players with motivation concerns
Like Coples, I think they’ll be able to have an easier time explaining their situations.
From watching NFL Network’s Senior Bowl coverage, it looked as if Coples has Butch Davis in his corner. Barring info I don’t have, it looks like a plus for Coples.
Burfict, I don’t know if motivation is a problem, I think it goes to maturity and controlling his emotions. This guy is an enigma, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when he interviews with teams.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 2:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
For Burfict I wrote ‘motivation’ in the sense that he may have a surplus of motivation on the field. I didn’t want to get into specifics on each player, so I tried to keep the descriptors uniformly nondescriptive…
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 29, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Got it
I like the phrase “surplus of motivation” turns his negative (too much aggression/emotion) and kind of makes it a positive.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Burfict

I heard they just flew him in for games!
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 29, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Judging from some
of the things I’ve read a psychiatric evaluation might explain some of Burfict’s behavior. He supposedly has tremendous mood swings (bipolar?). Also, coming from a super tough urban environment surely didn’t help.
OCC this was a really good post.
I don’t need 53 angels playing for my football team. Those on the list that OCC posted are some of the most talented players in the draft. If you could draft Janzen in the 4th you do it. He is one of the most instinctive players in the draft. At the end of the day talent trumps “most” problems.
Coples will be a top 10 pick. There isn’t a coach in the nfl that doesn’t think ‘they’ couldn’t get the best out of him. If all of these guys are off of the Dallas big board because they aren’t angels then Dallas is making a huge mistake. To me a RKG is a straight up baller. A player who shows up Sunday and does his job.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
lot more to it than just ballin
The RKG also has to have the right attitude and self motivation to work hard and be his best on and off the field.
To acquire the WKGs would be a mistake.
In Romo we Trust
Terry I think urs & mensa's statement sorta go hand in hand
if a player “shows” up & does his job on sun then more than likely he will have had the right attitude/motivation to work hard on & off the field.
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by DarkKnight88 on Jan 29, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
but there is a diiference between ballin in college and the NFL
At this level, there absolutely has to be the right kind of attitude and hard work because players simply can’t get by on talent alone like they could in high school and college.
In Romo we Trust
ur talking about 2 different things i didn't mention anything between
the differences of college & the pros its like i said above if an nfl player shows up & does his job on sun then he will have had to gone thru all the hard work/preparation being the “RKG” during the week just to be @ the game in the 1st place… U & mensa i think were saying pretty much the same thing u just being a lil more descriptive.
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by DarkKnight88 on Jan 29, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
I always like garretts right kinda guy talk
But in reality a good hard nosed coach can get even the wkg to put in his 120 every single day. So rkg makes coaches life easier but shouldn’t be eliminated cause of it. Coaches have to know how to get players to understand and live and breath what they preach. Cowher was the best at getting trash to play like gods. Lets see if Jason can too.
by Sado44 on Jan 29, 2012 7:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Janzen was thrown off his college team this year. Reportedly for repeatedly failing drug tests.
He left the team last year to get it together and was let back on with a set of conditions attached. He couldn’t keep those terms and was finally booted off the team.
"Our program has devoted a tremendous amount of energy, resources, support, and care in an effort to help Janzen manage his personal challenges," Dooley said in the release. "I will always be there to help him as a person, but there comes a time when a player’s actions preclude him from the privilege of playing for the University of Tennessee football team.
http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2011/8/24/2381613/on-janzen-jackson-and-derek-dooley
Janzen played for McNeese St in 2011.
He is from Lake Charles La. There is a lot more to the story than just what the media says. And no I won’t go into what I know.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Omar La. is my home st. I am cajun thru and thru.
Anyway I have a lot of connections in that area.
LOL @ tease. I should be in the media.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
Well said!
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 29, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Mensa are you talking the armed robbery, his severe drug addiction and failed rehab attempts
Or some of the toher things that have not been reported?
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
how did this guy find time to play football?
damn, this sounds like a kid we’d have taken on those 1990s teams.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bird you missed one bro. I can't divulge.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
I do know of two major incidents that have not been reported
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
like I said, I'm shocked the kid found time to play football
with his extra curricular activities.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When he titty twisted that one legged Czechoslovakian midget hooker while riding the goat?
That’ll get you kicked off ANY team.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
That was some grip he had on her Nick
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol nick hahahaaaa
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Ok, let me rephrase slightly.
He started the preseason on the TN team, and was thrown off 10 days before the first game.
Motivation is the difference between an average ball player and a great one........See Lee
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Despite Jenkins' drug problems, no one will say he isn't motivated
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
it all depends on his interviews.
