Looking At Draft Needs For The Dallas Cowboys
It's the draft season. Until April 26th, we are going to drown in a sea of mock drafts, draft boards, and draft wish lists. Numbers from combines and pro days are going to be examined, compared, dissected, filleted, chopped and julienned to try and sort out where players should go in the draft, and who the Cowboys should be looking to take.
That is the supply side of the unique economy of the NFL draft. Under the BPA theory, you just take the whoever is the highest remaining player on your board.
But in reality most draft choices are based not only on BPA, but on the needs of the team, which is the demand side of that economy. And of course, the BPA thing is not always so clear cut. Most people think that Andrew Luck is the automatic first pick of the draft - unless you listen to Jemele Hill at ESPN, who thinks the Colts should use that pick on Robert Griffin III and his shiny new Heisman Trophy. And if you just don't like ESPN, or still are living in the 1950s and think women should never talk about sports, Tony Dungy agrees with her. So when you get into the later rounds, there may be a variety of players to choose from of roughly equal value for the team.
So I am not going to talk about who is available. Frankly, there are many voices here at BTB that have more intelligent things to say about that than I do. I want to take a look at what positions the Cowboys should be going after, and I want to try to come up with a way to rank order them.
Follow me after the jump to see if I make any sense.
A lot of people put up lists on draft priorities for the team, but I have not seen anyone go through the roster position by position and compare the needs. This is my attempt to do just that. I am trying to keep it simple, because I really don't know of a metric that will give you a quantitative way to compare the value of a nose tackle to a tight end for the team. It is subjective, and this early into things, it is also likely to be subject to great change as things go along. I will look at who is on the team now and try to make some guesses based at least loosely in reality on who the team may retain. Then I am going to put a number on that position, using this scale:
- Gotta get someone. No question.
- High priority. A definite need.
- A need for the team.
- Not pressing at this time - but if a real steal is there, it might be worth a late round pick.
- Do not use a draft choice here in 2012.
I don't know if anyone else will like this, but I was wanting to set up some way to discuss the draft where we can contrast our opinions. And I have never done this before, so it is an experiment I wanted to try.
So, without further ado, here is the position breakdown. I am looking at all positions on offense and defense, and assuming that specialists will not be part of the draft equation. Each position will list the current depth chart, plus any players on the IR that are likely to be available for the next season, in depth order, and then I'll give my reasons for assigning a number.
Quarterback Tony Romo, Stephen McGee, Chris Greisen.
Tony is the starter. Period. McGee is now the backup, but there is no clear evidence that he is the QB of the future. Greisen was just a body for the last game, and I am assuming Jon Kitna is gone (with our thanks for his contributions).
And here is the first thing that may stir up some controversy. I think the team needs to look long and hard at drafting a quarterback to develop. UDFAs who become starters are very rare, and losing your starter can ruin an entire season (see: Indianapolis Colts) or mess up a good thing (see: Houston Texans). I have always believed that you need three quarterbacks on the team. Dallas can go out and sign another graybeard to be a backup - but when do you start to develop Tony's eventual replacement? Unless McGee suddently turns into Matt Flynn, the team needs to take a shot, I believe.
Draft Priority: 2
Running back/fullback DeMarco Murray (IR), Felix Jones, Phillip Tanner (IR), Sammy Morris, Chauncey Washington/Tony Fiammetta, Shaun Chapas
I lumped these together because I see both positions the same: I think the Cowboys have their players for 2012 in place. Morris and Washington were basically emergency fill ins, and I fully expect Murray, Jones and Tanner to be the three players starting the season. I also expect Fiammetta to be the starter next year, unless Chapas should surprise everyone and take the job away from him. If the coaching staff wants someone else to look at, I would expect them to go FA/UDFA.
Draft Priority: 5
Tight end Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, John Phillips
This is the first point at which there is a big uncertainty. Witten is still a top one tight end in the NFL in my opinion, and even if he sees some decline in effectiveness, I do not think it would be enough to, in any way, threaten his starter status. But Bennett is a UFA, and also a bit of an enigma as to his value to the team. I am in the camp that thinks he is doing exactly what the coaching staff wants him to, which is block. And at about the midpoint of the season, he seemed to become a much more reliable receiver. The draft pick that was used on him is immaterial at this point. The question is whether the team is going to resign him or not. If they don't, they will make a lot of people who thing Martellus is hot garbage very happy. But I think they will, because I think his price is going to be very reasonable.
Draft Priority: 4
Wide receiver Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Laurent Robinson, Jesse Holley, Kevin Ogletree, Dwayne Harris, Andre Holmes, Teddy Williams, Raymond Radway (IR)
The joker in this deck is Robinson. This guy may be an expensive UFA to resign, but he also may be worth it. I am basing my priority here on the belief that Jerry Jones will work something out and keep him. There are a lot of free agent wide receivers out there this year, and if Laurent goes, I think the team could get another quality replacement if it can't find enough talent in the pool they have. I am hopeful that Ogletree will be gone. I think Jesse Holley may be better than most people realize, based on the fact he caught everything that was thrown at him this year in limited action. And Harris, Williams and Radway all have varying degrees of possibility. You might be able to argue that this should be one number higher - but not with the other needs the team has this year.
Draft Priority: 5
Offensive tackle: Tyron Smith, Doug Free, Jermey Parnell
I think everyone fully expects that Smith and Free are going to flip positions, and that will be a good thing. I am really excited to see how Tyron will do after a full off season of coaching and conditioning, given how well he did without it, and I think Parnell may benefit even more. But that is kind of thin. I think the team needs at least one more tackle, but this may be better addressed in free agency.
Draft Priority: 3
Guard/Center: Kyle Kosier, Derrick Dockery, David Arkin, Montrae Holland (IR), Bill Nagy (IR)/Phil Costa, Kevin Kowalksi
One of the most exciting things about the days after the end of the Great Suckitude was the clear signal that Jason Garrett was going with a youth movement on the offensive line.
So how do we end up with a 10 year and a 9 year veteran as our starting guards at the end of the season? Injuries played a part, but a lot of us are also wondering what is going on with David Arkin. Will he justify his draft position after the off season? I also feel that at least two and possibly all three of the old veterans will not be around next season. So it looks like we need some new blood here.
