The Jason Garrett Process: Were The Cowboys Listening?
Jason Garrett has completed his first full season as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and the team missed the playoffs with a record of 8-8. The outcome will certainly not earn him any bragging rights, but does it mean Jason Garrett failed in his efforts? While Cowboys fans suffered through too many painful defeats this season, was the sting greater than last year because the team so often teased us with first half leads that turned sour? The team clearly needs to improve in many facets of the game. Yet it would seem that there was certainly progress made by the Jason Garrett regime in 2011.
The great draft debate of 2011 yielded what appears to be a prized bull in tackle Tyron Smith. He was easily the best rookie offensive lineman from his draft class and the debate to switch him to left tackle will certainly rage this offseason. DeMarco Murray had a phenomenal rookie season cut short by injury, but the third round pick may turn out to be the best draft-day bargain the Cowboys have had in years...though Sean Lee will be fighting for that title as well. Offseason acquisitions like Laurent Robinson and Tony Fiammetta were also welcomed additions to the offense, while journeyman Frank Walker could help bolster a secondary in desperate need of more talent.
Clearly the Dallas Cowboys came up short this season, and I would imagine it is not only the fans that are disappointed with the results. For over a year now, Jason Garrett has often preached about the process, using each day to be great and to improve from one week to the next. While the team did not follow a clear trend of improvement as the season progressed, the process did lead the team to a fighting chance for the division title. While the ‘Boys let us all down in their final game of the season, having the chance to win that game and earn a playoff spot is surely progress from a year ago. In fact, many critics and plenty of fans never thought the Cowboys would even have a chance at the playoffs let alone the NFC East title. But in the end, it is clear much more work and some new talent is needed for the process to pay off with the ultimate prize during Garrett's reign.
More after the jump...
But again, there were clearly improvements made from last season. As fans, there is not much more we could have asked from this newly (re)assembled team and coaching staff, especially after a lock-out shortened offseason. The Cowboys fought all year and were one game away from becoming the NFC East champs. Plenty of tragic losses mired the Cowboys progress this season, but none stung more than those against division rivals. Any time both the Giants and Eagles sweep the two-game series fans will be furious. Sure, Tony Romo missed the second matchup versus the Eagles, but the first was the worst loss of the season and the Cowboys twice failed to beat New York and place a stranglehold on the division. But does everyone realize these two teams were also the only ones to defeat the Cowboys by a margin greater than a touchdown?
Of the Cowboys eight losses in 2011, five were one possession games that came down to the very end. If the Cowboys had managed to make that one extra first-down on offense, or the defense managed to stop one (of too many) big plays allowed through the air or managed to not let a turnover (like the three against the Giants) slip through their fingers, Dallas would currently be preparing for a playoff game. The same could be said if the special teams had not allowed a blocked punt and field goal at crucial moments in a couple of games. Yes, the season was not a success. But was the first step in Coach Garrett's greater vision realized?
After a shortened offseason to implement his strategy and instill the principles of a new culture at Valley Ranch, Head Coach Jason Garrett seems to have made progress and his process yielded some results, albeit not enough to please most fans. But how would Jason Garrett grade the team's improvement?
One the one hand, his own quote from 2010 when he took over as interim coach would seem to signify some failure. From the first day at the helm, both Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones discussed the need for a culture change within the organization.
"We haven't done things in a way that allows us to win football games," Garrett said. "We need to be more consistent. We need to do the things that contribute to winning."
Jason Garrett began to transform the team immediately, with things as small as installing digital clocks in Valley Ranch to reinforce the need for precision and professionalism, to quicker paced practices with more work in pads. However, the team still lacks consistency, even during the course of a single game much less an entire season, and too often made mental mistakes that did not contribute to winning.
In 2010, the team ranked 27th in penalties (109) and 19th in penalty yards (863). In 2011, the Cowboys ranked 28th in penalties (114) and 12th in penalty yards (816). Coach Garrett often highlighted the importance of poise and confidence and a great deal of work is still needed to ensure a tougher mental fortitude is instilled in the players. Things should improve once the team becomes more familiar with the new defensive schemes and the young offensive-line continues to improve their skills and communication, but most would agree Coach Garrett still has a lot of work to do in this arena.
However, the team did seem to improve in two aspects of football Garrett considered paramount to winning and emphasized in his approach.
First presented by BTB's own OCC...
Excerpt from Garrett's press conference
Q: What are the two or three stats on offense you pay attention to most?
The stats that we emphasize for our football team more than anything else is the turnover differential. The correlation between turnover differential and winning in the NFL is significant. In 2010 it was significant, the last 10 years it's been significant, the last 20 and the last 30. And the players have heard this in meetings over and over and over again.
So turnover differential is significant, and then winning the fourth quarter is significant. There were a lot of games in the NFL that were within one score in the fourth quarter, and the teams that went to the playoffs won a lot of those games. Teams that did not go to the playoffs lost a lot of those games. It's really important to be good in the fourth quarter.
You do that a couple of ways. You have to be in great condition, and you have to be great in situational football. You have to have confidence as an individual player and in your offense, defense and kicking game units.
And then you have to have poise to handle those situations and execute come crunch time. So those are the biggest things we emphasize to our guys.
So how did the Cowboys fair in these emphasized lessons?
For only the third time since 2000, the Dallas Cowboys had a positive turnover differential. However, unlike the previous two instances, the team did not make the playoffs. Last season the Cowboys began with a dreadful turnover ratio but managed to break even by the end of the year. A zero turnover differential would have ranked the Cowboys 17th in the league this season. Instead they were ranked 10th best in the league with a +4 differential which could have easily been better if the Cowboys managed to recover one of the three fumbles that slipped through their hands versus the Giants Week 17.
While the defense actually produced fewer turnovers this season, having forced and recovered 30 in 2010 but only 25 in 2011, the offense greatly reduced their 30 turnovers from 2010 to only 21 in 2011. This is clearly a great improvement by the offense. Perhaps it all comes down to luck, but perhaps Garrett's emphasis was also a reason the offense reduced their turnovers by about 30%.
As for the emphasis of winning in the fourth quarter...the answer may surprise you.
For most of December, NFL analysts harped on the infamous franchise record set by the 2011 Cowboys. In over 50 years of franchise history the Cowboys had lost only 2 games they lead by 12 points in the fourth quarter. In 2011, the team lost three such games. Many would think the Cowboys clearly did not learn the lesson Garrett considered of such import, but in fact, the team improved their fourth-quarter victories in 2011.
| Record | 4th Qrt Record | |
|---|---|---|
| 2010 W. Phillips | 1-7 | 3-4-1 |
| 2010 J. Garrett | 5-3 | 2-3-3 |
| 2011 J. Garrett | 8-8 | 8-6-2 |
In 2010, while led by Wade Phillips, the Cowboys actually lost three games in which they won (outscored their opponents) in the fourth quarter. Their only victory was actually when they tied their opponent in fourth-quarter points. It seems strange until you recall how the team was blown out early in many games and the fourth-quarter points were actually meaningless in what many would call "garbage time." On the other hand, the 2010 Cowboys under Garrett managed to win a few games with early leads though they "lost" the fourth-quarter. The 2010 season continues to boggle the mind, though I will officially lay it to rest after this post.
