The Truth: Who let who down?
As much as we, as Cowboy fans, hate the Giants... you have to respect that they honestly got hot at the right time. I was having a conversation with another fan, who is anti Romo. This fan stated that Romo stunk it up over the last six games, while Eli, on the other hand, straight up balled.
I decided to do a little research, because I was convinced otherwise. I didn't stop there. I went on to compare the Giants' Defense to the Cowboys' Defense over the last six games, as well as the Giants' RBs to the Cowboys' RBs in that same time frame, and this is what I found...
-- HEAD TO HEAD QUARTERBACK STATS --
|
ATTS |
COMP |
COMP % |
YARDS |
TDS |
INTS |
QBR |
|
|
MANNING |
234 |
139 |
59.40% |
1981 |
11 |
7 |
89.5 |
|
ROMO |
176 |
123 |
69.80% |
1384 |
12 |
3 |
99.1 |
-- HEAD TO HEAD RUNNING BACK STATS --
|
NYG RBS |
ATT |
YDS |
TD |
REC |
YDS |
TD |
FM LOST |
|
NO |
18 |
69 |
1 |
8 |
45 |
0 |
0 |
|
GB |
20 |
100 |
1 |
4 |
17 |
0 |
0 |
|
DAL |
29 |
112 |
2 |
4 |
26 |
0 |
0 |
|
WAS |
28 |
91 |
1 |
4 |
24 |
0 |
0 |
|
NYJ |
25 |
116 |
2 |
3 |
26 |
0 |
0 |
|
DAL |
25 |
92 |
1 |
4 |
20 |
1 |
0 |
|
145 |
580 |
8 |
27 |
158 |
1 |
0 |
|
DAL RBS |
ATT |
YDS |
TD |
REC |
YDS |
TD |
FM LOST |
|
MIA |
22 |
87 |
0 |
5 |
44 |
0 |
0 |
|
ARI |
18 |
74 |
0 |
1 |
7 |
0 |
1 |
|
NYG |
21 |
131 |
0 |
7 |
37 |
0 |
1 |
|
TB |
34 |
161 |
0 |
3 |
23 |
0 |
0 |
|
PHI |
18 |
52 |
0 |
4 |
10 |
0 |
0 |
|
NYG |
14 |
46 |
0 |
8 |
50 |
0 |
0 |
|
127 |
551 |
0 |
28 |
171 |
0 |
2 |
-- HEAD TO HEAD DEFENSIVE STATS --
|
NYG DEFENSE |
SACK |
INT |
FF |
FR |
QB HIT |
|
NO |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
6 |
|
GB |
2 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
|
DAL |
3 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
|
WAS |
1 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
6 |
|
NYJ |
5 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
|
DAL |
6 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
|
17 |
6 |
2 |
2 |
24 |
|
DAL DEFENSE |
SACK |
INT |
FF |
FR |
QB HIT |
|
MIA |
3 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
|
ARI |
5 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
|
NYG |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
|
TB |
3 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
|
PHI |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
|
NYG |
2 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
|
15 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
15 |
Even when presented with this evidence, said fan stated that no matter what it was still all of Romo's fault that we missed the playoffs. He also made it a point to let me know that my research, as a whole, was inept because it doesn't show that Eli's TDs came in the 4th Quarter when needed.
That's incorrect. Over the course of the last six games, of which Romo only played five due to a hand injury, Eli Manning had five 4th Quarter TDs. Romo had four.
So. You tell me. Who's to blame?
Just because a QB is playing better than another, doesn't mean he had a better surrounding cast;
Just because a QB doesn't have a better surrounding cast, doesn't mean he isn't playing better than another.
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My opinion
My thoughts are that the Defense and the running game let us down. Way to many passes completed, way to many Yards after the catch, way to many long passes over 20 yards. To many missed tackles.
The running game needs to score more than 4 or 5 touchdowns in a season.
Romo is a very capable QB. He just cannot do it all himself. ( And No Superman Does not Play QB in the NFL) it is called a team sport for a reason, 11 on offense, 11 on defense, and 11 on special teams.
To many people want to blame one play or one player. But Romo is a Trooper in my Book, he never hangs anyone out as Wolf bait or throws them under a Bus. He just comes to work each day trying to get better…
I concur
Your statement:
It is called a team sport for a reason, 11 on offense, 11 on defense, and 11 on special teams. To many people want to blame one play or one player.
Is exactly the reason why I went so far as to research the issue, to prove a point that it’s not all on the QB, even if he did make a mistake, the rest of the team has to step up.
In this case, Romo was playing on another level, and our RBs and Defense just couldn’t hang.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
except Murray!
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Jan 29, 2012 6:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
before I read any comments!
“Said Fan” is a moron…period. I can’t stand it when someone lays the blame for an entire season at one persons feet!
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Jan 29, 2012 6:09 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Who cares?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
If you don't care...
Then why did you bother reading and commenting? It’d be nice to be able to share and research for the TRUE conversation, without people posting like this. I feel it’s showing a lack of etiquette.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Its an old tired out meaningless debate.
Two similar players.. person A likes player 1 person B likes player 2 neither will budge.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Then...
Stay out of the topics on it, mkay?
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Romo haters are idiots and will blame him for all loses
no matter how well he plays.
In Romo we Trust
Romo lovers are idiots idolators and will credit him for all wins
no matter how he plays.
Balance restored. Hooooommmmmmmmm…
That's one small step...
Not Idolators, Romo Lovers are Fellators
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
with that said, I do not blame Romo for hte collapse
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
Tony's not a dick.
He’s their idol. Therefore, Idolators.
Balance restored. Hooooommmmmmmmm…
That's one small step...
True, but Fellators bothers them more. Always go for the more irritating word
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
You can blame the team
The team lost, each player on the team wasn’t good enough in one way or another. Football is a TEAM sport, that’s just how it goes.
While that is true...
this research was done to prove that it is NOT all on Romo… so would you, or would you not, agree?
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Romo had his moments as usual
But he also had his best year and generally put on a great show.
If I had to pick on certain people Romo wouldn’t be one of them. The teams. I definitely don’t think it’s all his fault. Or that it can really ever be one person’s fault. But you can’t pin a win on him without pinning a loss on him.
by bitterlyhonest on Jan 29, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Get over it, can we????
Why is there so much energy behind Manning and Romo? They are different quarterbacks and they play for different teams with different systems.
The Cowboys did their best and they came up short. You could put the blame on the fans at Cowboys stadium because they don’t make playing at Cowboy’s stadium miserable for the visiting team. If the people of Dallas made as much noise as the fans at Seattle, then Dallas would easily win one or two more games a year. That would have put us in a few more playoffs the past several years.
Romo is a great quarterback. He is at the same level of Staubach. If you go back and watch some of the old games with Staubach, you’d want to trade him to after certain games. However, in the 70’s we didn’t throw Staubach under the bus just because he couldn’t beat Bradshaw. None of us would have traded Staubach for Bradshaw.
We are very lucky to have Romo and I wouldn’t trade him for any quarterback in the NFL. He fits well in Cowboys history and even if he never wins the big one, he will be one of the top 2-3 quarterbacks that we have had.
Let’s move on the get behind the team.
That’s all I have to say.
if a win a sb then yes.. until then he is a Danny White... no wait at least he went to several NFC Championship games.
by lostar2009 on Jan 29, 2012 7:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Love me some Romo, but....
he is not even at White’s level yet in playoff success. Give White more credit. The man took them to three consecutive NFC Championships. If only Tony had at least that. And yes, before I get stomped I get that the teams were different. Not laying it at Tony’s feet.
Move along.
If you don’t like the post, don’t read it and don’t comment. Common courtesy.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Oops!
Let’s move on the and get behind the team.
To be honest its not always about sbs.. its about going to the playoffs every year and having that chance to go to the big dance..