Draft Priority: 2
Cornerback Terence Newman, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Alan Ball, Frank Walker, C.J. Wilson
I think Jenkins and Scandrick will be back next year. I don't know about C.J. Wilson, but I would not be surprised to see the other three gone. Which makes this fairly obvious.
Draft Pritority: 1
Safety Gerald Sensabaugh, Abram Elam, Danny McCray, Mana Silva, Barry Church (IR)
Here is one area where the supply side affects demand, because the safety class this year is reportedly rather weak. The team is not likely to get much help here even if it wanted to. However, Sensabaugh, Elam and McCray are not terrible, like, say, the cornerbacks, and as I recall, Church was having a pretty good year before he went down. So hopefully the team will survive without much help here. My rating may be influenced by wishful thinking there.
Draft Priority: 3
Inside linebacker: Sean Lee, Bradie James, Keith Brooking, Bruce Carter, Orie Lemon
One Chuck Norris-approved stud in Lee. Two future hopefuls in Carter and Lemon. Two once solid players whose time, sadly, has passed. Five minus two leaves three. And I think the team needs four. But with the picks used in the last two drafts on Lee and Carter, this might be a hard sell as too high a choice.
Draft Priority: 2
Outside linebacker: DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Victor Butler, Alex Albright
We all want DWare to just get healthy. The big issue here is good old Almost Anthony, as discussed in detail by Kegbearer earlier. I think it is generally agreed that the Cowboys need more pass rush. The question is where does it come from, OLB or the D line? I am going to go with the theory that the team will look for a second pass rusher at OLB this year, which drives the number here.
Draft Priority: 1
Defensive End Jason Hatcher, Kenyon Coleman, Marcus Spears, Sean Lissemore, Clifton Geathers
I almost did the line as a whole, but decided to break it out. There is a certain interconnectedness with OLB in that one of these positions needs to bring some more pass rush to the table. Given Rob Ryan's approach to defense, the answer to that may not be what we think. However, I like Hatcher a lot, and still think Lissemore is still growing into his position. Again, I am basing this number on the team going for another pass rusher at OLB, but if a real monster is available at DE, the numbers might switch.
Draft Priority: 2
Nose Tackle Jay Ratliff, Josh Brent
This is a very tough call. Rat is so good. But everyone keeps worrying about him wearing down. Here is another place the positions are a little connected, because you might not need a DE as much if the right NT came along. If you had one who could just put massive pressure right up the middle, it might even solve some of the pass rush issue. Plus, I don't know quite how good Brent is. This is one I may be a bit high on.
Draft Priority: 2
OK, a quick recap:
- CB, OLB
- QB, G/C, ILB, DE, NT
- OT, S
- TE
- RB/FB, WR
That actually makes it kind of simple. Seven draft choices, seven positions ranked 1 or 2. Putting a little subjective spin on the priorities within each ranking, and throwing in that you may need more than one at a given postition, I come up with this draft order, by position.
- CB
- Pass rushing OLB
- G/C
- ILB
- QB
- DE or CB
- NT, DE (if CB in 6), or CB (if DE in 6)
You can also use the ranking system to provide a little flexibilty while keeping the priorities straight. Obviously, if there is a monster stud OLB available in the first round who is clearly better than any cornerback, you flip those two - but you don't take a guard or ILB before you then address the CB issue. Once you get the 1's addressed, then you can adjust all the 2's to more of a BPA approach.
That's my take on it. I will now prepare for the slings and arrows.
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Need to improve pass rush
So its not about Antohny Specner, and I really dont care how good or how bad he was in other areas of his game…
We cant generate pressure except Ware, Ratliff and maybe Hatcher… so we definitly need another pass rusher. Easiest way to improve our pass rush is simply bring new OLB or outstanding DL like Devon Still…
we are playing 3-4 defense, so I m in for new OLB … Spencer could be good in coverage, he could be a solid tackler or run stuffer, but I dont see him as really good pass rushing treat and thats the only thing matter…
if someone really want Spencer back, then ok, but pray for Devon Still… I will just pray for Ingram or Perry
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
I would suggest a slightly different option for pass rush
how about Left Defensive End!?!
JJ Watt recorded 5.5 sacks this year (as a rookie) from the LDE spot in the 3-4. Antonio Smith recorded 6.5 from the RDE of the same Texans defense. This is a Wade Phillips defense. Connar Barwin has 11.5 sacks and Brooks Reed has 6.
Pretty balanced pressures/sacks from all 4 pass rushing positions.
We need to get away from the thinking that ONLY the OLBs can rush the passer and the best way to do so is to acquire better ones. Spencer has done a fairly decent job at OLB (can anyone name 5 better LOLBs in the league – and I’ll give you Clay Matthews and Barwin)?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 6, 2012 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I would agree with you
Spencer is good enough at LOLB if we have a pass rushing DE. I’ll take 12 sacks from strong side pressure any year (Spencer 6 & LDE 6). This is especially true if you get 20+ sacks from weakside pressure (Ware 15 & RDE 5) and 3 or 4 sacks from NT (Rat).
Add in 5 or more sacks from secondary and situation/rotation players and all of a sudden you are averaging 2.5 sack per game minimum.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
by TK19 on Jan 6, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Spencer is a FA
I dont see anyway he comes back giving how inconsistant he is, the money it would cost to resign him and the cap situation we are in. So that means drafting a guy or finding someone in FA. Even if they placed the transistion tag on Spencer its going to cost us roughly 8 mil for the year and thats too steep. This draft is going to be heavy on defense and it should be. Draft either the best DT/NT or OLB with the 14th pick then go for a CB in the 2nd or 3rd round.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
bad decision
With so many holes on the team, Cowboys have to take the BPA at any position of immediate need, not try to pigeon hole a few positions in round one.
Positions of immediate need are G, C, OLB, DE or DB.
In Romo we Trust
Were not taking a Guard with the 14th pick
the major problem with this team is the DL and the secondary. Sure some positions could use an upgrade on the OL but a good guard can be taken later in the draft or in FA.. Get a monster DT/NT like Poe and see how this defense improves. He is being compared to Ngata. Although I think he will be gone before 14 we have to address DE, OLB and CB very early on.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Last year you also said we weren't taking a tackle with the 9th pick
You’re delusional if you think the Cowboys will ever move Rat from NT, he’ll play there until he retires.
