Rob Ryan: "I’m only looking at DBs. Nothing else. DBs."
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 9:01 AM CST
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PrintOne of the challenges of keeping up with the draft these days is that there are so many sources of information, it's hard to keep track of what's going on.
And some of the most interesting nuggets of information reach us via sources that are a little outside of the established media mainstream: our friend JimmyK from BloggingTheBEast alerted us (exclusively) to three prospects the Cowboys had talked to at the Senior Bowl and we found out via a video posted on YouTube by dcfanatic that Jerry Jones thinks the "defensive front is one of the strengths of our team".
And today we add another source: Alex Dunlap writes a weekly column for the Austin Chronicle and also attended the Senior Bowl practices, from where he filed a lengthy report, with this little nugget buried somewhere in the middle:
We spoke with Dallas Cowboys Defensive Coordinator Rob Ryan about their needs in the 2012 draft, and his sentiment was very clear. "I’m only looking at DBs. Nothing else. DBs." It is evident that the Cowboys’ defensive backfield has become a major liability. We will not be seeing a repeat of the 2011 season in 2012, when 10 of 11 defensive starters returned for the Cowboys.
It's not exactly a secret that the Cowboys need help in the secondary. Many draftniks are on record saying the Cowboys could draft up to three defensive backs in a move that would echo last year's draft in which the Cowboys picked three offensive linemen.
But for the Cowboys to be this open about their strategy is a little unusual. Jerry Jones appears to be ruling out a significant upgrade for the defensive front, Rob Ryan is looking for secondary help. At least they both appear to be thinking in the same direction.
Unless it's all subterfuge, of course.
The Cowboys could just as easily be planning to upgrade their pass rush, and are trying to throw other teams off their scent. Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News yesterday provided the key arguments for why the Cowboys should go for pass rushers:
Q: In today's NFL, is it more important to have a premier pass rusher or a 'shutdown' corner?
Gosselin: Pass rusher. The 1985 Chicago Bears and 1986 New York Giants won Super Bowls and most football observers can't even name their starting corners. But you can name the Hall of Fame linebackers and pass rushers. They won with their front sevens. If you can build a ferocious pass rusher, you can get by with average corners. If you don't have a rush, you need great cornerback play. The Giants are in the Super Bowl this week. They finished third in the NFL in sacks but 29th in pass defense. If you don't have pass rushers, find them. If you can't find them, find corners.
Q: Is it better for the Cowboys to draft a CB or find one in free agency?
Gosselin: I wouldn't be adverse to drafting two corners and signing another in free agency. In an era where three and four wide receiver sets are commonplace, you can never have enough coverage players.
In times likes these it's best to make like Fox Mulder: "Trust No One."
Where do you stand, a premier pass rusher or a premier corner?
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yes, rusher but...
after a guard then like RRyan said: DB,DB,DB,DB,DB,DB,…
yeah, Cowboys in SB Feb 2013!!!
May The Force Be With the 'Boys! Amen!
I believe a team
Needs press cover corners and super fast ball hawking safties.
The reasoning is most if not all teams have their QB throw 2 and 3 step drops and even the best pass rush can’t get there soon enough unless the corners are in press coverage and slowing down their release off the line of scrimmage and throwing off the timming based quick releases.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
by CoachGary on Jan 31, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
this is the biggest selling point for me in going secondary
A good Pass rush minimizes the amount of time that the Secondary has to cover, but a Good Secondary Maximizes the amount of time that the pass rush has to get there….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Coach you must appreciate Jenkins skills then.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
greened on that coach yep ! good point -REC
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Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Agree Coach, This is why I am not surprised with what RR said, he does love his DB's.
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I agree wholeheartedly
but this really shouldn’t be news to anyone. In all honesty, the problem is not identifying the need, it’s FILLING it.
Who are the press corners available to the Boys? Draft – Claiborn and Jenkins. One is probably out of reach and the other is a character concern. FA – Finnegan, Porter maybe. One will cost more than Newman and the other is an injury risk.
Who are the ball hawking safeties? Draft – possibly Markelle Martin. FA – Laron Landry?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 1, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
you mean the type of talent the Jets have in the secondary?
Needs press cover corners and super fast ball hawking safties.
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i’ve never seen a CB that could shut down a WR for very long. in todays NFL if your pass rush doesnt reach the QN in few seconds 90% of the WRs can beat any secondary. sure its great to have DBs that can play press & cover well but theres not many Revis islands in the NFL.
i’d also point out the Giants own the Jets & until the Jets get some real pass rushers those great CBs/Secondary doesn’t stop the better QBs.
The reasoning is most if not all teams have their QB throw 2 and 3 step drops and even the best pass rush can’t get there soon enough.
the reason were seening more 3 step drops is bc the pressure created up front & anytime you can force the QB to throw it before he’s ready the chances of turnovers, incomplete passes & points created on defense.
Brady, Eli, Drew or Rodgers will burn the all madden secondary unless theres a pass rush to create mistakes.
imo the games won in the trenches & more on the defensive side of the line bc no matter how great an the OL the DL/pass rushers will win that battle more times then not. OL need to be lucky EVERY snap & the DL/pass rush only needs to get lucky a few times to take over a game.
1) Great DL/Front 7 (Must Have Great OLBs/ILBs in 3-4) (having DE/NT with pass rush ability isnt a 15 yard penalty)
2) Franchise QB (thank you Romo)
3) Average – Above Average OL (Must Have Great Tackles & a Smart Center)
4) CB/WR/TE/RB/Safety
if you dont have 1), 2) or 3) fixed then dont expect 4) to be make much of a difference. i’d also add Jerry.Garrett & Rob need to get either OL or front 7 on defense fixed 100% before trying to patch other holes in the dam.
i can guarentee you DWare, Tuck, Halti Nagati, Wilfork are game planned wayyyy more then Revis, Nnamdi or Bailey ever was. its easy for a WR to run those guys out of play but guys who are in position to knock the QB around are the $, bling, cream of the crop & what got the Gaints (along with Eli/Cruz)
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
the good news
is that, with DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Upshaw and Ingram, we have an outstanding chance of getting a top 15 guy who fills a glaring need. I guess that’s the silver lining of having multiple glaring needs.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Supremely good news
The chances of us finding need and value at 14 is certainly high. I’m not usually a fan of trading back, but if a few of those guys are available and pretty evenly rated on our board we could probably bait San Diego into trading up for Decastro and maybe get their 18 and 49, still I’d rather stay at 14 but if we moved down and managed to hit on three picks in the first 50 or even 60, I’d be ok with that.
They're probably not going to give up a 2nd to move up four spots
They may give up their 3rd (81), though. We could package that third and our 2nd to move up and get a late first round pick.
by inwittenitrust on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
No trades down please. We'll miss the ones we really want.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
That's how I feel as well
I hate watching them continually trade back until they get no one of value.
Don't believe everything you think.
Ingram is... Upshaw could push the top 15.
F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...
Ingram
Surely you aren’t referring to Melvin Ingram. If you are, then you didn’t watch the Senior Bowl.
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is that in sarcasm font?
i wouldnt put much stock in the senior bowl or in the combine but senior bowl practice is worth watching. the tape doesn’t lie & when you have 2, 3 or 4 years worth to watch of a player it will give you more info then any thing were gonna see until the regular season starts.
Ingram has a better burst then Upshaw & he showed off during the week of senior bowl practice playing with his hand in the dirt & standing up so his stock went imo but i just wonder how high this kids ceiling really is. i question his ability to learn complicated schemes & once his job isnt just going after the QB how good will he be. i dont see those same questions about Upshaw.
Upshaw has a high football IQ & while his burst isn’t like Ingrams its pretty good. what i did like in Upshaw was how he set OL up with his brute strength (very smart player). i think Upshaw is a top 15 talent but his football IQ is outstanding
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I'm torn
I’d be good with either really. I’m not too sold on many of the 1st round rushers after Ingram and Coples and I got a feeling the combine will propel them both into top 10 range, if they aren’t already there. If Dre K or Jenkins is available, I’d lean towards taking either of them and targeting V. Curry in the 2nd.
agreed
I know, in a pragmatic sense, that it is still too early to get worked up about specific guys, since the combine and individual workouts will shift the board around quite a bit.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
great sig man pretty funny!
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Hate trade downs but.....
if you can move down 6-7 spots and get a 3rd you could use that third to trade up higher in the second round. Then you should be able to snag a pass rusher and a very good cb. Someone out of this class will become a very good safety. We need to pick that guy.
I think Nick Perry is going to rise at the combine. I think you will see him mentioned with Upshaw and Ingram. However I don’t want just an allstar combine performer. Scouting staff needs to find football players. Perry though is legit.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
What about Poe?
If we could flip our 14 and 2nd for two 20ish picks, Poe and Barron. Then pick up some feisty 6’ corners in later rounds and play press coverage all year.
You know the college guys better than I, so what do you think?
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
barron is a strong safety
We have strong safeties comin out of our ears, while Barron is a good safety, he’s not a FS.
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sensabaugh is our current FS.
Ball is second in line. We could use Barron. I understand the want to switch Sensabaugh back to SS, though.
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what about the tall link FS from Boise ST?
he played some CB but i have no clue about his ballskills. if he cant track the ball then no need to have him playing FS.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Coty I would love Poe. I think that would be a bit much to give up for Barron.
We should be able to land 2 good cb’s in this draft.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Who wouldnt love Poe.
He is just what we need. It is a very deep draft this year with plenty of value in the next few rounds so by all means go for this guy
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
i vote both.....
grab Mario Williams and Cortland Finnigan via FA(should be able to get both for ~15 million
Draft Coples, Gilmore, Hosley, and 1-2 Late round (5-7)O-line
That gives you this Line up on Defense
Front 3- Couples, Ratliff, Williams
Middle 4- Ware-Lee, Carter, Butler
Back 4- CB’s Jenkins, Finnigan, SensaBaugh, Scandrick(you can’t tell the kid wouldn’t be an Awesome FS)
Hosley and Gilmore are your #3 and #4 CB’s
the oldest (starting)players on the Defense would be Ware(30) Ratliff(31) Sensabaugh(29)…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 AM CST reply actions
You will have to trade up for Coples.
