Cowboys Crave DB's: Is Janoris Jenkins Their Guy At 14?
If you are a regular reader of the living legend Rafael Vera and his site Cowboys Nation, then you would have saw some interesting news on there recently.
Wes Bunting: The one thing I wanted to tell you that I was hearing from Dallas people, the one thing that was going on was DB. That's what I heard, the position they're focusing on first and foremost is DBs.Cowboys Nation: That's seeping through. I'm getting that impression, from what I've seen and read. Does this mean they're looking to go for one in the first, or does this mean that they'll lean on the incredible depth at the corner spot and maybe get one in the 2nd or 3rd, or take DBs in both.WB: For all we know, it's BS and they're trying to get misleading info out there, but that's what I heard, that DB is the biggest concern for them.
CN: Where does Jenkins sit now in the first? Give me your assessment and any others that you heard in Mobile. He's obviously a first rounder, but how high can he rise after this week?
WB: I would say, 15 to 25. Somewhere in there.
CN: I saw a big mock today with him going 14 to Dallas.
WB: That's fair, because the one thing I heard from Dallas people is that they were focusing on DBs, first and foremost...
Wes Bunting passes along some information to Raf about the Cowboys heavy interest in defensive backs. That shouldn't really raise any eyebrows on here at BTB. We have been beating to death the topic of how bad our secondary has been and how we need to focus on that in free agency and the 2012 NFL Draft.
I know it's really early and we should take everything we hear with a grain of salt, but this is Wes Bunting and Raf we are talking about. These are legitimate sources who hold some clout among the NFL. This isn't some fan boy sitting in his basement and making something up.
Wes Bunting is one of the best, if not the best, draft guru's out there. Raf is one of the best Cowboys writers out there as well. When either one of these guys say something that is relevant to the Dallas Cowboys, I make sure I poke my head up and remember what they say.
Now Wes does mention that this could be a disinformation tactic by the Cowboys and usually I would agree. This time I believe the information is indeed real information.
Last year the Cowboys really put out a lot of disinformation and attempted to trick the rest of the NFL. There was talk of how the Cowboys really liked Aldon Smith and wanted to pair DeMarcus Ware with another "Ware" like talent. Call me a sucker, but I believe that one was true.
Then there was the talk about JJ Watt, and call me a sucker again because I believe that rumor was true as well.
The rumor I didn't buy was about the offensive tackles and how they would value Anthony Castonzo, Derek Sherrod, Nate Solder, and Tyron Smith the same.
I also didn't buy the rumor that the Cowboys loved Prince Amukamara, which was suggested by Michael Irvin the day of the draft on the NFL Network. Yeah, I didn't buy that one either.
So why am I buying this rumor? Well besides the sources, it just makes sense for the Cowboys to value CB's this year.
What would be the easiest route for the Cowboys to take to plug up this defense? I would say from their point of view it would be cornerback and safety. Shoring up the secondary may help the front seven. Anyway you want to look at it, the secondary needs to be addressed.
Yes, Anthony Spencer is not the answer and that is a topic I have beaten to death. From everything that has been reported so far, the Cowboys are willing to let Spencer walk in free agency and test the market. But that doesn't mean they won't attempt to resign him to a one year deal. It also could suggest they will pick up someone in free agency or draft his replacement in the second round.
I believe that the Cowboys have been watching the cornerback position for a while now. Last year they tried to replace Terence Newman before it was too late. If not for a last minute swoop in by the Eagles, Newman never would have been wearing a Cowboys uniform this year.
Then the Cowboys gave Orlando Scandrick a five year extension worth 27 million dollars. The thinking there must have been to lock Scandrick up before he hit the free agency market in 2012. The Cowboys value Scandrick in his nickel/slot role, but will give him every opportunity to win the starting job out of training camp next year.
Mike Jenkins, who I think is our best cover corner, will be on the market in 2013. I believe the Cowboys will resign Jenkins to a similar deal Orlando Scandrick received last August.
On the roster the Cowboys have only two current cornerbacks worthy of being on a NFL team, Jenkins and Scandrick. Alan Ball is a free agent and should most likely get his walking papers. Frank Walker's one year deal expires and he is another one to bite the dust. Then there is Terence Newman and his bloated contract. If the Cowboys cut Newman before June 1st, they save four million dollars. If they cut him after June 1st, they save six million dollars.
Now if you have been keeping track, that means the Cowboys will probably have to add anywhere from two to three cornerbacks.
There is free agency, but good cornerbacks don't come cheap. People have mentioned Atlanta's Brent Grimes, who is going to be 29 years old. Tennessee's Cortland Finnegan is another intriguing option on the market this year. New York's Terrell Thomas, who is coming off a major injury will also be available.
In my opinion, the cheapest route to go here is the NFL Draft. This cornerback class is the deepest it has been in the last five years. The first three rounds offer teams quality prospects who range from cover 2 type cornerbacks, to the press coverage type cornerbacks we usually prefer.
But there may be one cornerback who is arguably the cream of the crop in this years 2012 draft class. If we were having this discussion about this player a year ago, we would have been talking about him being a top ten pick. That is how good this kid can be.
Janoris Jenkins
It's a shame this kid has character and off the field issues, because he is an amazing prospect. He is on the small side, 5'9 3/4 and 191 pounds. Size is becoming something that more and more NFL teams are looking for in cornerbacks. This is one case where I am willing to overlook a prospects size because Jenkins is such a dynamic talent at cornerback.
Wes Bunting described Jenkins as "one of the hardest cornerbacks to separate from". What that means is the kid sticks to wide receivers like glue. I will not break out and dust off the "lockdown" cornerback term very often, but in this case it applies to Jenkins. He has been rumored to run a 4.36 40, so Jenkins definitely has some world class speed.
He locks onto his man and has the speed to trail a wide receiver down the field. Jenkins may have the best hips of any corner in this draft as well. He is clean in his backpedal and can cut on a dime. Really there aren't too many ways you can beat Janoris Jenkins.
Now what you see with lockdown corners sometimes is that they aren't ballhawks. Finding a cornerback who is both, is a rare occurrence in today's game. Jenkins also has the ball skills that make me drool and he reminds me a lot of Asante Samuel. Yes, Jenkins is willing to take chances to make the interception. But you have to have a cornerback with the confidence to do that, and Jenkins does have the confidence aka swagger.
Some say Jenkins is weak in the running game and isn't a good tackler. I disagree and I think Jenkins is an average tackler. He is a little chirpy and physical for a guy his size and does like to get it in sometimes. He takes really good angles on plays and he will make sure he at least gets the guy down, I believe Jenkins is a better tackler than what he gets credit for and he is no Deion Sanders in that area. Deion was the worst tackling corner of all time.
Jenkins also brings you another threat as a punt returner. This kid is a threat with the ball in his hands, so it may not be a bad idea to use him on kickoffs and punts. He is pretty dynamic in that area as well.
What I also like about Jenkins is his level of competition he faced while at Florida. He did a great job against two first round picks, AJ Green and Julio Jones. He also locked down possible future first round pick Alshon Jeffery. While he was at Florida, teams began to throw to the other side because Jenkins was that good.
