The Disgustingly, Ridiculously Too Early Cowboys Mock Draft Round Up
by KD Drummond on Jan 6, 2012 7:00 PM CST
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PrintHey, you don't have to tell me it's still only January. Hey, you don't have to tell me that we are actually going to have free agency before the draft this year. Hey, you don't have to tell me that the stock of these players will rise and fall with the combine and individual workouts.
I know. OK?
Regardless, it's the offseason! As much as it sucks to be here already.
Let's see who the 'experts' are predicting the Cowboys will be selecting with their first pick in this coming April's draft. Now, a lot of the mock drafters that we'll follow through the off season haven't updated their mocks to reflect the current draft order. Some have, however. If you need a primer on the areas that the Cowboys should be considering, check out Tom's assessment of the Cowboys draft priorities here.
Follow the jump for the skinny.
| Site | Pick | Explanation | Prominent Players Still Available | My Take |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wes Bunting, National Football Post |
OG David DeCastro, Stanford | The idea of drafting an athlete like DeCastro and potentially playing him next to 2011 first-round pick Tyron Smith at left tackle has to sound mighty intriguing. | CB Alfonzo Dennard, OLB Nick Perry, SS Mark Barron, DL Dontari Poe, OL Kelechi Osemele, DE Jared Crick, OLB Bruce Irvin | I'm just not a fan of taking a guard this high, and I don't like taking the 2nd best player from a unit here either, but he is intriguing. |
| Drafttek.com | CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama | When you fall apart in December, you move up in the draft pecking order - anyone watching the Cowboys knows in 2012 the team must address the defense. Terence Newman will turn 34 at the beginning of next season (and looked much older against the Giants), Mike Jenkins is set as one starter, and Orlando Scandrick is best on the slot. Dre Kirkpatrick is one of the biggest, most physical CB's in this year's draft class, yet his athleticism and fluid hips allow him to excel in coverage. At 6'3" he has the height to match up with the taller receivers in the league and win his share of jump balls - his hands are not the best, but Dallas needs a physical attitude in their defensive backfield. This is a selection where value meets need. | CB Alfonzo Dennard, OLB Courtney Upshaw, SS Mark Barron, OG David DeCastro, ILB Vontaze Burflict, DE Jared Crick, DT Kwae Geathers, CB Chase Minnifield | I don't see how Kirkpatrick makes it to #14, but if he does, I'm running up to the podium with the card. |
| Rob Rang, Dane Brugler, CBSSports.com | CB Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska | -- | SS Barron, OG DeCastro, OLB Upshaw, OG Glenn | I like physical corners, after seeing the Cowboys aversion to press coverage |
| Walter Football | OG David DeCastro, Stanford | The Cowboys have major issues on the interior of their offensive line. Left guard Derrick Dockery is a free agent after missing most of 2011 with a knee injury. Center Phil Costa sucks. Right guard Montrae Holland, meanwhile, can't really be relied on. David DeCastro is one of the top interior linemen prospects to come along in years, and he's the highest-ranked prospect on the board. This is a perfect match. | OLB Upshaw, CB Jenkins, OLB Perry, CB Dennard, OLB Melvin Ingram SC, G Glenn, C Konz, ILB Hightower, OLB Zach Brown, ILB Burflict, OLB Mercilus | The players left on the board here have me most thinking about the trade down to trade up possibility to have two picks in the 20's. |
| DraftAce.com | SS Mark Barron, Alabama | The Cowboys have some serious issues on the defensive side of the ball, especially in the secondary. Unfortunately, there aren’t many great options once Claiborne and Kirkpatrick are off the board. Alfonzo Dennard may be a popular choice, but he’s terribly overrated and I expect his stock to fall. The safe route may be to upgrade at strong safety with Barron. | OLB Upshaw, OG Glenn, C Konz, OLB Mercilus, DT Poe, CB Dennard, CB Minnifield, CB Jenkins, CB Jayron Hosley VT | First person I've seen refer to Dennard as overrated, interesting. |
| Shawn Zoebel, DraftHeadquarters.com | CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama | Janoris Jenkins is a very talented player who was a former top recruit to the University of Florida. Although he comes with some baggage, the Cowboys are a team that has not had any hesitation bringing in talented players capable of developing into stars even if they had off-field question marks. Jenkins' playmaking ability would be a great addition to the Dallas' secondary. | OLB Upshaw, OLB Hightower, G DeCastro, CB Stephon Gilmore SC, OLB Burflict, DT Poe, C Konz, S Barron | Zoebel is on his way up as a prognosticator, but I think he's offbase here. I just can't see JG going here because of all the problems. He's trying to change a culture. |
So what do you think, folks? Are your target guys listed above? Hash it out in the comments.
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Dre and Barron are gumps. I don't want them on Dallas.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Certainly Barron at #14 makes no sense. I think your wish will be granted because I think Dre will
be gone. His size and tackling ability will be too enticing for someone with a higher pick.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I hope.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 6, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
You sir
know nothing about football. If the Cowboys could trade down Barron would be ideal in my opinion. Safety is a major major need on this team particularly if (and the Cowboys shouldn’t) Elam isn’t re-signed. Barron is a proven winner who has played through multiple injuries during his college career. He would be a great addition to this team.
by RichieGrogan on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't want them because of their collage teams.
He is a LSU fan.
Ah I see
When it comes to this level we have to put those aside if we want our teams to select the best player possible for us. At this point, I think that the secondary is the area of need and Kirkpatrick and Barron may very well be the number 1 players at their respective positions. If the Cowboys can trade down and still take Barron plus add a pick or two I would feel that to be a great pick
by RichieGrogan on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly why I could care less about college and who wins
I watch college for players and just want to see them play well because I want to see who is NFL Bound and what potential they have
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
I am a Razorback fan, but in the middle of the Cotton Bowl last night I was watching for possible guys for us from KSU also.
In fact I posted about one of them on here.
I won't feel this way after Monday night. Understanding context.
Until Monday night’s game is over right now I can’t want a gump.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Probowl you also have to understand I bleed silver n blue on one side and purple n gold on the other.
I love LSU as much as Dallas. And there a lil bizness that needs to be taken care of Monday night.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
I will forgive you . ....in time.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I listen to the experts.
Got it right with Tyron. Maybe DeCastro or Kirkpatrick are good to go. Remember though rookie CB’s have it rough. NFL QB’s are at an elite level this year. Add in Peyton next year and boom another top 5 QB throwing against a youngin’. They’ll take time to develop, but you can possibly get a solid CB. All you need is 3 solid CB’s. Jenkins could be considered solid. Scandrick definitely needs some help and work. He’s too small, and was bodied by Victor Cruz. Sickening contract Jerry gave him. So yea though add Kirkpatrick, but don’t get discouraged with how he plays in his first year.