If you have to give up a second it wouldn’t be worth it. We have too many holes.
On another note I wouldn’t mind drafting Brooks in the second depending on how free agency fell. He could be the pile driving guard we need if we don’t get Nicks.
I think Nicks and Terrell Thomas are the two key guys in free agency.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
My problem with Scandrick at FS is his height
A 5’9 corner isn’t going to match up well against Rob Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham on seam routes. And in run support? No thanks.
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's one of my problems with drafting Jenkins, he's only 5'9".
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Is he's body going to hold up in run support?
5’9 190? he’s gonna have to bulk up a little.
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Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
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1st time Hynoski comes around the coner blocking for Jacobs..........
there’ll be nothing but a greasy spot left.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Megatron wouldn’t even have to jump the next time he plays us.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
The only man who can slow down Megatron
Is matthew stafford
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and Gerald Sensabaugh
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Well he can't cover the te and megatron...
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 9:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
actually Scandrick is a Solid 5-10(yeah I know)
which Is why Sensabaugh would be the “TE cover guy” (at 6-0 214 is big enough to Cover TE)
As far as run support….Scandrick is one of Dallas’s best Tacklers….dude would be beastly in run support…
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
He's 5'8 in head coach 09, 5'9 in madden.
So I don’t know how solid that 5’10 is. Wrap up all you want, I could run with 190 on my back.
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Combine Measurements
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5-10
Weight: 192
40 Yrd Dash: 4.32
20 Yrd Dash: 2.49
10 Yrd Dash: 1.46
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 10’05"
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill: 6.83
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Wow. His vertical is terrible.
No wonder he doesn’t compete for jump balls. He might as well be 5’2 when he’s jumping against Megatron, Nicks…
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The combine people screwed up the way they measured verticals in 2008.
If you look at 2008 prospects you’ll notice they all have low verticals at the combine and improved by roughly 4-5 inches on their pro days. It was acknowledged that the combine screwed up the measurements by about 5 inches.
Case in point, Scandrick measured 33 1/2 at the combine but jumped 38 1/2 at his pro day. Scandrick’s vertical is fine.
Actually,
He hacked into the “fantasy” partition of OCCs backup server. I can only imagine how many photos of cheerleading cyborgs he found in the process…
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You could get lost in there and never make it out
like The Matrix…
Don't believe everything you think.
Picture yourself in a boat on a river with tangerine trees and marmelade skies. Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly: a girl with kaleidoscope eyes!
Cellophane flowers of yellow and green towering over your head. Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes and she’s gone.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
He should play free safety
6’1 probably runs a 4.5. His back pedal is sloppy. Plus They played mainly zone at South Carolina
Ok, let's discuss something
the position of free safety is NOT the position of CB. They are similar but it’s like comparing a guard to a tackle.
Some players can make the transition but that’s based more on their style of play than it is how tall or heavy they are. Can anyone see Scandrick or Newman like they see Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins. How about Reed or Weddle or Landry.
Those guys play FS because the can READ a QB, can anticipate a run vs. pass play, etc. CBs cover receivers, cover areas or blitz.
They are 2 different positions and fans would be best served not trying to convince themselves that every 6’1 or taller corner can make the move (AOA, Alan Ball, etc.).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 31, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
And I agree TJ
the way I Look at it, is I look for CB’s that excel in Zone Coverage. Zone Coverage closely resembles the responsibility of a FS…
Not saying that it is a perfect match but it is a good starting point…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
we need to draft CBs, DBs, Safeties that have ballskills
people need to quit trying to convince themselves everyone 5’10 – 6’2 DB can play CB in the NFL. just like the people that wanted Prince Amukuara in the 1st round & the dude doesn’t have a lick of ballskills.
i want CB/DBs that have ballskills so we atleast have a chance for a turnover when the QB is a off a little.
the jenkins kid in the draft looks great but being compared to pac man did it in for me. i think Gimlore & Hosley would be great addition
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Get that burial plot for Romo
while you are at it
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 31, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
That's the rub. We can't neglect Tony. The OL has to be solid or we won't win more than 6 games if Tony ends up on IR.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I love how you always say that's the rub.
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by willyoubemycharizard on Jan 31, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
You like "that's the rub", or that their rub is Romo on IR?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
That’s the rub :p
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
You'd have to be creative with their contarcts and try to make them salary cap friendly, but they would be a plus.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
i love your Gilmore-Hosley picks at CB
Hosley might be the biggest ballhawk i’ve ever seen. he might lack a couple of inches but his athletic ability makes up for any flaws. that kids going to be a probowler & the answer to covering Cruz or one of Phillys midgets in the slot. he also returns punts & was a leader in the secondary at VT
whoever gets to draft that kid wont be sorry.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I haven't really seen Hosley play just a few highlights on youtube
do u think Jerome could turn him into a very good/shutdown type of db within a few yrs? This secondary desperately needs someone like that, i would even settle for avg play but eh who am i kidding i want good/great db players no more JAGs.
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I couldn't help but notice
that in the picture above not only are there no CB’s but look at who is paying attention to RR and who’s not. both Brooking and Ware are and the 2 going out the door aren’t. :)
Brooking is staying?!
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by CotySaxman on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure, I havent heard otherwise, he’ll probably be gone but for diminishing skills rather than not paying attention to his coach.
that picture is saying a lot, think of all the times players were out of position or missed assignments. this team needs on overhaul and needs to get smart players dedicated to game study and knowing their playbook.
think of all the times players were out of position or missed assignments. this team needs on overhaul and needs to get smart players dedicated to game study and knowing their playbook.
You do realize the defense was brand new and the players barely had an off season.
MacGruber!
all the more reason to be paying attention
when the coach of said defense is talking…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
It isn't about paying attention to defensive coaches
If you have to think about what you are doing you are already half a step behind.
When you don’t have to think and play on instinct defenses work much much better. In other words… The longer you are playing in a scheme and the more practice you have in it the better you will be. (well to a point anyway)
For the sake of discussion, it could be there were three possibilities the defense didn’t play well -
1-too much of the defense was installed and players didn’t play instinctively or were out of position
2-The defense was dumbed down due to a lack of familiarity
3-Players were Too old/Not talented enough/Not the right player for the scheme
I think it is likely all three were happening at times but to blame all the problems on number three seems unreasonable.
MacGruber!
That doesn't fly in week 16.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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what if you knew what to do
but your body is just too slow to react? I think we can get younger, cheaper and better
by somebodyquiet on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think that Brooking and James are gone
and Spencer will find his way back.
And I think the perspective is a little misleading.
It looks to me like Spencer is looking at Rob, just standing a little further away from Ware.
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Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Brooking sounded like he wanted to play 1 more season while on NFL Nework last week
he could still be a valuable backup if something happened to one of the starters & i’m sure he wouldn’t cos much $. great insurance policy untess they have some other vet targeted but noway can they roll with Lee (unproven Carter) & some dude off the practice squad. i can guarentee some vet will be signed for insurance bc ILB is just to important to throw someone whos clueless out there
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Drafting a gaggle of DBs is the right idea, D backfield is our softest spot.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
There is no way the Cowboys are only looking at DBs in the draft
Gotta be looking at some DBs in FA
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While I agree with pass rush > secondary play...
anybody that answers a question about “today’s NFL,” and then leads with examples of teams from 25 years ago loses me.
Gosselin has forgotten more football than I’ve known, but whiskey tango foxtrot
Anyways, there’s no way that the Cowboys are only looking at DBs. If they are ignoring the front seven, they will be further pushing me away from the optimist side.
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by KD Drummond on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No one else besides Ware can sack the QB consistently
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Maybe the "plan"
Heavy Oline 2011
Heavy DB 2012
Heavy D Line 2013
this is the problem when you either neglict to pick players (or miss on the players taken) every year or every other year at these diff groups, you are always playing catch up
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Indecision, may or may not be my problem
I can see that being the plan but I cant say that I like that being the plan either.
I’d rather see us mix up this years and next years with the Dline and secondary weighing slightly heavier on the DBs due to depth in this draft.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Everything is based on how the draft unfolds
If they have Dlinemen rated when the pick is up, they’ll consider taking a d-lineman. I wouldn’t listen to Rob Ryan about draft priorities. He’s probably blowing smoke.
Who specifically in the front 7 do you think needs to be upgraded?
And, with whom would they be upgraded? I think that only Spears played poorly in our front 7 last year. I’d like to see them establish a passing down/running down rotation, with Butler replacing Spencer on obvious passing downs, and making sure that Lissemore, Hatcher, and Ratliff are the 3 down on those plays. For running downs, we want Spencer, Coleman, and Brent in the game. A solid player to give Ware some rest would be nice, too. But I don’t think we need any major upgrades to the front 7, just 2 solid backups to replace Spears and give Ware some rest.
Obviously I expect that Carter and Lee will be your starters at MLB. We might want to look at a 3rd starting quality player there, too.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
In regards to the latter half of your comment,
I think that Lemon could be Ware’s backup on those plays and Albright looked to be the number 3 guy for our MLBing crew. We’ve got some young talented guys that were shooting for the roster late last preseason. We also have the other Butler (CB) who should be brought up to help with that area. Now of all the guys to see nthis offseason Lemon would be the one I have most questions about pretty big shoes to fill obviously but he seemed to do very well in the preseason and hopefully a year on the PS has helped him and he will be able to take that spot over on our roster.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
This is ther part none of us know
How they have self-scouted their roster, There may be some players ready to take the next step we don’t know much about.
Don't believe everything you think.
actually C_A
I think that Lemon could be Ware’s backup on those plays and Albright looked to be the number 3 guy for our MLBing crew
you need to reverse those names….