In Romo we Trust
Knew you would go there
I did and considering how bad our OL was last year it was a good choice. We can justify picking a OT with a high pick, but Jerry wont go for a guard knowing how freaking bad this defense is. This OL isnt that bad. All they need is some time together, a little shuffling around and another piece or two to be solid. We can get a good Guard in the draft and it doesnt have to be the 14th pick.
Ratliff is going to become a situaltional player very soon. He is not a 3 down NT anymore.
Yes, the OL is that bad
Anyone who isn’t blind and watched the last two games of the season could clearly see it stills needs a severe injection of more talent.
And not very soon with Rat, still has 2-3 really good years left as a 3 down linemen.
In Romo we Trust
I agree with Terry
There will (should) be some good talent at guard, Dominating talent much like Smith,,,,, Smith next to say Decastro,,,, Instant upgrade and if Arkin or Nagy step up then its all gravy,,, I fully agree with Terry O-line interior is my pick just because there are some dominating options
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Defense is top priority people
take the blinders off. There are a ton more problems with the defense than the OL. Jerry, JG and RR all know the main problems with this team all season was the defense. Sorry guys, Jerry isnt going for an OL pick two years in a row, espesically not on a guard. A huge part of this draft is going to be defense and its going to be early.
by Boyzfan94 on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Last year
The majority of our draft was offense. I look for things to be the reverse this year with two of our picks goings to the O-Line. I think we are still a year away from drafting an eventual replacement for Tony. This Year Rob Ryan gets a chance to choose players for his defense.
by bettacalltyrone on Jan 6, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think JJ and JG are going togive the Youglies every chance
to win the starting from Kosier, Holland, and Costa in TC. Id would be SHOCKED if we took a G in the first round.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I wont say I would be shocked
but given how bad our defense is compared to the offense I say there is a very little chance of drafting a OL with the 14th pick. Just too many holes on defense to fill. I wouldnt be against them moving up in the top 10 to get a top defensive player either.
How bad IS our D compared to the offense?
14th in yards, 16th in scoring for the defense, 11th in yards, 15th in scoring for the offense. Is that drastically better?
With guys like Newman, James, and Brooking, wouldn’t even just an average player be superior and therefore improve that spot?
How about an offense that, through increased ability to sustain drives, keeps the D off the field a little longer, to the tune of about 11 less yards per game and 3 points less per game? Because that would make us a top 10 D in yards and top 5 D in scoring.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2012 2:31 AM CST up reply actions
Defense was far worse
Just look how we lost games in the third and fourth quarters this year. The whole DL is a mess except for Ware. Taking a Guard is not going to solve our problems stopping teams from scoring on us which was a huge problem this year.
Which games are you referring to?
NYJ – debatable. I say that one is on the offense and ST, but will agree to call it a complete team failure.
Lions – that’s on the offense.
Patriots – on the offense. The D held one of the highest scoring teams in the league to 20 points, including only 7 in the second half, and the offense does little.
Eagles 1 – complete team failure
Arizona – on the offense. Held the other team to 13 points in regulation. Lost.
Giants 1 – on the defense.
Eagles 2 – offense – Again, the D held one of the highest scoring teams in the league to 20 points, only 6 in the 2nd half. The offense contributes one garbage time TD.
Giants 2 – Complete team failure.
By my count, that’s exactly one loss where the offense played well and the defense didn’t.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 9, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Lions game?
How is that on the offense if we let them come back 24 points? I’m on board for a new NT and lets Ratliffs “2-3 good years” be as a DE.
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Im not saying first round
I would be SHOCKED if it a G was taken in the first too. Im just saying that 2 of our pick being used for a O linemen. but more than likely that will be with a 3rd round pick a the earliest
by bettacalltyrone on Jan 9, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
theres a big difference in taking a OT compared to a OG in the top 15 picks.
not many Guards go in the top 15 of a draft & for good reasons. even top flight centers seem to not be valued in the top 15. its not that i dont agree we need some dominate Guanrds to keep the pressure out of Romo’s face but taking one in the top 15 is kinda crazy.
stud DBs, DL or OLB/ILB seem to be a priority in this era of the NFL & that gives Dallas a lot of flexibilty to get the best player. also just bc players are picked in the 3rd-7th rounds doesn’t mean they can’t be productive players so this draft will fall on the shoulders of the scouts to find people who fit this 3-4 defense.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
by DCNation73 on Jan 7, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
If we are going to take a guard in the 1st, I would hope that we’d trade down a few spots and acquire another pick or two.
by sportsfanatic21 on Jan 7, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Ding..Ding!!
and what I was trying to point out is that normally these Guards are overvalued to begin. We can find a good one later that isnt much of a drop off from a guy that is graded out in the top 15. Eagles took Watkins with the 23rd pick last year and the guy has bust written all over it already. In fact, I think the Eagles have taken guards high in the draft more than anyone and it hasnt faired too well for them.
We need a playmaker with the #14 pick and it has to start with the defense if at all possible.
What's your take on the other OLmen on the team Norm?
You always seem to be pretty good at evaluating OL play, I think Free clearly needs to move back to RT, Lumpy might have another decent year left in him, maybe you’ll have something in Akrin or Nagy, and Costa needs some work. I think worst case with Akrin is you’ll see a guy that’s going to be a very good back up guard. Allows the other guards to stay fresh and injury free.
glad you asked
Been planning a fan shot because I feel real strong about this,
Injuries hampered a plan this year, This team had picture perfect runs when pulling or misdirections but could not get any push and had no timing on screens,
I swear it was around week two Free got hurt and I don’t think he was the same after, i saw him get hurt watching replays and I didn’t think he was getting back up, but he did and he was not good, I think he rebounds expecially at right tackle,
Arkin is the forgotten man, in my opinion he would instantly solve the push issues, but he could not pull to save his life, If he learns to pull and gains some agility he’s the starting right guard next year if not he might just be a bust,,,, to be determined during the pre season.