DeCastro? I would expect a quick transition to the game. We shouldn’t bank on Nagy and Arkin, but I did like what I saw from Nagy in his time here. Build the line for Romo and we’ll win more games. When he has all day he’s unstoppable. When he’s pressured he can make some plays, but it forces him to make mistakes. So either way I’m happy. Even trade down for OLB Burflict to go opposite of Ware wouldn’t make me mad. But I look for us to be active for a FA pass rusher.
Burflict is an ILB.
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If Ingram is available trade down for him and a CB, assuming DeCastro is the bait. I hope we take Decastro though.
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That's a misprint. If you look above, he has him as an ILB in all the other boxes.
Burflict has only played ILB at ASU.
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Like Bobby Carpenter?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
NOOOOo
Carp was soft, Burfict has a 20% chance of killing someone anytime he takes the field….
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 7, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling the youth movement is starting with the oldest group
And that was the Offensive line. I have a feeling that this may be were we put a primary focus once again this off-season throughout free agency AND throughout the Draft, but not as much as last season so expect us to either sign a FA C/G or draft one (or two)
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
DeCastro is my pick if he's there. He's too dominant a player to let get by them at #14,
now if in FA we sign a guard, I’d still pick him, but I would consider trading down if another targetted player is still within reach.
Interesting no one is considering Ingram at all. Was he already picked higher in these drafts.
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DeCastro Is My Early Choice
the thought of pairing him with Tyron is too good to pass up. Dallas needs more physicality on both sides of the ball. Maybe Dallas could add a veteran center. Then with the young ones, the combination would give Dallas a solid mix at oline. Throw in Murray, a healthy Felix and maybe a bargain basement pickup for a strong inside running backup.
I want the TRUth
or just Tru. Trumaine Johnson is getting some good grades from Wes Bunting and others. Small school kid though, but a cornerback that is a former WIDE RECEIVER, so you know he has ball skills plus he has good height at 6’ 2". I’ve seen the dudes tape and dude knows how to use that height and high point a ball for a pick. He might be there in the second round from the sound of things and i think he deserves a long hard look.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
I like him a lot
But he is a 3rd round pick. Would be a good pick there. That still puts him with starter ability mid second season or in his third year. But potential to breakout first or second year.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Dennard was used , abused and embarrassed vs Alshon Jeffery.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 6, 2012 7:29 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
+1
Alshon put on a clinic on how this top wr rookie is going to perform on sundays. Dennards stock sunk in that bowl.
by Professor1 on Jan 6, 2012 8:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Denard did ok when he pressured Jeffrey. It was when he played off him that Alshon burned Nebraska.
That jump ball TD was the prime example. If he had jammed him, Alshon never would have gotten down to the goal line to make the play. I wouldn’t bury Denard yet. The problem I have with him is his height. He’s very short, some say as short as 5’8’’, but he’s a tough little bugger. He got Alshon into a fight an they both were tossed in that game. We’ll have to wait for the combine to see his measurables.
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Id take Jeffery over Blackmon
Blackmon has the numbers and is very good but Jeffery has more potential
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
Man I hear you but I don't think you'd go wrong with either one. Blackmon is probably a top 3 pick and
Alshon will probably go at #7 to the Skins.
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Blackmon is the #2 pick
Cannot find one thing to not like about him onfield or off.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I agree, #2 either Kalil or Blackmon.
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I went to the Stanford/OSU game
Loved Luck in the game. Before the game I felt Blackmon was #2 and Kalil was #5. Came away putting Blakmon 2A and Kalil 2B pick. Both are great.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Can't go wrong with either one.
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Major turnoff
He was abused then went all legarrette blount on jeffery
Agreed. First round CBs have to cover elite WRs and getting burned by Jeffrey is a big red flag.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I have never liked Dennard
I watched one game and actually got fed up with him. Not because he couldn’t cover, but didn’t seem to have the hustle that you look for. His head didn’t seem to be in the game and was NOT flying all over the field. Plus he doesn’t seem to have ball skills and personally, I don’t want any corners that can’t make interceptions
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
KD,
I’ve seen DeCastro rated as high as the 7th best player in this draft. For some draft gurus higher than Martin. Martin is definitely going before DeCastro because he’s a LT. If we were targetting Iupati, whom I loved, DeCastro is better.
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That's not good, for us I mean.
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That doesn't mean he will go 2nd.
It means after Luck he is considered the best “safest” player there who will be the best pro player.
I reallize that. No one will draft a guard that high, but if he goes at 10-13 I'll be pissed.
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if he is there at #14 you got to take him but I don’t like taking guards in round one. I hope he gets taken in the top 10 and pushes someone else to the Cowboys.
But if he is there at 14 you can’t fight fate.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
No way we take barron at 14th.
If that was the guy we decided on I would hope we trade the pick. Horrible selection at 14th. I like Ingram, decastro, or Kirkpatrick if any r available.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 7:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree
I would be ok with any of those 3 players
by somebodyquiet on Jan 6, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Dre will be gone by 14 and not sure the Cowboys go OL in 1st two years in a row. Unless the do the trade down to trade back up deal.
I would agree with ANY other offensive lineman.
But this guy is “that good” hes the real deal. Most sure fire pick in the first we could get. Even Ingram and Kirkpatrick (although a ton of upside) have a possibility to be busts. Decastro has slim to no chance of being a bust. He will come in as a rookie and set our left side of the line for the next decade. I was against taking him a couple of weeks ago, but he’s definitely the safest pick.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 8:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Still early but I am leaning towards DeCastro right now
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Like a kid in a candy store
Id love to get DeCastro or Ingram in the first and then a CB in the 2nd say Stephon Gilmore
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
I've heard people say Janoris Jenkins shouldn't be taken in the Top 50
So taking him in the 1st Round seems like an utterly awful move. 2nd Round, MAYBE I’d take him there. 3rd Round, sure, why not? We’ll see where he goes. But if we take him in the 1st, I will be really ticked off. DeCastro is probably going to be the best player on the board, but we can always hope that Kirkpatrick falls.
A Safety in the 1st Round has disaster written all over it in my opinion. The expectations will be monstrous, and I don’t see any analysts drooling over some “can’t miss” Safety prospect this year. Grab one later.
Anyone else watching the Cotton Bowl?
This KSU S Hartman is looking really good. He has made some very nice plays on the ball to knock away passes from the hogs wr’s.
And yeah, Joe Adams had another PR for a TD.
Hartman’s stats from the KSU site.
Yep, I have it on and I agree. Arkansas is a bit too much for KS so far.