If he can show that he has learned from his mistakes then you take him at 14. From my understanding he has stayed clean since being at N. Alabama. If something comes out about him or he interviews poorly then you pass on him in the first and take the risk if he falls to you in the second.
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Jan 29, 2012 2:37 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's ok saying the right things at an interview,
but can you do those things during an NFL career ?.
these are decisions that make or break a Coaches career.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
We Fight On !!,That's The Cowboys Way !!.
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jan 29, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
can you trust that he has stayed. clean
or is just easier not to get caught when playing for a small time school
by just4fun on Jan 29, 2012 3:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I am positive he stayed clean
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
why? how do you know he hadn't been burning weed and not getting caught.
by just4fun on Jan 29, 2012 3:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
The kid could not turn around with having to take a drug test there
I spent a whole lot of time in Florence scouting and investigating him. Myself along with a number of other scouts. You would be suprised at the lengths that were taken to make sure this was fully answered.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 29, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks Bd 26 ,
nice to hear teams do due dilligence on guys that might cost millions.
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.
Winston Churchill
We Fight On !!,That's The Cowboys Way !!.
Go Cowboys!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jan 29, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
excellent insight
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 3:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you are a luminary here birddog
i can’t believe you’re a scout, that has to be the closest position to football from anyone here, unless david lafleur is the real one, can you tell me please, is janoris a thug? or just a guy who smokes some weed?
He smoked weed and had some maturity issues
He has had a very good support network in Florence with both the University and the city leaders there. He is a kid who realized what he did was wrong and straightned out. He is a very honest and humble guy.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Thats really refreshing to see
So often they let their stardom get to their heads and just become dbags glad to know its still possible to learn from ones mistakes and be successful too.
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 29, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
that's the image protrayed at the Senior Bowl
He said he’s not making excuses, and will tell scouts, gms, and coaches the truth about his situation. Seems to be very upfront about what happened ant not making excuses.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thermal way are some teams saying he has major problems and won't draft him?
by just4fun on Jan 29, 2012 8:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
should start then why. stupid phone
by just4fun on Jan 29, 2012 8:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Can you trust
That half the cowboys wasn’t in business with hurd.
by Sado44 on Jan 29, 2012 7:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
With Hurd being so recent
Jerruh is going to be reluctant to pick anyone who has any history of drug problems
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 29, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Special Variety of Idiot
Good one. Can we include Marty B on this list?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Different type of idiot.
But yes he’s a dumbass not the usual type either, unfortunately. He’s a great blocker, I have a feeling that if his name wasn’t Marty B we’d all be okay with him.
fair enough
I guess Sherman Williams can be the Special kind of Idiot too. “In 2000 he was sentenced to seven years in prison for three counts of conspiracy to distribute marijuana and a separate plea for passing counterfeit currency.”
(source, his wikipedia page, yes I was shocked to know he had one too).
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah any time you want to sell drugs and are an NFL player
There’s something wrong with you…too many stories of high profile individuals that can’t sell drugs without getting caught.
Yet Nate got a very small sentence in comparison.
Nate was totin some lbs and I’m not talkin flesh.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 29, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Nate got busted twice
In the span of a month for possessing over 170 pds of weed.
Back in November-December 2001
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm, Jackson isn't on the NFP big board, anyone have a quality scouting report?
Dallas Defense = Cowboys from Hell
It will be very hard to get a scouting report on him
No one I know of even looked at him this year.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
If he is really fast
and/or has great ball-hawking skills, I would take a chance at him in the 4th round, but no higher.
YOU HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY HIT ON YOUR TOP 3 PICKS!
Last year….Smith, Carter, and Murray. We absolutely know about Smith and Murray, and I have a gut feeling that Carter is right choice at 2 also.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Just say no.
Mensa are you talking the armed robbery, his severe drug addiction and failed rehab attempts
Or some of the toher things that have not been reported?
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Jan 29, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions \
It's interesting that all of the Alabama potential early 1st rounders have issues, either legal, Barron, Upshaw or drugs, Kirkpatrick.
You can’t fix stupid! I hope they check out in interviews or out 1st round talent pool at #14 will shrink.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Wonder how much the atmosphere of the school played.
Not meaning to pick just on ’bama. Some schools are almost enablers, helping players cover stuff up and not holding them accountable. BD26 talked about how hard it is to find out anything at the Florida schools in another thread. That kind of stuff seems to just be asking for trouble.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
FSU, Miami, and UF are tight lipped about what goes on.
That’s why it was a big deal when Yahoo Sports’ interview with Nevin Shapiro about the Miami team from 2003 to pre Al Golden years. Players getting compensated with strippers, cash, shoes, jewlery, cars, parties.