Center was a disaster,,,, Now Costa played hurt alot, so again I’m not sure where we stand,,, were we handcuffed by one guy knowing the line calls? For all the love of Koloski right now I dont think he’s the answer,
Kosier played with plantar fisciatis and it showed often, I feel he is holding a spot for Arkin, Laugh at me but they have been training Kosier to snap the ball,,,,, he’s our next center if they draft Decastro and Nagy or Arkin work out, and honestly Nagy was not that bad and Arkin was a good straigt forward blocker,,,, I
Truth- Draft Decastro, Move Kosier to center, swap Free and Smith, and hope Nagy and Arkin step up and if not use Holland, Dockery or
some to be named later prospect,,, That line would make me VERY happy next year
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I am now officially wanting DeCastro.
Can you just imagine our line? OCC said how do we beat our division well they all destroyed our OL. So I’d say drafting him would be huge!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
On the flip side though our Dline has to beat THEIR Oline
and we cant do it now with what we have
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
You win by scoring points.
This is an offense league now. See GB, NE.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
What happens if the other teams D stops your Offense
and they score more points than you?
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
well if they score more points hmm 100/100 times says they will win.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Most teams aren't too worried about that
Look at NO, GB, and NE…their defenses are way worse than Dallas’ it’s just that their offenses can compete with anyone. That’s the name of the game now.
I dont see those two offenses lasting much
longer though due to FA and the cap not to mention injuries and retirement. Eventually all good things must come to an end.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
It is an evolution of the NFL
We have gone through many phases but it always came back to scoring the most points. We have seen the defense dominated teams, then the balanced teams. Today we are in a day of teams looking to score the most points.
I hate to throw out the phrase “Moneyball” but Andrew Brandt the former GM of the Packers already brought it up. It is about out scoring your opponents.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Dont even get me started about that moneyball crap.lol
The object of the game is to score to score more than your opponents which means at some point your defense has to step up and stop them so you can outscore them.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I know what you are saying
But in todays NFL QB’s and receivers are under protection from the rules. This makes offense heavy teams given an advantge. Look at 3 great teams this year, Packers, Patriots and Saints. They all rank in defense at 26th or below. Thier QB’s were also the best in the NFL. They also had the best protected QB’s in the NFL.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Im pretty sure their division mates are gonna
gear up to stop them on both sides of the ball though.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Yeah how dare you take an objective look at the game
That moneyball crap sux You should just get players that know how to win! Screw stats you want some good lunch pail type FOOTBALL PLAYERS, just football playin jesses is all you need!
Please, there are advanced ways to look at the game. You’re a fool if you don’t use the data you have and go by old school nonsense, if you want to do that be a Redskins fan and root for them to hire Bill Parcells.
All Im saying is a I dont put as much stock into
using every stat that is available bc I know that numbers dont tell the whole story. I use stats in my job every day but I also use common sense in making my decisions. btw, just bc someone doesnt agree with you no need to insinuate that they are fool.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
That must have been hard for a DB like you to say.
And when DB’s like you (who run training programs) say it, I believe it.
Dude...
No team in the NFL is built to last. Every team’s always one big hit away from being knocked down. The great teams manage to fight through it. The Pats do it because they have Brady and Belichick. Once the Saints lose Brees they’ll probably slow down too. It’s the way things go, you get an elite player and surround him with a core of very good players. After that elite player goes or if you lose too many very good players your team starts to suck. That’s the way the NFL works, like the old phrase goes “Not For Long.” Five years ago the Saints and Packers were kinda “meh” teams definitely not the powerhouses they are today, and in five years from now they won’t be again. You take what chances you get get and move on from there.
See now I'm with you all the way except Akrin.
When they drafted Akrin I thought: “Back up that gets his fair share of playing time.” I saw him as a short yardage guy that’s used in goalline and power running situations and there if a guard gets hurt. Lets be honest these are three hundred pound men, they’ll get banged up now and again. So I thought it was fair value for a 4th. I dunno maybe I’m wrong, but I think backups have value. Especially guys that are suited for a particular package.
We need a mauler at guard. Pulling and all that stuff doesn't work at the goal line.
We need a pile mover.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 6, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Usually
I don’t agree with you a whole lot, but you are spot on here
by sportsfanatic21 on Jan 7, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Arkin is a pile mover. And he doesn't play because apparently he can't pull.
So JG disagrees with you.
Really ? Did you see Arkin play in the regular season ? Who did he play against ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Umm. That's my point.
JG disagrees with you because we have a pile mover that can’t pull (Arkin) and he didn’t play a single game.
right now you cant count on Arkin for anything except a backup.
nagy is clearly light years ahead of Arkin & even when the team was banged up he didn’t get activated, which says a lot.
i would say Arkin is a couple years from even being close to compete for a starting job & wouldn’t be surprised if an undrafted or late round pick bumped him from the 53 man roster.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
has anyone ever drafted a Guard in the top 15 of the draft?
a center IMO has more value then a Guard but i cant remeber any Guards being taken inside the top 15 picks.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
And there is a reason why...
You dont blow your wad on a Guard when you can get a good one later…Pipe dream guys because its not happening…..How you guys forget how bad this defense was. That’s ok because JJ, JG and RR dont the reason you wont see a OL pick at #14
Bruce Matthews , Mike Munchak and......
John Hannah were all top 10 picks. You may have heard of them. All hof’ers
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 7, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Terry, I'm with you, If DeCastro is there run to the podium.
This is the reason why FA is so important for the Cowboys. Drafting at #14 changes everything because it gives us a shot at a perennial All-Pro for an entire carreer. He’s the closest G since the great, future, first ballot HOFer and second Cowboy Offensive lineman ever inducted into Canton, and best lineman ever to play the game, Larry Allen.
If we can find a DE in FA, we have the option to take DeCastro in the first and get Bruce Irvin in the second and a CB in the third.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
by pfloyd1 on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'd have Dez Bryant in the war room ready to sprint to the podium if he's there.
That kind of rock on your team is valuable no matter what position he plays. Center, Guard, Tackle, D-Tackle, Safety, Corner, Running Back…no matter what if he has a shot at being a perennial all pro you do it.
by Omar Little on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa.
I would love DeCastro and Irvin.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get the love for Irvin.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 6, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Is 5th out of 11 really that great?
When you say 5 better in the league, you have to keep in mind that about 11 teams use the 3-4. I’d say that Phillips, Kerrigan, Justin Houston, and Ahmad Brooks are all at least as good as Spencer, in my opinion. Woodley is better, although he has been injured. Put any of those guys opposite Ware, and I think you see superior production to Spencer.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
BPS?