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Great kid
Coming out of Kansas Sate he does not rank high right now. He has great skills and a very smart kid. An Acedemic All American with high character. He needs some skill work, but I think he can step up and do it.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Tysyn Hartman
6020, 206lbs
40- 4.64, Low- 4.52, high 4.75
Rank 7/122 FS could play SS
164 ranked player, projected 6th round pick.
Don’t know about the speed, seems a tad too slow. If he ran 4.55 at the combine, I’d feel better.
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He has the size to cover the TE and his speed would probably be OK for that.
Might be a better SS than FS. What do you guys think? KS just scored 19-9 Ark in the lead.
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His game speed in pads is not a drop from his 40 time.
He is not a top pick but I think in the 5th maybe 4th he is good. Like him alot
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
All the better if he is a 6th round projection. Watching the Cotton bowl, he seems to be around the ball a lot, so he appears to have good instincts, which can really help him at the next level.
We could use a legit safety prospect.
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I just hope we stay put and draft a guy
Jerry gets too cute sometimes, at 14 we could add a legit CB or OG, both are huge needs and either one should be there at #14. The middle of our OL is putrid, Romo got killed all year, and our running game sucked in short yardage. I think Nagy or Kiwalski might pan out, add this Decastro kid, maybe sign another mid level FA type guard, and we could actually have a good OL. The OL is what kept us from putting up serious points.
Or…I wouldn’t mind a CB or pass rusher here too. Are there any projected 3-4 OLB’s in the first round? adding a pass rusher would make our CB’s look far better
Ingram is my favorite. He looks like he could be a really good OLB opposite of ware, there r a couple other olb's we could draft
But as of right now they seem to be more 20-30 draft picks 14th would be drafting them a little high. If we do take a different OLB we could possibly trade down and still get them and add another pick.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 8:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nick Perry is a better fit as 3-4 OLB than Melvin Ingram
I also trust Perry’s production against substantially better QBs and offenses in the Pac-12, where he lead the conference with 9.5 sacks.
Perry is 6’3, 250, and runs a 4.6 40
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 7, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You are claiming the Pac-12 is better than the SEC. :)
Wonder if the SEC teams are going to end the year ranked 1, 2, and 3 like they were about a month ago.
I think a lot of us are writing off Arkin
He didn’t play a snap as a rookie, but he did come from a smaller school kind of like Doug Free did. Tackle is harder to play so it takes a little longer to learn in the NFL but Guard might not. Plus he needed NFL Conditioning and things. So after 1 season and a full off-season with no lockout, Arkin might just be a really good Guard and another draft day steal for us in 2011.
I say wait though, I don’t see us getting 2 guards this off-season unless one is in the way later rounds or UDFA. Arkin is still there. However, we do need a Center
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I shake my head every time I read someone saying how Arkin sucks because he wasn't active.
Give me a break, since when are collage OL not named Tyron starters as a rookie? Or even quality backups?
Before the season people were having a fit over naming Tyron the starter, rookies don’t play OL their first year, they suck at it was the cry. And for the most part that is very true. But now it has changed to wanting instant gratification. They want him active and playing ASAP or throw him out as a bust.
He is a small school player that needs time to brush up his technique and work with a pro caliber S&C program. Yes Nagy was a later round pick, but he had been at a major OL powerhouse school and thus had a leg up on those things.
by Rena on Jan 7, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't imagine
drafting a guy w/ the #9 overall pick w/ as many needs as the Boys’ had last year and NOT starting the guy. I don’t care if he’s a FS, DE, OLB, OT or FB, if he’s a #9 pick, then he gets the start.
Only exception, you have a HOF QB playing and you really don’t have any other needs so you draft another QB because he’s the BPA. But, if you have a HOF, you probably won’t be picking 9th overall…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 7, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Janoris Jenkins is a hard worker and passionate player
he has some baggage, but he has the kind of attitude we need
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
What full blown punk??
No we don’t need that one bit
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 8:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What current facts do you have to support this?
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Arrested not once but twice for drugs.
If u screw up once, well okay but twice??? All that says is I don’t give a crap about my team and I’m too stupid to care about my career. He might stay straight for a bit, I hope he does but I don’t like wasting first round picks on a big IF. He shows he could care less, he’s doing everything right for now so he can make some money, but what after that? After he gets his paycheck? This stuff happens all the time with college players, some learn some don’t, no way to tell but I wouldn’t waste a first round pick on a guy with proven character issues.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If true, run don't walk
away from Jenkins. We don’t need a choir boy, but drugs are the gift that keep giving and he will only have an easier opportunity with a pocketful of $ and no supervision. If he doesn’t end up in jail, you can expect several multiple game suspensions.
he got busted 3 times
kid can ball but he can’t drop the blunt lol
And what is that attitude he has?
What factors do you see that will make him into an NFL player. I have spent about 6 days off and on in Florence, Ala scouting him and have talked with not only everyone in Florida that he was exposed to. But also the sports reporters, coaches, police, classmates, civic leaders, alumni and anyone else I could get hold of in Florence.
Want your opinion on his charcter and talent.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
His talent level is off the charts, but he is only 5'10". He kept his nose clean at N Ala as far as everyone knows.
He opted to forego the draft last year to rehab his image. Not saying he should be a first round target but in the second, I’d take a close look.
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I do know that Chia loves the guy.
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best CB in the draft
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 6, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don' think there's a question of that based on talent alone
Jenkins was a starting CB as a freshman for Florida. And, he did WELL there.
But, he’s a complete ASS. Sometimes, talent just isn’t enough. For me, he’s a 2nd round pick based upon past screw ups alone. If another team wants to take a chance on him, fine but look at past CBs in the same position and their track record (Pacman).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 7, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
Jenkins is by no means Moss
And people conveniently forget the Moss that was in Oakland playing on an average team. He was traded for a 4th round pick as thoughts were he was washed up. All of the sudden, he’s good again.
So which Jenkins would the Cowboys get? The one who can be kept in check and not do knucklehead things after just receiving 14th pick overall money? Or one who get’s there, finds out the team isn’t as good as he once thought, get’s a big head cause he’s playing for Dallas and starts copping an attitude, not working hard and just waiting to be traded?
You think that’s not a possibility – look at Tank Johnson, Pacman Jones, TO, etc.
The Boys aren’t as “great” a team to play for as you might think. You’re a fan but players are competitors who’s faith is in their next contract and the team that happens to be better than the current team they’re on.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 7, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
I took a very close look at him.
I was asked by a close friend to scout him. Every team I deal with pulled him off the fraft board before the season started. I have a strong opinion of the young man, but others just make a call on him one way or another with no current facts of what is going on with him.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I am not sure we have him on our board.
I am thinking I remember Jerry doesn’t like drafting kids who have had pot issues?