How can u guys call Romo elite if he cant carry the team.. But call out the team faults as why he isnt consider elite..
How things are going ..if we gotta build this guy a perfect online and defense we can have any qb playing back there.
Hey Romo made things happen this year good and bad but im not in love with thr guy i think hes a product of Dallas talent not his talent..
Ive seen too many errors by Romo this year .. he doesnt believe in throwing the ball away etc.. that elite qbs do to protect field postion and down..
Romo has serve his purpose JJ.. bring in a legit qb to groom for the future..
I
by lostar2009 on Jan 29, 2012 8:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Without Romo this teams MAYBE wins 2 games.
A quarterback can only carry so much. Romo masked the oline all year… Put Brady on our team and he gets killed. If you think Romo is the problem you aren’t very smart.
by BrickTop on Jan 29, 2012 8:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i simply said he was good and bad this year..
He i express what i think the guy is so im clue less???
He good but not great…I was just reading a article today a DMN.. what elite qb do you have to cross your fingers with guy???
by lostar2009 on Jan 29, 2012 8:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can express
your feelings all you want, but you are expressing them as if Romo is to blame as to why we aren’t in the playoffs each year. Which is not true. Romo is tops QB in the league, that’s a fact. When Romo makes a great throw its always “wow he got lucky there” when Eli or Brady throw one its “wow what a great throw” Romo puts this team in position to win way more often then not. He’s way more “clutch” then people make him out to be. The problem is his teammates aren’t.
by BrickTop on Jan 29, 2012 8:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I really shouldn't even entertain this argument
and I don’t want to really. It’s annoying.
by BrickTop on Jan 29, 2012 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yea i guess... if he so clutch why is this team 8-8 then
Why didnt he make the plays necessary to put this team on top to carry the defense.. I saw more wrs covering up his plays ( making great catches than Romo making great throws)..
The greatest game ive seen Romo play was the 49 ers game and that wasnt his best game stat wise… But he playd up in fear of losing his job..
by lostar2009 on Jan 29, 2012 8:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess Brees and Rodgers aren't good anymore. They didn't carry their
defenses to the Super Bowl either.
But he playd up in fear of losing his job..
You just making stuff up now? Or maybe you have a hot line to Jerry?
arod took the team far with a very poor secondary
He didnt do a sb bur at least he went to the playoffs and was the # 1 seed in the nfc..
I could of sworn u guys was like f&&& the defense lets make the offense more poitent like brees and arod.
Now its back to fixing the oline
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 5:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Funny... ok let me take a shot... because I'm going to burst into Laughter.
I can put 4 games that Romo put us in a position to win and our defense blew it … those four games make us 12-4 and 4th seed. The Pats game, up 16-3 with a late drive Romo in the 1st half to make the score 13-10 and then drove Dallas down close for two more field goals late in the 4th by 3 pts with 5 min. left and Brady pulls it out driving 78 yards with passes to his TEs. to win it with 2 secs left. The Jets and Detroit games … The Arizona game… winning field goal with no time on the clock… drive by Romo to put us in the position to win. The Gnats first game… up by 12 with 5 minutes left in the 4th… you are kidding right… Special teams let down in Jets game. If you add some rookie coaching moments we could have easily been 13-3.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
that poor secondary generated ints thats the difference between us and the pack
our #1 cb got as many ints as our #1 lb for crying out loud
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmmm, you'd take Sanders' word over Staubach's when it comes to anything
Cowboys related?
Staubach on Romo:
“He’s still a young guy,” Staubach said of Romo, who turns 32 in April. “Every quarterback has a bad game or two but Tony Romo is right up there with the best. He’s more of a solution. He’s not a problem, he’s a solution.”
yes.. Deion tell it how it is.. He wont sugar coat stuff
Staubach is supporting Romo bc he is a cowboys ex qb..
While deion is calling it how he see it.. He is giving Romo credit but just be honest man.
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 5:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ohhhhh. See, I think Sanders would say anything to get attention. Honest?
I saw him suck up to Romo to his face and then trash talk him behind his back. Real honest.
by Fernie67 on Jan 30, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i also remember him say he will wear his Jersey if he can dallas to the playoffs this season..
It is what it is.. All those guys call Romo out but they respect his play making ability.
Year in and year out these guys ( These Romo haters is proven right about him) that doesnt bother you???
If you want elite you gotta get elite other than that you got who you gor..As you guya say He is a top 10 qb.. but not in the top 5..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 12:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not to be grammar/spelling NAZI, but....................
your posts are a pain to read.
i remember kitna winning more than 2 for us with that busted up oline and sorry quiting defense..
Those few games just open my eyes.. Man this team is strong enough at the core to play with any decent to above average qb and win.
Those games with Kitna was way harder than the schedule Romo faced this year..
I mean something is wrong when you are barley putting up points aganist scrub teams last year.. Youre losing games because your offense cant score 14 – 21 points..
But you guys says hey it isnt the qb.. its this guy or that guy.. Our Oline is a bust etc etc
by lostar2009 on Jan 29, 2012 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kitna had the luxury
of having his OC realize that he WASN’T Romo, and changing the play calling to NOT rely soley on the QB. The RBs were a lot more involved then, at least JG tried to make it that way. Let’s not pretend that the same system was ran 100% through and through.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Perhaps that OC needs to realize something for Romo, then?
Because we weren’t scoring a whole lot more points or winning a whole lot more games this year than we were last year.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 29, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps if Miles Austin hadn't lost the ball in the lights back in December this conversation would be irrelevant.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well simple chain of events
Dallas wins that game, plus the Tampa game(which they did win) Dallas wins the division(9-7 to the Giants 8-8)
end of discussion
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 5:46 AM CST up reply actions
So now you think that if Austin makes the catch, the team doesn't need improvement at all?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
did I say that?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
The statement was that if Austin makes the catch, the conversation is irrelevant.
You said it was a simple chain of events from that moment. Part of the chain of this conversation was that the current offense wasn’t scoring enough. Your statement implies that is forgotten if Austin makes the catch. I take that as you believing that if Austin makes the catch, people don’t think the offense needs to improve. Is that not what you meant?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think our rbs need to score more
Our passing offense scored decently but you need a balancedish offense our RB/FBs shoulda had a bunch of goaline tds, plain and simple. You can’t get away with throwing it in the redzone all the time.
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
no I did not say that
I said the If Austin makes the catch, Dallas goes on to win the first Giants game…..
Had that happened coupled with the fact that we beat Tampa Bay, Dallas would have won the division…..as they would have finished at 9-7(Giants would have been 8-8 along with Philly)
thus argueably Dallas could be playing in the Superbowl(do you really think Atlanta or San Fran Beat us given how they played in their respective games?)
thus Nobody is complaining about the Offense, thus the Conversation is irrelevent……
that doesn’t mean that the Offense couldn’t improve, merely that had Austin made the catch, it could be argued that we are discussing the Rematch with the Patriots, instead of talking about the draft….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
i dunno about that play some experts say that was on Romo some said Miles
I didnt even hold Romo to that play.. bc that was suppose to be a kill shot while we was up..
But when it did matter we couldnt score
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 5:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Romo drove them down to scoring position with time running out.
Why don’t you blame the missed kick? Or how about blaming Holland for missing the block that resulted in the missed kick?
it should never go down to that...
A field goal aganist a beat up giants team… WHEN THIS TEAM WAS UP AND THE GIANTS WAS MOUNTING A COME BACK ALL WE COULD DO WAS TRY TO KICK A FIELD GOAL WITH 8 mins of football???
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There were 5 minutes 41 secs left....