The 2011 outcomes seem much more rational. Only once did the Cowboys lose a game in which they won the fourth-quarter. Now, this is a strange stat and certainly not to be taken out of context. Obviously, a team that leads by a large margin prior to the fourth-quarter often takes the foot off the pedal when on offense, instead trying to run out the clock. The fact that the Cowboys were in so many close games in 2011 is likely the reason the fourth-quarter victories and actual season record are so similar. However, the lesson is an important one for a team. The game is not over until the final whistle, and the team that remains dominant in the fourth quarter will likely be the victor. While the Cowboys defense is in need of some more lessons in this facet of the game, they should also continue to improve as they become more comfortable with Rob Ryan's schemes and improve their communication when faced by hurry-up offenses. Certainly a full offseason to reap the rewards of the work with renowned strength & conditioning coach Mike Woicik will also be a great benefit. However, it is clear the team did improve in this aspect of the game from 2010 despite the infamous franchise record for those three losses with double-digit fourth-quarter leads.
There is obviously more to discuss when attempting to grade Jason Garrett's performance as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, but it does seem that the team improved in the aspects of the game he emphasized this season. It is also clear the work is far from over...but that is all part of the process.
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Off-Season needs
1. An OC
2. Secondary Help
3. A center
4. OLB
Did I miss anything? Oh yeah a GM!!
Respect the greatness that is the Dallas Cowboys
You'll get 3 out of 5
I’m sure we’ll improve the secondary, and get another pass rusher and center, however, Jerry will remain the GM and Jason the OC. That won’t change.
In Romo we Trust
I was really hoping Norv would get canned in SD...
…I could see JG hiring Norv to be his OC. Maybe next year. Also what do we think about going after Osi in the offseason?? Pair him back up with DWare like back in their college days..? He’s a beast of a pass-rusher…
I couldn't see that at all
No way Garrett wants somebody like Norv running HIS offense…wouldn’t have happened.
Don’t know if Osi could play 3-4 OLB, looks like his natural position is 4-3 DE
In Romo we Trust
IMO
1-OL
2-DL
3-CB
4-LB
"Potential is nothing...Performance is everything". Bill Parcells
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
I just figured that JG wouldn't trust too many people to run HIS offense
but that Norv might be one of the few he would trust, having played for him in Dallas and seeing what he can do with an offense.
In regard to Osi, a 4-3 DE is pretty similar to a 3-4 OLB…both he and DWare played DE in college…something tells me Osi would transition to that role pretty quickly. He sucks at playing the run but he’s a hell of a pass-rusher. And I dont think the Gmen plan to re-sign him.
“Sucks at playing the run”
In a 3-4 defense, the strong OLB is primarily tasked with stopping the run. Osi might be similar to Ware and could play well as the pass rushing weak OLB, but I think he would not be great in Spencer’s current role of stopping the run and covering the flat.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
How bout signing him as a situational pass rusher then?
and only bring him in on obvious passing downs…hes a beast when he gets after the QB…just ask Tony.
Or keep him at DE as one of the guys flanking Ratliff on the line?
What is the OC going to do?
I just dont get the rally call for a new OC. If its because you just want to take some things off of JG’s plate then fine. I get that. But the mistakes he made this year were not due to anything he did as OC. They were mistakes as an HC. I just dont get the whole we need an oc thing. Especially not as the #1 off season need. Thats just crazy.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 5, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
You can pretty much set up a dart board of our needs. BPA strategy should easily fill a need for us.
FA is going to be really important this year if we are to challenge for the Lombardi next season.
The FO must examine this roster with a fine-toothed comb, and get rid of those players, who are either too expensive, too old, too limited with their skills or too unlikely to develop into contributers, thus freeing up as much cap space as possible, and then we can start to address our deficiencied in FA.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
i wouldn't count on Garrett wanting big money FA
sign your own players & if a reasonable deal comes up in FA then possibly explore the option but i really dont see any big name/money FAs coming to Dallas.
not many past super bowl champs have made huge splashes in FA IMO & if you can’t draft, sign undrafted players or 2nd tier FAs then its hard to aquire the talent for the long hual.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Well the past two Super Bowl champs had some pretty big FA contributors.
Jonathan Vilma, Drew Brees, Charles Woodson, and Darren Sharper.
Only Robinson is good enough to resign.
Signing Scandrick to that contract was dumb. Other than Robinson we don’t have any free agents good enough to resign.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Well Scandrick is going to be seeing lots of snaps
As far as the third CB I doubt you’ll find a better one.
Scandrick had to be resigned IMO
T-old is gone, Ball is gone, Walker could be gone. thats already 3 CBs you have to replace. Scandrick is a very good slot corner. he is NOT a pro bowler he doesnt need to be, itd be nice tho. this way Dallas needs 1 starter and 2 backups instead of 2 starters and 2 backups
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Jan 5, 2012 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And he would have been more expensive in FA than during the season.
Going into next season with only Jenkins having been here before is a scary thought.
Oh yeah...
You’ll be able to help the OL by drafting DeCastro, but that still leaves the defense in a lurch. Maybe a guy like Finnegan that should get a fair contract, only a slight overpay. Asomugha’s contract blew up in Philly’s face, Finnegan never had the profile that Asomugha did, and Finnegan has character concerns. Maybe get a DLman and re-sign Robinson and Fiametta. That should be it as far as the bigger FAs.
If they are available, I'd make a play for Campbell or Williams, they're young enough
and they’re both great players. Now Mario would have to be willing to stand up but with D Ware and Mario as bookends, we definitely would be better. Campbell would solve the DE deficiency.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Dunno about Mario
He’s had some scary injuries in the past and getting him to stand up might lead to another good, yet disappointing player.
Well...
There was some boneheaded play calling in the first half, and some boneheaded HC moves in the second. Having both jobs seems like too much for a guy who wants to be the coach of a historically undisciplined team. Getting these guys ready to play on Sunday seems like job enough without having to worry about crafting a game plan for the offense to compete with these exotic defenses. I want Haley. I want a guy who’s going to be a young guy who’s going to get a shot at a HCing job sometime soon. I don’t want an old guy like Norv that could possibly usurp some of Garrett’s authority or a guy that has enough pull (or thinks he has enough pull) to have more say than what he deserves. You don’t want a dysfunctional coaching staff.
So yes, it’s partly because I want to take some responsibility of Garrett’s plate, it’s also because I didn’t exactly love Garrett as OC in the past. I think the play calling and the offense in general can improve. However, I like a lot of Garrett’s philosophies and how he runs the team.
needs
1. Got to have someone besides ware and blitzing to put pressure on the QB. So yes, OLB (or DE) but it’s priority 1
2. A corner first, a safety second
Re: center. Just because the guy can’t snap the ball, run block or pass block?
Galveston Dave
You guys crack me up like Jason Garrett just got on this team
in 2010. He was the assistant head coach for years. The highest paid coordinator in the league for years.
Yet this offense has looked the same for years. Mistakes at key moments.
Mental mistakes. Getting blown out at the end of the year.
Now that he running the show he makes mistakes teenagers don’t make at the end of games playing Madden.
I’ve seen enough.
Garrett is no genius. A genius would know rule #1 of drafting a RB.
“You only draft a RB in the first round if he’s a franchise back.”
So where was Garrett during the Felix Jones pick.