Now add in the Hurd Factor to everything and its probably a REALLY BIG DEAL
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Not sure how to respond other than Hurd was let go for a reason.
We can give a blanket choice on charcter without delving down. Or we can can do our best and get to the true charcter of a person.
Even as fans we can look past BS and find some true high charcter guys and leaders on the Cowboys.
The first person I would put up is Abe Elam. I was a critic of his and have admited it on this blog. This past season I attended many events that he put on in Dallas on off times for charity. He had every single DB on the team working those events and many other players on the team.
The Hurd factor is an extreme.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
It is a extreme factor but form what I heard from someone I trust up in the DFW
area JJ was pretty concerned about whether or not anyone on the team was connected to the Hurd situation and was constantly contacting LEOs quite frequently after the bust
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
You are right but that started well before his arrest. It was triggered by the first public incedent in July.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Would you take him off your board and not draft him under any circumstances?
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Or would you reconsider if he has adequately rehabilatated himself
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Or would you reconsider if he has adequately rehabilatated himself
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rehabilitated himself?
Sorry my computed is possessed.
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It is ok bud
I feel he was a kid from a bad background that lacked direction and leadership. I think in the last year he found his direction, a mentor and that he himself could be a leader.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
That was my general impression and I would love him in Round 2.
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DeCastro in Round 1
Jenkin’s in round two. Mario signed as a FA. I’d be very happy if we started the draft that way.
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That would be a great.
But Mario isn’t going anywhere , Neither is Campbell.
The best we are going to do is Jason Jones.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Well the Texans better hurry and sign Mario when
they can because I dot see them paying $21mil for one year w/ the franchise tag.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Mario will get roughly 16 mill with the Franchise tag
not 21 mill
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
i believe they have to pay him 120% of what
his salary or something of that nature. Cant remember the exact details at this hour.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
thats exactly how I feel
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Remember what Jerry said regarding Dez......
the risk was mitigated by where we drafted him……….don’t be surprised to see a trade down from 14.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
I will give u this fact.
Janoris is a stud cb. He has things you can’t teach. He will tackle and he can stop n start better than any cb in this draft.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Skill-wise he's off the charts. He could be a second round steel. We might get lucky since the Ravens
drafted Smith last year they might pass on Jenkins.
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And he's 1 inch taller than HOFer Darrel Green.
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I dont get the hate for smaller CBs. There have several shorter DBs who
have done pretty well in this league going against taller WRs
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I think its more the coaching and the attitude that they play with along
with some of them just not having the talent needed for this level.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
for me if a CB isnt 5'11 pr taller i dont take em ....
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Then you might just miss out on a potential All Pro with that logic
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
And what did you find out?
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Jan 7, 2012 2:25 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
KD, why are you not a fan of drafting an OG at 14?
Back in the old days, that was always taboo primarily due to the amount of money paid to a 14th overall pick. W/ the rookie pay scale, that’s not the case anymore.
If ever there were a time to draft BPA or need at 14, it is now the time regardless of position.
We have options for OG and pass rushes through our team and the FA.
While there’s not that many great CB’s, and we’d like to develop one if someone like Kirk drops that far.
As for OG we can put Nagy/Arkin there and pass rushers we can go after Campbell.
I REALLY want to snatch up Campbell
by Ceasaleo on Jan 6, 2012 9:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nagy did really well.
Arkin is raw still, but he can improve. CB is our #1 need, followed by OG, and a pass rusher. DL or LB.
Prrssure the QB
And average corners can capitalize on his bad throws
by Chucky)( on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
because I think the value for the position in the later rounds is better than that of other positions
If I can get the 2nd best G in the 20’s or the 3rd best guard in the 2nd or 3rd round, that to me is a better value when getting another position that early (14).
The CB available at #47 wont be equal comparable value as the G available.
But that’s just in a nutshell evaluation. If DeCastro wows, then I’m open to changing. But in theory, I don’t like taking positions that annually have value in the 2nd and 3rd round in the top 15.
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I don't understand
Is this shopping for groceries with coupons?
No.
You’re arguing against your own position. You can get a good guard later in the draft because the best one in a long time has pushed the 2nd best back down the draft.
If this is a once in a decade talent – as evidenced by his unusually high draft projection – why would you pass on this extraordinary athlete and instead opt for Just A Guy later? And, you’d be taking Just A Guy with your first pick. Ingram isn’t a once in a decade DE/OLB, in fact, he’s far from a sure thing. He’s certainly less a talent than Ware.
Boil it down to only numbers. Trade all picks for the entire 6th round and take 32 players. That’s value.
If the Cowboys could score in the red zone and dominate the running game at the point of the attack… they’re in the playoffs and are favorites to stand against GB and NO.
If the Cowboys averaged a half sack more per game or 30 yds less passing on defense or 3 less points on defense… they’re still drafting at #14 and are at home.
I just don’t understand. If you don’t use the draft to select the best player possible, then what are you doing? Exercising theory?
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
how do I even discuss this with someone attributing multiple strawman arguments to my position?
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If I understand your draft strategy KD
it’s VORP – value of replacement players. Correct?
Essentially, if there are 3 players being considered at pick #14: one is an OG w/ a rating of 92, another is a DE with a rating of 89 and , third is a CB with a rating of 87, the decision of which player to draft actually takes into account the value of the NEXT player at each position. In this hypothetical, if the next best OG has a rating of 87, the next best DE has a rating of 80 and the next best CB has a rating of 86, then the DE should (w/ a rating of 89) should be selected NOW because trying to acquire one in the next round produces less overall value for the team. The value of the player now is rated 9 pts higher than the value of the player later for that particular position. So, even though the OG has the highest rating, another one could be acquired later w/ the least amount of decrease in value.
I have discussed this w/ many a draft strategist and understand the idea of it. But, utilizing this strategy will produce the a large amount of players on a team who were the best VALUE at the time and for THAT specific draft. Eventually, the team will have a bunch of average to above average players and less ELITE players.
IMO, every team needs at least 2 ELITE players on each side of the ball. Right now, the Cowboys have 1 on D (Ware) and 1 on O (Witten). Everyone else is either solid, average or less. Elite players make plays – solid players maintain the status quo. No team ahs ever one a SB w/out elite players at key positions.
So, I argue for taking the highest rated player at a position of need for EACH pick. If the value of the next best player is low, then I worry about that position next year. Last year was a good year for D linemen. This year, QB and O line have the potential to have 2-3 of each drafted in the 1st 10 picks. Next year, maybe it’ll be LBs and Safeties. But for now, drafting the best O lineman makes the most sense because DeCastro has the ability to be elite and is probably better in his rookie year than any of the OGs currently on the team.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 7, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I agree you can’t fight fate.