Lemon is strictly a ILB while Albright is an OLB
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Doh! I have the worst memory ever haha. Thanks for the correction Ironman.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
np...
though in your Defense they did use Albright as a ILB in some situations…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well thanks for that I had kinda thought so.
But I do remember him being talked about now with Butler and playing outside too.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks from me, too.
This is not the first time I have seen Lemon and Albright reversed like that. I was starting to wonder if I had missed something.
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This is a great question!
Look, every year it’s the same: we pretend that all 7 draft picks are going to beat out our current starters at 7 positions. Get real! Our front 7 could get better, sure. But nobody we draft (especially outside the 1st 2 rounds) is guaranteed to even start next year, much less to provide a real improvement over guys like Spencer or Lissemore.
Meanwhile—there is NO WAY that Newman, Ball, or Walker are on the field next year, which means we NEED to find THREE bodies who can play NOW! I don’t know why anybody in their right mind thinks that these needs are comparable. Trying to find another elite guy to get more than 6 sacks opposite Ware is a luxury; trying to find somebody, ANYBODY who can cover a receiver for more than 2 seconds is a necessity.
Yet and still
Newman is the best corner on the team – agreed?
Scandrick just got a 6 yr deal – agreed?
With affirmation of the above and unless there’s some freak injury, the Boys are planning on their services for quite some time. That might mean that another CB needs to be acquired, but I would rather have a veteran CB that can provide experience. Otherwise, the starting CBs for the team will have a combine 6 years of experience going into game 1.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 31, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Correction - not Newman
I meant Jenkins is the best corner.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 31, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Problem is we need 3 CB's this year.
We are replacing Newman (hopefully), Walker and Ball. A vet is fine, but we still need to draft some young guys to learn and grow.
Remember Jenkins deal is up next year. Do we want to have someone waiting to step into his role if he gets a mega deal from someone else?
I would try Spears out at NT
Have him put on some weight/muscle mass and just sit in the middle and clog it up and get a little push up the middle. Because he is just not very good as a DE, he just doesn’t have the speed to get to the QB from the b or c gaps.
by Cowick22 on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The problem is we need a LOT of push up the middle.
Rat is already good at getting a little push up the middle.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Maybe Jerry can send Lumpy on a 7 day all expense paid trip to Luby’s. Then move him to NT. He would be able to cover 2 or 3 gaps by himself with minimal movement.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
by sirjason22 on Jan 31, 2012 5:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My thing is
that maybe Rob Ryan is only looking at DB’s. For later in the draft. JG and Jerry aren’t going to let him have his choice with the 14th pick. While you want input from your DC you cant just draft guys he wants simply because there is a pretty good chance he won’t be here in a couple of years.
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by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
If the D doesn't improve alot next year...........
there’s a good chance he done in Dallas.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Exactly my sentiments as I posted below. RR needs many CBs to run his schemes.
Blitzing requires good cover guys of which he has essentially one, Jenkins. So, I can see why he’s looking for DBs.
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by AlanK on Jan 31, 2012 12:17 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
"But for the Cowboys to be this open about their strategy is a little unusual."
This is a myth, the Cowboys are often open books about their 1st round picks.
In 2009 they were completely transparent about wanting Dez Bryant and they got him. in 2010 it seemed every coach and scouting person on the team was at Tyron Smith’s workouts and they got him.
Recently the Cowboys have not put the slightest bit of camouflage on their first-round aspirations.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 AM CST reply actions
Exactly
The Cowboys have clearly indicated their top priorities are the interior OL and the secondary. Yes, I would love for them to pick up a pass rusher, but the more I read coming out of Valley Ranch, the greater the chances that the Cowboys will actually do what they say.
And your analysis of the past two years is spot-on. Dez and Tyron were clearly marked way in advance.
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
No offense BED, but in 2010 they were just as high on Earl Thomas and Mike Pouncey, only those two didn’t slip as far as Dez Bryant eventually did.
And in 2010 somebody at Valley Ranch got Matt Mosley to publish the following a week before the draft:
“I was convinced, and I led the Tyron Smith movement and I appreciate you guys supporting that. [Jason Garrett] went to USC, spent time on the campus with the kid, every mock drafter in America has Tyron Smith [going to the Cowboys].”
“What I’m telling you today, you’re the first to hear this, is that that will soon change. This could be the Cowboys trying to put down a smokescreen, saying they don’t want Tyron Smith, but after multiple conversations yesterday, I am convinced that the Cowboys don’t think there’s that much difference between, say, Castonzo, the offensive tackle and then Nate Solder, the offensive tackle out of Colorado. They think that Tyron Smith and those two tackles are right there pretty close together.”
“I guess what I’m telling you is that as of about seven o’clock last night, I’ve sort of started backing of my “Tyron Smith to the Cowboys at No. 9.”
“I think it’s time to start thinking about some of these other names, including this J.J. Watt from Wisconsin. I get the sense that the Cowboys could take him at defensive end and never look back. And they feel like he’ll be a great player in the league for the next 10-12 years.”
That’s not what I’d call an open book.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
This is one of those cases where
we expected something, it happened, so we believe that it was a straightforward process, when in reality arriving at that point took a lot more twists and turns, just ones we weren’t aware of.
Don't believe everything you think.
Someone was doing a number on Mosely
I think Jerruh was worried others were looking to trade up to get Smith; so he wanted a very thick smokescreen to reassure other teams; and Mosely was chosen as the sacrificial idiot.
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I pity any FO that bought that crap.
#demarcusvstheworld
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I mean, I'm sure they loved Watt
But their interest in Smith was so overwhelming, there really was no other choice
#demarcusvstheworld
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
actually
But their interest in Smith was so overwhelmingMarc Columbo was so bad, there really was no other choice
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh
Talk about an alignment of BPA and need!
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
This draft is ideal for us based on that philosophical approach to this draft.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
What I conclude is that when Dallas expresses an interest in a player it's not a smokescreen
The Cowboys expressed interest in Dez Bryant and Tyron Smith and they were both top-10 talents on the Cowboys board.
That does not mean that there aren’t also other players of interest that we do not know about. But the Cowboys do not smoke screen much or well. They do not have head coaches and directors of player personnel at the workouts of players they do not intend to place highly on their board.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 31, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
and we can be sure because then they had the chance to trade down and take on of those guy
but they didn’t, i guess they weren’t so close, that semi smokescreen from matt was poor though
If they are only looking at DB...
do they resign Spencer or are they looking elsewhere?
Doesnt seem to me resigning Spencer is a priority
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I want to say both sides will explore their options
But will ultimately come together for an extension to Spencer’s Cowboy career
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
I hope we let him go
I think we can do better
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We can do better at just about every position on the roster
It all comes down to cost and opportunity.
+ 100
About half the OLBs are better than Spencer—and about half are worse. Care to guess how many CBs are worse than Ball or Newman?
Sure, if Spencer costs too much money, then get someone else.
I think your under rating spencer
Half are better half are worse. Spencer is one of the best at what he does now if that is what rob thinks he needs then no way they let Spencer go. If rob feels like he can get his needs filled outside of Spencer then he goes. But saying he is in the middle of the pack is way off on your assessment. 5th in league since 2000 to present in tackle for losses doesn’t scream middle.of the pack to me.
by Sado44 on Feb 1, 2012 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
doubt it
there have been no talks at all THIS year with Spencer’s agent; not even to try and get a feel for what Spencer wanted
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 31, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
If it happens
I think it will be towards the end of the offseason
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
It will be towards the end of the offseason
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
they are going to let the market set Spencer's price
like what they did with Sensabaugh…..I could See Spencer signing a couple of one year deals, then signing a smaller extension (similar to what Sensabaugh did)
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Thats not true at all
Can’t show you proof but I know personally that there has been communication. Spencer has expressed his desire to remain a cowboy but fills like letting the market show his value is way more beneficial to him and his agent.
by Sado44 on Feb 1, 2012 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Trades
It’s always the same thing, holding onto players instead of being realistic. Cowboy defense is in full rebuild mode. Ratliff and Ware have to be on the block, that’s how you net numbers of starters instead of having only 5-6. Top heavy contracts don’t help, they only hurt.
Cowboys have twice as many past 4 year players (on existing rosters) as either NE or NYG, what’s the lesson to learn there?
blasphemy
Get this guy outta here. This isn’t madden son, you don’t trade away your only 2 pro bowlers. Please take your ideas to the cowboys’ Facebook page, where you can be amongst other idiot fans. You’re not worthy of the discussions that take place here. Go put on your dunce hat and sit in the corner.
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sheeple.....
are just tools for the failed management of the Cowboys.
Having Ware/Ratliff is like having a new Lexus while your house is being foreclosed on. Better to gain 4-6 new contracts over a few years than continue on this road. There just isn’t enough material in the draft or else sign more bloated contracts from FA to rebuild fast enough.
A receiver could go as well for the right price if they sign Robinson and that may be a mistakes as well, the made of glass issue which also follows the team.
Dont you have an occupy wallstreet protest to be at?
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Grow a pair Matt
You get to invectives talking on a sports blog?
I'm guessing that was meant to be an insult
But your inability to form a complete sentence reduced your statement to jibberish. & once again, do your research before throwing out insults. You should have consulted your mother about “my pair”, she can let you know how they taste and feel.
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Both of you are being tools, but at least cwon is arguing football
#demarcusvstheworld
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
What does "on existing rosters" mean???
and why was it on my original post?
Cowboys have close to twice as many players from their 07’ roster as either of the Superbowl teams. That’s a fact not open to debate.
That’s after a year of manic cap cuts in 2011 by the Cowboys reflecting years on malinvestment. This is actually an improved roster theory in 2011.
That bloated nucleus sells tickets but doesn’t win playoff games being my core point. What’s OCC doing changing my point below about LOS instead of “on existing rosters” which means very clearly who was on what organization in 07’?
One thing doesn't directly correlate with the other
Just because there hasn’t been enough turnover of the roster, doesn’t mean we need to put two of our best defensive players on the block.
How many trades have NYG and NE made with their best players?