- 2010- 43 tackles, 1 sack, 3 INT's,8 PBU, 1 TD
- 2009- 29 tackles, 1 FF, 2 INT's, 6 PBU
- 2008- 34 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF, 3 INT's, 11 PBU
At Florida, Jenkins learned the off/zone coverage scheme and he excelled at it. When he transferred to North Alabama after getting kicked out of Florida for his legal and marijuana issues, he had to learn a press scheme under Terry Bowden.
This is why I think Jenkins is even more interesting as a prospect. He was great in the off/zone scheme at Florida, and then learned how to play some press/man while at Northern Alabama this year.
- 2011- 53 tackles, 2 INT's, 4 PBU
Janoris Jenkins is a top ten talent folks. He is the real deal athletically and he will go to that combine next month and destroy it. This is why this will be such a hard decision for the Dallas Cowboys. Wes Bunting is assuming Jenkins will fall to us at 14, and could be available when we go on the clock.
But the question remains the same, will the Cowboys draft Janoris Jenkins? We all know it won't be his lack of athleticism that won't get him drafted by the Cowboys, it will be the other concerns, the off the field stuff.
Already here on BTB, we have seen some say Jenkins is the next Pacman Jones. They are calling him Pacman Jr. Is that fair to Janoris Jenkins? Is Janoris Jenkins another Pacman Jones?
We don't know because we are not there when these interviews go down. I assume each NFL team will interview Jenkins and hear what he has to say. I believe Jenkins is a kid who never had direction and leadership before. Jenkins said he formed a close bond with coach Terry Bowden and felt really humbled by all of his negative experiences at Florida.
"I didn't want people to make it seem like I was running from my problems," Jenkins said. "The reason for me going to North Alabama was to face reality, humble myself and get focused to make sure I don't make the same mistakes. I just wanted to prove to everybody that I'm not a bad kid, that I just made a few mistakes and I'm ready to move forward."
I don't think Janoris Jenkins is the next Pacman Jones. Pacman Jones was a complete thug who somehow had football skills. Now, I could be dead wrong about Janoris Jenkins, but when I look in his eyes I don't see Pacman. It's just my opinion, it's how I feel about the kid.
Like I said earlier, it is a real shame that this is the stuff holding us back from really liking him as a Cowboys prospect. He loves to play the game and is a hard worker. He made some horrible decisions and now these decisions are preventing him from possibly finding a NFL home in the 2012 NFL Draft.
We have to remember that Jerry Jones takes chances sometimes on special players. He hasn't done it as much recently and now we have the Jason Garrett era into full swing right now. But let's say Janoris comes in and has a great interview with the Cowboys. If he sells Garrett that he is a hard worker and loves the game (which I think he could), then maybe drafting Jenkins at 14 isn't such a long shot anymore.
Jerry Jones will love this kid, mark it down. Jerry loves flash and Janoris Jenkins is the flashiest cornerback in this draft. So if it is true that the Cowboys really want a cornerback, then Jenkins might be their guy.
I have to admit, Janoris Jenkins is growing on me at 14, especially if his off the field stuff is under control. If he really puts that stuff behind him and is serious about playing football, than I would embrace that pick with open arms. Not too long ago, everyone thought he was going to be the first cornerback taken in the draft.
Dez Bryant fell in the draft for some character concerns (not drugs mind you), and Jerry traded up and got his man. It wouldn't shock me to see Jerry take another chance on another immensely talented young man in the draft. At least Jerry is willing to take chances on premier talent, and Jenkins is a premier talent. I know I wouldn't mind landing one of the best cornerbacks in the draft if he is ready to move on with his life.
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Question Chia
I have a Hypothetical Scenario for you….
Dallas is sitting at 14 and the Draft has Fallen this way:
1 Indianapolis Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2 St Louis Matt Kalil OT USC
3 Minnesota Justin Blackmon WRF Oklahoma State
4 Cleveland Robert Griffin QB Baylor
5 Tampa Bay Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6 Washington Michael Floyd WRF Notre Dame
7 Jacksonville Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
8 Miami Courtney Upshaw OLB34 Alabama
9 Carolina Devon Still DT43 Penn State
10 Buffalo Whitney Mercilus OLB34 Illinois
11 Seattle Trent Richardson RBF Alabama
12 Kansas City Riley Reiff OT Iowa
13 Arizona Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
Now with Quinton Coples, Janoris Jenkins, AND David DeCastro sitting there…
Who do you think the Cowboys would take?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 8:14 PM CST reply actions
Great Question!
I would personally hope they would jump on Coples. I think he is head and shoulders best DL in this draft.
Wars are won in the trenches and we need some new big uglies!
I see it being Ingram, Coples, Decastro then Jenkins
Jenkins has a better chance of being drafted in the 1st round than Dre. I do not think Jenkins drafted that low. I can see some that will help mentor him like Packers, Saints, Giants, Niners, Ravens or Stealers taking him.
That is right now.
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Ingram has T-Rex arms, I'd pass. Coples wont last this long.
And Brockers is shooting up draft boards, so he will be gone as well IMO. It very well may come down to Jenkins and Descastro. I like the idea of trading back maybe, and still being able to grab jenkins around 20-24, either way there will be tremendous talent to choose from and after the combine, draft stock will change dramatically for some as well.
LSU is the only similarity between Michael Brockers and Marcus Spears
Brockers is everything the Cowboys thought Spears was going to be when they drafted him and more. Brockers is athletic, can bend far down, can push the pocket, and has immense lateral agility for his size. Spears is a stiff that can hold decently at the point of the attack, but hardly anything else. Brockers is both very powerful and quick, whereas Spears only has power to his game.
T-Rex arms?
Whenever I’ve looked at the guy, I’ve seen long arms, if anything. Like, proportionally the longest out of edge rushers in the draft. I’m not the only one that thinks so: Wes Bunting thinks that Ingram has very long arms: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=35346
I'll bite
David DeCastro.
a) The Core of your offensive line is set for a decade with Tyron and DeCastro.
b) The best cover corner, in my opinion, who has size, speed, ballskills, and tackling ability is Chase Minnifield out of Virginia. I love me Jenoris Jenkins, but if I can get his production without having to worry about a possible relapse in drug use, I’ll go with the guy in the second round.
c) Even though I like Coples, I’ll look at Kendall Reyes in the 3rd round, or Alameda Ta’amu.
Our weakest links were secondary and oline. If I can get DeCastro in RD1 and Minnifield amd RD2, I’ve set this team up for improved play. Our defense will be on the field less because our improved line will open more holes for RB and protect Romo longer. Our DBs will be improved in coverage.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on DeCastro
He is my pick for one and only one reason…I want the feeling I got last year watching Tyron Smith smash people x 2……..
Love watching the early rise of greatness…and DeCastro has 10 year greatness written all over him.
by Rome One on Jan 30, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that is the no risk draft but it is hard to argue against it.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
It's also
The Talent+Production+RKG approach.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Given your scenario...
I’d take Bockers DT, then pick a DB in rounds 2 and 4, G/C in round 3.
idk man
who do I think the Cowboys would take? I would assume DeCastro might be their highest rated player, but they might be in love with Janoris too
its too early yet, but from the DB talk, it might be Jenkins
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'm taking Coples everyday of the week.