I would love to draft Julius Peppers but you draft who is there.
If you reach you get jags and busts.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
not what I'm saying, but appreciate your POV
because the values you are placing on each position serve to illustrate why the strategy is going to result in you getting less Elite players.
My argument is more like this.
If there are 3 players considered at pick 14, one is a OG w/ a rating of 92, another is a DE with a rating of 91 and third is a CB with a rating of 91.
Take the CB with a rating of 91 because by the time you get to pick No.47, the best available OG will have a rating of 85, best DE will have a rating of 84 but the best CB will have a rating of 79 because 5 others have been drafted in between your two picks because of the demand on the position.
If DeCastro is FAR and away the better prospect, I’m not opposed to taking him, and I’d consider a 92 to 87 gap (the ratings you used) to be that much of a difference.
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Value
I understand your argument that you can get the 2nd and 3rd best guards later then the 2nd and 3rd best CBs; however, this is not a comparative argument. IMO, DeCastro is that much better than the other guards. If you told me that I could take Larry Allen or Steve Hutchinson with the 14th overall pick, there would be no hesitation. I am not saying that DeCastro will be as good as those two but he has the potential to be.
Guards are generally valued lower; however, DeCastro is the best guard prospect to come along in a while just as Luck is the best QB prospect in a long time.
Additionally, many people on BTB wanted the Cowboys to draft Pouncey or Iupati the past two years in the 10-20 range and DeCastro is a much better and polished prospect
And I clearly remember people saying that the same thing about Tony Mandarich when
he came out of college
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I've heard DeCastro compared to Steve Hutchinson
Move Smith to LT, DeCastro to LG. Pro Bowl/All-Pro left side for the next 10+ years ala Walter Jones/Hutchinson.
Uhhhhh, yeah, sign me up. Today.
by huslinone on Jan 6, 2012 9:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I like DeCastro, BUT
is he that much better than a Nix or Zeitler, that can be had in the 3rd?
There are not many pass rushers in this draft, so why not use #14, to pick one of the legit ones like Ingram (my favorite) or Upshaw. If Kilpatrick is off the board, I’m taking Ingram, using a 2nd on CB, and 3rd on OG.
by Ceasaleo on Jan 6, 2012 9:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Zeitler may be gone by the third.
Are you referring to Carl Nicks of the Saints as a FA? I’d love Nicks but I’d still draft DeCastro if he were there at #14 unless I got a trade down offer I couldn’t refuse..
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No the OG from Pitt
I thought his name was Lucas Nix, may be wrong though
by Ceasaleo on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, he's had trouble, arrested for public, drunkeness, disorderly conduct, criminal mischief.
He is projected as a round 3 prospect, but is he worth a 3rd round pick with his history. I don’t know.
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DeCastro is the best gurad prospect since Hutchinson. I think he could be another Larry Allen.
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You do realize that Larry Allen wasn't even a 1st rd pick, right?
by Ceasaleo on Jan 7, 2012 12:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what does that matter?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
You do realize Tom Brady was not a 1st rd pick?
But if you told me a QB was the next Brady I would take him.
You do realize Tony Romo wasn’t drafted. If you told me a QB would be as good as Romo, I would draft him early
U gotta read the specifics
He wasn’t even arrested. The incident happened during the break and he wasn’t notified of the charges until yesterday. And the charges are coming from 2 WVA linemen that he got into it with. I smell more sour grapes than, consider that a troubled past. From everything else I’ve read, dude is a good kid.
by Ceasaleo on Jan 7, 2012 12:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A verbal argument at a guys house?
Other people complained days later apparently? And it is such a big deal they mailed him a letter saying he was getting summary charges filed?
His brother had a argument with someone and called him to come get him, he went over and somehow “damaged” the front door and had a verbal dispute with the guy his brother was arguing with. No punches thrown, no one hurt. I don’t see anything there to say don’t look at this guy.
uh lets build a good base first...
how does Tyron Smith, Decastron, Kowalski(I saw good things this season the off season could only help), Kosier, and free NOT sound good for the next couple of years? It would certainly give Nagy arkin time to build up to replace kosier in-house.
2nd round i think should bolster the pass rush no doubt im leaning more towards NT to kick Ratliff to DE. Look what an incredible Pass rush did for the 49ers this year. Plus i have no doubt that Ratliff could go to the pro bowl as a DE, which would be awesome.
by Chucky)( on Jan 6, 2012 9:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This
This is exactly what I want. Draft a big NT that can get some push and let Ratliff play the Justin Smith role
I have been riding that horse for a long time....
much to the dismay of many here. They love Rat at nt. He gets worn down. Brent has been ok. Poe would make a huge difference.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
My 0.02
I would rather draft a NT (or utilize one we already have) and MOVE RAT to LDE.
I don’t think that will happen though…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 7, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Perfect would be get Jason Jones or better as a F/A then
trade down
draft a NT.
The get a CB in round two and then
trade back into round two
and pick up Chandler Jones.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I actually would love to get DeCastro
but have another theory.
Why not trade down to about 20-22 and pick up Cordy Glenn. He’s not as good as DeCastro but he’s bigger and can play some OT (as a injury backup to Free or Smith). He’d probably be better than Parnell….
With the extra pick (2nd round most likely), pick up Billy Winn-DE or Derek Wolfe-DE. With the original 2nd round pick, take Markelle Martin-FS.
Contrary to popular opinion, I don’t think the Boys are thinking early round CB. Why? Simple economics – Scandrick just signed a 6 yr / $28 million deal. Like it or not, he WILL get a shot at the #2 CB. That leaves the #1 CB job to Jenkins who will be in the last year of his contract.
So, any CB drafted in the 1st couple of rounds would essentially be used as a replacement for Jenkins or in case Scandrick doesn’t work out. But, if Scandrick DOESN’T, then the Boys are in a world of hurt as Jenkins will undoubtedly want more $ than offered to Scandrick. Add another 1st round CB draft pick and the Boys have quite a bit of $ tied up in 3 CBs.
Drafting a CB high just doesn’t make economic sense.
But beyond those 2, we relly don't have any depth at CB, so I think we'll address it either in FA or the draft.
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I disagree there
6 years $28 million is not a lot of money for a cornerback, especially with the direction that the league is going with a passing offense. I think that the Cowboys will def. give Scandrick a shot at starting, but don’t think it precludes them from taking a CB with the #14 pick, especially with the new rookie wage cap.
Robert Quinn, the 2011 #14 pick, signed a five-year $9.4 million contract.
That doesn’t tie money up at the position in the least bit.