But besides the point…….Romo had the team up by 12 going into those 5 minutes…. that’s not what he did in the 3rd … he threw for 2 of his 4 tds in the 4th… a 6 yarder to Miles and a 50 yard bomb to Dez… with the last effort he made to get us in for the tie was with 46 seconds on the clock and no time outs. He hit Miles for 22 and 23 yards and set up Dan “I can make it once but not twice” Baily for a 47 yarder to tie it.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Bryan Broaddus
Reviewed the play and said that Tony Romo did exactly what he was supposed to do on that play, by putting the ball in the middle of the field AWAY from the defender so that only Miles could get it; HOWEVER, he said that Miles did not show the same burst off the line as he normally does, and therefore the issue was on Miles.
Sorry, but I trust a SB winning Scout who’s been in the NFL 13 years over a bunch of mediots and analysts who’ve never played the QB or WR position.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
You kind of have to take Miles for his word too!!!
Since he said he lost it in the lights… and I believe him.
RexP
He really did
look lost and dejected after that play.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Garrett has always
had an issue in the Red Zone. His play calling is predictable. Kitna was able to move the ball down the field with a different set of plays. Have we ever seen Romo do a naked bootleg like that?
I find it funny that during the 2nd half of the Giants game, Romo was calling his own plays. Under Romo’s direction, we scored 14 points… and did you notice that Romo switched to a WCSO?
If Romo is CLEARLY comfortable with a WCSO, why isn’t Garrett using it?
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
there was no demarrco in 2010..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 5:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Remember SF this year?
I'm not saying Tony Romo is the reincarnation of the mythical Romulus. I'm just saying
Weren't we .500 without Romo last year?
And we were .500 with him this year. Without Romo, this team won at the same rate as it did with him.
I’m not saying that Romo is the problem, but that stuff about how this team can’t win without him has been proven false.
Additionally, it is a valid point: if we need a top notch OL and D for him to win, then what makes him superior to other QBs, such as Flacco or Alex Smith? I think the truth is that the line needs to be a lot better and the D a little better. The biggest mistake this year was cutting Gurode and Holland without legit replacements for them.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 29, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Every QB needs help
The years Brees and Rodgers won, they got help from their defenses forcing turnovers; Brees had one of the best ground games to aid his aireal attack; the Rodgers was aided by a ground game in the playoffs.
The year Peyton Manning won the SB, his RBs and defense stepped up big time in the playoffs, as Peyton’s 2006 post season QB rating was in the 70s.
In Tom Brady’s 3 SB wins, he was aided by a really good defense, a 1000 yard RB, and a clutch kicker (all their SB wins were by 3 pts).
In Ben Roethlisberger’s first SB he was aided by Willie Parker and that defense, Big Ben completed less than 60% of his passes in that SB against Seattle, ran for a TD and turned the ball over twice. In Big Ben’s second SB win, if James Harrison doesn’t get a pick 6 off of Kurt Warner before halftime, the Cardinals win that game.
The year the Giants won the SB, Eli needed the refs to swallow the whistle as he was in the grasp of being sacked, escaped and benefited from a David Tyree helmet catch-how many Dallas receivers in the Romo era you know would make that catch? It certainly helped that Giants defense held the #1 offense in league history to 14 points!!!!
The year Kurt Warner and the Rams won the SB, they were aided by one the top ranked defenses in the league that year in forcing turnovers and not allowing a lot of points, they won the NFC Title game 11-6!
In Aikman’s 3 SB wins, he was aided by a defense that forced turnovers in all 3 of those games, had one of the game’s all time leading rushers to bail him out in SB 28. Remember Larry Brown’s two game saving INTs?
When the Giants beat the Bills, the Giants running game and defense limited the Bills to 19 min in TOP.
Oh almost forgot, the 2000 Ravens and 1985 Bears won the SB because of an all-time great defense, special teams play, and strong running game. Their QBs were irrelevant.
Joe Montana had great defenses in SF when they won 4 SBs.
Phill Simms had Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Bavarro, McKonkey, and the RBs.
Staubauch had Dooms Day for both SBs, Pearson, Hill, and Dorsett for the second ring.
Bradshaw had Franco Harris, Rocky Blair, Swann, Stallworth, and Steel Curtain.
Bob Griese’s 72 & 73 Dolphins had the No Name Defense, Cszonka, Morris, Warfiled.
Brett Favre’s 96 Packers had Reggie White, Antonio Freeman, Andre Rison, and SB MVP Desmond Howard.
John Elway’s 97&98 Broncos had: All-Pro RB Terrell Davis, HOF TE Shannon Sharpe, WRs Ed McAffery & Rod Smith, Bill Romanowski (5 4 Rings), Neil Smith, Steven Atwater.
I can keep going on but you get the idea.
Tony, Ware, Witten need more help at Oline, Dline, Secondary, and Pass Rush.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
should say "remember Larry Brown's 2 game saving INTs in SB 30?"
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
should also say
Bill Romanowski: 4 SB rings
Joe Montana: aided by Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, Keena Turner, Roger Craig, John Taylor, Bill Romanowski, Charles Haley etc…
Steve Young’s SB in 1994: Ricky Watters, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Dana Stubblefield, Bryant Young, Bill Romanowski, Deion Sanders, Ken Norton Jr, Eric Davis, Merton Hanks.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What does any of that have to do with my post?
My point stands: if the rest of the team is elite, you have shown that an elite QB is not necessary. If our QB can’t win until the rest of the team is at those levels, then is he actually better than those other QBs?
However, if you have a good QB, then not every unit needs to be elite. As I said in my post that you responded to, I think the OL needs to be much better and the D only a little better in order for this team to be a legit Super Bowl contender. I also think that poor decisions made with the OL last year are what kept us from that level. To make it more simple for you, I am saying that I think Romo is talented enough that the team doesn’t need drastic improvement on every unit for him to lead them further.
So, which part do you disagree with?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 3:15 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, for Pete's sake. You keep taking a small sample of a partial season in which
there was a coaching change and want us to buy that Romo isn’t more important to this team than Kitna? You must be setting up a straw man, for some reason, because I can’t believe you actually believe that. I took a quick look, and Kitna’s teams, in which he started 13 or more games, were 43-69. Dallas, in seasons since he’s been the full time starter and started 13 or more games, have gone 41-29. Can the Cowboys win without Romo? Sure, if you get another franchise QB.
As for Flacco or Smith, I don’t watch much Flacco, but I did watch Smith. If he were half as good as Romo, SF would have had a much better chance at that SB. He was missing passes Romo can make in his sleep. And his O line looks to me to be way better than Romo’s, too.
Every QB has a better chance behind a good line and backed by a good D. Ask Rodgers and Brees. I’m pretty sure they’re sitting home next week, and both of them have better O lines than Romo (Brees’s being FAR better).
Oh, and BTW, 2 of those losses in seasons when Romo made 13 or more starts
were thanks to noodle-armed Brad Johnson in 2008.
Rams and Giants kicked their asses
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yea you talking about the 2008 season...
When romo came back we couldnt beat the steelers ( and im not going to talk about Romo play there) , Philly( who destroy us), and the Ravens who gave it to us…
We we had all the chances in the world to make the playoffs.. but we didnt..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Romo's 41-29 as a starter enough said
He doesn’t need to be replaced.
Btw, I’ve watched a lot of Flacco, and in 4 of his first 6 playoff games he played like complete a$$, the Ravens beat New England one year where he completed only 5 passes. If Romo had the Ravens D and RBs he’s have a SB by now, sorry he needs more than just DeMarcus Ware (I’m not bagging on him).
Alex Smith, for the love of God, I’m glad the Cowboys don’t have him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's just in seasons where he started enough games to make them
comparable to Kitna’s starts. I’m just tired of the ridiculous effort to denigrate Romo’s value by pulling out a small sample and using it as an indicator of his value to the team. If Kitna were of equal or higher value, Jerry, who does like to pinch a penny, would have gotten rid of Romo a couple of years ago.
BPS needed to get his weekly quota of Romo bashing in.