Ingram and Jenkins would be in play as well. I like DeCastro but I can’t get behind taking a guard at #14.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
And play him where?
By all accounts he is a 4-3DE. He is neither a 3-4 OLB or a 5Tech.
I’d take DeCastro. Simply the best player at his position, maybe even for the last couple of years. He would have an immediate impact, in a position of dire need.
No14 is a bit early for Janoris Jenkins I feel. On top of that there are plenty of 2nd round corners available, so why waste your 14th pick on a position when you can get a comparable player a round later?
Why is he not a 5-technique?
People on here amaze me. Seriously. The guy is seven pounds less than JJ Watt. There is no physical reason that he can’t be a 5-technique. I mean hell, the guy played DT all the time for UNC and was thought to be playing around 290 lbs. during the season. Do some research.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Is DeCastro
A better prospect than Lupati was before he went to SF? I remember he had a lot of hype
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by I am a Romosexual on Feb 1, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
thats a good question
I think he is equal to Iupati, maybe better, that is why I think Dallas is going to love DeCastro
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Well DeCastro certainly started the draft process better than Iupati.
Iupati was a bit of a late riser in the sense that I think around January he was still being looked at as an early-second rounder, late-first rounder. DeCastro has been looked at as a top-20 guy for the past few months.
As far as talent, that is tough to say. I seem to remember there being more talk about Iupati possibly playing RT, but that is just off of the top of my head. What was so impressive about Iupati was his feet at his size. DeCastro meanwhile seems to be pigeonholed as a guard and I haven’t heard the same talk about him being a freak as far as size and mobility. Of course, he is coming out much more decorated and highly regarded so who really knows. Personally, I would doubt there is a large gulf between the two if any at all.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Coples ALL THE WAY
1. Coples
2. DeCastro
3. Jenkins (I have serious reservations about his size)
by somebodyquiet on Feb 1, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Gosh I hope so
I want Jenkins more than anyone else at this point (realistically from where we’re picking obviously, I’d love Claiborne but its not happening). A lot is going to change from this point until the draft, but if they were picking today, Jenkins would be my guy.
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cant blame you
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'd love Kirkpatrick
mostly for his size
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I think Kirkpatrick will be there at #14.
I think he may fall harder than Prince did last year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
If so
Who would be the pick? Kirkpatrick or Jenkins?
At this point I’m leaning towards Jenkins.
Let me be the scouting director AND the GM
Tough question.
I think Jenkins has more talent in coverage, but Kirkpatrick has physical assets that Jenkins doesn’t. I too lean towards Jenkins because I think he is more of a sure thing, but Kirkpatrick’s ceiling is quite high if he develops further. Tough question.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
thats what I keep coming too
Jenkins is smaller, but faster and the better cover guy
Kirkpatrick, has the size, a little slower but may have a higher ceiling
very difficult question
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Janoris Jenkins -
Could do a lot worse at 14…Jenkins will be a player…and “The Jenkins Duo” would be fun to root for….
DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, Coples..there will be players at 14…no doubt…
My question is – if Trent Richardson somehow falls to 14…do we trade out or go ahead and select the best RB in the draft…that could cause us some serious headaches….
trading down to 22 makes sense
Cleveland might be eager to trade up to get Trent Richardson. Would make sense if if we can get JJ at 22 plus their second round pick and give back our fourth
I like it!
Gilmore, Jenkins and possibly Dennard will be around at 22 plus two twos…
Now if we can only find two first round ILB’s with tough injuries!!!!
Just kidding…
But stacking two two’s with a solid CB from the first is to my liking…good thinkg.
actually I think (in this Scenario)
trading down is the best Option, as long as it is no further than 18….and the great thing is, is that San Deigo may want to trade up to jump Philly for Kuchley…trade would be;
SD gives up-18,79,172*
Dallas gives up- 14
that would give us the 18th 45th, 79th 82nd 113, 144, 172, 175, and 206
(*=est)
Dallas could then use the two third rounders plus the extra sixth rounder to move up to the mid second round…think about this draft
18-J.Jenkins
45-Stephen Gilmore
50(trade up with Buffalo) Bruce Irvin(among other options; Cordy Glenn, Ta’amu, Curry,etc)
113-Tank Carder
144-Winston Guy
175-Antonine McClain
206-Christian Thompson
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I just have a weird feeling
Richardson is going to fall a bit…and Dallas may start receiving some hot and heavy calls for him….
I may be wrong, but I do not see Richardson falling past the #6 spot
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Yes he is
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I actually think Richardson could very well fall
1) The Colts will take Luck
2) The Rams will either trade out or stay put taking either Kalil or Blackmon.
3) The Vikings will either take Claiborne, Blackmon, Kalil, or trade down.
4) Cleveland is either trading up for RGIII, or if he falls to them, they’ll take him at 4, or if he’s gone they’ll go BPA of Blackmon or Claiborne (they could then take Cousins either at end of first or in the second rd).
5) Tampa Bay doesn’t need a RB, the have Blount. Their front 7 and secondary needs help. And could always go WR.
6) The Redskins won’t take Richardson as the Shannahan model is to find later round diamonds in the rough, plus a guy like Lamar Miller would fit their style in the second roud. They’ll either trade up for RG3, or stay put and improve OL, secondary, ILB, or WR. I have a hunch they like Nick Foles, as he’s similar to Jay Cutler, and Shanny loved Jay Cutler, so they could either target him in the second rd or trade down and take him later on in the first.
7) Jacksonville has MJD and Karim, they need help in other areas, I don’t see them taking Richardson.
8) Carolina needs help on defense, front 7 and secondary. I don’t see them going offense, especially RB, where they have talent and depth.
9) Miami has Reggie, and Daniel Thomas. They need WR, Pass Rush, DB, and maybe help at OL.
10) The Bills like FJax and Spiller. They’re desperate for a pass rusher. I don’t see RB at that spot.
11) KC, might be the first team that considers RB since Charles got injured last year, and the depth behind him is suspect. They could also get Hali help at pass rush.
12) Seattle, not sure what they do.
13) Arizona doesn’t have a need at RB.
14) That brings us to Dallas, if Rirchardson falls, I’m either taking him or trading down.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well to play a little "devils advocate" Roh...
I could see Washington trading up with Cleveland to grab RGIII…and Cleveland taking Richardson at #6……
I really don’t see why they take RG3, as McCoy was a pretty good starter for them, just needs some help….and Richardson would be a big help…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
Cleveland isn't committed to McCoy
They said as much during the season. They made that public. They were using last season to evaluate McCoy long term, and reports are they want RGIII.
McCoy’s got a noodle arm, he’s small in stature, and short in height. That makes him a brittle target, especially since he’s a scrambler. Colt McCoy is nothing special, you can find Colt McCoys every year in the draft.
I will be completely shocked if the Browns do what you posit, trading with Washington.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 9:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Browns invested the 85th pick in 2010 draft on him
They can cut him and not get bit in the a$$ by the salary cap.