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to further the point, let's say that Jenkins balls out in 2012
you give him $8 million per
that’s 1 corner at $8 m, another at $4.5 m and another at $2 mil…
Hell, Jon Kitna cost us $3 million this past year.
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We definitely need a corner.
Even if Scandrick can’t cut it as a starter, he can still play nickle and there’s a decent shot that either the first, second or even a third round pick of a corner could be a factor in this draft.
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understand your point KD
and let’s go w/ your example of Jenkins a 8, Scan at 4.5 and pick 14 at 2. Not a bad price to pay for 3 solid or better corners.
But what’s the opportunity cost of drafting a CB to play the slot for the next 3-5 years w/ a 14th overall pick? Isn’t there a better use of that pick on a team other than CB#3. Right now, the starting FS is Church or McCray (Elam is not on contract and prob shouldn’t be resigned). The starting OGs are Kosier and who – Arkin? Nagy? Holland? Dockery? The starting OLB is Butler?
The best case scenario you presented is a waste of a 1st round pick – a suitable slot CB could be had in the 3rd or 4th round (or better yet, free agency).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 7, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
If you draft a CB at #14 you are not drafting a slot guy he's either #1 or #2
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
As Stros says, I'm not drafting him to play slot-
As Stros says, I’m not drafting him to play slot-
I’m drafting him to be part of an upper echelon group of cornerbacks.
You know what our CB snap breakdown was this year?
829 for Newman, 679 for Scandrick, 608 for Jenkins.
In 2010? 929 for Jenks, 891 for Newman, 604 for Scandrick.
That’s almost 40 snaps a game for the lowest man on the totem pole. Not only that, you’re assuming that Jenkins and Scandrick remain healthy, which is a leap of faith no Cowboys fan should make. They are going to miss time. For the sake of this argument… you want to go into next season with the reasonable thought process that we are going to put a 3rd or 4th round corner in as the #2 when someone inevitably gets injured?
No.3 corners are starters in this league. People really need to start thinking as such. If we draft someone at #14, Scandrick is that #3 corner IMHO.
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by KD Drummond on Jan 7, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it
“Why not trade down to about 20-22 and pick up Cordy Glenn. He’s not as good as DeCastro but he’s bigger and can play some OT "
You wrote it in your own question — HE’S NOT AS GOOD AS DeCASTRO
Then why would you want him instead of DeCastro? How does that make any sense to you?
Let’s take your theory to the extreme:
Know what the Cowboys should’ve done? Traded the Aikman pick and instead dropped down to get a G who can also play OT and drive the bus and is bigger than others but isn’t so good, and gotten 11 DBs who they could’ve signed inexpensively because the current CBs have expiring contracts.
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+1
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
because the #1 pick in the draft and a franchise QB are definitely comparable to the #14 pick and an OG
yep, apples to apples here.
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it's a literary conceipt
exaggerating to prove a point.
Change “guard” to “QB who can also punt.” There. Apples to apples.
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I prefer my qb's to kickoff and play special teams. HEH !
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
you realize that means that it’s used for entertainment purposes, not logic, fact-based arguments that can resolve a disagreement, right?
It’s a pet peeve of mine. If you have to exaggerate an example to support your position, your position isn’t that strong to begin with, because you can’t support it with a realistic comparison.
You could have easily have said, look at 2010 with Tyron Smith. If we had traded back to pick up Cam Jordan and Gabe Carimi, would you have been happy? THAT would have been a comparison to illustrate your point. Comparing the situation to a #1 pick, franchise quarterback with a Hall of Fame career and 3 SB’s is… not it.
And again, like I said in my initial reply on DeCastro, if he is truly a guaranteed elite G, then I am not opposed to taking him at 14. It’s just that taking a G that high defies the logic I normally apply when evaluating the draft.
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by KD Drummond on Jan 7, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Good point...Rec
You raise an interesting point on the whole exaggerating thing. I had never given the particular topic much thought, but I like your take on it.
I see your point
which for my money I would pursue Carl Nicks and still have the 14th pick. I could then see how the draft fell to me. My gut tells me that we are going to trade down in this draft and get at least another second round pick.
Joey
Let’s start a little further back.
My thoughts about the Cowboys are a little more “real” than most fans. The Cowboys are an AVERAGE team. I don’t overrate their talent and I certainly don’t agree w/ the sums of money several players are receiving.
Given that underlying thought, I feel as if the Cowboys are not fully rebuilding (ie. needing a franchise QB to build around) but also do need to obtain more talented players at certain positions. Their needs are greater than 1 or 2 players here or there. They need, in my opinion, an OG, FS, LDE, TE, QB, CB#3, P, KR/PR and WR. Some of those needs can be met via free agency and should be as no team wants a team full of rookie or 1 or 2 year players (older veterans have greater leadership potential). The ones that I feel need youth are OG, LDE, CB#3, KR/PR and P.
Additionally, I feel that in just about every draft, you can hope for 1 ELITE players (usually drafted in the 1st round). Every once in a while, a team drafts players in later rounds that end up being elite, but that’s not expected or common. Most 4-7th round draft picks are “wishes” unless you’re drafting a FB, K or P.
With the # of needs the Boys have coupled with the fact that they should expect less value in picks in the 3rd round and beyond, they should maximize the # of picks they can obtain in the 1st and 2nd round. You’ll probably find that just about every GM would gladly give up 2 later round picks (say 4th and 7th) for an additional 2nd round – especially when that team has LOTS of needs like the Cowboys.
So trading down elicits the greatest amount of overall talent even though they might obtain a player of a little less value. It’s kinda the VORP argument that KD mentioned above that I discussed. There are arguments for both strategies and I actually advocate drafting DeCastro if he’s there as I feel that will elicit the best overall talented player at the time of picking but can see a trade down scenario since the Boys needs are so vast.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 7, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Your point
is to pass up the best player available to in order to aggregate many mediocre players.
I reiterate. I don’t get it.
You able to select 1 player in the first. The best Guard available in a decade. And then you can select a player in each of the remaining rounds.
If you said you wouldn’t get this guard because it’s a guard, and you’d prefer volume over quality, I’d fire you.