Well he was telling us he liked him because he didn’t mind sharing the ball.
WTF. A first round RB. Are you kidding me.
I would love to know if he was for the Roy Willams trade.
I never heard a word he was against it.
This guy doesn’t know what he’s doing and thinking on his feet does not seem to be one of his strong points.
Garrett never had a decent OL to work with
You give him that and you’ll be changing your tune about him.
In Romo we Trust
when did his offense become the problem?
This is just sad.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 5, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, the offense has been carrying the team for years
Granted, they could be better as they are obviously are limited with a poor OL, but if it wasn’t for the offense, we would have been the NFC East basement cellar dwellers for sure the entire decade
In Romo we Trust
Exactly. Garrett is far from the problem.
"Potential is nothing...Performance is everything". Bill Parcells
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
You guys want an offensive line.
Well your offensive line is Felix Jones and Roy Willams. There is your offensive line.
No one has mentioned Garrett’s input on those two moves.
Did he say no to Jerry we need an OL or did he just get along.
Like he told us the BS about Felix being great because he will share the ball.,
It’s not just all about the offense. Do you guys realize how close we were to losing the Redskins game because Romo almost called a T.O.
Was he told we have no more T.O.
Why couldn’t the kicking team get on the field in time. I guess that’s not the coach on the sidelines having them ready.
It’s like the Cardinals game never happened. Just let the clock run hun. Can’t run one more play hun. The Giants FG disaster never happened.
Process is great but you need a coach that can think on their feet . See Andy Reid. He doesn’t.
This season has been filled with miscue and bad decision after another.
He goes from Mr. aggressive with the Lions. Then goes scared to make a move against the Patriots.
JJ is your coach. He’s in Garrett’s head.
Some people think on their toes if the process breaks down.
Some people don’t.
OL
In his first year as HC during a draft, the Cowboys finally got a 1st round OLineman. As OC, Garrett didn’t have as much say, as HC he managed to get his guy.
People need to stop taking JJ’s and Wade’s mistakes and planting them on Garrett. As for game day decisions, I think it is a lot to ask a first time HC to also be OC.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
And even that's a grotesque oversimplification.
In the 2010 draft JJ had three guys that he’d trade up for: Iupati, Earl Thomas, and Dez. In that order, he viewed a guard as the tenth best player on the team. I think he’s changed quite a bit.
How many o linemen went to the pro bowl in 07 ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Do you remember the offense before 2007?
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
This team was nowhere before ????????????
Oh yea ROMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by cowboy north on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, the O is not the problem. We need OL help, but short of that the nucleus is still there.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Yes, Romo rescued the '06 season but had hit a wall by the end of the season
He’s done well in JG’s offense, unlike Parcells, who was behind the times on offense.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
He's been her how long. Why didn't get JJ to get him one
instead of wasting picks on Felix and Roy.
Garrett wanted Felix but neither Wade nor Garrett run the draft which was the problem..
Wade actually wanted CJ2K but was out voted. i dont think it mattered anyway bc Jerry was already sold on him before the draft. i dont have a problem with coaches swinging & missing but i hate when Jerry throws his 2 cents in on something he has no idea about.
good coaches want good football players more then flashy jersey selling projects.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Jerry wanted him also; he did go to Arkansas!
Also, I wouldn’t say Felix is a wasted pick. He’s a good player; not great, but good. Is the standard that every first round pick should be a future HOF? If that’s the case, then every team sucks at drafting.
I don’t know why JG is being blamed all the sudden for the RW trade.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
The next 5 backs after Felix are better in every way. Felix was a wasted pick.
First rounders should bring far more than what he has. Not hof type but way more than he offers
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
He's been here how long. Why didn't he ask JJ to use those picks
on the OL instead of Roy Williams and Felix.
Cause Jerry likes shiny toys
Like RBs and WRs
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
He's had good luck with wide receivers
Austin, Robinson, Bryant, and Crayton were all pretty good receivers. Sure Crayton wasn’t as good as the other three, but he’s still a good slot receiver. Roy Williams was a pretty huge miss, but other than that I’d say he’s been good with wideouts.
Too many resources tied up in wr. Jerry's pursuit of wr's decimated this team.
You can add ilb to that list also. Jerry is always 1-2 years late on addressing needs for this team. Always.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
The only unwaranted resorces I see is the Roy Williams trade,
am I missing something?
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 5, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
He's also referring to the Joey Galloway trade, perhaps even the Austin extension.
Football Mensa is basically the nagging ex-wife that holds every thing bad you’ve done in the past, no matter how long ago it was, against you like it just happened today. Stared at another woman’s ass ten years ago? Well that just gives rise to Mensa that you’re fooling around on him today. Jerry traded for Joey Galloway years ago trying to squeeze what he could out of the Aikman/Emmitt years? Well that just means that he’s the same guy that ignores the future today, and that was made totally in the same context that exists on the Cowboys roster today.
He also considers when players get hurt that the Jerry should have looked into a crystal ball that whatever flavor of the year team has and seen that this player would have been injured. He also makes up flaws for that player if they’re hurt or have a down year. Either that or he insists that there’s some kind of personality defect that they have because they got injured or had a bad year that Jerry should have seen.
by Omar Little on Jan 5, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You can flip that to the other side of the coin too:
You guys are the nagging ex-wife that bring up the super bowls from over 16 years ago like it happened today. But conveniently forget that Jerry ran Jimmy out of town so he could take over the whole team and hasn’t done jack ish since then. And don’t even mention Switzer. That was pure carry-over.
"I hope you have a big trunk, 'cuz I'm putting my bike in it."
"History is history. Cowboys have a rich history and the Eagles suck." - DIRE WOLF
No one said Jerry's perfect.
However, since Jerry took over the team he’s tied with the Pats for the most Super Bowls. He’s had some problems, but he seems to have fixed most of them. I’m merely saying that he’s had his fair share of successes too, you can point to the failures but every team in the NFL’s made some pretty huge mistakes. No one is perfect.
I don't want perfect. I do want more than 1 playoff win in 16 years.
The Lions are the only NFC team with less playoff wins in that time. Are you happy with being on par with the Lions?
Think about that. All the NFC West and South teams have more playoff wins than us. That is unacceptable and frankly, I don’t give a damn that Jerry lucked his way into his superbowls over 16 years ago. His performance since then shows more about his ability to run football operations than the SB’s back then.
"I hope you have a big trunk, 'cuz I'm putting my bike in it."
"History is history. Cowboys have a rich history and the Eagles suck." - DIRE WOLF
Total luck, right?
So Jerry didn’t run into bad luck when Patrick Crayton dropped a TD in the endzone? Or Tony Romo managed to screw up holding a field goal? That’s on Jerry too?
No. But again, you are talking about 2 one and done games out of 16 years.
I want a pattern of playoff wins like the Cowboys used to have.
Jerry has spent all the credit he earned with the ’90’s SBs.That debit card is empty. It is time for Jerry to earn his credit back again.
"I hope you have a big trunk, 'cuz I'm putting my bike in it."
"History is history. Cowboys have a rich history and the Eagles suck." - DIRE WOLF
Stay on the train......LOL
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Meh Jimmy left on his own
Jimmy was planning on leaving, he accomplished what he wanted, and never likes staying at places long.