No week is complete without him or McLovin9 making the hater’s appearance.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think BPS is a hater. I'm not always sure what his point is, but
I wouldn’t put him in the McLovin category.
Please show me in this thread where I bashed Romo.
People claim to be fans of the team and not just the player, then claim the team can’t win without that player, in spite of clear evidence to the contrary. I cite the evidence, and somehow I am bashing that player? I think that those making claims that the team can’t win without him, when they have already done so, are the ones doing the bashing. They are the ones making statements that have been proven to be false.
In the past 2 years, under Garrett or not, however you choose to do the math, did the team have a better record with or without Romo? I don’t care about anyone’s perceived value or what Jerry Jones does with his money.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 AM CST up reply actions
According this site, Romo is 47-30, .610. Kitna is 50-73, .403. And I'm only doing
this for the sake of argument, since those are their TEAMS’ records. This being a team sport and all.
Yup my math was off
Romo went 6-4 in 2006; 13-3 in 2007; 8-5 in 2008; 11-5 in 2009; 1-5 in 2010; 8-8 in 2011
that adds up to 47-30
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What do their records with teams in different years have to do with anything?
When they were the starting QB in the same year with the same team, the team did as well without Romo as they did with Romo. The only reason that I point this out is for people that claim the team can’t win without Romo. They have already done so. You can’t claim any special circumstances, because it was the same team in the same year. If you want to say that the coaching change had something to do with it, I say look at the record the following year with essentially the same team and the same coach. They had a similar winning percentage with Romo as they had the previous season without him.
I get that this is a team sport. I’m not the one claiming that the team can’t win without one particular player, or that if you get the rest of the team to an elite level, that player is still essential.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 3:10 AM CST up reply actions
It has everything to do with it. I'll say it again; you take a very
small sample size and extrapolate a conclusion you can’t support. Over the course of their careers, Kitna has not proved he can sustain a winning record. Romo has. Can the team win a few games without Romo? You’ve proved it. Congrats. Can they win in the long term with Kitna? Prove it. I don’t for a second believe that the Cowboys this year would have had as good a record as they had without Romo. If we’re going to go with little sample sizes, let’s look at the game McGee played. They lost.
man you trying hard to make Romo as our saint
While in reality he has done nothing but put a buzz back to this team with 1 playoff win just one..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 12:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Romo played in that game, too.
And they lost by less to the same team than they did when Romo played the whole game.
I get it. You’re talking hypotheticals, I’m talking actualities. The point is, the team can win without Romo, and the team can lose with him. I think he’s a great QB, but saying the team is hopeless without him has been proven false.
You’re the one trying to make this about whether he is better than Kitna or not. I absolutely think that he is better than most QBs in the league, including Kitna. That doesn’t mean that the team hasn’t proven they can win without him.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said, I'm not sure we're even fundamentally disagreeing.
If you make lostar go away, I’ll concede anything you like, lol.
I think a more apt comparison is QB of the same team in the same season.
Who can know what would have happened if the Cowboys had been forced to go an extended time without Romo in those seasons, because that is a hypothetical situation. The answer could never be proven.
But you know what did actually happen? There was a year where Romo started some games, and then another QB started more than a couple games. The team did just as well without Romo. Some people say that was solely due to the coaching change. Therefore we can look at that team’s record the following year, when they had the new coach and basically the same team. And you know what? They had a similar record with Romo as they had without him. In fact, their winning percentage under the new coach was better without Romo than it was with him.
Am I saying that the team is better without Romo? No, I don’t believe that they are. But they have proven that they can win without Romo, so any arguments claiming otherwise are incorrect. I am not and cannot remember ever saying that Kitna is better than Romo. However, if someone is going to claim that they are a Cowboys fan and not just a Romo fan, and that they think the team can’t win without him, I must speak up and remind them that they have been proven wrong.
So, you’re saying that the 49ers would have had a much better chance to get to the Super Bowl than playing in the NFC Championship game? Um, okay….
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm saying the Niners would have had a better chance of getting
to the Super Bowl with a better QB. Yup. And I say Romo is a better QB than Smith.
I will also continue to argue that the team benefited from the coaching change. Again, prove I’m wrong. The next two games after Romo went out, the team was blistered; they didn’t just lose, they got hammered. Garrett takes over and the team starts playing much better. If we’re just going to go on those kinds of arguments, I think I’ve proved my point, too.
They already had the best chance.
They were playing in the Conference Championship game. What better chance is there?
If you are saying that Garrett is the reason that they played better, I agree. The point is, that was still without Tony Romo. If the argument is that this team can’t win without Tony Romo, you have proven that wrong. Whatever the circumstances are, the team won without him. Arguments that it can’t be done were proven false. Continued arguments that they couldn’t do it in the future are arguing what you guess will happen contrary to what actually did happen in that scenario.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if your goal was nothing more than to prove that they can even
win one game without Tony Romo, then you’re right. I have no problem with that contention, and if that makes you feel better, cool. QED. You still haven’t disproved my contention, but at this point, I don’t care.
Oh, and BTW,
However, if someone is going to claim that they are a Cowboys fan and not just a Romo fan, and that they think the team can’t win without him, I must speak up and remind them that they have been proven wrong.
Are you claiming you’re a better Cowboys fan than those who think the team wouldn’t have done as well without Romo this year?
No.
I’m claiming that if they are a fan of the team, they should know the team’s extremely recent history. If they have forgotten, I feel it is my duty as a fellow fan to remind them.
If they are not a fan of the team and are just a fan of the individual player, then I don’t expect them to know that the team actually did recently encounter a scenario where they played several games without Romo and won half of them. And if that is the case, then it doesn’t surprise me that person would continue to slam the team in favor of one player on the team, or that they would choose to blindly ignore the success of the team without that player.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Duty? Goodness, what a burden that must be. And since you're obviously
not going to agree with my opinion that you’re pretty much cherry picking a few games to make your point, it’s my duty to stop boring people with our round-and-round discussion.
It's difficult, but I manage.
Your opinion doesn’t make sense to me, so I will not agree. I think you are arguing against a point that I am not trying to make. You seem to think that I am saying that Kitna is better than Romo or that the team is better without Romo. I have repeatedly said that I think neither of those things are true, and think Romo is a great QB.
I responded to a post that said the team cannot win more than 2 games without Romo, and the overall point that the team would be hopeless without him, ala the Colts without Manning. I responded by citing the recent games where that actually happened. If you feel that using the exact scenario described is cherry picking solely to suit my argument, then you have a very different understanding of that term than I do. But I invite you to please show me all of the other recent instances that I passed over where the Cowboys played several games without Romo.
I agree that since you are wrong, it is your noble duty to bow out.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Just busting your balls at this point, btw.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I don't have any to bust, but I get it. I don't even think
we’re really disagreeing with each other.
Busting your, hmmm, well, whatever then.
I better quit while I’m not banned.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Youre a girl?
And you know football?!? .. Hmmm
by BrickTop on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
first that kick returner kill that game for them
Also Alex smith only has a TE to throw to and smith was sack like 5 timea that game..
I think harubugh mask smith up and made him play to his celing.. but then again he really didnt have half the weapons Romo has
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 5:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
lets see if Smith progresses next year...
give him more tools, another year in the same offensive system for what…the FIRST TIME…..can’t grow if the envoronment is always changing….
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 30, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Alex Smith and Flacco win b/c of their defenses.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Niners beat the Saints because of their defense?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 3:22 AM CST up reply actions
So allowing 30+ points and 450+ offense is a great D?
Ours must not need any improvement after all.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Why do you leave out the 5 turnovers?
How many times did the 49ers have the ball in the Saints territory? Even then the 49ers pathetic offense came away with field goals. Alex Smith and Vernon Davis had a good 4 minutes against the Saints. That’s it. So yes, the 49ers defense won that game for them by causing turnovers.
by BrickTop on Jan 30, 2012 2:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Niners beat the Saints because Alex Smith had the drive of his
career. Did he replicate it next game?