McCoy’s career numbers:
2010: started 8 of 8 games; 135/222; 60.8%; 1,576 yards; 6 TDs 9INTs; 7.1 Ypa; 74.5 rating; 2 fumbles (0 lost)
2011: started 13 of 13 games; 265/463; 57.2%; 2,733 yards; 14TDs 11 INTs; 5.9 Ypa; 74.5 rating; 11 fumbles (2 lost)
I’m sorry I don’t call that decent play. I call that mediocre play.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would't call that "pretty good" either
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They could get Richardson and go ground & pound
Defense ain’t too bad, unless it imploded after the loss of Rob. Don’t forget they just hired a new OC too. He was the Eagles OC during the McNabb era.
by bitterlyhonest on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said, the Browns aren't married to Colt McCoy
And I think Ground & Pound has proven to be a failure with the Jets, as it stunted Mark Sanchez’s progress as a QB.
You also have to remember: GM/President Mike Holmgren and HC Patt Shurmur understand the importance and value of having a franchise QB. Holmgren and Shurmur’s dad had Favre in GB, had Brunell and Kurt Warner come through their system while at GB. Holmgren also had Matt Hasselbeck in his GB system and then traded for him when he went to Seattle.
Holmgren wants his franchise QB come hell or high water. Also, if they hired an Eagles OC he too understands the importance of a franchise QB. I just think all those involved in the process for Cleveland can’t be impressed with Colt. They publicly stated during the 2011 season, they’re not committed long term to Colt.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Makes sense
But does that automatically mean they’re drafting RGIII. Could they wait one more year or look for a qb in free agency?
by bitterlyhonest on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Only one team is gettin Matt Flynn
And chances are, that team will be the Dolphins, as they hired Flynn’s former GB OC to be their head coach.
Matt Flynn is the only FA who will be considered the “prize.” The Browns are going to look for one in this draft, and RG3 is the second best prospect, he’s got mobility, a big arm, and accuracy: basically he’s a better version of McNabb.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Would agree
Flynn gets to make the choice where he goes. I would rather play in Iraq than with the Browns.
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I agree with you.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In surveys,
9 out 10 polled cannot tell the difference between Cleveland and Iraq. True fact.
Don't believe everything you think.
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another question
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Guess who??
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by Jonathan Stern on Jan 31, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
Drew Brees
I’ll counter though. Brees had a stronger arm than Colt, and the Chargers had fire power on offense to help with his development: LT, Keenan McCardell (acquired in 2004), and Antonio Gates. Furthermore, Brees got very motivated to prove his critics wrong (SD Media, SD fans, SD F/O) because the Chargers went out and used their 2004 #1 draft pick to acquire Eli and then trade him for Phillip Rivers. Having Phillip Rivers breathe down Drew’s neck in 2004 and 2005 helped bring out the firery competitor in him that we see today, before 2004, Drew wasn’t considered one of the leaders in SD, it was Marcelius Wiley, Doug Floutie, and LT. It was never Drew’s team as he was drafted in the 2nd Rd of 2001. It showed that following the 2005 season, the Chargers let him go as they didn’t want “their QB of the Future/Franchise QB” to waste a 3rd season on the bench.
I’m a Brees fan, aware of his story full well as I lived in SD during his career with the Chargers. But, I honestly don’t think Colt McCoy is the next Drew Brees, I don’t see the arm strenght (Drew’s worked on that arm) and I don’t see the field vision which Drew has.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
you might be right but if McCoy is anything Bress then it is worth a shot.
One day the Cowboys are going to need a QB we ought to start with the search , not cause there is anything wrong with Romo but it something we ought to be doing.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 31, 2012 5:38 AM CST up reply actions
chia they did value the OT the same last yeae..
JJ went out and said it..
by lostar2009 on Jan 30, 2012 8:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
and I think it was BS
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Jenkins
Gets my vote for who we take at 14. He’s the best corner in the draft in my opinion.
The way Raf was talking on Saturday
He made the case that Dallas will use FA $ on a Center like Wells or Meyers, plus a cheap backup QB, and a pass rusher: Campbell, Avrill, or Super Mario.
He said if they went that route, they’d hit the draft hard for Guards and DBs. Because going younger and cheaper, makes good business sense. That means, in my opinion, if FA plays out the way Raf opined, the Cowboys will go BPA in the draft.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 9:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
If he's there at 14, I'm trading down
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 9:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if he is there at 14...
I am taking someone else…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
either way you and I will be taking someone else
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I see him in second round I trade up to get him.
But at 14 I worry.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 31, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions
if this was Madden 11
and all I had to work with in draft scouting was a player’s age and measureables, yes I take Brockers in the first rd. Madden’s video game rewards Oakland Raiders style drafting.
But because I know his lack of production and I sense this is a money grab, I’m not risking my neck on this kid. Especially when his LSU DL predecessors had more productive careers and still are comsidered busts. I don’t like talented players who don’t produce prior to turning pro and who still have years in college left to play. If they were productive in College in their limited time, then it’s another story.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't risk my neck in the second rd either
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
he's not on the stat sheet
but he was a good interior defender of a top college defense
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
he can show me how good he is for at least 1more yr in college b4 I break out the checkbook
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's extremely raw
But he has immense talent. His talent is very comparable to Marcel Daerus of last year’s draft. This scouting report can say it better than I can: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41015
I've read the scouting report
I still wouldn’t touch him. He’s too much of a project @14. Let someonenelse swing and miss with him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 5:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wasn't JPP inexperienced as well?
Yet I’ve seen post saying that we do not acquire talent like that. Sometimes this is what it takes
JPP was raw
he didn’t start playing football until late in high school
he played at a JUCO before South Florida
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 2, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
JPP played two years of football at JUCO and 1 year at USF
He was more seasoned than Brockers
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I'd take him in a heartbeat
I personally believe he is the best defensive line prospect in the draft. He’s about on par with Quenton Coples, except with absolutely no motor or character issues. If you want to go back to Wes Bunting, he has Brockers as his 5th best overall prospect, and that’s definitely for good reason.
No Thanks
Merely relying on Wes Bunting, or SEC homerism isn’t the reason to take this kid.
1) The kid hasn’t proven anything so far in his college career;
2) He admitted himself, that when he talked to scouts prior to entering the draft, he was told he’s not a lock to go in the first round;
3) His own head coach said he needed to come back another season to improve his stock;
4) His predecessors Marcus Spears, Glenn Dorsey, and Tyson Jackson were more productive than Brockers in their LSU careers and are considered to be busts by many analysts
5) In OCC’s article on evaluting an looking for quality DL pass rushers, Brockers in 27 games played at LSU averaged 0.4 splash plays a game (1.0 or better is what you’re looking for), as he only registered 11 tackles for loss and 2 sacks.
6) Using OCC’s article I mentioned in number 5, Brockers IS NOT in Cople’s class. That’s an insult to Coples. Coples production ratio is 1.29 (24 sacks and 40.5 TFL in 50 games played), which is second to Jared Crick’s 1.31 PR (20 sacks 35 TFL in 42 games).