Don't insult OWS and associate the movement
With the likes of this idjit. ;)
by Cowick22 on Jan 31, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you just make this stuff up?
The Giants had 26 players on their active roster for at least one game this year with 5 or more years of NFL experience. Count ’em:
Brandon Stokley (12), Deon Grant (10), Kareem McKenzie (10), Brian Williams (9), Rocky Bernard (9), Jimmy Kennedy (8)
Osi Umenyiora (8), David Diehl (8), Michael Clayton (7), Lawrence Tynes (7), Stacy Andrews (7), Chris Snee (7), Eli Manning (7), Chase Blackburn (6), Justin Tuck (6), Brandon Jacobs (6), David Baas (6), Antrel Rolle (6), Michael Boley (6), Chris Canty (6), Corey Webster (6), Will Blackmon (5), Steve Weatherford (5), Derrick Martin (5), Kevin Boothe (5), Mathias Kiwanuka (5).
Only one team in the NFL had more than the Giants: the Chargers with 28.
The Patriots had 25. The Cowboys 21.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
We're talking about time in the organization itself....
not length of service;
Only around 7 Giants or Pats were in the last Superbowl matchup (forget injured reserve for a moment).
Cowboys at 14.
It relates directly to dead money problem that is always with the Cowboys as well.
uh oooooh
Somebody’s backtrackiiiing. Your argument has been refuted and disproven, please see your way out of here. Don’t let the door hitcha where the good lord splitcha.
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Matt the "facts" are right there
Cowboys have close to twice as many past 4 year players (actually on the rosters! duh!) as the Pats or Giants.
What “facts” are in your imagination?
It reflects the stoopid clinging and contract extensions that have gone on. Last year was a step in the right direction but clearly the team is bloated with dead money contracts and issues for years. Newman, Barber, Davis, Columbo, Adams etc. etc.
Ratliff, Sensabaugh, Scandrick are more of the same going forward.Once extended (and inflated) their trade values actually goes down or goes to zero.
Cowboys = Inflated Top Heavy nucleus of players. Some should have been traded or allowed to walk long ago. the reason the Giants have many of those additions was because they did exactly what I’ve observed, they didn’t cling to the past as the Cowboys do all the time the past 15 years when you get right down to it.
okay, well I agree with some of this
The Ratliff extension baffled me. The scandrick and sensabaugh contracts aren’t as bad as they seem because after the first two years they can be cut with little to no cap penalty. There’s no excuse for Newman’s contract. One thing I do admire about the NYG is that they draft replacements before their veteran’s contracts are up. That obviously lessens the importance of retaining those players by throwing monstrous contracts at them. But I think behind closed doors we’re moving into the Stephen Jones/ Jason Garrett era. I think the cap situation was saved from catastrophe last year thanks to Stephen and I think draft scouting is improving thanks to Garrett. Hopefully this will lessen the need for bloated contracts that retain players far past their prime resulting in the dead money that we’ce been accustomed to.
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Without triggering another riot....
it’s perfectly reasonable to suggest trading what value there is left on defense for draft numbers and cap reductions.
I went through all this abuse years ago discussing the o-line. there just seems to be a fantasy the Cowboys are a few players from a Superbowl and this fantasy goes on every year. A miracle draft and 3-4 lucky pickups like Robinson and the Cowboys will be 10-6, 11-5.
I actually don’t think the combined 7-8 peak years left of Ratliff and Ware would get the 25 years of grade #1 or #2 draft level contract years at this point. Too much cap burden goes with them. In short Ratliff to a contender for a #1 plus #2, Ware #1, two #2 picks maybe a little higher than the middle for the first round.
It’s called rebuilding. Of course they are good players, that’s the point. They are both over 30 and this team is dreaming if they think just 20 million under cap with Newman cut they can be anything more than mddle of the pack on defense with the approach they are on.
I understand where you are coming from, and agree with most of it.
The Ratliff contract did surprise me as well and felt that they should have traded him the year prior to his contract year, but I do not think that trading both Rat and Ware right now would be the best move to make. As IMO they would be hard to replace (especially Ware). And although we may not be a few pieces away we are not that far away either we are somewhere in between, so we need to strike a balance of improving while building.
I do agree with you on the premise though and have suggested that we trade (i know i’m going to hear it again from you guys) Witten, as I feel that his production could be better absorbed by the rest of the offense (WR’s and RB’ along with the next TE). Cowboys personnel management was the pit’s, the moves they made would drive me crazy and we have been paying for it for a long time, hence all the dead money we have this year and even next year (I don’t even want to get into all the boneheaded moves that got us here).
If the recent past is any indication, it looks like they are heading in the right direction. I have discussed this with TCW (TheCowboyWay) on his fan post (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/1/25/2731878/rookies-liquid-assets-or-long-term-investments). I also agree with matt575 here
But I think behind closed doors we’re moving into the Stephen Jones/ Jason Garrett era.I am encouraged by the FO as of late and I like what Garrett is trying to do and IMO I believe Stephen Jones is stepping up. I’m looking forward to the FA period to see how we handle somethings this offseason and believe the organization will make some sound decisions. I hope. lol
Thanks....
I think fans in general, the emotional kind that dominate here, would be surprised how illiquid so many named players are. Especially after the final megacontract is signed. This is true across the league.
Imagine the Pats fail, largely on defense for instance. With the Brady clock ticking you wouldn’t trade picks (two #1’s this year) for a Ware? Changing what is a critical weakness? (spotty pass rush).
They again have a matching blessing against a weak oline of the Giants that played its best games against the Cowboys.
I don’t see any of this happening, I’m just surprised by the number of tools and stooges here who can’t imagine this is the right direction when in fact the Cowboys are REBUILDING not adding one or two for a superbowl run as the fantasy goes.
If Miles Austin has a fast start and the team look like last year, he’s a tradedeadline move as well. The Cowboys need numbers and younger, lower comp players across the board.
There's a big gulf between
Rebuilding and adding one or two pieces. I agree with you on premise, but think your examples have been for shock value. Trading Ware would be a problematic move. Putting aside the fact that a team like the Pats probably wouldn’t give up 2 firsts for him, dealing a player of his caliber would like be a wash or worse in talent level for the next 3 years and poses financial problems for the business side of things.
We’re finding ourselves churning the roster as it is, and we have a good amount of draft picks and free agency money. So the “One or two players from the super bowl” that you claim people are expressing doesn’t hold water.
That's also just some made-up stuff.
In this year’s Divisioon Championship game against the 49ers, the Giants returned 8 starters from the 2007 Superbowl: Diehl, Snee, McKenzie, Manning, Jacobs, Umenyiora, Ross and Webster.
7 more players were substitutes in the Super Bowl who were also still on the roster today against the 49ers: Tynes, Bradshaw, Blackburn, Tollefson, Boothe, Tuck and DeOssie.
That’s Giants 15 players are total returning from the last Super Bowl. By contrast, there are only 13 Cowboys still on the roster that lost in the 2007 divisional round to the Giants.
All of this relates directly to nothing
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Seven New England players on the roster in the 2007 Super Bowl were on the roster against the Ravens in this year’s conference championship: Welker, Light, Mankins, Brady and Wilfork were starters in the SB, Gostkowski and Faulk were substitutes.
Cwon1 got that number right.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Some of the players don't matter....
like punters and kickers or backups. My point is there are 4-5 key extensions that make a difference over a 3-5 year period. Cowboys got it wrong over a similar period. Very wrong in some cases.
It’s nothing new either. It has all the shades of Adams, Davis, Columbo, Gurode, R Williams, R Wiliams (defense), Barber etc. etc.
The headline count really isn’t the issue, it’s about total malinvestment. Still the Pats and Giants kept a tighter nucleus. In the case of the Pats they also have had piles of draft picks (even if they had some terrible pisks) because they made the right sort of management decisions.
2-3 trades away (or letting higher comp free agents walk) per year over the past 5 years and the story would be much better than it is currently. If Ratliff and or Ware have to go and the organization was better managed going forward I would do it. They might not actually have high trade values due to their comp packages, in short it’s too late perhaps.
How many times do you have to be told?
DON’T LET FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD ARGUMENT
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
we dont need no stinking facts
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
About the Giants
I didn’t realize the point would become hyperbolic and emotionally unhinged. I stand corrected to a degree on the Giants but there are only 7 Pats on the active roster who made the criteria.
Only 1 on defense, I count 7 for the Cowboys.
My broader point is correct, the Cowboys cling and have trouble moving forward. I’d like to see dead money stats over a number of years as well. Cowboys are leaders in that area would be my best estimate. It relates directly.
I agree
but trades are hard to come by. I don’t disagree we should probably try harder to trade contracts, but it doesn’t seem to be a skill that the FO has honed.
Ware is probably untouchable. As is Romo and maybe Witten. (face it, we’re never going to be as unsentimental as the Pats). But I to agree that it would be a mistake if they feel like they can’t trade players like Rat, Austin, Felix, Jenkins, Free, etc. if the return is good.
My assumption is that we haven’t found the trading partners that would give a good enough return and for a lot of these players, it’s a down year and their stock is low.
Contract Management is only 50% of the Cowboy Problem.....
the other is the silo culture that has been encouraged. For example, Ryan clearly did what he wanted on defense. Despite the very low football IQ’s that existed on defense in 2010. Hence all the “confusion” excuses. I think Wade understood better some of the limited minds he was working with as a coach.
Again, all coaches work for the Cowboys first not the head coach. It’s an uncoordinated managment team where people aren’t working toward the same goals on the same page.
Going back to the Pats for a minute, 18 UDFA, 11 others drafted no higher than the 5th round. This despite having more picks than anybody the last 5 years. It’s more than just talent at the issue with Dallas. The Pats cut people while they are on the plane flying home if they think its needed. Dallas runs the team like a water utility with all sorts of “seniority” involved in the culture.
Most of the coaches who just left this year should have been gone years ago or at least last year, dinosaur city. Both Ryan and Garrett could complain about this. If they couldn’t replace these people when hired that’s legite to complain about. I thought Ryan looked like a chump most of the year if not for this defense.