The beach and boat were his siren song and he left
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
2 first a third and a sixth for one wr that is on the team.
Austin was overpaid. He has never proven able to stay healthy. Which affects the salary cap. Too many resources. Some of that should have been spent on other position groups. I love Dez but what good does it do you when your qb is getting killed ? What good does a wr do you when your db’s suck ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Well ask the Saints
They have good WRs and their DBs suck…they’re doing quite well. Besides who was the guy they should have taken? Saffold? Jerry knew he needed OL help but took the best player that he could acquire, the next year he took Tyron Smith who’s better than any 2010 OT.
LOL @ comparing the Saints to Dallas.
You wish Dallas were the Saints right now. The Saints have drafted o line. They are in the playoffs and recently won a superbowl. I will go there all day long with you. They used some premium picks on the o line. Dallas has used 1 in the last 25 years. LMAO> Brilliant comaprison. LOL.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
You asked what good receivers are when the DBs suck
There’s plenty of teams with bad DBs and good WRs that do quite well, the Saints are just one of them. You’re killing Jerry for not going OL with the Dez pick, even though Dez is a beast. You’re not even providing the guy that Jerry should have drafted instead of Dez. One premium pick on the OL in the last 25 years? What? Andre Gurode and Larry Allen weren’t premium picks? So a guy has to be taken in the first in order to be a premium pick? What about the Leonard Davis signing? That’s not placing a premium on OL help? Please. It’s like you’re so aggressively wrong.
Signing free agnets because u suck so bad at drafting o linemen is bad.
Kosier too. LOL. Jerry has failed in building the o line. The team is paying for it now. But you will always be one that no matter what Jerry does you are good with it. LOL . I will admit you make me laugh.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
There's far worse OLs than Dallas.
The OL’s far better than it was in the past. So what did the Saints have to sign Drew Brees because they suck so much at developing the most important position on the team? There’s nothing wrong with using free agency to acquire talent, every team does it or has benefitted from it in the past.
Furthermore, there’s plenty of moves that Jerry made that I didn’t like. Roy Williams was one that just turned out absolutely terrible, trading up for Spencer I didn’t like either. Not because I didn’t like Spencer, but because I thought he was good…just not good enough to trade up for. Not firing Wade after 44-6 tops the list, though.
Well they did take an injured Rodger from USC in the second round under Bill.
And if u can believe this they cut him because he was always injured and couldn’t play no more. That’s brilliant . You don’t draft o linemen with injured shoulders.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
You have got to be kidding. As the OC how much sway did you think JG had at that time? JJ was still calling all the shots.
Even though he talks the committee approach, he made the final decisions.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
The Roy Williams trade was straight dumb.
I don’t think you have to worry about that happening again, it’s like a once in a lifetime terrible move. Much like we won’t see another Emmitt Smith on this team, we also won’t see a move that dumb again. I’m fairly confident in that. He’s drafting OL help now, isn’t that what matters? Shouldn’t we weight his recent decisions more than his past decisions? I don’t think a Chan Gailey, Wade Phillips, or Dave Campo type will be head coach anytime soon. I don’t think Jerry will be giving a player like TO as much slack as he did before again either.
Disagree. The Galloway trade was just as dumb. Jerry was trying to retool.
Retooling has never worked in Dallas. Dallas missed out on 2 high draft picks that could have been cornerstones for this team. One of those picks was Shaun Alexander. Nah we couldn’t have used a perennial 1000 yard rusher.
The other pick was used ironically on a wr. Coulda went o line with that pick or d line.
When u see Jerry on the sideline telling the coach what to do there is nothing that tells me that Jerry has or will change.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Joey Galloway had several average to good years after the trade. Roy Williams has had zero. Besides, Jerry was trying to squeeze another ring out of two legends on the team, can’t blame him for that. That was also what? 10 years ago? Stop acting like it just happened and get over it. Everyone makes bad moves, EVERYONE.
Ya he was so good they traded him to Tampa Bay for a worse wr.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Which was under the Parcells regime. I do blame Bill for that one though.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Since the trade he racked up approx. 5K receiving yards...
Roy Williams is younger and probably won’t touch that.
Good. He didn't do it for Dallas.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
He had just under half of that with Dallas.
Approx 2300 yards, in a context where a thousand yards for a receiver actually meant something.
THe Galloway trade was just as dumb as the RW trade
Giving up two first rounders is idiotic in almost every situation. JJ needs a Parcells or even a JG to have some authority and keep Jerry from committing the occasional boneheaded move.
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Good, I want Houck gone and Joe D they just aren't getting results or finding solutions.
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"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
and dont leave out Campo
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"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
oh yes defn campo
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Houck might retire
Someone on NFL Network said it, might have been Albert Breer but I can’t recall.
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somebody said
Joe D wants the Jags HC post. Just don’t let him near the special teams.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 5, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Good take campo, houck and I am starting to think Ryan with him
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Dude...
Ryan’s been here ONE year and he didn’t have an offseason. Terrence Newman was one of his starting CBs and Anthony Spencer was his second best pass rusher. I can’t think of a single defensive coordinator that could have success with that.
well people say he needs a shutdown corner to be successful
so i say find that door because Dick is doing just fine in Pitt.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Really Ham?
C’mon you’re better than that. While Dick LeBeau doesn’t have a lockdown corner he also doesn’t have one as bad as Newman. He also has Polamalu and Clark, who are upgrades over Elam and Sensabaugh, and Harrison, Timmons, Farrior, and Woodley as his LB corps along with Casey Hampton and Brent Keisel on the DL. You give Rob those two safeties, Keisel and Hampton, Farrior over Brooking/Bradie, Woodley over Spencer and see what happens.
Besides, lets say Dick LeBeau is a better d-coordinator than Rob, which he probably is in all honesty, does that mean Rob’s some how defective in any way? What he has to be as good as the best defensive coordinator in years in order to be worthy of being on the coaching staff? Please. LeBeau has an legit HoF claim as a COORDINATOR, he wasn’t much of a head coach but the man can run a defense.
Furthermore, anyone who doesn’t think that they’ve improved is a fool. They’re 14th in total defense and they were 23rd last year. 16th in scoring defense and 23rd last year, which is pretty good considering the bad special teams play. They’re 16th in defensive DVOA (advanced total defensive metric) and were 27th last year. Rob’s doing just fine. The defense needs to improve, but I don’t think they’ll do better than Rob.
Im just harping on the shutdown corner part Idk im stuck on it
You are probably right. I still think pass rush > secondary
At the end of the day I have no say and Ill cheer for them the same. Ill still predict them to go 13-3 too.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
In this context yeah...probably
Cornerbacks aren’t allowed to cover WRs. I’d rather have DeMarcus Ware than Darrelle Revis, but then again I’d probably rather have Leon Hall than Anthony Spencer. Would I rather have Jason Pierre Paul than Darrelle Reivs? I dunno, maybe.
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"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Our biggest problems are ... the eagles and the giants...
we looked fairly overmatched in all four games we played. the home game vs the giants was an offensive battle and our best showing. but we still seemed off our heels.
the giants and eagles stockpile pass rushers and WRs because … we can’t block for romo and we can’t cover. we need to start drafting players and crafting our team to get out of our division first.
plus, i’m tired of getting punked by those dudes, especially at home. we need to develop tough, physical, nasty players who will take guys like jacobs, tuck, eli, vick and desean jackson and put them on their @$$. We have guys who compete. But we need guys who are ready to dominate. ware, romo, dez, murray, witten. they need some help.