7) Here’s the article so you can see who else is better than future bust Brockers;
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes but normally sophomores projected for the first round or first two rounds have panned out pretty well
Larry Fitzgerald, Lesean McCoy, Aldon Smith, I could go on…
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by ProBowlFactory on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Aldon Smith panned out
because of his production ratio being around 2 splash plays per game for his 2yr average.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The sophmores who pan out are the ones who produced at a high level
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
produced @ high level in college
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 11:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
eventually yes
but I was just motivated by the DB talk
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong I love Janoris Jenkins
But this team needs to go all out in the trenches for the draft and free agency. I personally think we’d be fine with M.Jenkins and Scandrick, along with a few solid under the radar FA CB’s. The only DB position that should be drafted should be Safety. For that I like George Iloka in the 4th. He’s the ballhawk we need
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 PM CST reply actions
What if Jenkins and Kirkpatrick are both available at 14???
I’d be inclined to still take Jenkins. I think that Kirkpatrick is a higher risk because he couldn’t even stay clean during the most important time of his life is now. Jenkins appears to have learned his lesson.
given the choice between Kirk and Jenkins
I take Kirkpatrick very time…..provided he runs a decent 40 time(<4.5 preferably)
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
This is how I decide
If their quickness and agility are in the same ballpark, give me the faster one.
If their forty times are in the same ballpark, give me the quicker and more agile guy.
If the their speed, quickness, and agility are similar, give me the guy whose the most remorseful and least likely to be a WKG once he gets acclimated to Dallas FW area.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jenkins
Jenkins has all the tools but height… fluid hips, smooth back pedal, speed 4.36 in the 40 (that’s a no chit too) The guy is the best Corner in the draft period, even better then Clairborne… simple problem was drugs. Was or is? That is the question… I watch him play every year except last… @ Florida he played in a floating zone… and knows it well… at N. Alabama under Bowden he played in a press and played it well aslo. He has great quickness and ball skills. This is a guy that will be a shut down corner for the team that chooses him if he can stay off the green stuff. If you take any CB in the draft with issues this is the one you take and leave Kirkpatrick on the shelf. Dre can’t cover as well, isn’t as fast, and doesn’t have the same upside. Dre is a better tackler and can lay down the lumber.
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I like how he has played in two systems now
zone and press
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
I liked what I saw from Jenkins
I would love the pick.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 6:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wouldn't Jerome love a tall corner to defend guys like Maclin and Nicks
I also read he would be best in zone coverage since he reads the QB so well
I think Jenkins is the better cover corner, but Kirkpatrick has the size
might come down to what the scouts say or Rob Ryan
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
That's the way I feel Chia. It's hard to compare them. Jenkins clearly is faster, quicker and has a better skill set. Kirkpatrick on the other hand has the size to cover
the larger receivers in the NFL and is a superior tackler.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
yeah really two different players
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Dre - I don't know if you can beat the guy's tackling ability
He’s also usually at TNew’s position and wasn’t he the #1 CB coming out of High School? Reminds me of Demarco, you gotta like guys who were top 5 in HS and top 5 in college. Good chance that they can succeed in the pro’s. Demarco certainly could, maybe Dre can.
Is he the RKG though??
Is that sarcasim 5 Blings?
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Okay
What if Janoris Jenkins never got in trouble with anything. What if he finished his career at Florida and his coaches had nothing but good things to say about him. Where would he go in the draft? Top 10? Top 20?
by BrickTop on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
top 10
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Dont sleep on
Alphonzo Denard at 14 if Claiborne and Dre are both gone
by CowboyWay on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Dennard had a bad week of practice, and a bad Senior Bowl
For what it’s worth, the National Football Post dropped him to #56 on their big board. Also as of last week, Mel Kiper didn’t have him on his top 25 list. Moreover, NFL Draftscout’s own website (not CBS’ big board), has Dennard falling. Currently, on CBS’ Big Board, Dennard is 17, however on ESPN Scout’s INC Big Board he’s #25.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 2:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dennard might be the second round pick and converted to safety.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I really dont want Dennard at all
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Not even in the 2nd round ?
His stock is falling so far I could see him being there
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by Trueblue122 on Jan 31, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
in the 2nd maybe
but man I have really been turned off by him recently
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
He is over-rated in from what I have seen from him
Are you serious?
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I'd be real happy with that pick
I also like crick as our 2nd round selection.
Im coming around to taking a look at laron landry. Obviously Id want to make sure he’s fully recovered and could come at reasonable price
by howboutdemcowboyz on Jan 31, 2012 2:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions
A CB shorter than Newman
5’9 3/4"’ and 191 pounds.
Did you see what Bradon Marshall did to Newman?I can add a dozen WRs over 6’ 2" that can jump out of the house.I just don’t see this guy being able to cover in the red zone.
You can’t gamble with your No. 1 pick.Kirkpatrick is about 6’ 3" so I would consider him less of a gamble but he has warts too.
by TCB Orange Dino on Jan 31, 2012 4:40 AM CST reply actions
I get your point but tell me how many successful 6'3" corners there are
or have ever been in the league. Big guys who can run backwards as fast as some of these WR’s run forward just dont exist. There are a lot more successful corners at Jenkins size than there are at Kirkpatricks size. Jenkins height doesnt bother me, and 191 pounds isnt bad for that frame. I dont care how tall they are, I just want guys who can cover.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 AM CST up reply actions
Besides, its always been the little fast
Santana Moss’ , Desean Jacksons, Jeremy Maclins, and Steve Smiths in our division that have killed us. They dont make big guys who can cover those types.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2012 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
The Giants WR's would eat Jenkins for lunch
If Jenkins available at 14 I would pass.
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Jenkins would have a better shot at shutting down Victor Cruz
than anyone on our roster right now.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
i agree TCB
REagardless of how good his cover skills are, unless he has a 50" vertical, he isnt going to be able to prevent any completetions, has most of the WR’s will simply grab the ball at a higher point.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Lots of Hype
If Dallas wants Jenkins, you have to know that #14 is to high for him especially with his off the field behavior and drug problem. Maybe he has cleaned up his act, and I hope so for his sake but a CB isn’t going to make us considerable better. We have to get better up front or Jenkins will be covering someone for 5 seconds or more and you know what, WR win out on that some 90 percent of the time.
Better off trading down and get Jenkins later in the first. Fact is not sure that Kirkpatrick nor Jenkins won’t fall out of the 1st round completely. Teams are taking a more closer look at spending a high pick on someone that has a 50-50 chance of suspension off the bat.
Personally, Dallas has to get stronger on the interior offense line and the defense front seven before we ever are going to be a real Super Bowl contender. We all know how bad the Patroits secondary is even using WRs as DBs and have all talked about how bad the Giants secondary is yet seems like both of those teams are where we want to be.
Dallas will have to sign....
at least one free agent cb. It’s absolutely imperative. I would take Thomas in a heartbeat. He isn’t a superstar but very solid. Solid hasn’t been seen here in a while.
What round do we look at safety ? We have to at least try at the safety position.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
I agree Mensa
But the safety class is weak, and terrible safety play is an epidemic right now in the nfl. I think the best solution would be to take stephon Gilmore in the second and convert him to FS. Just a thought, since none of the FS prospects this year are the center fielded types we’re looking for. Even Markelle Martin, the highest rated FS in the draft is more of an in the box safety.