The last story I remember to come out of FSU was the Dillard’s Dpt Store scandal from 1999/2000 when Peter Warrick and Lavernius Coles allegedly got clothes at substantially marked down prices.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow i completely forgot about that FSU incident
Peter Warrick n Lavernius geez i haven’t heard those names in a minute.
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by DarkKnight88 on Jan 29, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
You don't pay much attention to the news then?
Being an FSU alumni I hear about it all. FSU was sanctioned by the NCAA for cheating scandal just a few years back cost Bobby Bowden a few wins to his legacy. The issues with some schools hiding information about students. I’m going to have to say that’s country wide not just Florida, Alabama, or Texas. USC got nailed for the deal with a player taking money that cost them a National Title and Reggie his Heisman. Ohio State just got nailed by the NCAA, Miami is under investigation and will probably get some heavy sanctions. Florida … has been sanctioned twice by the NCAA for violations, FSU just released to players for stealing. The Scandal with Peter Warrick wasn’t school wide is the reason it didn’t really get that much attention… it was two guys that were friends and had a girl friend that worked at the store who gave them extra discounts. They were just stupid enough to take them. Schools are not ultimately responsible for the actions of their stupid players, but they have a responsibility to the University if it’s been discovered to report it. FSU always does that… they reported Warrick and Coles, they reported the Cheating scandal and then accepted whatever the NCAA ruling would be. When a School gets caught knowingly hiding those transgressions is when the NCAA comes in and really lays down the lumber and pops the school with heavy sanctions. Miami is going to get those in the coming year or so.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Richardson and Hightower have no issues, and are also projected first round.
Upshaw and Barron’s run ins with the law were both bizarre circumstances- Upshaw was arrested for domestic violence, but the charges were dropped almost immediately, and the girl involved said there was no physical abuse, just a heated fight. Now, some people think there was pressure on her to say so, but there is no way of knowing there. Mark Barron was arrested for obstruction of justice, which ended up being that he told officers his cousin hadn’t been at his apartment that day when he had. A bit shady, but we’re still not talking armed robbery or assault. Dre Kirkpatrick… is just dumb. Not for smoking pot, but for doing it so close to the combine.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
And Mark Barron's was a misdemeanor. The fine was $500.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
I wouldn't select either Jenkins or Kirkpatrick in the first rd at all
First rd players have to be clean, those guys certainly are not clean.
In Romo we Trust
If they pass drug tests
they are clean by definition of the word. If a team wants to have a policy that it will not draft players with prior drug arrests/convictions fine. Other than that, if a player gets busted for drugs in the NFL, the penalty is the same regardles of their draft position. It is a cop out for a team to say “Well, he’s a first round talent but because he had a prior drug arrest, I won’t take him until round X.” If a team is that afraid of a player who smoked marijuana 2-3 years ago, then don’t take him at all. Allow another team who is willing to draft the player where his talent warrants draft him which is better for everyone.
I understand your point on this....
but I think for most teams it is the amount of money that 1st round picks get makes adding players with drug problems risky….when you get to 2nd-7th picks, it make it much easier to cut them. No team really wants to put in a “zero tolerance” rule because you just never know what position you might be in.
I am always willing to look at talent with warts (off the field issues) when we get to the 3rd-7th rounds. These are the rounds to take chances on talent that can pay off. There is plenty of talent in the 1st that can be had without the extra risk of drug use.
by death of the cool on Jan 29, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
jevans & death u have outstanding points n i can see both sides of the spectrum
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by DarkKnight88 on Jan 30, 2012 1:26 AM CST up reply actions
"It is the money....."
Really??!! First of all, look at the actual GURANTEED money those first rounders get from the uber rich billionaires. It’s tip money to these owners. The money argument just doesn’t hold up. However, praying on the poor urban youth who smokes some pot when he is 19, provides the skilled businessman an opportunity to exploit the situation. If the kid is clean, handles his interviews well, etc., he should get drafted where his skill level warrants. If the owner is against the prior drug use, don’t draft the kid.
The problem with doing it as you have outlined is that if the player outperforms his intitial “low balled” contract, you have zero shot at keeping him when he becomes an All-Pro. Of course then he is a “greedy, spoiled, athlete” in the eyes of the media when he tests the FA market. Only in America.
This is a strawman argument
Teams aren’t going to disqualify a guy who tried pot. But they are going to look hard at ANY red flag, whether it’s pot, or bar fights, or money issues. All of those raise the possibility of intelligence issues, maturtiy issue or continued legal problems. For example, a DUI itself isn’t going to prevent being evaluated and drafted at a certain position, but only after they’ve done due diligence to determine if he’s an alcoholic or a risk to get suspended for continued abuse.