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well said Tuna
We have to get DBs who can cover and/or pass rushers plus a better OL for sure
In Romo we Trust
Great points...
and that’s been part of my frustration as well. Target the teams in your division first! When we were on top in 2009, every team knew that it had to get better with putting pressure on Romo—who was again coming into his own as an elite QB.
What did we do? Nothing in the way of helping D-Ware out except resigning JAGs. And our moves on the O-line, while needing to get younger, didn’t focus on the core strength that would be needed in addition to mobility. And the secondary speaks for itself.
An enitre off-season, the addition of Sparano’s fire (in helping the O-line whether Houck remains or not…and helping Grarrett’s OC-approach), letting Campo go, and drafting (and thru FA) to improve the trenches and secondary should do the trick to get us among the elite again.
Another reason why I like DeCastro
He’s not only one of the best OL prospects in recent memory, he’s also one of the meanest. If the rest of the OL adopts his attitude you’ll start seeing more pass rushers getting hit than pass rushers hitting people.
You want that type of guy
you take Vontaze Burfict at 14 move him to OLB. The guy is nasty, yes is careless at times and can attract flags, he is a gamer with that streak the team could use. Just my opinion
by BWAREofDWARE94 on Jan 5, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Or...
You can take the guy that already plays a position of need and is BETTER at it than Vontaze. DeCastro’s a worlds better guard than Vontaze is an ILB, moving him away from his natural position? Foolish.
When I look at this years team.........
I think of the Ray Charles song “Born to Lose”.This years team was all about clearing the shinola JJ and Wade created and getting under the salary cap for next year.
I don’t think many coaches would have done much better than Garrett with the bunch of assclowns he had to work with.
Almost every poster on this blog knows what must be done to make this team competative and as they say, JJ just do it.
Yeah you got to get rid of some of your pet cats and shut your pie hole.
by TCB Orange Dino on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 AM CST reply actions
I like this
comment…as I believe the same although as the season went on I lost sight of this fact. Last years draft as it stands now was a good draft and can be an even bigger success is Bruce Carter does what I know he can do, also if Nagy and Arkin develop into good depth at the Guard spot for us…..this past draft also for the first time in many years did not look like a Jerry painting it looked like someone else’s work.
by BWAREofDWARE94 on Jan 5, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Has anyone heard anything on Jayron Hosley (spelling?)
CB out of Virginia Tech…. I was impressed with his ball skills in the BCS game against Mich. Of course it was Denard Robinson throwing the ball….
Season is for show, playoffs are for dough.
I saw that game
He looked good, we should probably ask Chia about him and what he thinks but this is who your talking about.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/players/181174
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that kid is a beast & can cover anyone.
he is on the short side but verticle is outstanding. the kid can cover, get INTs & return punts.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I really like him. This draft is deep at CB.
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does anyone know where Hosley is projected to go?
that kid is special.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
He'd have to be there in the third round for us to draft him.
"Potential is nothing...Performance is everything". Bill Parcells
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
He may have snuck into combine with that performance.
He’s pretty far down the list as far as CBs go. He’s probably in that third tier of players.
Hosely will go second round at worst.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
He is a top 5 CB in a great CB draft class
1.Claiborne (LSU)
2.Kirkpatrick(Bama)
3.Dennard (NB)
4.Hosley (VT)
5.Gilmore (SC)
All of these guys along with Janoris Jenkins and Chase Minnifield will go in the first two rounds(unless something major happens at the combine), and all I know is the Cowboys better have one of them.
Mike Woicik
Excellent point about Mike Woicik. Looking back 5 or 6 years from now he might be the most important addition of this last offseason. It is a shame he didn’t get a chance to put all the players in a full program – especially the young OL and some of the old guys like Newman.
or stupid!
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
or overpaid
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I'm not saying reach, but all things equal or close the #14 pick needs to be a CB.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
That's fine, but don't leave a stud CB on the table.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
What if DeCastro is there?
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Take him!
Ultimately its whoever the Cowboys have rated the highest, but at this moment in my limited draft knowledge I would say itll be easier to make us a powerhouse offense (pat, gb) style then fix the defense in one year.
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by thebigham on Jan 5, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It took Jerry 20 years to take an OT in the 1st round, I think you're dreaming.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Jerry saw Romo get killed again this year
I think he finally sees the light with OL
In Romo we Trust
Jerry thinks he can get OG on the cheap, draft a butt load of 'em late and maybe one of em will stick.
Centers the same.
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Maybe he learned last year by taking Tyron.
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"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
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i think Claiborne is the only true stud blue chip cb out there...
The rest of the guys pretty much is the same
by lostar2009 on Jan 5, 2012 1:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where do you think the Kid from Baylor will go?
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RG III?
i doubt he gets past the Redskins
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
What's worse?
Skins take RG3 or Blackmon?
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RG3
Right now, QB is their biggest weakness. As long as the Skins have Sexy Rexy, they will be an interception throwing machine (except for when they play Dallas). Sexy Rexy throwing the ball to any team he’s not on helps the Skins lose games, which makes me happy. Give them a good QB, and they become a much more dangerous team.
Regardless
Skins could have a really good team next year. They have a really good D. with a little help on offense you never know. Its all a gamble. They could get blackmon and flynn and it works or it doesnt who knows but thats the fun of the NFL
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I think the Rams would be smart to go either Blackmon or Khalil(sp?)
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
But what if the BPA is not a CB?
Personally I would try to get a pass rusher but I would go with BPA on defense.
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Is Dwayne Goodrich available?
Ooooo, never mind.
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
He sure is
he’s actually out of jail now.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
i was about to say that...dude had 1 good game at Tenn
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I'm impressed you actually know that he is out of jail.
"Potential is nothing...Performance is everything". Bill Parcells
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
I think Morris Claiborne and Dre Kirkpatrick will be gone by then
From what ive seen those are the only two cb’s worth a top 20 pick. I like the idea of addressing the secondary in free agency and drafting a mean s.o.b pass rusher or road grader guard with the 14th pick.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen the free agency list yet.
I know Courtland Finnegan is available. And to me, he fits Rob Ryans defense to a tee. But either way, like you said, you just can’t reach at the #14 spot.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 5, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Agree, go BPA and don't look back. We'll fill a need.
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Sleeper CB
to watch for….Charles Brown out of UNC…the guy has a nose for the ball he is 5’10 205…runs 4.49 40 time….not the most explosive athlete just has a knack to make plays…could add good depth.
by BWAREofDWARE94 on Jan 5, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
not really, you got guys like finnegan and grimes out there
You will defenitely over pay for these guys. You can just draft them and get them cheaper.
by lostar2009 on Jan 5, 2012 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Finnegan is not the RKG
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
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Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
Grimes is already 29.
If your going to sign a defensive gree agent it needs to b on the line. That is where we need some experienced help.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
free agent , too ...lol
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well you're both right and wrong at the same time
You can draft these guys for cheaper, but you only have so many picks. So you’ll either:
A.) Need to do without addressing needs on your team
or
B.) Over pay for a free agent.