The Shiny 2012 Lexus......
in the garage of a foreclosed house.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
I can make an argument for.....
keeping the very best players but I’ve never seen a fan base as pathetic the ones here. Sucking up to management malpractice 24/7 as a rule.
Of course on a cumulative basis it enables bad management. You saw very little bad press that went with the Ratliff or Sensabaugh signings did you? Scandrick?
Nothing new there.
Very little bad press
Cwon, i’m not sure where you’re from or what posts you frequent but there were several individuals that didn’t like the Rat contract. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, there was a post about it. Sucking up to management – really? If you think that’s the case, then seek out any post from someone w/ the handle of mensa (the very same of the post you replied to) and you’ll quickly dismiss that thought process.
If you’re here to add some noteworthy rhetoric (which it appears you have the ability to do from reading above), then that’s certainly appreciated. But, to call the fan base here pathetic . . . it makes me wonder if you’re a fan and would by your own definition also be pathetic.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
If you're going to trade Ware...
…then you might as well trade Romo as well becuase you’re talking about completely hitting the reset button.
By the time all these drafts picks are peaking our QB will not be.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take Revis or Patrick Peterson over any rusher in this draft
but those guys aren’t in this draft. I’m not sold on a CB at 14
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 10:04 AM CST reply actions
I also think that this draft offers best value for CBs in the 2nd round
Unfortunately, as I’ve seen before, sometimes, there is a run on certain positions, the Cowboys are left in a pickle, and they have a very poor reaction.
To avoid this, they may just “reach” for Kirkpatrick or Jenkins at 14.
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by accidental innuendo on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
At the time Revis was selected he wasn't considered elite by any means
He wasn’t taken ironically at 14 by the Jets and as a Pitt fan and season ticket holder, I viewed him at Pitt as a good solid player, but not elite as a shutdown CB.
In Romo we Trust
he was damn good
but a lot of people didn’t grade him that high coming into the draft
that was an odd year
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
still the Jets traded up and he was considered the best CB prospect
I think he didn’t time great in the 40, holding him back on draft day
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
he ran a 4.38 which is great
but he ran it at his pro day instead of the combine (due to injury)
by somebodyquiet on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I see
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
he got a 4.35
after I looked it up.. when he fell the Jets got as lucky as Dallas did when Ware fell to us
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Yup
Just because DB is a need doesn’t mean we should let Coples pass us at 14 to draft Janoris Jenkins. Of course that’s wishful thinking with Coples, but the point is we can’t pass on a more talented player to fill a certain need.
by BrickTop on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Noooooo
Upshaw or Ingram in the first. If they are gone, trade down and take Konz and then fill the secondary with day two picks!
Unless they are already planning on going after Avril…
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none of them
neither Upshaw or Ingram are worth a high first; and Konz has medical issues
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
all people say he has medical issues but nobody tells what are those
any info about it? i would like to know what’s the matter with him
Actually people have said repeatedly what the issue is. But here it is again.
Saw action in 10 games in ’09, starting nine straight contests before blood clots were discovered in both his lungs and he missed the last two games. Was still on blood thinning medication during ’10 spring practice and he was not allowed to participate.
by Rena on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Am I the only one who sees this as subterfuge?
To basically have every member of the staff trumpet that they’re looking for DBs? When, at least, Garrett’s MO is to keep quiet?
My BS meter is screaming. They are looking at either pass rush or DeCastro at 14. They absolutely will look CB later. But this all-on, full-court press DB stuff just seems manufactured.
Jerruh runs a smokescreen from the end of the season to the end of the draft
and never stops.
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
yeah of couse i think they're looking at pass rusher but obviously ryan
doesn’t want to throw anyone under the bus, he’s being nice with his players
Our secondary is beyond pathetic
Really the only slightly above average player is Jenkins, the rest are either average or bad players.
In Romo we Trust
And even Jenkins couldn't tackle my mom
by Dynamicduo on Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i think gosselin just wings this stuff sometimes so that he sounds like a serious, no-nonsense analyst. first you need a qb. then it’s the pass rusher. then get 4 corners. and protect the qb. and get somebody for him to throw to. and get young. get a grip …
my preference is always to take the pass rusher/defensive end. problem is, i don’t really see that guy in this draft. we had a chance for jj watt last year. there isn’t anybody close to him i don’t think in this draft. you’ll end up taking somebody that won’t meet your expectations until year 3.
He is Peter King's idol...
to me, the fact that he still works for DMN is all I really need to know. I believe I learn far more about the Boys and football from BTB than I do from any of his “opinions”.
by TheCowboyFan on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Even if true that RR is only looking at DBs in the draft
it doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t look at pass rush in FA. So maybe….
Don't believe everything you think.
This does not suprise me Rob saying this, he loves his DB's
In 2 years as coordinator in Cleveland he signed in FA or drafted 12 DB’s along with signing 3 UDFA’s. We saw many times he would put in 6 and sometimes 7 DB’s in his scheme and was constantly rotating DB’s in and out to keep fresh legs on the field.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
any DC that loves to blitz needs a lot of really good cover guys
No surprise whatsoever
In Romo we Trust
It is possible to build a good Defense with a great secondary and ok front 7
I think that’s how the Jets do it
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions
The REAL problem
is that Rob Ryan is simply NOT a great or even good DC. His dream about making a HC is simply a fantasy at this point to my way of thinking. He’s nothing more than pure MOUTH like his idiot brother up in NY. Its also part of the reason why we got trashed in Philly earlier in the year because he opened his trap and said his pathetic defense was going to kick their ass. This man is a JOKE as an NFL DC.
I had high hopes for his schemes and yes you can say he didn’t have the talent to run his schemes you’d be right. But at the same time, I just don’t see this man making our D a great D. Even a good or average D. This guy is a journeyman. He’ll gravitate from one place to another. The most glaring idiotic thing I’ve heard him say was that T Newman was a great DB and then they signed Scandrick to an extension. ANYONE who saw the secondary play last year found out real quick that RR is full of sh*t. And that ISN’T going to change.
This team needs a tough minded, SMART DC who KNOWS what he’s doing and can help draft quality players to bring this team back from the brink of mediocrity.
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I agree he'd be a terrible HC, witness his dad and bro, but let's give him some players before we bury him as DC. Both his dad and bro were
good at that.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I didn't like the hire when it happened and I still don't like it.
He and the whole damn family are a bunch of clowns.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
you're just angry because we were 8-8 and the giants are in the super bowl
me too but rob ryan isn’t the one to fault
He certainly.....
didn’t have any feel for the low football IQ of the defense. Spencer, Newman, James, Jenkins, Sensabaugh, Elam for example. Some of them don’t like hitting or contact either.
If RR has one excuse it’s the front office protects dead money contracts all the time for the past decade. JJ loves draft picks, guys who look good in the weight room, track stars who can’t play. Then he has a thing about certain FA signings that make little or no sense; Brooking, Sensabaugh, Elam.
Cwon you keep saying low football IQ
Is this your assessment or know fact. Cause I can tell you from personal experience with more than one of those names you mentioned that the low IQ BS is way way far off. Defensive schemes are built to flex they are structured so that when you apply pressure to a certain area the whole structure doesn’t come tumbling down. If you don’t slow your defense the ability to flex when need be you have the right amount of pressure on it then all you end up with is a big huge pile of shit. The football IQ should not be questioned by a spectature. Cause to be honest this is not a chess game. Its not a video game either.
by Sado44 on Feb 1, 2012 8:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just because RR is looking only at DBs doesn't mean he's looking only at DBs in the first.
This draft is deep at CBs in the first 3 rounds. I’m somewhat reluctant with picking a CB at #14. I like Jenkins skill set and since BD26 has thorougly scouted him and said he’s clean, I wouldn’t complain if he were our pick even though he’s only 5’9-5’10. Dre has good size and good tackling ability, but he’s not a ball hawk and does not have Jenkins coverage skills, not to mention that you can’t fix stupid.
I still want DeCastro if he’s there, which is becoming more doubtful by the day. I want to see the combine results for Perry, who is my dark horse, Ingram, Coples, Upshaw, and Brockers. I still believe we go D front 5 in the first if DeCastro is gone, but I wouldn’t be surprised with a CB.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I agree......
lineman can have longer tread life with the fastest startup impact. Sometime a QB,CB can’t be resisted. LBs can be solid and safer too.
They can washout at any position of course. Coples will not be there.
This terrible, pathetic deffense....
.Has holes in the secondary and 2 holes at linebacker. Newman, Sensi, Spencer and james need to be replaced……by anything….anybody!!!……
Offense still needs a at least 2 upgrades in the OL and I have no clue how the hell do we cover all those holes in one year…….you need 6 new starters. That’s tough to do.
I try to look at it this way
Dallas played three out of the “final four” playoff teams and was very competitve against all of them. I don’t think they can or should try to fill all the holes. I think they just need to fill the right ones, the ones that make the greatest impact. I’m not saying they will, but that has to be the plan going in.
Personally I’d lean toward improving along both lines as a strategy but I don’t know that they’ll agree.
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
6 new starters isn't that tough to do
3 in FA, 3 in the draft…thats extremely doable
In Romo we Trust
smith, murray, and bailey
then we have Carter looking to be coming on made that punt block late in that game to get Mc Gee a chance to keep us from getting skunked. also arkin is looking to be pretty useful as well as nagy both hampered by injuries last year started at the beginning and didnt look horrific given a full offseason we should have one helluva draft class that year.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
rookie kickers don't count
we have a new one every 2 years
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
oh sure just discount that one he only went 26 in a row!
i believe he is definatly gonna be counting for more then just this year and next. I guess we’ll see though.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Like Aggie said, kickers don't count.
It’s certainly looking like we had a good draft last year, and even then, we didn’t get the 3 first year starters. Murray only started a few games because Felix got hurt. So, we only really had one legitimate starter out of that class. We picked him 9th overall. He better have been a starter.