Terry’s blanket statement may not reflect reality, but you can bet they will scrutinize any issues that surface. You may think it’s tip money, but these guys didn’t get rich by being stupid with their cash. Not to mention salary cap and team reputation at stake.
Don't believe everything you think.
I'd add my boy DeCastro to this list too.
Melvin Ingram as well. DeCastro because he is a guard, and at 14 that is pretty high for a guard under most circumstances, the Cowboys need be absolutely positive that he’s willing to put in the work and training to do what it takes to become a Steve Hutchinson or Allen Faneca type player. Ingram for the reason they need to know how comfortable he’d be rushing standing up or changing his role in a defense.
I don't think I'd ever question the work ethic
Of someone who made it at Stanford.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well I'm not questioning it
I agree a guard at 14 requires extraordinary circumstances, you need to be as sure as you can there.
Yes you have to be dilligent
I just think the process for verifying DeCastro’s RKG credentials shouldn’t be as laboring as it might be for some other players.
Basically interview all his coaches, and sit down with the man himself.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
I mean watching his game footage it looks like he takes it personally when a tackle thinks he can beat him, so I’m pretty sure it won’t be THAT hard, but still. Due diligence, cross your "t"s and dot your "i"s
Stanford is one of the easy places to scout.
Jack Betcha wrote a great piece on the Stanford program that is well worth the read.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Stanford-Football-A-Brand-New-Image.html
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
great read
Harbaugh was influenced by Bo Schembechler at Michigan. I like the comparisons of Stanford to a Big10 team, they play like it.
Even though they have the best QB prospect in the draft, they won with a ground and pound mentallity, with Luck doing his Peyton Manning/Tom Brady routines at the LOS. The RBs and Tight Ends dominated that offense, especially after speedster Chris Owusu got hurt.
Birddog, what are your thoughts on Delano Powell as an NFL prospect at Safety?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 4:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only question?
Why is everyone or at least most of ya’ll saying a Guard at 14 is unusual. Sure normally teams don’t take guards at 14 but over the last 20 years a number of Guards have been taken before the 14th round. In fact there has been a Guard taken almost every year close to that position since 2005 … Mike Iupati(17), Logan Mankins(32), Shawn Andrews(16), Branden Albert(15), Ben Grubbs(29), David Joesph@(23)… all of these players are starters and then you have Steve Hutchinson(17)5x AP1st PB in 82 and 83 Houston took 2 Guards at the 8th and 9th spot Bruce Matthews and Mike Munchak that made the PB 9 and 14 times respectively. In fact of the 38 Guards selected in 1st round… over the last 30 years 15 have made it to the probowl… 27 have started for their respected teams a minimum of 5 years. Those a pretty dang good odds of getting a good Guard in the first if chosen. Better then any other position in the league. It’s a money thing… the Rookie cap put an end to that.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Solid kid
Smart, hard worker and very insinctive. He is raw and will be a late round or UDFA in the draft. He converted from RB/WR while in college so he has limited work as a safety but played the position very well. Can be a contributor on special teams and learn the safety position some more but I like him.
Don’t listen to Wess about this kid.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Sounds good
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
who we talkin bout here?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 29, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Birddog was giving me a report on
Stanford Safety Delano Howell
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 8:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just saw this on National Football Post
Alfonzo Dennard dropped out of the first round in their prospect rankings
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I was expecting that after the Senior Bowl.
From what I am reading only 2 CB’s are really 1st round material. Assuming you discount Jenkins from that list.
acfgt[p
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 6:09 PM CST reply actions
apparently my kids did that......
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 29, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
dkgfaskfdhjasdkfjhaskfdhas to you too!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
"misguided moral certitude that's unilaterally applied"
wowee zoweee! My thesaurus exploded when I typed that in!!!
That was about as far as I can go on this board while remaining within the guidelines of ‘No Politics’.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 30, 2012 2:05 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you nailed it.
Too many people here misjudge the actions of young men in their early 20s as lack of moral character. There’s a difference between youthful exuberance and a lack of character. My take on RKG would be Albert Haynesworth. Guy that has talent, got sand in his vagina when a new defense was implemented and pretty much refused to play. That’s the RKG. Obviously, if a guy has legal troubles like Rolando McClain or Aqib Talib, yeah you have an issue there. However, if a guy gets caught using recreational drugs or partying too hard in school…I mean how many of us didn’t do that when we were young? Grade issues? Meh, maybe definitely a cause to do more homework but ignore the guy completely? Please.
by Omar Little on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
hahahahahah
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !

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