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I think you just go BPA
Let fate decide
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yes but Scandrick can also play slot and he will be better at LCB if Newman is gone and he's out there all the time
We can improve on Ball in the slot and there’s nothing wrong with drafting early for a CB over OG though… if we wait until later than the 2nd round for a guard it might cost us. Larry Allen was a 2nd rounder, so you don’t have to go for that in the 1st. A lot of good DE’s are usually available and look who lead all rookies in sacks? Not the guy drafted #3… the guy drafted 7th and he was ranked around 15-20 on most draft lists… I guess SF knew what they were doing.
kirkpatrick is intriguing
but forget barron and jenkins.even if kirkpatrick is around for our pick im not sure we should get him when we could sign finnegan as a FA. also rookie cbs have it rough and nfl qbs are playing their best ever. I think the 14th pick should be spent on decastro or a pass rusher
by Nets2410 on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 PM CST via Android app reply actions
lol
“Center Phil Costa sucks”. I agree, let’s draft Michigan center David Molk in one of the middle rounds. 1st team All-American and won Rimmington trophy for best Center.
by Nets2410 on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Molk is very small.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
does he not translate well into the nfl?
who else could we get to play center? kowalski?
by Nets2410 on Jan 6, 2012 10:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Kowalski is bigger and more athletic.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 5:54 AM CST up reply actions
He is 2 inches taller than Molk. And I doubt the more athletic part.
The 6-foot-4, 305-pound Kowalski is a mauler but does show some athleticism to pull and trap, which is a trait of a West Coast offense lineman.
Kowalski’s best attributes are knowledge of the game and physicality on the field. He’s durable, tough, competes on every play and had 47 consecutive career starts at guard and center.
In 2010, Kowalski anchored the Rockets O-line that finished the season ranked fourth nationally in total offense with 359.5 yards per game.
Kowalski’s run and pass blocking skills are fairly equal in terms of efficiency. He has a strong work ethic and good character.
Raf : Give us more information about David Molk.
WB: I really like the guy. He’s a bit undersized. But he plays with good leverage. His measureables are a question mark. He’s listed at 285. He’s got to get up to around 290-295. I’m curious to see his arm length. He looks a bit stubby. He’s right about 31’’. 32’’ would be ideal.
He understands leverage, though, and he’s good on the move. The thing with centers is can they snap and step quickly into their blocks, can they coordinate with their guards and can they make the line calls. That’s why these old centers, Jeff Saturday and Matt Birk, play forever. They understand protection schemes. Molk is a smart guy. I think he’ll pick it up quickly and has a chance to be an NFL starter.
I’d put him in that 4th to 5th round range right now.
Actually, you don't want a big center
Read the link I posted for Wes Bunting’s report on Peter Konz (6’ 5" 315) and you will find under the things that he doesn’t like:
“Despite his ability to bend, is a taller center who will allow defenders to get under his pad level at times off the snap.”
Peter Konz grades with a great bending ability, but because of his height, he is seen as at a disadvantage because players can get underneath a taller player much easier
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Gurode is 6'4" and was a pro bowler. Best Center in Dallas in a long time.
Maurkice Pouncey pro bowler > 6’4"
How many times do you want to see Costa get skull fricked by a d lineman ? Molk is a little guy.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I actually like
Brewster from Ohio State, but no earlier than the 3rd
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 7, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
I hope for better than DeCastro
I don’t really mind taking him at #14 but I’d hope for a bigger difference maker than a guard at that draft position.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM CST reply actions
if it's possible to sign finnegan and carl nicks
then I say we should get the best pass rusher available. it might be necessary to again address the offensive line in the first round but I agree it would be nice to get those two free agents and draft a flashy pass rusher
by Nets2410 on Jan 6, 2012 10:14 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
sorry if I was unclear
I mean I agree it would be nice to get more of a difference maker and that to me is a pass rusher
by Nets2410 on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
As was written earlier on this site
I think people undervalue Spencer (not saying adding a pass rusher would be a bad thing, personally I would like to see Ware have fewer snaps so he is fresher during the latter quarter of the schedule) I would advocate a safety or CB with the first pick because breakdowns or just lack of talent in the secondary was very much part of the Cowboy’s undoing this season
by RichieGrogan on Jan 6, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Like i said earlier if we kick ratliff to DE and pick up Dontari Poe at NT. I think that line would generate plenty of pressure. Ware, poe, ratliff and spencer ftw
by Chucky)( on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I meant about spencer being undervalued
by Chucky)( on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Ratliff has been outstanding at nose
but feel he would be much more efficient as a DE in our system. I would prefer to get a bigger NT later in the draft as those guys tend not to last as long in the NFL
by RichieGrogan on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
actually I really like spencer but we really do need more of a pass rush....
if we can get that by moving jay to DE and then use #14 on another need then I’m all for it
by Nets2410 on Jan 7, 2012 12:21 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Difference maker?
How about our left side we could actually convert 3rd and short. Murray becomes all pro running behind those two guys and Romo stays injury free?
That sounds good to me.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
He wrote "difference maker"
but I think he was thinking of something else. Like “sexier.” “Skill player.” I think he’s thinking of a sudden athlete who can play in space and score somehow… and direct the flow of a game. It’s more exciting.
But I’m with you. To me, there isn’t more of a difference maker in the draft than DeCastro for this Cowboys team. Potentially Ingram from the Gamecocks. To me, though, Ingram is just a nice player. DeCastro can allow the offense to really flourish, and the O Line is set for the term of all these guys’ contracts.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
I'm not
in love with Ingram either. The guy is one biscuit away from being a 3-4 defensive end. He’s gonna have trouble in coverage.
The house is mostly clean now actually
Newman is really the only person there is any talk of releasing this off-season. Last year we had people saying we should let go off Bigg, Roy, Barber, Newman, and Columbo. 3 of those left and then they added Gurode to that mix and he isn’t starting anywhere at Center right now as it turns out either. Newman is the last player we have that is really overpaid for his production (or lack thereof) although there are players that we could do better than like Elam, James and our Guards and Centers. Serviceable, but no more than that.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
You will be able ot add Scandrick to the overpaid list next season.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
If we don't get DeCastro in the first, then maybe Kontz in the 2nd?
If he lasts that long. I just feel we need a young talent with a mean streak in the middle. Upgrading our interior OL could be one of the best things we could do for our Defense. A solid ball control run offense that can oppose its will, can keep our D off the field and fresh for when they have to be ready. To me, this will cure our game finishing issues as well. Quarterbacks dont “close out” games, running games and defense do. For most of the year, we didnt have either.
"Oppose"?
I meant Impose, though I guess our OL “Opposed” our Will this season many times…
+1
I think getting Konz would be great, because i believe he will be AT LEAST an above average center, especially considering the school he comes out of. Above average floor and a very high ceiling.
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
BTW
Wes Bunting @ National Football Post just graded this guy as an 8.0 (one of five players with 8.0+ so far). Definitely liking this kid right now. Read Bunting’s Report
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." –Vince Lombardi
by ProBowlFactory on Jan 7, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Nice, he didn't have him graded when I checked a day or 2 ago.
Luck is a 9.0
DeCastro 8.5
Richardson 8.5
Konz 8.0
Kalil 8.0
So he is atm WB’s 4th best NFL potential player, ahead of USC’s Kalil who most think will go top 5 and potentially #2.