Can you get me anyone of those guys… for less then what I’m paying Spencer? or can you get me anyone of those guys period? We have to be realistic… you aren’t going to get Brooks, Kerrigan, Phillips, Houston, or Woodley….
You can’t take someone that’s not available… Mario… think Marion if he doesn’t get picked back up by Houston… otherwise you are going to the draft for your OLB.
Dreamland is not a good option!
RexP
That wasn't the question, though.
The post I responded to said to name 5 LOLBs that are better than Spencer, and spotted us 2. I named 5 more, and someone else added a 6th. So that’s 8 total. There are 11 teams that run a 3-4. Just for argument’s sake, let’s say that spots 3-9 are basically interchangeable. That seems like just about every team running a similar scheme has been able to find a guy at least as good as Spencer. I’m thinking that we probably can too, and also for likely less than he will get in Free Agency. I’m not saying that we should go and get one of those guys, I’m saying that Spencer isn’t going to be impossible to replace.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 8, 2012 2:27 AM CST up reply actions
I may be crazy, but Spencer was a DE in the 4-3 in College. He is listed at 6003 and 257 on the home page.
I tought he was heavier more like 270 – 280. I’m wondering that with his skill set is his frame big enough for him to bulk up with an off season weight/nutrition program under Woicik and make the move to DE in the 3-4. Probably wishful thinking but if Rat can play an undersized NT, maybe Almost can make the switch. Now if he truly is only 260 then gainling 35 -40 lbs of bulk and muscle is unrealistic.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I've had the same thought
and I believe I read that Spencer was more like 270. I think it would be interesting to see him as a fast DE who can even zone blitz. Is this totally unrealistic??
I think Spencer is out of position
I think he is a 4-3 DE.
Wade always thought he could turn these guys into 3-4 OLBs and could not. Just like Jason Williams, just like Brandon Williams.
I think Spencer would be more appreciated as a 4-3 DE.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 6, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
BED, do you think he might be able to play at DE for us? I relize he's a better fit for a 4-3 but
if he put on 20 lbs and played at 290, we might have something.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
No, he's too small
The 3-4 DE really is a misnomer, they should be called 3-4 DTs.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 6, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
Wishful thinking, damn.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
i agree 100% that Spencer is playing out of position.
i could see 4-3 team giving him more money they what he would bring as 3-4 OLB.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I'll take these 3 LOLBs over Anothny Spencer
1) Clay Matthews
2) Conor Barwin
3) LaMarr Woodley
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 6, 2012 3:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Clay Matthews plays more the WOLB position but from the strong side.
So Spencer’s Packers counterpart would be more like Erik Walden.
I almost forgot
I’d take Kerrigan of the Redskins and Worilds of the Steelers because of their upside.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 6, 2012 3:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wish!
Everyone would quit dreaming about things they can’t have and look at viable options. You can’t get Kerrigan or Acho or Clay Matthews or Barwin or Woodley …..
Come on guys… how bout some real suggestions
RexP
Yeah it was a joke.
It’s basically rosterbation at it’s worse. Thinking that there’s a top young player out there and some team might want to get rid of him. Basically about as reasonable as grabbing a Clay Matthews, Kerrigan, or anyone else. The only chance you get a player like that is if they test positive for roids.
why cant you get a player like them? Kerrigan had red flags with his loss of hearing.
its a lot easier finding strong side OLBs
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Pass rusher
I feel like the pass rusher is more likely to be at DE. We are already keeping, presumably, Victor Butler, who may step into that role more in 2012, and with the assumption that Spencer is gone then we need a good run stopping OLB on the strong side. At DE, where we never really replaced Bowen, we still have plenty of run stopping options, with Spears signed longterm and Hatcher as well, who can also rish a bit. I think that we need another hatcher, or Bowen c. 2010 type of player here.
Of course all bets are off if a Lee type of player slides in the draft, but the point is that we already have a lighter type of OLB, and a run stopper may become a big priority if Spencer leaves.
I think what we do in free agency is the key
The key needs are clearly CB, OG/C, OLB, DL
There don’t appear to be a huge number of OLBs on the market, which is why I think Spencer will get a price we aren’t willing to pay for him elsewhere. We probably won’t have much cap room, but hopefully we’d be able to get a starter at either Guard or CB. If that is the case, that radically changes our approach, as the guard and CB classes this year are meant to have a bit of depth to them.
If we were able to get someone like Finnegan, I’d do:
1st: Best OLB or G available (I’d be hoping for DeCastro)
2nd: Best OLB/G (whichever we didn’t get in the first)
3rd: Best CB available
Likewise, same approach if we got a good guard in FA but no CB, and so best CB or OLB in the 1st.
[First post btw :)]
by TheLondonCowboy on Jan 6, 2012 5:55 AM CST reply actions 14 recs
Newbie rec!
Welcome aboard!
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
welcome
and you are right about FA being the key to the Cowboys draft. I am worried about Spencer getting overpaid by someone else. I think I am on board bringing him back, but only at a reasonable contract – reason in my OLB/DE pass rush debate post below.
I’m not sold on taking a OG/C early just because I’ve seen flashes from Arkin/Nagy/Kowalski which make me think one of them may step up in the offseason. I think the Cowboys are very high on Arkin but knew he needed to add strength before he was ready for prime time – I think he will be one of Woicik’s personal projects this offseason.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
He's been a Woicik project or else the Cowboys have been failing.
The guy’s been inactive, they damn well better have been injecting him with horse and dragon steroids working him out.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
by Nickthegrip on Jan 6, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dragon steroids??? LOL
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yup.
From Ron Mexico.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Love making 'em green. Welcome London.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Great to have you "TLC"...
“Don’t Go Chasing Waterfalls…”
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 6, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
wholeheartedly agree
I was thinking signing a FA CB would be the fastest way to band aid the defensive back end so that we could go G/DE or G/OLB in the draft. It seems like secondary help wouldn’t be as hard to learn in Rob’s system as for a front 7 member.
I originally was for pass rush in 1st and might still be for the right one but DeCastro starts his rookie year and year 2 we have a young jelling line with him, tyron, and Free. Kosier helping one more year with line calls IF anything can be done with Kowalski ( or maybe Nagy??) at C. I wouldn’t mind drafting a center around 3-4 if there’s one there.