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Gilmore is one of the 2 cb's who I think translates well to safety.
Dre being the other.
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by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
the safety that I want us to take is from your school, LSU
Brandon Taylor
idk I just like the kid
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
I like Taylor too. He has game. He will become a solid contributor.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Do you see Taylor more as a SS or FS?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think he can play both
but if he can continue to ball hawk, he could be a FS
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
me to
I got him in the 4 rd
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in the 2nd or maybe even the 3rd.
by BrickTop on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am souring on him
reports have not been good on him, especially in coverage
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
Blah. Wes Bunting was talking him up a bit after the Senior Bowl so I figured he was still regarded as top FS
by BrickTop on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
havent heard much good man
he can hit though
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Martin is anoter prospect that is hard to get a grasp on
he is a real good athlete, but when I am reading reports during the week, it sounded like he wasn’t good in coverage
they say he can hit and is real fluid in the hips
I must admit, George Iloka is intruiging because he is 6’3 and athletic
he was described as a “Aaron Hernandez” killer, we could use a guy to match up on TE’s like that
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
George Iloka would be a nice prospect
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I m sold on him
I want him badly
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
okay
so Jenkins is 5’9 3/4, lets say 5’10
Joe Haden 5’10,let’s say 5’11
Devin McCourty 5’10, lets say 5’11
Darrelle Revis was 5’11, 6’0
Patrick Robinson 5’11
Morris Claiborne is 5’11, almost 6’0
I really am not bothered by Jenkins size because of his skill set, these other guys would fit the Cowboys criteria for corners and all are under 6’0
I have been wanting the taller CB myself, to matchup with, but Jenkins is a great talent
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM CST reply actions
i thought clairborne is 6'1
At least that’s what Kiper claims on his big board
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What about Brandon Flowers?
5’9 and ran like a 4.6 on the combine.
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yup he is another one, good one
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
I wrote this last night, before I read the Rob Ryan comments on OCC's article
DB talk, heating up
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 AM CST reply actions
big WR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=J5tH53cLW4U
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST reply actions
Jeff Fuller is a good player
but Wes cited Fuller leaping over Jenkins to make a catch, despite being covered. That’s what Fuller does, at 6’5ish, but that’s the problem smaller CBs have. Dallas can’t seem to find a 6’ tall CB to save it’s life
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions
Jeff Fuller=Roy Williams 2.0
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
lol sorry bro
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
no… Roy Williams was a top 5 pick, Fuller will never carry the baggage of failed expectations. He’s going to help some team though, he’s a legit red zone threat and a lot cheaper than Williams
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
bad hands just like him
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Fuller had a handfull of drops in the game
And Mayock talked about his bad hands all week. Like Chia said, he’s Roy Williams 2.0
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what's that say about you if you let RW 2.0 beat you?
by somebodyquiet on Feb 1, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it says much.
With Fuller, it is not a issue of skill. He just doesn’t have reliability. He has the skill to beat CB’s, he’s just more likely to drop the ball.
Beyond just the drops...
I’ve been saying for awhile that Jeff Fuller is a dead-on Roy Williams clone. And I don’t mean that in a disparaging way. Fuller has the very same height, build and stature. He even gets in and out of his cuts the same way Williams does. It’s pretty uncanny.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
He's Roy E Williams in every way shape or form
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Josh Norman. Over 6'.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
i like norman
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
DeCastro
If DeCastro is gone I’m all for drafting Jenkins.
by It's Our Deztiny88 on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM CST reply actions
Getting expelled for marajuana? Anyone caught using marajuana is a lifelong problem.
He may do good one or two or maybe three years but he’ll recidivate. Maybe the pressure will get to him, whether familial or professional, and he’ll think about escaping with the ganja. I’m not a pessimist, just a realist. Go with a safer pick who will instantly have a greater impact on the team – offensive line or defensive line. A terrific corner is limiting.
Really?
Anyone caught using marajuana is a lifelong problem.
That is ridiculous. Its not meth. If I may use myself as an example. I smoked weed all day everyday from about age 18-21. Got into a fight that resulted in probation. Had to take drug tests, so I quit cold turkey and it never bothered me once.
Im not saying that its that easy for Jenkins, but weed is not a lifelong battle. If you dont wanna do it, you can stop anytime.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol, exactly.
I smoked-out all the time from about 17-21, then I simply quit and haven’t smoked weed nor had an urge to smoke since (I’m 34 now).
Now crack, that’s a different thing………j/k
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
yup pretty bad
there preacher – are you sure your kid does not smoke it ?
I smoked for over 15 years drpped it the day my son was born
an I tried a lot worse things than pot
all it takes is a little will power
get aclue
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
my issue with Jenkins is mostly size related
I’m looking for big corners, it’s not a hard and fast rule, but Sensabaugh is the biggest guy in our secondary and he’s not very physical. If I recall, Sensabaugh was really helping shut down Calvin Johnson before Sensi got hurt, so that kind of suggests Dallas has a real size problem in the secondary… not to mention Newman getting burned
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Newman wasn't discriminatory....
….he enjoyed getting beat by tall (Calvin Johnson) and small (Andre Roberts) all the same.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Gimmie Kirkpatrick over Janoris Jenkins
…and that is no slight to Jenkins, but all things equal, I want a cornerback with some size. The league’s receivers aren’t getting smaller, they are getting bigger, faster, quicker, taller, stronger, et cetera.
Bunting alluded to the fact that Jenkins may suffer from some of what I call “Mark McMillianitis.” That being reference to the former 5’7" Eagle defensive back who was always around his man and the ball, but just could never manage to make a play on the ball.
We already have a depth chart full of relatively small CBs, and I see no need to add another one.
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Dude...
Jenkins already played against the NFL’s top Receivers at Florida… AJ Green(4/42), Julio Jones(6/19), and Ashlon Jeffery(6/53) Scouts say: “Janoris Jenkins is the most talented CB prospect I have ever viewed. He is as close to Darrelle Revis as one can get. His ability to mirror receivers and cut off their routes, deflect the ball, and beat the receiver to the ball make him a shut down CB. Though on the short side he is very muscular and powerful. This power allows him to alter WR’s routes in the red zone and make up for his height. He is very solid against the run.”
RexP
Jenkins showed up in big games against top competition
its one reason why I like him
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Well I actually call that the Scandrick Syndrome
But it’s not because he’s small, he’s just dumb.
Let me be the scouting director AND the GM
Somebody quick,
name all the good 6’3" corners in the league. GO!
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2012 2:12 PM CST reply actions
antoniocromartie&that6'4cornerontheseahawks!.....
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by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cromartie is 6'2"
I think Brandon Browner may be a legit 6’4" but thats about it. I think we could find a longer list of good 5’10" corners.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Quick...
Someone tell Car Shelton that Kirkpatrick is 6’2"!
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Haha
Everyone keeps sayin 6’3". I guess we will find out at the combine.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Look at what he's done against AJ Green, Alshon Jeffrey, Julio Jones
We are looking too much into his height.