My point stands. It isn’t easy to come out of a draft with 3 first-year starters.
Even still you can’t discount that Arkin and Nagy both started before they got injured and they did well while starting sure they need some work but they were adequate while starting. Yes it hard to find 3 first year starters but it also doable as Terry pointed out.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Arkin started a preseason game, that's all.
I’ll give you Nagy.
I think there is a difference between doable and extremely doable. I’m not over here saying it’s impossible to do, clearly it isn’t. I just don’t think we should talk like it’s easy, ya know?
I will def give you that!
extremely may have been used a bit too loosely for sure, but given our last 2 drafts I’m leaning more towards it being rather easy for us to get it right now.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
We're splitting hairs.
Let me ask you this. (I know there is no way of knowing for sure) If Felix hadn’t gotten hurt, how many games would Murray have started? My point being that we didn’t go into the 3rd round last year with a hole at RB and got this guy to be our new starter. He was the backup and was forced into action. Luckily for us, he acquitted himself well.
You can’t expect 3 first year starters every draft, right?
it looks like Spencer will be coming back then
I pray that they don’t pay him too much then
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply actions
what about Osi
Do you think an 8 year vet is willing to make the switch to OLB?
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
we would have to trade for Osi
and I would rather keep that 2nd round pick
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
yeah he has one more year left on his deal
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
He wants too much money! Forget about OSI.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I think anyone
who knows Greg Ellis’s career would be willing to make that switch; go from 8 sacks a year to a probowler with 12, even after 11 seasons
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Fox Mulder knows whats up.
I miss the X-Files, I should get them on DVD because I don’t think they’d put a show like that on Bluray.
Oh yeah about the OT, um yeah smokescreens, trust no one, except me. We are drafting DeCastro.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
issiah stanback is about to get a super bowl ring
that is just messed up
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM CST reply actions
When they try to give him his ring
his shoulder will probably pop out when he reaches for it.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
flozell adams almost got one last yr
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If the Giants win, does it stamp Eli's ticket to the HOF?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Good qb, 2sb wins, playing in NY
= HOF.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Sad thing is Romo is a better QB, but he won't smell the HOF if doesn't win a SB.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
does anyone on here believe Eli is a better QB than Romo?
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Romo >>>> Sheli
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
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Some think so because
they can’t get past comparing team accomplishments like playoff wins and SB appearances. Which is pretty silly since we don’t see that standard applied to any other position, or even grouping, like defense. There is no logic to it, but because people listen to thwe mdia drone on about “teams of destiny” and players “putting hte team on their shoulders” they can’t help themselves. Eli did his job in SF, but special teams was what decided that game, and yet I didn’t see Eli make any special teams plays.
Don't believe everything you think.
Chia right now Eli is better.
Remember the missed pass to Austin in the first Giants game ? Eli is making those throws. He does what he has to do. Sucks for us but it’s true. Stats suck. Winning doesn’t.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Eli is more successful.
Not necessarily better, but he has made the most of his opportunities. In equivalent situations, I think Romo probably has an edge on Eli, but twice in Eli’s career the rest of the team has gotten on a roll with him (he has had an outstanding year, possibly because he had some coaching help from a certain brother of his) and he has found himself in the Super Bowl.
Sadly, Tony will not be considered as HOF material unless the rest of the team steps up to a higher level (outside of the players like Ware, Witten and others who are also more than carrying their weight.)
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
mensa I think what you meant to say was:
EliCruz is making thosethrowscatches. He does what he has to do.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Eli is throwing the pass that makes it catchable. Romo flat out missed Austin.
Eli is better right now. He will go down in history as better than Romo. Sad fact but true.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
One throw and Eli is better?
Don’t talk about wins and act like you don’t like stats.
Big you obviously haven't been around to read many of my comments.
I loathe stats. Look at Roth. He isn’t a huge stats guy but he gets the job done. Rodgers had awesome stats and Brees had better stats. Both watching from home. Brees 2 ints vs Frisco. LOL. WOO HOO but they have those stats.
One throw and Eli is better?
You really want me to rehash the Jets and Lions games ? Eli is playing next Sunday. Romo will be doing like me and watching from a sofa.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Brees did NOT have better stats than Rodgers.
The Giants play Sunday, Eli is on the team. I guess you think that Brady and Eli are the two best QB’s in the league?
How could anybody hate stats?
You bring up Brees’ 2 ints, isn’t that a stat? And aren’t you bringing up the ‘9ers defense? So, it isn’t just about the QB winning all by himself.
Actually YOU brought up the stats.
And your silly explanation for stats
Get over it dumbface. Eli is better. Guys like you just can’t swallow the the truth because you wont get your heads out of the Cowboys rear ends. The blindness exhibted by fans like you is comical.
Oh one other thing dumbface stat man…..Brees 5476 yards Rodgers 4645 yards……………..Strike 3. I am done with you.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 1, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
mensa my good man Austin flat out admits that he lost the ball in the lights.
Romo’s pass was also catchable only Austin couldn’t find it not quite Romo’s fault. He didnt flat out miss Dez to put us up by 12 though did he?
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Cowboys he was almost 4 yards away from the pass.
Why is it only Dallas wr’s lose it in the lights. I credit Austin for defending Romo. He knew Romo was gonna get pasted.
He didnt flat out miss Dez to put us up by 12 though did he?
Eli didn’t miss when they needed a td to win. See the difference.
Romo is my favorite player. I hate Eli. Facts are facts though.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
true that facts are facts
didnt you see Austins face he looked lost. very upset for missing the pass. footballs are so easy to loose in the lights too so it’s very believable to me. do I understand why he would lie to save face for his QB sure but I also tend to believe almost everything told to me so when he says he lost it I willingly believe! ;-)
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
LOL Cowboys.
Funny how the opponent doesn’t lose them in the lights at the Cowboys home stadium.
I can understand you wanting to believe him.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 1, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions
so you're givin it to the G-men?
i think the pats win this one, but i would love if somehow the universe manages to give a loss to both
yeah I would say so and he has a lot of time left
he is really good
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
First of all, the Giants are not going to win.
Secondly:
Brad Johnson, 1 SB ring, 82.5 career passer rating. 72-53 W/L record
Eli Manning, 1 SB ring, 82.1 career passer rating. 69-50 W/L record
Eli Manning is Brad Johnson with a sad face. Brad Johnson is not in the HOF.
Those are the facts.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
you really believe that Eli Manning is Brad Johnson?
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
you like the Patriots in that game?
I believe the Giants will win, but I will be rooting for the Patriots
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I reluctantly have to agree
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no self-respecting Cowboys fan should ever root for the G-girls
Especially in the Superbowl
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
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I rooted for them against the 49ers
I really dont like the 49ers
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I feel you dog
Worst possible matchup
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Not me I wanted a Harbaugh SB this year oh well neither made it
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
nope think ya had it right the first time haha
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
You know, if it was soccer and they were in south america that punt returner would be MIA
I give it to the Giant’s they did come out with a W, but come on man how fortunate can they get! Sigh
Why not?
It shows the division strength. Plus who wasn’t a Giant fan in 07 SB?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
completely different circumstances.
No way I’m rooting for an undefeated season for the Pats! Now however Heck yes I’ll root for them to stomp the Gnats.
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I hope they both lose, but that's a pipe dream.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Meteor.....
that is what I am rooting for…..
Nothing big, just large enough to take out the Stadium, thus forcing the league to cancel the game…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I cant believe the Giants are the underdog, again
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
why?
because they are the hottest team in the NFL, went on the road the last two weeks and won
idk why the Patriots are favored in this game at all
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
especially with Gronkowski having a high ankle sprain
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
The line is holding at NE -3.
It was the correct line as far as keeping the money even.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
yeah I guess
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
moneyline
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Giants +115...............NE-135..........over/under 55
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Yeah, you gotta ignore who is the better team.
It’s all about keeping the money on both sides as even as possible.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
The Andrew Brandt model for building a team
It takes time but it has been doing pretty good for the Packers since Brandt brought that in there.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I was talking about Vegas betting lines/spreads.
Funny that that can also be used to build a team.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Check this out:
http://thebirddog.wordpress.com/about/
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Rip Miller who ran the Birddog scouting network played Oline for Notre Dame and blocked for the fames Four Horsemen
The football field at the Naval Academy is named after him along with the Miller Tropphy that is awarded to the winner of the Notre Dame-Navy Game every year and Navy awards the their varsity MVP the Miller Award each year. He ran almost 300 scouts nationwide who recruited the likes of Staubach. He was s great man. He passed away in 91 but his wife Esther is still alive. She still atends the Navy games and the annuall Navy-Notre Dame and makes it to Cowboys games in Washington every year.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
That is Sierra Hotel.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
while that 's true.....
you HAVE to believe the Pats trainers are working around the clock on him, making sure that ankle heals asap. The guy is way too valuable to be hobbling around just days before the Super Bowl, knowing he is probably Brady’s biggest weapon, even with Welker on the field. The guy is a BEAST at TE and can run over NY db’s at will. I think the best way to beat these guys is with short passes to both Gronk and Hernandez just behind the LB’s with Welker on slants or post patterns. The Giants are going to be all over Brady the quick short passes will force their LB’s into coverage allowing Brady to do his thing. Their no -huddle offense has been brilliant.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
Interesting stat:
the Pats have beat only one team (that one in the playoffs) with a winning record.
The Cowboys have lost to no teams with a losing record, and therefore didn’t make the playoffs.
This is an extremely close league, all the way around, and the Pats are very very vulnerable.
Best possible matchup for Giants....
NE weak pass rush, Giants have killer receivers on weak Pat secondary.
They might still lose but the Ravens would have been tougher for them.
wow
Eli is good though, I respect his ability to take a hit, not elevate his emotions, and play solidly even after getting roughed up
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Eli is good
And all joking aside, I think he seems like a good person. But is he HOF-worthy? No.
Don't believe everything you think.