He is projected as a late 1st rounder atm.
I m sorry, but I m not fan of Kirkpatrick or Denard either
I would accept Decastro, but I would rather have someone like Ingram or Perry. Both will move up boards before draft. Also dont like Upshaw from Bama that much.
predicting Barron at 14. is just plain stupid….
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Whitney Mercilus
He has officially put his name into the draft. He is an outstanding pass rusher, but a bit under sized for his DE postion in the NFL, so I could see him slide into OLB. He has been working on his timing, but seems to know how to get to the QB. He is a little less sure of himself against the run. But, give him work in the off season with a top notch LB coach and he will improve on that. He is a consistent tackler.
The biggest knock against him is that he may be a one year collegiate wonder. He started this past year in every game and racked up the nations top sacks and second most tackles for loss. Now, personally I would like to see him go for his senior year, to help season him a bit more as illinois consistently has a top defense and must have a defensive coach who knows what he is doing. But, because Whitney cares about his family he hopes to help them out finacially sooner rather than later.
mercilus is really close to bust imo
watching his tape, he is awful against running game, he cant locate football, cant shed blockers, poor technique, and hasnt something like elite quickness or sudeness…
he needs a lot of work to be done, athleticism is just not good enough to take him in first round…for me second round talent at best and need a lot of work to be done on his pass rushing skills
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
which is why it is probably the best thing for him to do to go one more year in college and work out some more of his problem areas. If he has a year next year like he did this year, and improves his run D he could be a 1st round product not a 2nd or later.
by Aaron Burtram on Jan 7, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Read up on Nick Perry
He’s going to be better than Mercilus amd Ingram.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 7, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
BPA at position of need
is the way to go. And Decastro, depending on how he measures up and looks at the combine, could very well be that.
On D we need a top CB or OLB. Not sure that there will be anyone truly worth the 14th pick. OLB that will get us 8-10 sacks a season and still be stout against the run is probably not going to be there. CB maybe. BUT a guard some are comparing to LA?
THINK about THAT lined up next to Smith. You want to talk a difference maker- especially in the area that on our O has STUNK FOR YEARS- short yardage runs.
+1 for short yardage runs
Decastro could resolve our redzone woes too
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
I agree 100% KD,
it is disgustingly ridiculously early to have a mock draft, but have fun. Can’t believe no playoff stories, wild card weekend is one of the best times in pro football. Too bad the Boys blew it again this year, oh well, maybe next year. I’m going to enjoy some playoff football, see ya.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Can some one tell me
The CB’s available in FA this year???
by Cuban Cowboy on Jan 7, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Here's a list
www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/cornerback/
The ist is not 100% accurate but is a good place to start.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 7, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
So many needs.....
Frankly, whether the Cowboys go O-Line, Safety or Corner, doesn’t really matter does it, since we pretty much need help at all of them. But if you gotta choose, I’d go for Dre Kirkpatrick, and trade up if necessary to get him in the first round. I’m sick of watching our undersized, and poor tackling corners get beat up. And we need somebody to cover the Calvin Johnsons of the world, unless folks like seeing puny little Orlando Scandrick getting outjumped by guys that aren’t even six feet tall.
by The Dark Knightt on Jan 7, 2012 10:35 AM CST reply actions
I'm torn
I would jump at the chance to draft Dre Kirkpatrick because I love the physicality he brings to the game. However, if Decastro is the pick our run game would be nuts and we sure could se a few more TD’s from our backs (lotta yards…no scores). Burfict was on my wish list and I still wouldn’t mind because I think with the right guidance he could clean up his act and be an absolute stud/beast in the middle of the defense. As for Jenkins, I would do a backflip if we got him in the second round. Really want a FS, but not fired up by any of them.
The Ryan CB Profile
I think you will see the Cowboys go for bigger, taller CBs on the outside who can press and play bump and run.
Trumaine Johnson
Chase Minnifield
Trumaine Johnson
They need someone to pair with Jenkins on the outside since Ball isn’t the guy and Scandick plays better inside.
Guard as 1st round pick!?!?!?
I remember just last year when some people we’re saying t.smith made a better guard prospect than tackle (experts my azz). And son there after there was an outcry of fans saying u never take an interior linemen in the first round because they could be had in the later rounds very easily. Why is this DeCastro guy so intriguing??? We need a, pass rush or db help first and foremost. I hope they go bdpa…best defensive player available!!! RobRyan is gonna need all the help he can get to make up for the first year let down, n Im pretty sure j.garrett is gonna give him the opportunity to pick a few groceries this draft. Remember guys last year was an O heavy draft.
mMr$
by ssgcizzle82 on Jan 7, 2012 1:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I actually don't think Decastro is a bad idea
Romo is needed for this team to do really well, Decastro helps keep Romo which means, Decastro helps us win. Now we do need defensive help in the worst way possible but Decastro will probably be the BPA at a position that is a need for us. If we sink the 1 pick into Decastro (who is a safe pick) we have our line nearly fully setup for the rest of Romo’s career and we have some more running room for Murray. Also with Decastro we only need EITHER Arkin or Nagy to be a success and if they both do, Nagy was a Center in college. If we do go Oline, we have to sink the other 6 (maybe 7 with a compensatory pick from Bowen) picks into the defense
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 7, 2012 1:47 PM CST reply actions
How awesome
would it be if in a couple of years we’re a perrenial playoff contender?!
Ah, I like to dream.
If you're comparing OG's it looks like DeCastro is better on the run and Glenn is better on the pass
I think we can get either but may have to trade up to get DeCastro. He can add weight but Glenn might be more pro-ready. You could certainly get quicker movement to the left side on a sweep with Costa, DeCastro and Smith, throw in Fiammetta and Bennett and you can create a hole quickly for Demarco… but if a better CB or DE is there I could see us making that move too.
we don’t trade up for a guard unless the price is really cheap. The more we pay the less the value is, That is not really the case in the later rounds cause the chances that the players will be special is not very high
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 8, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade up for him, he should be there when we pick.
If he isn’t, I will be sad to have missed him, but will take one of the top pass rushers or CB’s that fell instead.
If Dre falls to 14, I might go crazy with excitement.
And yes Neb DBs are overrated. Prince was there best DB and he was overwhelmed this season
Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares
Top Top Top priority should be the OLine..
can’t you all remember how badly damaged Romo had been?
what good are all the elite receivers, running backs etc etc etc when your qb got a collapsed lung and broken ribs?
(also, a super corner can only protect one side of the field and can give you hopes in winning the game)
with a good supreme OLine and a good qb, you can be in the playoffs like New Orleans, Patriots, GreenBay..
simple, right?
May The Force Be With the 'Boys! Amen!
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