So they don't win solely because of their defense.
Next.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you got everyone. Again, congrats. Would it all right if
people said they won mostly because of their defense? And a pretty good O line?
That's less inane than saying solely because of their D.
But they got decent QB play and had a good running game as well, in my opinion. Their running game was in the top 10 and their QB was rated in the top 10. Their D was amazing. They won mostly because of their D, but their offense was decent.
Thanks again for acknowledging that I was right, as usual.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
LOL BPS
only one issue with the statement above… (a top 10 quarterback) Alex Smith? The only category he ranks in the top 10 is passer rating(8th overall) but in Yards(19), Percentage(11), Yds/A(17), TDs(17) vs Tony Passer rating (4), Yards(7), Percentage(3), Yds/A (7) TDs (5). To me to be a top ten QB you have to be top ten in all of these. Aaron Rodgers is awesome he had 36 sacks against… as did Romo… I think the difference between the two… is simply the rest of the picture. Fill the needs in our secondary… and some key components on the offensive line and we are on our way.
RexP
I agree with what we need.
My post that helped set off this firestorm actually said basically that: we need some help on OL and a little help on D.
Smith did what he was asked to do. And when a situation arose in the playoffs where he was asked to do more, he did. I don’t think the Niners have too many complaints about his 2011 season.
I mean, when you choose to go the route of the Ravens and the Niners, you will get less help from your QB. They prefer to focus on D, running games, and QB game management. That’s one of my points: if we choose that same focus, we don’t need Romo and would in fact be wasting his talent. I don’t think their blueprints are right for us.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
In that I disagree
I think going strong on Defense only helps make Romo a better QB… when he gets a 24 point lead he doesn’t have to worry about losing it in 5 minutes. When he marches the team down with 2minutes left and takes the lead he doesn’t have to worry about losing it… because we can’t stop the other team from scoring either. So all parts are good even better. I don’t want and Dallas has never really had one of those types of Teams, we have always had a big play team with some flash… not the ground and pound teams of Chicago, Denver, and Greenbay at one time.
RexP
I'm torn. I want a stronger D, but I think it'll take
longer to build that. I think the Cowboys have a better chance to have an elite offense with a couple of additions to the O line. They need to work on both, but which to focus the early picks on?
Interesting point:
I mean, when you choose to go the route of the Ravens and the Niners, you will get less help from your QB. They prefer to focus on D, running games, and QB game management. That’s one of my points: if we choose that same focus, we don’t need Romo and would in fact be wasting his talent. I don’t think their blueprints are right for us.
I’ve frankly waffled over where the first round pick should go: O line or CB or DE? OLB? If you made me answer fast, I’d go O line. But then the doubts creep in again.
Aikman benefited from having a pro bowl Oline protecting him
minor detail that gets overlooked; that oline he had was substantially better than the overrated overthe hill oline Romo had from 2006-2010, or the patchwork line he had this year.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 29, 2012 11:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What the hell does Troy Aikman have to do with this?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 3:22 AM CST up reply actions
You said if Romo needs help from oline and defense
then how is he a better QB than Alex Smith or Joe Flacco?
Those are your own words
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where?
I said that if he needs the same help that they do, then how is he better? And I followed it up in the same post by suggesting that if we had a less than elite D and a better OL, we would be fine.
And I stand by that point. If those 2 guys are pedestrian QBs that only win because of their surrounding cast, and you are telling me that Romo must have an equal surrounding cast in order to have similar success, then what makes him better? He should be able to succeed with less help, as he is far more talented.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree with that. Fundamentally, he needs a more
reliable O line. I would settle for a decent D if they can get someone to complement Ware on the other side. They can continue to work on the D next year.
Oh, and let me amend this: Can you win without Romo and with another franchise
QB? Not if you stand pat with that O line and that D. Ask Brees how it felt to watch his D get beaten by Alex Bloody Smith. Ask Rodgers how it felt when the Giants D got after him.
I think
you an I have beaten this thread to a dead horse in the last 45 min?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
let me get a couple licks in....
not to mention the first two games of the kitna era in 2010 were two of the worst losses in dallas history against GB and the powerhouse that is Jacksonville….he sure looked like an equal player to Romo there didn’t he?…
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Jan 30, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
i dunno but Dez look great while Kitna was playing
I think this team need to go after payton manning if he is healthy
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe you should ...
um move to Indy… and worship him.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
if he come to dallas i will..
Peyton Manning football iq is already light year beyond Tony pea head Oh No Romo..
Then you draft a young qb for Manning to help develop..
You trade Romo now you working with 2 first round picks.. now you can draft Decastro and Ingram in the first.. then you address your secondary.. Its going to be a bad year any way so why not sit Romo free so you can get something for him now???
If Manning sucks real bad we will be drafting early anyway.. We could draft a qb still so we are in a win win situation..
The herchel walker trade hurted fans but hey it sit the foundation for the 90 ’ s qb.. lets do the same here
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
decastro, ingram, couples
Pick any 2 you want.. we can have him..
All we gotta do is trade Romo.. Wouldnt those 2 guys be worth it??
I mean Romo contract is up in 2 years .. why pay a 100 mill plus to a 30 something qb with no rings and 1 playoff win???
I find it very hard to stomach the fact a lot of teams that make it to the playoffs or sb their qb stats are way less than Romo..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
NO!!!
It’s not worth it….
Romo’s contract isn’t up for 5 years. Romo got an extension through 2016 season. This is my point to you but you seem to think Peyton is so friggin hot but you don’t read crap. Elway didn’t win a Superbowl for Denver until he was in his 15th year with Denver… they give up on him.. NO! He was still considered a great QB excuse me an Elite QB. Peyton Manning didn’t win his first Playoff game until his 6th Season… this is Romo’s 5th btw… and he’s won one already. Manning didn’t win a SB until his 8th season. Yet you think we should get Manning (9-10) in playoff games and drop Romo… even though Manning is much older and more fragile. You are so full of it!
RexP
show me where his extension is thru 2016????
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually Rex
If Romo hasn’t been traded or cut by 2013, the “extension” is voided
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
What they basically that did...
Was to make his contract extension spread out over more years making it cheaper against the cap… they added 1 year to the 2012 contract and 3 years to the payoff of it. If he isn’t a Cowboy in 2013 all the money is guaranteed him… and goes against the cap in 2013… if he stays a Cowboy then in 2013 they have to renegotiate a new contract.
RexP
ouch... VOID
So the guy is on his way out regardless… Romo better get a ring if he wish to retire a cowboy..
2014..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 4:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Impossible and IDIOTIC
That would mean trading Romo.
ESPN
The move would cost the Cowboys at least $12 million against the salary cap in 2012 because of all of the proration remaining on Romo’s contract. But let’s say the Cowboys are willing to do this (and they never would, but let’s play along with Randy) and then would be able to sign Manning for the veteran minimum.
Will people stop with the “Get Peyton Manning” please?
Basically, we’d have no cap space after that… Then we don’t even know if Manning is healthy (he’s not even been medically cleared yet). So then what money will you have to build an OL for that statue of a QB? Don’t get me wrong, Peyton is a good QB… but I don’t see him having the success he did with the Colts anywhere else… not even half as much as the success he had there.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
You're NUTS!!!
The Colts will not cut Manning!!!! Worst historic move in the history of football.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
they drafting luck and there is already reports coming out they will cut him
He is due 28 mill bonus in march..
Are you not even aware of this stuff??
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 1:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm aware of everything!