A stud rookie DE or OLB should at least be playng situational pass rush for us this year and having a vet CB manning Newman’s old role helps with the hopefully developing pass rush.
Watching the Texans play I’ve seen a bit of Finnegan and while I have no idea if he’s a RKG, he made Andre Johnson lose it and get tossed. If he can get in his head and go to blows, he should easily be able to send D-Jax to the moon and take him out of his game. Unlike Newman he hits right off the line and forces a lot of redirection.
Together, we WILL make it happen!
by nikeorlipstick on Jan 6, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
REC
Welcome. Great first post.
Although I want us to draft lineman, lineman, lineman.
"I'm your huckleberry."
by bloodyhanded on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah this basically nails it.
Agreed completely, I’m hoping for DeCastro/Finnegan as far as the big additions this year too.
by Omar Little on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did any of you guys see how bad this defense is??
and you want to draft a freaking Guard.. Really????
yes, i saw how bad it sucked
I just think you take whats there. The top 2 corners will probablly be off the board at that point. Not sure about the pass rushers yet. So if you can get one of the best interior lineman thats come out of the draft in many years then you take him. He also just happens to fit a need. And he fits value wise. I don’t want them to reach for the 3rd corner or any other defensive player just because we all know the defense sucked last year.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I watched
14th in total defense, 16th in scoring defense, and 16th in defensive DVOA. Pretty average across the board. In this league you can get by with an average defense if you have an elite offense. DeCastro is probably the best guard prospect ever, a player like that is pretty rare. I’d rather have an elite anything (save for maybe WR) than an average to above average anything else for this team. If you were told that if they drafted DeCastro the left side of their line would be like Jones/Hutchinson for the Seahawks back when, you’d do it right? If you were told that in three years DeCastro would be the best guard in football, you’d do it right? That’s the type of guard I think he’ll be and that’s why I want him.
by Omar Little on Jan 6, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not as bad as I think it appears
give this team an off season, not sure anyone is sure what this defense is until it gets completly installed
by Musiccitynorm on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
24th against the pass
And it starts up front with the pass rush. You get more pass rush it helps out the CBs.
No amount of pass rush could help Newman. They'd basically have to have the sack before the QB finishes his drop.
Have you seen how bad some of the other PLAYOFF teams
defenses are ????
Go BPA….if it is a guard, so be it……score more than we give up…….
if we as a group have learned anything watching football this year, is that there are NO GREAT D’S in the league anymore, NONE…..the rules are being so slanted toward the offenses (and it may not be intending to, but the personal foul calls on hard hits aren’t helping), go look at the playoff teams, they are much more slanted towards great O this year than great D….and if that is the way the league is going, fighting it may be a losing battle
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
by BigBad Joe on Jan 6, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much...
Positions of need on defense are almost secondary to marginal upgrades on offense. Unless the player’s like Newman terrible you can get by with some pretty weak players on defense and still be good if you have a great offense.
Not saying I completely disagree with you
But look a little closer at the playoff teams:
AFC:
NE- great off. Bad def
Baltimore- bad off. Great def
Pitt- good off. Good def
Houston- good off (when healthy). Great def
Cincy- avg off. Good def
Den- bad off. Good def
Every AFC playoff team outside of NE has a good defense
NFC:
GB- great off. Bad def
NO- great off. Bad def
SF- serviceable off. Great def
NYG- good off. Bad def
Atl- good off. Good def
Det- great off. Bad def.
So all in all, half of the playoff teams have good-great defenses. Everyone gets so hung up on “all the good teams have bad defenses”, but it’s not necessarily the case. You see more highlights, and get blown away by the scoring of teams like NE, GB, and NO, but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Baltimore or Pittsburgh represent the AFC, and also not shocked if San Francisco won the NFC.
That being said, I think adding a very good to great interior O-lineman is a must in this offseason. Other than that though, extreme attention needs to be paid to upgrading the defense.
by sportsfanatic21 on Jan 7, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Also
I truly believe we would have seen Houston in the Super Bowl without the ridiculous amount of devastating injuries they’ve had this season.
by sportsfanatic21 on Jan 7, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Omar, I thought you told me yesterday
that you didn’t want an asshole like finnegan or bart scott on this team? Maybe it wasn’t you. Not sure.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, it was.
Two major differences:
A.) Bart Scott is pretty mediocre, Finnegan isn’t.
B.) Bart Scott’s a much different type of asshole. Finnegan is basically the cornerback version of Chad Ochocinco. He talks trash to the opposing WR, despite being much smaller than Andre Johnson he pretty much held his own against him. Johnson also started that fight on the play before.
I agree with your comments on Finnegan
I just thought you said you didn’t want assholes on your team.
But i got ya, he’s the exact type of asshole i would want on this team.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Being a Pistons Fan
the players is more of an ahole when they are on another team……I live in Chicago and the hate for D Rodman was very strong, until he became a Bull that is :-)
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
Finnegan would be a welcomed site at CB.
nobodys perfect but Finn plays hard every snap & doesn’t seem to be a trouble maker that raises redflags.
sure he’s a trash talker on the field but that doesn’t bother me one bit if he can back it up, which he does very well.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
What makes you think that Spencer will be such a hot commodity on the FA market even if there are so few
OLBs available in FA? All the blogs have indicated that fewer teams are employing the 3-4 than the 4-3 and if we give up on Almost why do you think someone else will be willing to spend big bucks on an average 3-4 OLB. Now if you project him being signed by a 4-3 team and switched to DE that’s possible, but if he is only 257lbs, he’d have to bulk up some. I asked the question above if his frame were big enough to bulk up to a size where he could switch to DE for us. That may be crazy, wishful thinking on my part, but I’m thinking outside the box.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Because they are so hard to find.
Think about this Chris Canty who isn’t worth 15 mil got 42 from the Giants and I can guarantee you that Spencer is a lot better then Canty.
RexP
good drafting organizations dont take Guards with a top 15 pick.
theres just so many Guards that have potential in the draft compared to OLBs, DBs or DL. also with all the young players replaced in the OL last season it only makes sense to see how they develope this season.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Huh???? Which good drafting organizations????
I know you are kidding right?