Question
Which CB similar to Janoris Jenkins has success as star in NFL? I would like to know if someone with his size is really good corner in NFL now…
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Not a dead-on comparison...
…but when I watch Jenkins he reminds me a lot of Chris Houston. I’m not saying he’ll be better or worse, I’m just saying that’s who he reminds me of in terms of build, height, et cetera.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
what I know about Houston its just he was bust in Atlanta and is now playing solid football for Lions
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
actually there's a lot of 5'9 corners
CBs are often short because the premium ulimately is on speed. Historically, Darrell Green was like 5’9; is Scandrick really taller than 5’10? Or Jenkins? Every CB we have except Ball is 5’10, and probably fudging the numbers up
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
is joe haden much taller or is he similar to Jenkins?
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Different players, different size
Joe Haden is 5’11" btw.
Two forks in my eye > Watching an Aubrey Huff at-bat in '11
Aaron Glenn is 5ft9 and he was a good corner for a long time.
He also happened to be a smart player and got real crafty at the end of his career when he lost a step.
Bad argument, but just to play along...
Nnamdi Asomugha is 6’2" (same height Kirkpatrick will likely measure out). Last year’s 1st rounder Jimmy Smith is 6’2". Troubled but talented Vikings corner Chris Cook is 6’2". Former Philly Eagle, Bobby Taylor played 10 years in the NFL at 6’3". The Seahawks starting cornerbacks (Richard Sherman and Browner are 6’3" and 6’4"). Dolphins starting corner Sean Smith is 6’3".
And before the kneejerk retort of “meh, but how many of those guys are good?” Shall we go down the list of all the horrible 5’9" and 5’10" corners?
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Brent Grimes is 5-10 and I like this CB a lot
is there any chance Jenkins could be good just like Grimes?
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Height is only a measurable.
Look at Victor Cruz, dude is tiny but he has the ball skills to attack at the highest point. If Jenkins displays those kind of ball skills he will be a difference maker, period.
I’m still on the Upshaw/Ingram train of thought though.
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Not exactly...
Cruz was 5’11.5" and 206 pounds at his proday. Not “tiny” by any means.
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To clear any misconceptions...
I’m not a fan of Janoris Jenkins… personally if it was me I would never let him play a snap as a Cowboy. It’s not me… I’m not making this pick. If I had a choice I would chose someone else but he’s the best out there and if he falls to 14… the choice is simple if you want a shutdown corner. If Jenkins has cleaned up his act, I’m all for it.
RexP
he's really growing on me
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Good. Let us know when he reaches 6 foot
Just kidding. The height thing is maybe a little overrated. If a taller guy is less agile, he gives up any advantage his height gave him by being further from the receiver. So it’s only in cases like fades or jump balls in the endzone or sidelines that this will be a factor. So I doubt it’s quite as big a problem as a guy who is a little slower or a little less explosive.
Don't believe everything you think.
lol
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
has Jenkins had any problems since he was expelled?
if not then why not? people do make mistakes. im sure all of us have something but our bosses took a shot on us. i know we dont make millions but if there isnt a big list of things and its just once, id take him…… only if DeCastro is gone though
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by yehti on Jan 31, 2012 5:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
nothing that I found
I watched a video today where he said he wasn’t a bad kid and just made some mistakes
if they want a corner, this may be the guy
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
and thats what he is/was a kid. like every other 18-22 yr old
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by yehti on Jan 31, 2012 5:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
honestly liking jenkins more then kirkpatrick right now
the only things kirkpatrick has on jenkins is size and “character”… now that the second one is questionable ill take jenkins if their both available at 14
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I didn't read this before I wrote my latest article (which I don't think is up yet).
But I think you are right, Chia. The best DB available when we pick will be the target. The only other way I think the team would go would be DeCastro, but I feel pretty certain that the first three or four picks will be DBs and some interior O line. I am like you, I am taking RR and JJ at their word for now.
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Tom
I agree the team will go DB and Interior OL in this draft, but I have a few questions for you:
1) Does DB mean corner or safety in your opinion? What if Barron (a safety) is the BPA at pick 14 with DeCastro, Jenkins, Kirkpatrick, and Claibourne gone? Do the Boys take Barron or do they trade down?
2) What if the Boys have their pick of DeCastro, Barron, and Jenkins at 14, where do you think they go? Best G, S, or CB? What would you do?
3) As a by product of the two questions above, what if DeCastro is gone, and both Jenkins and Barron are on the board still?
The reason I bring up Barron, safety is also a black hole for us. By all accounts, Barron is the best safety in this class: he can takle, hit, be a ball hawk, and cover. Dallas hasn’t had a dynamic safety for a while.
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by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
1) trade back no way do u take Barron @14
2)DeCastro
3)trade back and take Jenkins around 20
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I am gonna be a sucker here
I am taking the Cowboys word yet again, I am sure we will get burned on it lol
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
if the dude can challenge the receiver and make a play on the ball, I'm all for it.
I am so tired of watching Newman 15 yards on the balls. We need ball hawking corners who want to compete.
Is this overkill?
Jenkins, CB, North Alabama in 1st
Boykins, CB, Georgia in 2nd
Oh, my bad.
My bad?!
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if we take Jenkins
I dont think we need to double dip on CB until the later rounds
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
What do you guys think of this
Sign Courtland Finnegan in FA and switch him to FS: He hits like SS, can cover receivers in man coverage (68 career passes defensed), and has recorded 14 INTs since 2006. In the 93 games he’s played, he’s registered 473 tackles (avgs 78/season).
In the draft:
RD1: Janoris Jenkins
RD2: Chase Minnifield or Brandon Boykin
Thus our secodary would be
CB1: Mike Jenkins
CB2: Janoris Jenkins
CB3: Scandrick/Minnifield/Boykin
CB4: Scanrdrick/Minnifield/Boykin
FS: Courtland Finnegan
SS: Gerald Sensebaugh-moves back to playing his natuarl SS position.
Just a thought.
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by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Wow, we do need some secondary help, but jeesh we have OTHER needs too. Way overkill. I could see 2 corners picked throughout the 7 rounds, 1 in the 1st 2rds and 1 in rd 3-7 maybe. but not our 1st and 2nd rd selections. Gotta spread the love around some.
Also why would u pay top corner money for a FS??? Put a band-aid on it for now and move to other pressing needs imo.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Jenkins is too small
I realize that this is a subjective opinion to have but I just don’t think taking a corner that small that high in the first round is worth it. I think if a team is going to take a DB with a top 25 pick the guy needs to be the complete package, and I just don’t think Jenkins or any other DB in this years draft is or ever will be. I hate to beat a dead horse but when I think of the top corners in the league as of right now the vast majority seem to be on the bigger side, that is 5’11 and bigger. While he may match up quite well with the eagles receivers I’m afraid he’ll have no chance against the bigger WRs of the league.