But if you think that Indy will cut Peyton Manning before they know what they have in Luck you are nuts. Only 1/5 Number 1 QBs drafted every make good on their skills. That’s NUMBER 1 overall in the Draft. 1 of 5 odds suck when you have a ICON in Peyton Manning already on the team. This is the Scenario that will happen in Indy…. 1. They will keep Manning for a couple years to help with teaching Luck. 2. Manning is going to get most of his money because it’s guaranteed anyway. 3. Luck is not a guarantee, he is a prospect. Just like a number of other college quarterbacks drafted No. 1 that didn’t pan out… do you want me to list them all.
RexP
well Luck is suppose to be a once in a 10 year qb..
You have to cut Manning.. From a business and team standpoint..
How can you draft a qb 1 st overall and let him sit ???
That logic is just about the same logic you been posting on here.. Get real guy its bad business..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 1:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Like I said you lost it.
The reason they put in a ROOKIE SALARY CAP was for just this purpose. Since you seem to be so knowledgeable about the business side of football then why don’t you see this. The reason the owners wanted a rookie cap was because they were forced to pay for a bunch of flops aka RYAN LEAF and AKILI SMITH and a number of others.
The Salary Cap now allows owners to keep their players and stay under the cap with the first round draft pick not costing them the house. Your logic has no logic…. it is bad business to be stupid in your choices. Ask Cleveland 10 times over.
RexP
im just glad you dont run a nfl team
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ditto
More so on my part because you are willing to toss a known quantity out the door for an unknown one.
RexP
why would luck need to learn from manning ???
Cam didnt need to learn from anyone…
Maybe a Andy Dalton could have sat a year to learn but Luck doesnt need too.
This guy can tear both his ACL and MCL and still go 1 overall..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
OMG
I tell you what? Mr. Lostar… any Rookie I don’t care who they are is not going to be pro-caliber is first year out… ask Peyton Manning 3-13, Troy Aikman 1-15, Carson Palmer 6-7, Sam Bradford 7-9,1-9, Mathew Stafford 2-8… I can list more… but if you think just by saying he’s Elite coming out of college I guess I gotta believe you and bet the farm on him.
RexP
Cam and Andy Dalton
Let me put something really simple to you… so I can be clear about it… if Dalton does become a good or great QB it will be something… because 1-5 will fail… it may be him… and maybe not. Cam on the other hand will have a shorter career… because he takes more chances so there are more chances for him to be injured. Cam wasn’t a top 10 QB this year and was selected to the pro-bowl for one reason. FLASH!
RexP
Just another note:
Who’s doing the reporting? The mediots! They drive whatever is going to stir controversy. So, now I see where you get your information from.
RexP
You still are missing one thing...
Romo WILL NOT play back up ANYWHERE in this league. There are 22 teams in the NFL that would take him to start right now. So you can’t trade Romo… Trading = No caproom, and NO protection for that Statue of a QB.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
we trade Romo his whole contract go... his bonuses etc..
If anyrhing we will have more to spend in FA..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wrong lostar
If Romo is traded or cut Prior to 2013, his “extension” becomes guaranteed, thus accelerate that into this cap year…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
I really hate this comparison PEYTON MANNING VS TONY ROMO!!
Peyton is an elite QB so everyone says… Do you realize that Peyton Manning didn’t win his first playoff game until his 6th year starting… Do you also realize it took him 9 years to win his first Superbowl… in fact he was 0-3 in the playoffs his first 6 years but you’re going to give him praise and then take slight of Tony Romo. Pick a different QB if you want to make a comparison that’s valid. Like hmmm… let me think Bradshaw, Brady, Rodgers, Montana or Aikman.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not really sure what your point is.
In the post that you are responding to, I said that the OL and D needed to be improved, and that the biggest mistake in 2011 was gutting the OL.
I’m guessing that Brees and Smith felt better than Romo did watching from his couch. But I’m not sure what any of that has to do with this topic.
Can we win without Romo and whatever? Yes, the Cowboys have shown that they can win games without Romo and with a backup QB. I’m guessing that they can also win games with a QB that is more talented than Kitna and McGee.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 3:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure what your point is. You seem to be very irritated by anyone
who says that this team is better with Romo than without him. Why? Well, other than you say you must call them out while you question their loyalty to the team as opposed to their loyalty to Romo, which surprises me, quite frankly. For some reason, I thought you were opposed to defining what constitutes a fan.
Personally, I don’t think this team is as good without Romo. I don’t think it’s as good without DWare. Or Witten. Or Austin. I’m not going to go pull out little bitty sample sizes to prove that they can win without them. They won without Austin and they lost without him. I don’t think they are equally good without him. If it bothers you that I say that, I’m sorry.
this team can win without Romo and say that
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This team can win without Romo!
Ok … Do you feel better now?
Not saying that they can win as often without Romo, but I’m sure given the right opponent on any given day any team can win against any other team.
Example: KC vs GB this year… oppps….
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
nope not at all.. Not until everyone witness it with their own eyes
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone has...
and it was a far worse scenario… Dallas getting TWO of their WORST defeats in Franchise history under Kitna… and we ended up 6-10.
Instead, this season, with a Romo who missed 1.5 games due to broken ribs, a puntured lung (pneumothorax) AND a busted up hand still singlehandedly WON US more games than Kitna and the ENTIRE team did last season.
He did have his mistakes in 2 games, but every QB does… and I’m not so sure those “other” QBs who have mistakes like thos, have a HC who is too dumb to realize that when you’re ahead 24 points in the 4th QTR, it’s time to run the ball.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Romo played last year, too.
Again, I’m not saying that the team was better without Romo, but you are implying that they went 6-10 without Romo playing. They were 1-5 with him as the starting QB last year, and ended up 6-10. So when you say better than the entire team last year, that includes him, as well.
Romo absolutely was the primary reason we won the SF game. What other games do you feel he won singlehandedly?
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
but isnt Romo a elite qb..
I know its was the oline fault we was losing???
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
His body of work tells otherwise.
Do you really know what you are talking about or do you just say crap just to say it. Don’t say you aren’t a ROMO hater then in every word that comes out your mouth is to say something bad about Romo. First Romo career wise is 2nd only to Aaron Rodgers in Passer Rating… that’s career total for all Quarterbacks period… including Brady, the Mannings, and all your other Elite QBs.
RexP
I also remember philly beating the turd out of us this year twice
Also plz add in 2008 you win you in …
We got beat so bad i had to turn away from that game.
All with Romo at the helm guy…
Like i said guy ive seen it all with Romo at qb… nothing doesnt surprise me anymore..That is why i said we can move on from Romo and be just as good or better
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"nothing doesnt surprise me anymore"
So it does surprise you?
I'm irritated with people who say they CANNOT win without Romo.
I’m not irritated with people saying they are far, far better with Romo than without him. I’m one of them. I’ve said it repeatedly.
I agree about all the other players you mentioned, as well. As you point out, they won with and without Austin. No one is claiming that they can’t win without Miles Austin. That’s just silly, especially since they have done so. And yet, they have won and lost without Romo, and people make the claim that they can’t win without Romo. It’s equally silly to me.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Would you consider.....
less likely to win consistently without Romo? HAHAHA.
You can't convince these guys otherwise.
That’s why I didn’t even want to argue. Alex Smith went from being terrible to mediocre. So idk how anyone can compare him to Romo other than Kordell Stewart.
by BrickTop on Jan 30, 2012 6:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kordell Stewart should've played WR
He was miscast as a QB for 5 yrs in Pittsburgh after Neil O’Donnell burnt them by going to the Jets, and then Mike Tomzack and Kent Graham proved they were garabage in their own right.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not bashing Kordell as a player
just as an analyst.
by BrickTop on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can agree that with oline improvements and slightly better d Romo can take us very deep
He doesnt need both just one or the other because with improved oline play our RBs will inevitably get better and score more too.