What teams do you consider good drafting teams (so I can check)? BTW…
In the last 30 years 33 guards were taken in the 1st round of those 4 are in the HOF
and yes most of those first round picks including 13 in the top 15. NO, GNB, Houston, NWE, NYJ, NYG, PIT, KC and ATL were the teams… of those 3 were HOFers
RexP
If he's there I think Decastro is the pick.
I’m afraid that the top CB’s will all be gone and it couldn’t hurt to have another young stud on the inside in case nagy or Arkin aren’t up to it.
The 12th commandment: "Know which side of the bread thy butter is on and keep thy knowledge close to thee."
by John Boy on Jan 6, 2012 6:36 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Itll be easier to turn this offense into a power giant then it will to make this defense sane. Romo with time he’d have a Rodgers type year.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
by thebigham on Jan 6, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dallas already has a better D
than Green Bay (statistically speaking this year)
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Agreed statistically speaking but
Green Bay D actually plays well in the fourth quarter and forcing and getting turnovers. Cowboys just give up too many big chunks and I think that shows a lack of speed in the secondary.
I’m afraid they’ll plan on moving Scandrick into the starting roll and settle for a third corner in the draft. We actually need a number one corner and a fourth. Teams like the Packers and Saints are ones you have to chase now and they all have receivers and TE’s that can run.
We need a stud saftey that can cover a TE too. Barron should be there with the first pick.
by Jaymanburlington on Jan 6, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Agree with you on corners
If Jenks and Scandrick are out two best corners, the secondary is still in trouble.
If Jenks is two and Scandrick three, the secondary will improve drastically.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Yeah, because...
…we can always count on Jenks missing a game or six each year.
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
Yeah, another reason why a Scandrick type is pretty valuable.
The 3rd corner on NFL teams gets his fair share of snaps.
Although I do agree with you here...
…I disagree with King Jerry giving Scandrick a new extended deal when he never really earned it.
But then again, that’s how our “GM” does things. Wouldn’t wanna clutter the the Cowboys front office corporate structure.
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
That's fair too...
But I think he knew that with Newman and Jenkins as his two starters he’d need someone that could play corner whenever one of them got hurt. He ended up overpaying, but the thought process behind it was well thought out.
Good point, Omar
But if we had a better FS, it might not have come to that.
Just my opinion…
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
Packers have a better defense because of one player
Charles Woodson…we have nobody even remotely close to being that kind of playmaker in the secondary.
In Romo we Trust
Agreed
just saying you can win and win big with offense in the New NFL
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
absolutely which is why drafting DeCastro would make out OL much better
and as a result would make our offense elite.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah
Just to add to this I think even an average corner instead of Newman along with Carter instead of Brooking/Barber would make a huge difference on the defense, combine that with an OL that gives Romo all the time he needs along with his escape abilities and you’ll have a team that contends for the Super Bowl.
by Omar Little on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
you have to take into account the Packers blew teams away so early the stats aere flawed.
if you want to judge a defense look at the rezone efficiceny & 3rd down stops. good defenses force FGs, get turnovers & get the defense off the field on 3rd downs.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I agree as well
I’d also add that we need minimum 2 strong drafts to be Super Bowl contenders. We need to protect Romo otherwise it’ll be another 2010 season. I’d go DeCastro as he is being touted as a can’t miss prospect & some grade him as 2nd highest rated player. 2nd rd. I’d go DT/DE/TE(Fleener?). 3rd OLB if Spencer is gone. Lastly, Finnegan, C. Campbell & Avril are touted as good choice for the Cowboys, but I wouldn’t want to get a FA just to fill slots. If the targeted FAs aren’t there then focus on the draft. Cheers & go Cowboys!
by 99yard_TD_Run on Jan 6, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Totally agree
To me the thing that really swings it is that against the better pass-rushing teams (two of which we have to play four times every season) Romo is damn near running for his life half the time. And we saw in 2010 what our season would be if he goes down for a significant amount of time. We need to protect him better, which will also help the D b/c they’ll be on the field less often.
i think
Someone should do a post on position depth. If the depth is much thinner at rush OLB then that should affect where you pick one. I think it does.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
I'll put up the Chia signal.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Commissioner Gordon..............I am here
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can actually see the big chia pet in the sky
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
LOL that would be awesome
instead of like dark black carbon fiber like Batman, I have plushy green material on my costume and battle armor
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 6, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
You need to get a copyright on this right away.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
working on it Coach
currently working on ILB’s right now and will do the OLB’s after that….Both posts should be done in a week or so
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 6, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
No it shouldn't.
That’d be reaching. You develop a board and draft who is rated highest on your board. If an OLB and OG are there at 14 that could the last highly rated OLB but if they the OG ranked higher you take the OG.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I agree with most of the priority grades
but on the whole draft board, I think we’ll have to draft a QB higher than the 5th round to get a guy that can, one day, replace Romo.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
I was going to say this, unless Kellen Moore or some other good QB falls that far, it's pretty much a wasted pick drafting a QB in the 5th.
Good qb’s don’t come that far down too often. I say we take kellen Moore in the 4th or 5th this yr (if we think he’ll fall to the 5th) or we wait till next year for QB.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 7:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the 4th round is where I take a QB this year
but I also think the 4th round pick is my bargaining chip in case I want to move up in the 2nd or end of 1st round to take a player I like.
QB is a need but not so much of one where if we use the 4th round pick to trade for a quality player I’m all for it.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Good college QBs fall all the time
If they don’t have “ideal” arm strength, size, etc. Drew Brees(all 5’11 of him) is changing the perception about smaller QBs, but I can see Moore or Case Keenum falling to the 4th or 5th round.
by blackgallagher on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
would be on board
with either Moore or Keenum in the middle of the draft. Production and winning. Both could develop into decent/good QB’s in the right system.
Although arm strength is a major asset for a Cowboys QB. JG has a vertical offense which requires 1. Accuracy 2. Strong Arm (ability to make sideline and deep throws) 3. Intelligence 4. Quick Release
Horizontal offenses (see Saints & Patriots) require 1. Accuracy 2. Intelligence 3. Quick Release 4. Arm Strength
Moore and Keenum may not be the perfect fit for a JG offense, but it would be hard to pass them up late in the draft.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
I cometely disagree with that statement. Average qb's may fall to the 4th-5th round, but it's not often a star QB does.