IMO
not at 14…trade back and take him or Poe, but neither at 14
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this is how it goes
RD 1 – Decastro
RD 2 – Minnifield
It’s more important for us to sure up the oline… Decastro and Tyron Smith make a solid young side, plus free at RT and we are down to 2 OL positions to fill.. whether that is through FA or our own roster, or later in the draft… we’ll have to see
Minnifield is a player… i’d be ok with jenkins, scandrick, minnifield for a year whilst adding decastro to the line… after rd 2, i’m looking at OLB, ILB and S in no special order, bpa
that is all
see this is why I hate trading down
everyone talks about and says “oh don’t take him at 14, just trade down and take him later”
I ask why risk that? you trade down, first you have to find someone willing to trade up, second they will probably get over on Jerry anyway, third what happens if the guy you traded down for is gone, you are screwed
I am so tired of talking about trading down
Janoris Jenkins is worthy of the 14th overall draft selection
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If not for the pot
I would be fine with him at 14, but if he cant stay away from it at the most important time of his young life, can you trust him…….
So Im in the “at 14 get a sure fire RKG” if you want to trade down and risk it, the risk is less if you can pick up some addtional pick or player……
and for the record, Im tired of folks complaining about talking about any subject at this point in the off season, what else is there to do ?
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Indecision, may or may not be my problem
I dunno Chia.
I’m starting to ponder the possibility of trading down a few spots – let’s say 18 just to pull a number out – then packaging our 2nd and the extra pick to move back into the 1st.
Let’s say that nabs us Janoris Jenkins and Mark Barron, or Jenkins and Poe, or so on and so forth. Getting some combination of two of those three would be more than worth the risk, I think.
by TheBlueBaron on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't really matter anymore if Jerry loves him
Garrett has to love him too and something tells me this kid is not Garrett’s RKG…..I think we pass on Jenkins because he’s a red flag risk.
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If both Kirkpatrick and Jenkins are available though
I think there’s no way Jerry passes on Dre. Al Davis has seized control of his mind already.
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oh man you gotta laugh at walter football
in their new mock
we get
1-DeCastro
2-Janoris Jenkins
3- Tank Carder
no way we land DeCastro and Jenkins that would be sick
but Tank Carder? yeah no thanks
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Ya.... no way J. Jenkins makes it past the Bengals
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It's a really tough call on who to pick
I really want DeCastro because I am sick of Romo running for his life and getting injured almost every year. But on the other hand RR needs talent to work with, he is a football coach not a miracle worker. In order for RR defense to work he needs a corner that can shut down half the field.
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Chase Minnifield is your man in the second round
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by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he will be long gone
by the number 45 pick
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I don't think we can afford to miss on this pick
drafting a guard here doesn’t thrill me but if he is a starter right away then this is better than taking a flyer on some damn Pacman clone.
yep, whoever we select has to be clean and safe
and neither Jenkins or Kirkpatrick qualify.
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Jenkins
Why does everyone think that Jenkins is a liability because he got busted with weed. It’s pot, not heroine. He made a bad decision. I think Bowden set him straight. Do any of you remember a guy with character issues named Michael Irvin. I don’t hear any smack about him.
He made a bad decision
Because in the most important time in his young life, he could not stay away from it……It isnt any worse than booze (so i have heard) but it is tested for and is illegal…..and he could not stay away. That is the problem……
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+1
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I'll go Namath on y'all....
I guarantee Dallas will not pick DeCastro at 14.
It will be a db.
Not quibbling about DeCastro’s future greatness, just seeing that the more pressing need is in secondary and defensive overall.
A quality guard can be obtained in later rounds.
This draft is about defense. Period.
"Triumph of the uncluttered mind" - Blaine Nye on Clint Longley, 1974
quality guard later in the draft?
we’re trying to replace Bill Nagy (7th rounder) and Arkin (4th rounder) here. Dallas’ interior offensive line reminds me of a wolf whose teeth have fallen out — helpless, floundered capacity
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Cecil, I feel we will go D-Line or DB first, guards can be found later.
I posted an interesting article on Draft position success rates by position and round in the Fan Shot area and it shows that guards can be found later in the draft fairly consistently without as much drop off as some other positions, like D-line and DB.
I like Brandon Brooks from Miami Ohio
he just looks like a beast
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 3, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I've noticed the Jenkins talk... I guess it might be Mike and Janor or something if we get him
I’m not too high on the CB talk because that’s what we heard all last year and we didn’t draft one until the 5th round. Maybe we draft 2 early this year, but I think there’s a better opportunioty to get a great character guy at DE in the 1st. Picking between a Dre Kirkpatrick and a Janoris Jenkins is not that appealing.
If you get past the character stuff Jenkins is great but he is short, Dre is the real deal and has the height. When are CB’s going to get bigger to defend the Dez and Hakeem’s of this world? If I had to pick one, I’d pick Dre, he has more recent issues though.
Dallas trades up & drafts Claiborne
Irvin/pass rusher 2nd round /J.Hosley CB 3rd round/Center,Guard or TE 3rd-7th)
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
how are they going to have 2nd and 3rd round picks if they trade up
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 5, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
NO NEED TO TRADE UP OR BACK......USE THE GIANTS MODEL AND DO THIS.....
FREE AGENCY: Jerrah should sign Carl Nicks (OG), Mario Willliams (DE) or Calais Campbell (DE), and Paul Soliai (NT). With Carl Nicks on the OL and Mario or Calais and Paul added to our DL, we’d SEE a drastic improvement to our PASS RUSH and RUN DEFENSE!!! Yes, we could fit these FA signings into our current Salary Cap…..and they’re ALL young guys….LOL!!!
NFL DRAFT: Dallas should draft a good man-cover CB (i.e. Janoris Jenkins to compete with our practice squad CB Mario Butler), a backup stud RB like Terrance Ganaway (6’1" 241lbs/3rd & short/goal-line battering ram), and the Center from Wisconsin in the DRAFT and pay them at the Rookie Pay Scale rate. NOTE: RB Terrance Ganaway is the ‘animal’ that played with Robert Griffin (Heisman Winner) at Baylor and gained 1,547yds and scored 21 TDs this year alone!!!! If Demarco goes down again this year, this BEAST could pickup the running load without missing a beat!!!
With an improved Pass Rush, these 1st year CBs and our current group of (young but experienced) CBs would drastically improve our secondary. They’d be picking off passes left and right from our improved Pass Rush. With an improved RUN DEFENSE, our Inside LB’ers (with super fast Bruce Carter and Sean Lee) and outside LB’ers would be policing up any RB’s that tried to go inside or bounce outside because of (big-boy) Paul Soliai at NG and either (monster) Calais or Mario at DE. You’d also wouldn’t be seeing Brandon Jacobs (or any RB) gnashing us for 4-6yds runs on 1st down or “making it look easy” on 3rd&short/1st &goalline or have to hear him or Justin Tack talking trash about our WEAK ( middle) Defensive anymore.
Cowboys Offense: Drafting Terrance Ganaway would make HIM a terror on 3rd&short and 1st& goal-line. Ganaway running behind Carl Nicks and Doug Free would be a gorgeous sight to see for Cowboy fans world-wide. Demarco and Ganaway would be our OWN (Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs) for years to come!!! And did I mention that Romo would have even bigger success with JG’s play-action passing plays.
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Great article Chia. As usual.
I still want DeCastro. :)
But backup plans are good. And you sold Jenkins 2.0 very well.
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