I love those stats OCC
I like Eli (less than Romo, & Tony’s better than him), but Eli isn’t a HOFer. That can change though. But today as it stands, Eli isn’t a HOFer.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol QB rating
a “all in one” stat that doesn’t adjust for wide receiver quality, offensive line quality, weather factors, stadium factors and competition faced. This ain’t baseball where you look at WAR. Just no.
by The Cole Train on Jan 31, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
uh Eli has had quality WRs and decent Oline play too.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, a member of the Enshrine Eli Now Movement! Welcome.
I find it hilarious that there are only two fanbases in the NFL that dispute quarterback rating as a valid measure of a quarterback: Denver and the Giants. Even the Jets fans have have stopped making that silly argument.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
The ONLY reason
is because his last name happens to be Manning and he has had the benefit of a BEAST of a front four Defense since 2007. When those guys are healthy, we’ve seen what they can do. It doesn’t matter WHO the opposing qb is, when you’ve got a QUALITY front 4 that will get in the qb’s face on almost EVERY play, the odds increase that he’ll stay on the sidelines for most of the game watching your better than avg qb lead his team down the field and score. That’s exactly what happened in 2007 and may just happen this sunday. Put Eli behind OUR OL and you’ll see just how avg he would become.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
He wins a second SB and He plays in NY. He'll get in just like Big Ben, Stats not withstanding.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Ben is a great player though
I must be the only person who thinks Rothelesberger played great in that Superbowl where he went 9/21… the one 50 yard bomb out his team ahead and sealed the deal on a title
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
He was ALSO the beneficiary of a HOF play by Harrison
in the Super Bowl against Arizona. That INT at the goal line where he took it back for 6 changed the entire game and helped put a Ring on their collective fingers.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
Just saying, Ben's stats include PR= 92.1, Comp %= 63.1, Yds/G= 233.1, TD=165, Ints=100, which is better than Eli's, but
Ben has had the luxury of great D’s under Labeau. I think Ben deserves to be in the HOF. My point is that playing in Pitts or playing in NY and winning multiple SB’s pretty much guarantees the nod for Canton.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
He didn't throw that pass?
The pass was thrown by the WR Antwaan Randle El to Hines Ward and it was for 43 yards. He stunk up the Superbowl… Ben benefited from an awesome defense in both his SB victories.
RexP
he a "the drive" against the cards.
Like it or not.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Did you forget the sarcasm font?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
The giants
have the worst OL in the NFL. but okay
by The Cole Train on Jan 31, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
The Giants have the worst o-line in the playoffs, but the 7th best in the regularseason.
seeing as the Lions, who played all of one game, have the best o-line in the playoffs, the regular season ratings might be a little more accurate.
Eli is lucky
which is better then being really good.
Besides the helmet play by a guy that never caught another one in the NFL, just before that Samuels gets both hands on a pick and drops it.
Either play goes differently and who is talking about eli as a HOF except NYG homers?
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 31, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
It has nothing to do with his name,
it has to do with good play and (as stipulated) if he wins two SBs, which few QBs accomplish.
You know in a minute that if Romo had 2 SB rings we wouldn’t even be asking whether he should be in the HOF, it would be totally obvious to us.
I still Romo accomplishes more with his team and gets in. I understand it isn’t “fair,” but this is a team sport, and accomplishment matters more than individual stats.
to this point
You know in a minute that if Romo had 2 SB rings we wouldn’t even be asking whether he should be in the HOF, it would be totally obvious to us.
it would be Obvious to everyone.
Over his Career Romo has been better than Eli. take this year for example…Eli had a career year that barely managed to beat out an Average year for Romo….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
The Eli HOF talk does not bother me...
…as much as the Tom Coughlin HOF talk I’ve seen on BSPN recently. Let me get this straight…
Coughlin wins his 2nd Super Bowl and that rubber stamps his HOF ticket? Yet Jimmy Johndon also has won 2 and is one of only 6 coaches to ever go BACK to BACK and he’s not in.
If all it takes is 2 there why isn’t Tom Flores in there or George Siefert?
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Jan 31, 2012 9:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is Alzheimers Contagious??
The Jerry needs to be quarantined. It’s obviously spread to Ryan.
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think say he only looking at DBs was Ryan being Ryan.
I feel sure he’s looking at all positions.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
and who knows, maybe he was literally assigned on that random day “On Tuesday we’re only evaluating the DBs; DB meeting Wednesday”
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by AustonianAggie on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure we have 1-2 players that we are targetting at #14. This is all BS to hide our real intent for the first pick.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Eli's 1st superbowl was a fluke
if it wasn’t for that ridiculous pass rush the Giants don’t win SB42
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
David Tyree catching the ball with his helmet notwithstanding......all the while being tripled covered.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
A lot of SB wins are flukes, but he's still got the ring.
If they win Sunday he’ll have 2, he plays in NY and his name is Manning. HOF here comes Eli.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Super Bowl V anyone..........may as well call it the "Fluke Bowl".....
And yes, the Colts still have their rings to prove it.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
I was thinking of that game when I was typing.
The missed FG in the Giants v Bills and the Jackie Smith drop. Just to name few.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Super bowl XIII was also the fluke Bowl.
HOF’er Jackie Smith drop.
Complete BS PI call on Benny Barnes against Swann that should have been an incidental no call.
Squealer kicker slipped on the ensuing kick off causing an accidental squib to Randy White, who was wearing a huge cast on his left hand, and fumbled to squealers.
As lucky as the gnats get, the squealers got so lucky in at least 3 of their SB wins.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Chia
When’s the next chiacrack radio episode?
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I can't wait, I got my secret decoder ring in the mail.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Be suuuure to drink... your.... Ovaltine?!!!
by matt575 on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's changed to "Drink the koolade".
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Ya I have been waiting for the next episode for a while
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
by Trueblue122 on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
On 9-23-2011, the odds of the Giants winning the SB was 40 to 1.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Cowboys odds of winning one before I die?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
incalculable?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm 35 (will be 36 in a couple of weeks)
I’m 6’3" and weigh in between 240 and 245. I eat fast food for lunch almost everyday and I like to drink lots of beer on the weekends. Doc says my blood preasure and heart rate are excellent. However my family history shows tons of heart problems.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 31, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I have no doubt they will win the super bowl the year after I kick the bucket.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 31, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
It really depends how long Jerry lives.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
with 2012 being the 20th anniversary of SB XXVII
Dallas wins #6. I will keep saying it until the Boys final game next year.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 12:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
In SB XXVII?
19-0 to quote or good friend Ironman! I heartily agree too.
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry ain't dying. His goal is to torment Dallas fans until they die.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 31, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
LOL sad but true!
Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!
by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
I got 100-1 in early october i believe it was
Or maybe 90 hell I’m gonna have to go check now.
by Sado44 on Feb 1, 2012 8:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't confuse "I'm only looking at DBs"
as the Boys drafting 7 DBs.
They will go BPA in every round. It depends who is the highest rated player, and doesn’t necessarily have to be a DB.
Yes it’s a clichè, but that’s how it will play out.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Stephen said exactly that
he said BPA is how you build a great team plus you never know who will get injured so you might as well just collect the best players you can.
Don't believe everything you think.
Yeah, just because Ryan is only looking at DBs
doesn’t mean that JG, Jerry and Stephen aren’t looking at others.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
for some reason..
I’m really wanting courtney upshaw.. I think hw wuld be a beast beside D-ware.. Think he could be wayyy better than “almost anthony”.. He reminds me of sum1 but I can’t put my finger on it..
by cjs.93 on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
he aint that good
might be better then Spencer but not by much
by burmafrd1944 on Jan 31, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Who knows anymore with this team.
I’ll just hope it is all a smokescreen because there are only three players in the front seven who have demonstrated to be above average (Lee, Ware, and Ratliff) in extended snaps. Everyone else oscillates between terrible to average. If that is a strength on this team than it could only be considered one when compared to our secondary where the situation is also pretty dire.
Of course, just because the secondary is in more trouble does not mean you have to absolutely use your first round pick on a secondary player. Overall, I just hope these are some good nuggets that are not really reflective of what the Cowboys are actually doing.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Please
The defense was right around average the entire season, so I find it hard to believe they only have three good players. Spencer is no worse than average, Jenkins is good (though injured often), Hatcher’s a perfectly fine player to have starting, and Sensabaugh is more than competent at safety. The injuries to the defensive backfield combined with Newman’s pancaking into a wall along with Brooking and Bradie’s awfulness I’d agree…the defensive backfield needs work.
I think you extrapolated out my opinions a little too strongly.
I would agree that Spencer is an average player and that Jenkins is the one competent player in the secondary. Sensabaugh can be average, but some games he is downright bad. I like Hatcher so perhaps I should have picked him out individually, but I feel Coleman and Spears are somewhere between below-average and average.
Newman, Elam, Sensabaugh, Spears, Coleman, James, and Brooking all are at best average and obviously have games where they are considerably worse than average. Scandrick and Spencer are probably more average and don’t vary like the others.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Sensabaugh I think is right around average
He’ll have one terrible game but four above average games to make up for it. Never spectacular, but usually pretty good. Spencer, I feel is the same way. He played the worst game he’s ever played in his career against the Giants and the best game he’s ever played against the Redskins in Week 2. So I think there’s some “recentness” bias going on here. Newman, James, Brooking, Spears, and Coleman aren’t weren’t even close to average. If Newman was average the whole year the Cowboys are in the playoffs. That dude pretty much single handedly lost a few games for the Boys after thanksgiving.
Well it's Sensabaughs terrible games every now and then
that make him average to me. I suppose I would agree his ceiling for play is higher than the others but I can’t recall many times I have felt he played above average for a long stretch of time.