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
Did you watch the NO vs San Fran game when Brees threw that ball over his back shoulder into the ground while being sacked… Great QB’s do it all the time… Great QBs think they can throw the ball from any where in any position… Great QB’s don’t manage a game… they influence it. All this bs about Tony throwing the ball while under pressure… making an attempt to create a play when no play exist… won many games for us during his tenure. This season and seasons in the past. There is never a good time to throw the ball away… in his eyes. He loses his belief that he can make things happen when it looks like all is lost then you lose him as a QB.
I would love anyone to tell me that Roger would have thrown the ball away when he had 3 DLmen baring down on him… no he ducked did some kind of miracle something came out of the pile and threw and 40 yard bomb down field to Preston Pearson or who ever was open at the time. Screw all that throwing the ball away… with a QB like Romo he’s a risk taker much like Staubach was and I for one never want to see him change.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Romo didnt have a single vote!
Pleasantly surprised. Is the fanbase starting to come to its senses!?
"Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory." - General George S. Patton.
Perhaps the supposed Romo hatred is just way overblown.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 30, 2012 3:27 AM CST up reply actions
Don't say that!
All the BtB cliques that like to verbally circle-jerk over straw man arguments from imaginary fans will have nothing to rant about
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 30, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
I find it sort of ironic that
you said this right below Lostar’s post.
I'm not saying Tony Romo is the reincarnation of the mythical Romulus. I'm just saying
Which one, pray tell
#demarcusvstheworld
Cowboys wishlist: RG3
by accidental innuendo on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Sometimes
people have to stop saying what the Mediots and Analysts spew, and stop and actually look at the stats and research for themselves. That’s the biggest pet peeve I have about fans: People will make a false statement, and state it as fact… and other ignorant fans take them at their word.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
BPS is right... but Lostar2009 is just plain lost!
Baked you are right we can win without Romo… how much we win will be dependent greatly on how we play and who we have a QB. Lostar dude I’m sorry to say but you are just plain lost and confused. You have so much Romo hate in you it makes you blind to the truth and to the facts. Romo is going to be the future QB in Dallas and you for one with all your hate are going to have to live with that fact. What we need to really concentrate on is what can we do to help our quarterback get better. If Peyton Manning can have an 8 year learning curve before being considered Elite… Romo should at least have that much time. If you can’t figure out how to support your team with it’s quarterback then it’s up to you to make a choice. Go get you a blue and white had and root for Indy. They get all the Luck!! or at least they will when they draft 1st this year.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 30, 2012 1:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yea i also remember manning taking a 1-15 team to the playoffs his second year
Hey i have no hate for Romo i just dont believe he is the answer and that as i said before we can win without him..
Hey it is what it is this team hasnt been 12-4 or better in years .. Ive seen a lot of bad with Romo but hey i guess once this guy stop playing and we still havent sniff a sb dont say lostar didnt tell you so.
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Peyton never took a 1-15 team to the playoffs his second year... sorry
Peyton was 3-13 in his first went 13-3 in his second year and lost miserably in the playoff game having a Passer rating of less then 63 against Tennessee in his first 3 playoff appearances he never had above 90 passer rating… his worst being to NYJ with a 31 passer rating. His playoff trips have not been too spectacular all around. In fact in the year he took Indy to the Superbowl his passer rating never exceeded a 90 during the playoffs once dipping to 35.5. What I was saying and I am saying is you are will to say that Peyton Manning is an elite QB yet you give him time to be elite because he isn’t playing for the Cowboys therefore his Elite status can not be in question but after 5 years you question Tony’s Elite status though his stats are similar if not better then Peytons. Including wins and losses… Tony had a 13-3 season his second took us to the playoffs and lost… just like Peyton… who went 10-6 the following year just like Tony 8-5 out for 3 games… who went 11-5 the next year just like Peyton who went 6-10 whoops…. sorry a year out… ok so now we are at a quandary. Romo had a 8-8 season… of which during the last 6 games he had a passer rating above 105 and threw 18 tds and 3 ints… tell me it was Romo… or better yet tell me it was Peytons fault that Indy went 2-14 this season.
RexP
guy i stop reading bc u just confirm my statement
Manning took a 1-15 team to the playoffs his second year.. As a matter of fact how many playoffs have manning been to???
Man you can even talk about playoffs here in Dallas anymore and you might get hang talking about a sb..
If Romo at least took us to.the playoffs more i would be okay with him.. lately tho no playoffs 2 nd straight year where we didnt make the playoffs.
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well my error 3-13 ...1-15 .. i give you 2 games you feel better
2 games a 11 game difference !!!!
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 2:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lostar Manning didn't take them to the playoffs every year.
In Five year Manning took Indy to the playoffs 3 times… In five years Romo has taken Dallas to the playoffs 3 times. … get it.
RexP
I doubt you get it!
Point was you used a bad QB for your comparison… if you wanted to use a QB that won early and often you should have chosen Montana, Brady, Aikman, Bradshaw, or I don’t know… just not Peyton Manning because they have about as close as you can get to being identical in their careers.
RexP
yea but he went to the playoffs 3 times !!!! as a young buck
With Payton playoffs is the norm.. Its sb next
.
Now with Romo playoffs isnt the norm .. we dont know what will happeen
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How do you know you have only taken the first five years into the book!
Peytons first five years are the exact same as Romo’s his last 10 years he’s made the playoffs 9 times… of those he won one SB and lost one. Romo does not have the number of years to make that assumption… and that’s what you are doing ASSUMING…. making an A$$ of U and MING… whoever Ming is?
RexP
As i said playoffs was the norm for manning
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are lost and this conversation is over because...
1) Peytons first 5 years are exact if not less then what Romo has done… Case in point… Peyton in his first 5 years took Indy to the playoffs 3 times and lost all three.
Romo’s first 5 years he has taken the Cowboys to the playoffs 3 times and won once… which makes his career similar…
2) To compare the last 10 years for Peytons career against the Zero years of Tony Romo is not only stupid but not even a productive argument. There has to be something to compare it to.
3) You have nothing to back your statements up with except the same crap haters throw around all the time.
4) Playoffs were the norm for Manning after his 6th year… That will be next year… could be the start of a whole new era.
5)If Indy trades Peyton on that premise they never make another trip to the Superbowl or playoffs.
RexP
peyton enter the year in 2008 and as a rookie
Romo entered in 2006 and spent like 3 years on. The bench …
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ha ha!!!!!
Manning miss the playoffs his rookie year 2008 and 2001 other than that he maintain status quto..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hey you are the one who used a small sample of data
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its the only data you can use...
This is Romo’s first 5 years.. .that was Peytons first 5 years.
Look so to be clear on this I’m not a lover nor a hater. I look at stats and abilities.
Simple Romo’s stats put him in the TOP 5 QB’s in the country current and past. When you make a statement that one is better then the other… prove it to me with comparable stats otherwise not one thing you can say is valid.
RexP
this is Romo 6 th season as a cowboy starter
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
His 5th season as a Cowboy starter...
First season… he was on the bench and came in late took us to the playoffs… 2nd season full season 13-3 … 3rd season sidelined for 3 games with injury 8-5 4th season 11-5 5th season out 10 games injury… 6th season 8-8 … now first since we were comparing the first 5 years… because Peyton actually played all the games. 10games missed and started on the 6th game of the 1st season gives us 5 whole complete season to base stats on.
RexP
Romo started 10 games in 2006
http://www.nfl.com/player/tonyromo/2505354/profile
Thats way more than half the season.. i gave him that year bc of that You give him the playoff credit but not the rest..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dont wanna hear that hog wash you talking
Tell it to fernie , roputri or someone else who always agree with you..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 4:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
with one season we was 1-6 with him as a starter.
We had 0 shot at the playoffs even tho he went out..
Any more hissy fits or name calling????
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 4:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
who's having a hissy fit... lol?