So yes they are cheaper through the draft, but they come at the cost of ignoring another need on your team, you draft Dre Kirkpatrick or Alonzo Dennard you don’t get a David DeCastro, Bruce Irvin, or a Melvin Ingram. Carl Nicks looks like he’ll get the biggest deal of the offseason, so if you want to upgrade at guard DeCastro looks like the way to go. If you’re comfortable waiting until 2014 for this team to be ready, then you can fill every need through the draft. Otherwise you’ll have to pay the FA premium. Now you can get away with overpaying a guy a little bit so long as there’s only two or three guys like that on the roster. I doubt Finnegan will get a huge ZOMG contract. He has character concerns, and a lot of CB contracts have blown up in their teams’ face. Especially the Asomugha contract handed out last year. Newman made 10 mill last year and Asomugha made 12 mill. I don’t think he’ll be making quite that much. I think you can get him on a good deal.
really?
Elite defenses are getting by with no name corners, why? Because pass rush is king. Not saying CB doesn’t need addressed by this team needs better pass rushers bad.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
So true, but our CB play the last month of the year was back of no name.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Yeah.. It will be much discussed over the next 5 months.
Wooo whooo!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Remember, for Ryan's D to run on all 8, he needs shut down CBs
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then maybe we shouldn't run Ryans D.
I’d rather be the Steelers D then than Jets. And what shutdown corner did Rex has in the 2000s with Baltimore?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Agreed, if you remember I was not on the Ryan bandwagon when he got hired.
I said then our personal doesn’t fit his schemes.
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I don't remember anything haha
But I saw some other articles saying about Ryan D needing a shutdown corner recently, and the first two things popped in my head,
Who did he have in Baltimore ?
And the defenses that are constantly the best don’t have a “shutdown” corner.
So yeah if he needs a shutdown corner then maybe he should goto Tampa Bay or something.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Why do you need a shut down corner? The Jets have one, and if you ask Cromartie two, and their D
was uninspiring this year. Without a pass rush, you’re screwed, shut down corner or not. RR’s scheme is based on confusion to pressure the QB. He doesn’t expect his CBs to cover their man for 4-6 seconds. Am I missing something?
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Thats the thing going around
Saying Ryan D can only be successful with a shutdown corner.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I just don't get it.
How many shut down corners are there in the NFL? Revis is the only one, maybe Peterson of the Cards will become one, but the Jets D sucked without a pass rush.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Idk
I forget where I saw it originally maybe Dire can point us to the article.
But either way if thats the case, then Ryan can find the door.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Actually it was talked about on here and Broaddus said his scheme wasn't well suited for our personal.
Ryan in his interview said Jenkins and T-New were great CBs and they would work great in his D. He was trying to get hired, so I’m sure he pumped Jerry full of sh!t.
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bingo +100000000
look at the Giants having all those great pass rusher compared to the Jets with 2 of the best Cbs in the NFL. if thats not enough to make ya want another OLB to pair up with Ware or a DL that can get pressure up the middle then i don’t know what will.
Pass rush, Pass rush, Pass rush!
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
look at the steelers & there the role model for defense but dont have shutdown DBs.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Oh I know
I became a huge fan of Dick LeBeau after seeing him get inducted in the HOF.
Its weird if I was a D coach I would just devote all my time to copying what he does, there is plenty of film to figure it out. I guess its a pride thing? Idk.
But I would kill for someone from his tree to coach for us.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
The Steelers do have a playmaker at safety though. Dallas doesn't have anything.
The Ravens have Ed Reed at safety he too is a playmaker. You don’t need 2 Deion’s at cb but you do need a playmaker in the secondary.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
"Shutdown" is overused
we know it.
but Chris McAllister (sp?) was a great CB for Balitmore.
"Energizing the process, or turning it upside-down, fans now participate, writing blogs and posting comments and videos [...] the dialogue is to discourse what road rage is to driving." -Mark Heisler
He was.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Chris Macallister
"Energizing the process, or turning it upside-down, fans now participate, writing blogs and posting comments and videos [...] the dialogue is to discourse what road rage is to driving." -Mark Heisler
Too much movement in RR's d.
I confuses the d. Seems there is always a d lineman or lb out of position.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe all he needs is 3 or 4 CBs that can cover.
Maybe “shut down” is not realistic.
Ok, 120-120 in fifteen years is pretty mediocre.
Go BPA. If there is a stud DE pass rusher and a mediocre CB available
get the DE. There is still free agency and other rounds in the draft.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
IMO, the most pressing problem is in the secondary, mainly cb.
If you going to spend some money, we’ve got to get a quality cb. I hate knowing that we simply cannot cover ANY passing play, whether its over the middle, a dump pass or a long ball. How many times do we have to see a Newman get beat for 40-50 yards at a time, in one game, before a REAL cb is brought in to stop it? I think Mike Jenkins will be okay but the rest of ’em have to go.
Until the secondary is fixed, getting another pass rusher or OL will leave us vulnerable in the passing game. You are reduced to trying score 30 or more points in a game rather than having a decent defense to stop the other team. We all saw how that worked out this season.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
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Another pass rusher?
You act as if we have three of them. I only truly know of the Cowboys having Ware. Care to enlighten?
I said....
UNTIL we fix the secondary, getting another pass rusher or OL will STILL leave us vulnerable in the passing game on the D.
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oh okay.....I understand
yeah, we do only have Ware…BUT, you fix the broken secondary, it will create more coverage sacks…..and than means a QB holding the ball longer and giving Ware & co MORE time to get there.
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I see it in reverse.
Less time to throw, more poor passes, more interceptions. Not saying we don’t need better CBs, but they don’t have to be pro-bowlers if you can get a pass rush that even just hurries the QB. I’m not even so worried about sacks, they are just bonuses.
Don't forget the strip-sack-fumble.
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"History is history. Cowboys have a rich history and the Eagles suck." - DIRE WOLF
pressure on QB is the only sure way to force mistakes by an offense.
WRs can beat double coverage these days so getting to the QB is at a premeium. just look at the Giants & how much success they have against us with that pass rush. look at the Jets with possibly the best tandem of CBs & it just doesnt work in the long run.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Bye the way
Here is the blue print to beating the Giants. Never huddle, call all your plays at the line. This stops them from rotating fresh D linemen, that is the strenght of their team. Yes the Cowboys did go to this, in the third quarter and it worked very well. Who knew?
I think that is the strength of our offense.
Romo no huddle calling plays, making stuff up etc etc.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I was struck by the comments about penalties. With his emphasis on improvement,
JG doesn’t appear to have made much of an impact over last season. I wonder if you have a breakdown in the kinds of penaties which might differentiate the mental lapse variety, ie., false start, delay of game, versus the skill-deficiency variety, such as holding or pass interference. It would seem that there were fewer of the mental lapse variety, JG has made a significant impact. If the mayority of the penalties are related to skill deficiencies, then better personnel should cut down on this stat.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
But you could say false start/offsides can be attributed to skill deficiency too
Because you need any advantage you can get to beat the other guy.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
If you look at the breakdowns
The Cowboys actually had more penalties than last year, yet fewer penalty yards. To me that indicates more of the false starts, defensive holding & offsides penalties and less of the personal foul, holding & pass interference ones. The false starts can be attributed to the young offensive line, and Witten always seems to have his share, so does Ware with the offsides. That looks like improvement, granted minimal, but still improvement.