As for Spencer, I am much more down on him than anyone else. I wouldn’t say it’s recency bias either. My problem with him is that he rarely can outright win a one on one matchup. Ware does it a lot, Hatcher and Ratliff can do it sometimes, but I can’t recall Spencer doing it really at all. In fact most of his sacks last year came while a QB was clearly scrambling due to pressure put on by others. I will give the guy his due for being able to tackle while being engaged in the running game, but at some point you have to do more than that to be anything more than an average, no-impact guy. Spencer is an average player and as I have continually stated, I see no reason to really bring him back and settle for average play overall, and below avsrage pass rushing at SOLB. This is especially true in light of Ware about to turn 30.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Creasy729 on Jan 31, 2012 9:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Please show me how he is below average solb
Stats seem to say he is right there at the top in sacks and pressures and hits with the best solb.
by Sado44 on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think they will address the LOS (Offense or Defense), but I wouldn't be suprised if they went CB
if the players they were targeting have been taken, but even then I would think they may trade down. IMO i believe Garrett understands and appreciates what great play on both sides of the LOS does for a team (he does have first hand experience of what it can do for a team).
I don't think there's a DB worth taking in the 1st RD
As far as I can tell there are no Eric Berry’s or Patrick Peterson’s sitting anywhere in this draft, and in today’s NFL with the way the rules are the only way I’d take a DB in the 1st RD would if they were a more or less a can’t miss prospect and none of these guys are. As for Spencer I’d resign him but only for some league minimum 1 or 2 year deal. If some other team is dumb enough to give him more than that let his behind walk, it’s not like our playoff chances are determined on whether we resign him or not.
You're not getting Spencer for the league minimum, not even close.
People rag on Spencer, but he’s one of the best player at his position in the league. if he signs else where, who will replace him?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Does it really matter who replaces Spencer
The guy doesn’t pass the eyeball test he’s nothing more than a JAG, and one who admitted he quit mid season during 2010 at that. You can’t build around people like that. There is no way you can give a large long term contract to that guy, that is one of the reasons the Cowboys have had problems the last few years, i.e. they’ve been giving large long term contracts to average or below average players.
by mrniceguy101 on Jan 31, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I could say the same for you eyes
What in Gods name has Spencer done that leads you to believe he is some kind of special player
by mrniceguy101 on Jan 31, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Special? No
It’s not a binary system. JAG or special. There’s middle ground, if you think he’s average…I don’t know what to tell you. He’s clearly a starter for the Cowboys and he’s a starter on the Chargers, Cardinals, Jets, and plenty of other teams. DeMarcus Ware, Tamba Hali, or Clay Matthews he is not…but he’s excellent at covering the run, good in pass coverage, and fine in the pass rush. I’d like him back if the price is right, of course if Ingram is BPA on the board I wouldn’t be opposed to taking him. Furthermore, if you can get Massaqoui or Irvin in the 3rd or so I’d be on board with getting them and using the in extra pass rush situations or playing a “wait and see,” game with them.
I realize that Ware is the primary pass rusher in the Cowboy defense and that whoever plays opposite of him is theoretically going to have fewer pass rushing opportunities, that said whoever that is should be a player that averages at least somewhere between 6 and 10 sacks a season and I don’t think Spencer will ever be capable of doing that. I’m not opposed to resigning Spencer as long as the price is right and we can cut him in one or two years with little or no implication for the cap if and when we find a “better” player. The only time the Cowboys defense really seemed above average with the current core of players was the last 6 games or so of the 09 season when Spencer seemed to have figured it out and the defense could get fairly consistent pressure from both sides. If the Cowboys have hopes of fielding a better than average defense they have to find something that can generate consistent pressure opposite of Ware.
by mrniceguy101 on Jan 31, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
In the last 3 years 09-6, 10-5, 11-6 sacks.
The guy is good in pass coverage and good against the run. Well worth resigning unless Jerry can pull someone better out of his hat.
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Regardless whether they resign Spencer or not it is imperative that the Cowboys find somebody that can generate consistent pressure on the QB other than Ware because Spencer never will, at least in this universe. It doesn’t necessarily have to be this season though, in that the Cowboys have so many holes on both sides of the ball that it is going to take 2 or 3 years of excellent drafting and shrewd free agency moves to be a contender.
by mrniceguy101 on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying they don't.
I think Dire and myself are just saying that Spencer is a good player, and it would hurt the team to lose him. So if were going to replace a player that’s solid:
A.) To get a tangible impact in terms of wins and losses he’ll have to be a pretty damn good player. Look if Lamarr Woodley or Ryan Kerrigan were available I’d say get them.
and most importantly:
B.) If you do replace him you’d have to be SURE that the guy you get is better. You can easily do a lot worse than Anthony Spencer, it’s also easy to overlook Spencer’s other abilities besides rushing the passer. There’s also an opportunity cost with replacing Spencer, the money or picks that you use to replace Spencer, a perfectly competent player, can’t be spent elsewhere. You’d need to be beyond sure. I’m not so sure Courtney Upshaw is that much better than Spencer, and I wouldn’t be shocked if Melvin Ingram ends up worse than Spencer too.
It isn't like Kerrigan was a slam dunk.
I’m backing off the “get rid of Spencer” thing a little because I think he’s probably good enough at the other things he has to do that he won’t keep the team from winning a Super Bowl, but this team would be better if Spencer would get 8-10 sacks instead of 4-6.
someone said it earlier somewhere else on here we need to get a better scheme
for our defense as far as whose where on what downs obvious passing downs bring in Butler and obvious running down put in Spencer. I dont want Spencer anymore but if we have to keep him use him right1
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by Cowboys_Attack on Jan 31, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Morris Clairborne from LSU ... top 5 pick... shutdown corner with size and speed
Dude has a huge upside… former wide receiver out of high school turned into cornerback… probably best move he ever made… great hands, excellent body position when ball is in the air. Needs to bulk up a bit but not get to big that he loses speed. This is one guy that will be a great player in the NFL… make a huge impact by 2nd year… with a great conditioning coach that will actually take the time with this kid that impact could be in his 1st year.
RexP
Well...
Newman was the worst player on the team and Jenkins was hurt off and on, they have a tentative replacement for the second worst player on defense (Brooking/Bradie) in Bruce Carter. So Rob’s right here. However, if DeCastro, Kirkpatrick, and Claiborne are gone and were left with Ingram as the best player there…I say take him.
Could go CB in FA and pick 2 CBs in rounds 2-4.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Kirkpatrick's already gone in my scenario.
But yeah, my top five is looking like:
Kalil
Claiborne
DeCastro
Kirkpatrick
Ingram.
IF In F/A They
Can bring in Hardiwick ( a CENTER) to fill THAT need and Mincey (a pass rusher) then they COULD easily use the first three picks on DB’s and the rest of the draft to look for “depth” (should make you BPA fans happy.) Another option in addition to Hardiwick would be Landry from the ‘Skins, in which case they’d need to look for a pass rusher in the draft (Massaquoi maybe?) It seems to me the bigger question at the moment is what deadweight are they going to unload? Ball, Buehler, Marty B.,?
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FA signings:
Anyone on his third contract or more must be cause for concern if we are contemplating signig a FA. Two problems come to mind, expected salary, which is usually not commensurate with future production and failure of his team to negotiate a new deal with him. ?reason.
We usually end up with an expensive FA whose production is limited. Buyer be ware.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Are we looking at this wrong?
The two things we keep asking are do we want another premier pass rusher or a premier corner, when the question we should be asking is Rob Ryan going to blitz less this year. Cause if not we should be looking for a premier corner or two cause they will be left on an island a lot once again and lets face it that pass rush is not going to get there all the time so I would rather have some more than capable corners out there to depend on, but I guess thats just me.
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We already have a premier pass rusher. DB is definitely the bigger need.
Adding another premier pass rusher would be nice but isn’t as vital as shoring up the secondary. We can find help for Ware and Ratliff in later rounds. Though if we signed a high quality CB in FA we could afford to use that first round pick on some other position.
BTW, Gosselin is a moron (for a lot of reasons). Just a few weeks ago he said on Cowboys Insider (or one of those shows) that Dallas should draft a CB in the first round. Now it’s pass rusher, because that seemed to be trendy for a while. He might be singing a completely different tune in a few weeks. I don’t see why people put stock in anything the guy says. He’s even in last place in that game picking contest on Cowboys Insider. If you’re consistently losing to guys like Mickey Spagnola and Bill Jones you shouldn’t be paid for your opinions.
We need a transfusion in the secondary.
Either first round or FA.
As far as pass rush
is concerned, maybe if they had a few DB’s that could stay with a receiver for more than 1 or 2 seconds, Spencer and others would be able to get more sacks.
by Son of Pete Wright on Jan 31, 2012 6:28 PM CST reply actions
thats what Rex Ryan thought but we seen how that turned out
the best tandom of CBs in the NFL & teams moved the ball through the air bc they lacked pass rushers up front. no push, no playoffs
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
What we really need is for the players we currently have to crack open their playbooks
Can’t move at full speed if you don’t know what your doing! Throughout the season all I saw was guys in the secondary with their arms up in the air like whats going on. Blow coverage after blow coverage. Lets learn what were doing, I want guys that are students of the game out there. Example Ed Reed or they can even look at a player on the team now Sean Lee.
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That's WHY I Said
Massaquoi! He should still be there by the third round; which would give them the first two to find either DB’s or a Center; depending upon who they can get in F/A!
GO COWBOYS! GET SOME BIG D! AH-OOO-AH!
It all depends on what we do in FA
Unless we sign Cortland Finnegan we have to draft a corner. We can’t go into the season with what we have.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Pass rushers please ...
Someone throw in the tapes of Charles Haley, Tony Tolbert, Russell Maryland, Tony Casillas, Ken Norton and Co. They were fast and aggressive and they were feared.
The problem is the only pass rusher feared is DWare and if you neutralize him you pick apart the secondary that has no stud safety like Darren Woodson.
So they’ve either tipped their hand they intend on resigning the inconsistent Anthony Spencer or they fully intend on mixing it up with draft picks on the D.
I’ll take feared pass rushers any day.
Always draft the best athlete
Back in the day when the Cowboys were winners, they always drafted the best available athlete no matter what position he played.
Ronald F. Adams Jr.
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