You are trying to compare oranges to apples and you have no more oranges… wait until the next tree grows and we will see if we have more oranges and quit trying to compare something when there isn’t anything to compare it too. And who’s name calling? Don’t think I ever called you a name.
RexP
hey i have a whole bucket of fruit, i got apples, grapes, oranges, bannanas..
Take your pick … ???
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 4:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
im so tired of these so call " idiot" analyst being right about this team and qb year after year
I also find it odd that ex cowboys doubt this team and qb year in and year out.
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 2:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why do don't you STOP
listening to FORMER players who NEVER played the QB position in the NFL, and start listening to the list of QBs who stand behind Romo 100%???
Danny White
Roger Staubach
Troy Aikman
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner
Steve Young
They all stand behind him. In fact I’ve only heard ONE quarterback EVER dis Romo; Terry Bradshaw… and he wasn’t even a good QB!
Tony is number 3 on the all-time passer rating list behind Peyton Manning and Steve Young.
Brad Sham: I’ve always thought Tony Romo reminded me of Don Meredith a little.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
bradshaw was good enough to win 4 sb...
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And so was Trent Dilfer
What’s your point?
DEFENSE wins Championships. Bradshaw was the bus driver. They didn’t get named the Steel Curtain for nothing.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
Dilfer was a bad QB
and good enough to win a ring.
"He has a rating of around 100, for crying out loud, he leads the league in fourth-quarter quarterback rating, he doesn’t throw an interception in the red zone the whole year, and yet they don’t get there. I’ll guarantee you there are quarterbacks in this league in the past that have won Super Bowls without performing nearly at the level that Tony Romo has performed at. So it’s a matter of everybody else playing their position the way Tony plays his, and that team will be in the Super Bowl every year. And I think he knows that." - Danny White, 2012
omg.. u right you are sooooo right..
Now who is in the HOF as a qb now ??
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 8:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hey u kno what.. ima stop posting on this blog
Bc it has over 200 comments and i know im good for like 70 of them….
The truth will tell.. Who is wrong or right about Romo.. we will see.
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 8:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Too much focus on Romo again...
but obviously the Defense kept us in week 17, they gave up the big plays and we never got back in it… it’s like Ed Reed says you wonder about the guys on the other side of the ball. Romo’s play does not give you a lot of confidence when he plays NYG whereas Manning seems to always be able to pull out the win.
It was the defense that let us down in the 2nd half of game 1 vs NYG but clearly in week 17 the game was over the 1st time we scored. When you get shutout the 1st half of any game you don’t deserve to win.
The game would have been different if we had Demarco Murray that’s for sure, it was not Felix Jones who lost it though. That falls clearly on the defense and TNew was a big weak spot.
Romo was playing injured and did not look accurate throwing deep, but the defense should have kept the game close in the 2nd half when we had the momentum to get back in it. McGee, as I’ve said before, would have been a better choice, but Romo’s numbers never seem to suffer despite the injuries so you certainly can’t blame it on Romo.
Somehow, someway great QB’s win these games, so wherever you point the finger after 6 years you have to wonder was 1 playoff win Romo’s ceiling? So far it is… like Aikman’s was 3 SBs and Danny’s was 3 NFC Championship games. We may never see playoff success again from Romo. Next January will be his next shot at it.
God I hate when people sit here and start their analyzing without any consideration to the facts.
The first giants game the defense not only let us down they made the 2nd game a have to win. Then because Tony was injured in the Philly game… and did anyone of you look at that mans hand. I’m wondering how well you would have held the ball. It’s in his nature unlike that of Vicks to play every down no matter what. He wanted to go back in the Philly game hurt… the San Fran game hurt… before he was even looked at. You want to consider every mistake but don’t take into consideration any circumstances. He had the first game won… He has beat Manning many times over. No matter what the is a team sport … Romo wins and loses because of the team just like Manning. Quit blaming the QB when things go wrong and quit making him a savior when things go right and you will have an easier time dealing with Romo as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys because believe me barring any serious injury that will be the case for the foreseeable future.
RexP
im not making him a savior.. i just know some games he is due for a breakout
To be honest the way that detroit game and jets game went the guy better not throw any more ints..
They was ready to run that guy out of town.. I notice something about JJ. When the fans get tired of something on the team so does JJ. So he tries to fix it..
That detroit game put Romo on notice that the fans was getting sick if his bs irratic play.. If you gonna suck then suck.. If your good then be good..dont be good one game tank 2 games then play average ball for 5 games stink a game then play lights out for 3 games..
Its in Romo history guy..
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 6:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's what QBs do. That's what athletes do.
Try to get some perspective. Cheer for the Packers or Saints for a couple of years so you can realize that teams, QBs, are all like that.
brees on point.. arod, brady they are all on point..
I mean geesh it seem like every year drew brees is about to break some NFL record, or brady has figure out a way to set a new stanard for greatness… or the fact Arod game goes to a next level even Manning we he one a bowl his game was on fire seasons before or leading up to..
Now Romo finally puts up+30 td and 10 ints… LMAO!!!!!! Thats no where near a NFL record!!!! Thats ROMO BEST NOT LEAGUE BEST !!!!!!!
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 4:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
guy i also remember some of our most heart breaking loses early on in the season
The defense was doing its job!!!!! Remeber early on when our D was rank like top 5 in the league?
Its hard defending a team then having to play aganist your own qb too.
By the time the second half of the season came the wheels was coming off our aging defense.the games i wish we coulld have won early on to help for a playoff push wasnt there and the down hill slope was near.
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 6:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
OLine and DLine are mostly to blame.
Not all the blame, because the DBs and others messed up as well.
However, this is our main problem.
Eli is playing great, but his OLine should get a lot of the credit. The same with NE and GB. Look how the Bears started playing when the OLine gave Cutler time. Cowboys need a strong OLine that keeps Romo upright and allows him to move up to avoid the edge rush.
Same with the DLine. QB hits are much more important then Sacks. Look how many times the Giants hit the QB over that 6 game span compared to us. We need to push the middle of the pocket into the QB so that the edge rush can get to him.
how many times did san fran sack eli???
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 6:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and he still won the game for them...kept them in it
Romo.get sack.that many times he throwing turnovers etc
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 8:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He won the game for them? No, he really didn't. That game was won
on special teams. Did you even watch?
Hmmmm...
Romo was sacked 19 times in December and threw eight TDs and zero picks. But why bother with the facts, right?
yea but how many sacks was on Romo holding on to the ball missing reads???
by lostar2009 on Feb 3, 2012 1:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
How many of those eight did Eli do the same? According to the Sturm
article, for ALL of last year, only four sacks were directly because Romo held on to the ball too long. He doesn’t say if any of those were in December. If you want to continually find fault with Romo, I can’t stop you, but, really, it’s hard to take you seriously when you ignore other problems on the team and the faults of other QBs and focus all of your anger on Romo.
The grass is always going to be greener on the other side for some.
Some fans just will not be happy unless we have the best player at their respective position for all 22 starters on offense and defense.
Pretty much. The nitpicking directed at Romo gets ridiculous
sometimes, and no matter what the facts are, some folks will find fault with him. Sometimes, no matter how much someone wants to focus on the QB, there are other reasons why a team loses.
it doesnt matter any more Eli has a 2 nd sb ring..
While playing efficent qb… making plays when they COUNT!!! He was under constsnt pressure and he made plays and had 0 turnovers
by lostar2009 on Feb 5, 2012 10:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
its just has to be a point when your franchise qb has to make plays without turning the ball over and taking sacks or loss of yardage..
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 6:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The point is..
the QB needs time to make plays.
yea in fantasy land...
I remember time in and time out QBs making playing while getting hit.. Making plays in laser accuracey
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yea ELI just won a sb under sloppy oline play.. get real kid
Romo haa to step his game up for the STAGE not just for himself to look good
by lostar2009 on Feb 5, 2012 10:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

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