She says she knows you.
Worst thing about the penalties...
Doug Free for the second year in a row leads all offensive linemen in penalties. Seems the move to LT has made him jumpy to keep up with pass rushers.
The drop in penalty yards seems to be a direct relation with fewer PI calls on the defense.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
"direct relation with fewer PI calls on the defense"
HAHAHA. Is that because our guys weren’t even close enough to interfere? Sorry.
HAHAHA
Could be…tough to PI when you blow your coverage assignment
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
WalterFootball Mock
The Website WalterFootball.com has its 4 round mock out. I just thought I would post the four Cowboys picks. Here they are:
#14 David Decastro, OG, Stanford
#45 Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
#82 Kendall Reyes, DE/DT, Connecticutt
- Donte Page-Moss, DE/OLB, North Carolina
What do fellow Cowboys fans thinks? I like it. Don’t know much about Reyes and Moss is a bit of a knucklehead.
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
#113 Donte Paige-Moss, DE/DT, North Carolina
don’t know what happened there,
Cut!
No. No. No, man.
You're making me fall asleep,
to death bro! -Ghandi
by TexasGarcia37 on Jan 5, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Bruce Carter said Moss is a stud. Also said he needs to grow up.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
He tore his ACL in their bowl game a week or so ago. That will drop him at least 1 round.
He was the starter last year until Coples broke out and passed him up, so he was the backup this year.
Oh gawd no! Please, no more injury, "value" picks we need to wait a year on.
"I hope you have a big trunk, 'cuz I'm putting my bike in it."
"History is history. Cowboys have a rich history and the Eagles suck." - DIRE WOLF
I'll take that in the first three rounds.
Chia will have to fill us in on Moss.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Gilmore declared today. We still have to wait and see who comes out.
Jeffery also declared. I hope he goes top 10 and pushes someone down. Gotta think the Rams and Skins will be looking at wr. I think RG3 goes to Cleveland.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 5, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well for a 4th rounder you can do a lot worse than Moss.
Basically the way I view the later rounds is basically this:
A.) Take a back up. Nothing wrong with that, There’s 53 men on the roster and 22 starters. You need quality back ups and package players.
B.) Take a risk, whether it be injury, character, or “can this guy make it in the NFL” risk and see what happens. Chris Canty, Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs, and Justin Tuck all turned out pretty well. They were some pretty risky players, all had concerns of some type, but they’ve turned into good NFL players.
C.) Take a player you like and see what happens. There’s always going to be players that your scouts miss. Witten was a third rounder, Romo and Austin were undrafted, and Ratliff was a 7th rounder.
Moss fits into the “B” category. However, he has injury and character concerns. He had ACL surgery and he threw a fit after UNC lost their bowl game lashed out at the coaches and fans and told everyone he was out via Twitter. He also has lack of game tape as a junior. As a sophomore he had 77 tackles, 7 sacks, and 13.5 TFLs, as a Junior he had two sacks and four TFLs. He’s probably a 6th or a 7th round pick, definitely not a fourth. Garrett and Rob won’t go near him with a 4th.
Gilmore is solid, ready for the next step, he had a pretty productive junior season and played okay as a sophomore. Reyes I like quite a bit, but not as a third rounder. Good DT, 34 end type. He’s a good athlete but he needs to get a lot lower, and work on a few things. I’d be pretty happy with the first two picks though, and even though I think a third is a bit too high for Reyes he’d get his fair share of snaps as a rookie.
Hey one thing is for sure we don't need to draft a kicker!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
For now..
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Side note
wtf is wrong with this website?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
haha how are they still in business with errors like that
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
When the O-Line is bad, people blame the QB
When the pass rush is bad, people blame the secondary. If there’s a truly eilte CB at #14, I’m fine picking him. Otherwise, give me a killer pass rusher and grab some CBs in free agency and later in the draft.
by AikmanGeneration on Jan 5, 2012 1:43 PM CST reply actions
Another thing.....
Sean Lee value pick, worked out. Bruce Carter value pick, may work out. All good, but please Jerry, for the love of all things good, don’t do that this year though. We need people that can play the day(s) of the draft.
Chances are better though, when......
NOT spending a second round draft pick on a guy that you KNOW won’t be able to. How long was Carter on the PUP list?
Pass Rush vs. Secondary
The Cowboys were Top 10 in sacks in 2011…and that was with many QBs tearing up the defense by getting rid of the ball in under 3 seconds.
I think the secondary is in far greater need of better talent than the Cowboys pass rush. If the QBs didn’t find blown coverage or an open receiver in under 3 seconds, the Cowboys would have likely been in the Top 5 in sacks.
A defense needs both, but the Cowboys seem to need much more help in the secondary than pass rush.
Also, for OL, the Cowboys rank 18th in sacks allowed, and quite a few were because Romo held onto the ball for a long time. OL is not as high a need as it was last season, especially with some of the young guys (expected) to improve.
I would say Secondary, ILB, DL should be the highest priorities in the draft and free agency.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
The offense would be truly elite with a better OL
in terms of better run blocking and protecting Romo. True, a few times Romo held on to the ball long but thats because he was looking for a play downfield, most of the time it was jailbreak though.
If he wasn’t a true jedi knight, the OL would have been ranked a lot lower than 18.
In Romo we Trust
how many of those sacks where when the game was out of control?
i agree the secondary but look no farther then the Giants to see what a great pass rush can do. also when you have a rare talent like Dware you should be in the top 10 by default but to say this pass rush is good doesn’t make any sense.
how many times did everyone see the QB step up only to watch the OT’s push the Dallas pass rushers up the field.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
im getting tired watching replays of the game watching TNew and Scandrick get burned daily
This team has only one servicable CB on their roster just one … This team need 2 starting Cbs and 2 Cbs that is at least better than who we have now.
by lostar2009 on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
team only has 1 pass rusher too.
i’m sure its true this team needs both pass rushers & help in the secondary but if the front 7 isn’t right then the back end doesn’t matter. they cant keep jumping around trying to build this defense. the most important part of football is in the trenches & even great QBs can look mediocre with bad OL. the same can be said for secondarys if the pass rush isnt there. also Jerrys resigned 1 CB & 1 safety so outside of a draft pick i cant see much more $ going into the backend
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
by DCNation73 on Jan 5, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
As I mentioned before, you strengthen the secondary by adding ball hawk CB’s and maybe another safety that will create coverage problems for both WR’s and QB’s. It forces the qb to hold the ball longer and allows MORE time for your superstar DL and LB’s to get to the qb. It also forces the offense to rely on the run more than they might otherwise want to.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
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I think thats backwards.
Look at the top defenses man, the blueprint is there. Because one good corner or safety they can just throw it the other way. But what is the QB going to do with 3 great guys rushing the passer and 1 other avg guy? Nothing, hurry a throw at best. Those 3 guys will always be able to rush the passer and can’t all be double teamed.
Where as a great corner can just be put on a decoy while they move their best WRs around.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I agree
Battle in the trenches, a great pass rush will help a defense more than a shutdown corner.
However, the Cowboys pass rush is far better than it’s secondary at this moment. If we could get a secondary that doens’t allow a receiver to get open in under 3 seconds, then our pass rush would be even better.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
I just said that lol
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
I think that is fools gold
Our pass rush isn’t that good. We get almost zero push up the middle and if Ware isn’t there good luck. I have seen far more times the QB taking all day to throw vs throwing it quickly.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
there's no option to recommend this post
At least on my kindle. Great take on Garrett.
Galveston Dave
by jdg4660 on Jan 5, 2012 4:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Finishing 8-8, 2 games better than last season and beating
only 1 team with a winning record would appear to most everyone as NOT having a successful year. But if we are only going to look at those things “other than winning games” then yea, Garrett killed it. So when does Garrett start focusing on winning games. Is next year too soon? How long is “the process” going to take? Oh, I know, if we bring home a Lombardi in 2017, it took that long.
"Hope is not a strategy" Billy Beane
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
Pass Rush vs. Secondary Coverage?
It’s not an either/or proposition. It’s a both/and. We need both better pass rush and corners who can cover. You find ’em and build the defense as fast as possible.
But BPA at #14.
Ok, 120-120 in fifteen years is pretty mediocre.
true but the question is...which one do you get first?
I say CB….because as I’ve said it earlier, until our secondary is fixed and we are no longer vulnerable in the passing game, then our pass rush, such as it is, will continue to be mediocre. Not saying Ware is mediocre but that our secondary makes the pass rush mediocre. Fix the secondary and it does nothing but help the entire defense.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
I've been saying this for years.
They need a CB.
But if you can get a Top safety your entire secondary becomes better.
The Ravens and Steelers have average CB’s but the one thing they both have is a Safety that can make plays and erase their mistakes.
Out of the last 10 Superbowl champs only one did not have a top flight safety.
The NY Giants. Everyone else had a safety at the top of their game.
The Packers safety put 6 on the board last year.
You have to have that top flight safety. Sharper turned the Saints defense into a turnover machine.
I was dying for us to sign him that year.
+1
The importance of a safety is often overlooked. I would rather the Cowboys get the next Ed Reed or Polomalu than the next Revis.
"I am a true believer. Anthony Spencer will have 7 or more sacks in 2011 and David Arkin can ball!" - Kegbearer
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Now on twitter: @kegbearerBTB
Gotta disagree with you there...
I’d rather have Revis and an average safety like Sensabaugh, than Reed/Polomalu and an average corner.
no freaking way
Give me reed/troy vs revis any day and all day. Look at what they do, esp troy do you see how he plays in the box amazing and in coverage and you never know which.
See the teams that have reed and troy maybe its scheme maybe its a lot of things but those defense are amazing.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Noooo...
Revis takes a player out of the game. Polamalu and Reed may do more things, but I don’t think the sum of what they do is as valuable as taking a player out of a game. Revis allows Rex to roll coverage the other way to a weaker corner and allow lesser corners to experience success better than what they’re capable of because of his elite play. Those defenses are amazing but the Steelers also have James Harrison, James Farrior, LaMarr Woodley, Casey Hampton, Brett Kiesel, and Aaron Smith. Every one of those guys could immediately start over any Jet at their respective positon, they’re all very good if not elite players, who’s the second best Jet defender? Look at the Ravens too: Ray Lewis (best LB of all time), Terrell Suggs, and Haloti Ngata, all those guys are upgrades over every Jet defender too. Hell you put Ngata on this defense and kick Rat to the end and you’ll probably see a top ten defense. Yes, Polamalu and Reed make their defenses better, but their defenses are not elite because they have them instead of Revis.
The JETS D is nothing without Leonard
Safety is truly underrated and an elite safety playing centerfield or in the box or roaming all over the place is more valuable than a shutdown corner who only effects one player.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I dunno...
Leonard is probably their second best player, either him or David Harris, but he doesn’t make that defense go. Revis does. The uses of safety you’re talking about: playing back and in the box. Are pretty much just there if someone else blows their assignment. The Jets defense is allowed to put Leonard over up on Cromartie or Wilson because Revis has his man locked down. Everything that defense does runs through Revis. They don’t have much of a pass rush yet still they have a good passing D. Without Revis, Leonard is nothing, he’d be useless if they had two Cromarties back there in coverage.
Ray Lewis is not the best LB of all time Omar
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Tell that to Butkus, Taylor, Lambert, and Singletary
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Hell, tell that to DeMarcus Ware!
"Potential is nothing...Performance is everything". Bill Parcells
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
And Sean Lee!
One can dream right
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
As long as Newman is GONE....
I’m game. You get a great safety back there that KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS which coverage should be called and gets everyone back there in the right place…..then we may have a defense again.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Inducted in Cowboys Ring of Honor 2011 FINALLY!!!!!!!
Onbaord with the safety
I really wanted Dawkins when he left Philly. He could have been the difference maker… For a litlte while anyway.. It sure would have helped in the Minnesota playoff game when old Favre was carving us up..lol.
2nd. place is just the 1st. loser.
from 2010 to 2011
if we extrapolated from the limited number of games romo played in 2010 to the still incomplete season he played in 2011, would the number of times he got sacked go up or down? Progress, the system, whatever, you cant win with your star quarterback on the ground or injured on the sideline. all this talk about only the defense needing to improve defense is so blah, blah, blah. so 2000’s. no qb, no points, no victory. simple as that. ask the saints, pats, and packers how they win games.
get an offensive line and protect romo!
quit concentrating on what cb’s or safeties or pass rushers are available. worry about them later. 1st and foremost, GET A STUD OFFENSIVE LINEMAN or two, and dont hope and pray we can find one in the draft will work out. in a few more years, romo will have suffered too many injuries by being thrown to the ground to be effective. then what good will austin, witten, robinson, and bryant be? look at the big picture, guys. no qb, no points, no victories.
Really?
Listening to what? Garrett is NOT a HC, nor is he an OC. Norv was in line for the HC job in Dallas but told Al Davis Jr that Garrett wasn’t ready to be an OC so Al Jr passed Norv by… why? Because he knew Norv wouldn’t be his “YES” man… I don’t blame him.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE with any credibility nor talent would want to coach this mess. Al Davis Jr has created a NO WIN situation here… it won’t improve until he’s gone.
SO NO they aren’t listening to Garrett.. why? Because they know they don’t have to…
You're a moron.
"Potential is nothing...Performance is everything". Bill Parcells
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
Terry's on to something... this teams OL does suck... in key games they always look bad
you couldn’t say that of any of our championship teams… you need great OL play to win big games… our OG’s suck and Tyron Smith needs to be the LT. I’d like to see Costa stay at C… but he needs a veteran backup and a Kosier beside him.
Kosier is in bad shape… we need another high draft pick at OL, this time an OG.
yup yup yup
Wow, 4 months to go and I am already sold on a guy! DeCastro!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
the cowboys need so much work it's hard to begin in one place!
where is the pass rush? where are the defensive backs Romo is inconsistent at best and a choke artist in big games. How embarassing this team is. What is with all the penalties? I HATE SLOPPY FOOTBALL. Terrible coaching is responsible.
I don’t know about you guys but this cowboys fan cannot watch this team anymore! Way too frustrating to watch. JJ needs to retire or sell the team to someone who is interested in making a winner….but sadly he will never see the light because his big head is blocking the sun.

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