This league is a QB driven league. Name the top 10 qb’s, all but Tom Brady and Romo were taken early in the draft. We don’t need an average QB to replace romo, we need another star. No I think Moore has a lot of potential so I agree we should take him, but that’s even a stretch. Great qb’s are typically first rounders.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A star college QB may, but a star pro QB rarely is drafted late in the draft.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kellen Moore is not predicted to go until the late rounds.
Kellen Moore is a statistical dream… if he can sit behind Romo for 3 years like Flynn has with Rodgers… he’s my pick
RexP
disagree
Brees, Montana, Warner, were not first rounders. I know there are many more as well that I can’t think of right now.
Also, keep in mind that first round qbs have been complete busts just as much as they have been stars, ie Leaf, A Smith, Ware and Couch just to name a few among many.
In Romo we Trust
I would think more QBs bust as 1st round picks and O-Lineman bust the least.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Drew brees was number 1 of the second round.
Aaron Rogers #1. Peyton manning #1 we know Tom Brady story and romo. Then u go to next tier of players roethlisburger #1, Philip rivers #4 overall. Eli manning #1, Matt stafford #1. The fact is u get the superstars early in the draft. Facts r facts. Name all the qb’s taken late that suck and then that r stars. 95% suck, that’s not good odds dude. There’s no arguing that
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you pointed out 8 but how many others were drafted over those years in the 1st didn't work out. Go back 10 years and do the math
RexP
Ok, I mean u have to be kidding me to even be having this arguement.
Over the history of the nfl you have a much much much much higher chance of getting a star QB in the first or second round than all the other rounds combined. There r 1st round busts but there r 100’s more late round busts then 1st. No way u can count on getting ur “star” QB in a late round. That’s not arguable that’s effing fact. Ur an idiot. Rarely do late round qb’s pan out. 95% r busts, yeah a lot of 1st rounders r too but not 95%. The stud qb’s come in the first 2 rounds AND RARELY in others.
So yeah let’s put this franchises fate in the HOPE that we can get super lucky and be one of the rare occasions that we draft a stud in the 5th-7th round. No I don’t think so. I’m not saying don’t draft 1 this yr but don’t count on it being our QB of the future. We’ll have to get “that guy” at a later draft unless we get amazingly lucky.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 5:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Like GB did finding Matt Flynn?
The sample size is small, but he looks like he may be the read deal. Wonder where he will go?
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Tom, I can hear Daniel Snyder chomping at the bit from the west coast.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Might be a bit of a bidding war for his talents.
I know it was just one game, but those are numbers only put up by a couple of hall of famers in the past. And it’s not like Detroit wasn’t fighting hard, either.
The Tyler stations are reallly proud, since he did his high school time there.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Every time he's played he's played well.
Who will outbid Snyder? Shanhan is probably so sick of lousy retreads that I’d be stunned if he’s not in a Skins uniform next year.This is one time Snyder would be right in paying the big bucks. This kid was better at LSU than Russel. He looks like Matt Damon’s younger brother too for whatever that’s worth.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I have the Skins as the odds-on favorite too
Shannahan has to be in his last year, if he doesn’t make a big jump he’s going to be gone. He knows he can’t win without a QB.
They pick too late to have a legitimate shot at RG3.
Snyder loves to roll out the money, Shannahan says “hey, not my money – pay the man $500 billion for all I care”
All signs point to overpaying Matt Flynn, Flynn disappointing, and the Redskins continuing the fail all over the place just as they always do.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 6, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
BED ,
I hope you’re right. Tthe thought of the Skins signing a quality QB with Shanahan as his mentor makes me shudder.
Flynn has looked awfully good when he’s played whether in the regular season or preseason.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Agree he looks like the real deal, but so did Matt cassel when Brady went down. Coaching and talent around you goes a long way.
But he definitely looked good
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 7:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
True, but with Shanahan he should shine.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Dude did I sit here and call you an idiot... no?
Don’t appreciate you calling me one either. I also never said that there was a better chance in the later rounds. Funny how you add that into my comment. I don’t really appreciate that. Now as far as other rounds are concerned … I have not done the math but I can. I just don’t see where this will do you any good.
I was just saying of the first round choices… you can sit and pick 4 QB’s in the first and 1 might have been ok… then the other three were bad… So lets say for 7 years straight we pick a QB in the first to raise our odds we end up leaving other areas unattended. So let’s just put the fate of the franchise in the hands of those who take into consideration the areas of need first. The QB is not an area of need.
RexP
Dude...
You’re not an idiot you can take an objective look at the game and back up your opinions with empirical data. Don’t let some guy that doesn’t even spell out “are” get to you. There’s litmus tests for judging people on the internet, and how you should let their opinions affect you and your opinions. If they don’t spell out “are” on a blog such as this, that’s pretty much as close as you get to failing all of them.
I have my disagreements with people, and I think certain people can be smart about most things but stupid about others. However, if you don’t spell out the word “are” on the internet I’m going out on a limb and willing to say that you’re stupid about most things.
LOL Omar...
thanks… I wasn’t angry… just letting him know. Don’t appreciate his tone.
However I did the math for him since he’s too lazy to do it himself and in actuality the numbers are worse for 1st rounders then later in the Draft. 1 (Peyton) of 25 elite… with 4 notables Vick, McNabb, Bledsoe, and Pennington. Of these I believe only McNabb XXXIX and Bledsoe XXXI went to the SB The rest of those drafted @ #1 were total bust. There reason this was so bad because at that time 1st round QB’s were a premium and were paid upwards of 40 million… with todays Rookie Pay Scale that won’t happen again. Elite draft percentage in first round 4% odds. Good QB 2nd teir: 16% odds
Of the later drafts 2-7 you have 4 Elites of 73 drafted.. Farve, Warner, Brady and Brees… 1 of which was a UDFA. with around 14 more additional QBs that either were Pro Bowl QBs or played in at least 1 Superbowl.. Neil O’Donnel Pitt SB XXX, Brad Johnson SB XXXVII, Jake Delhomme SB XXXVIII, Elvis Grbac SB XXIX, Matt Hasselbeck SB XL others notables … Mark Brunell 3x PB, Trent Green 2x PB, Jeff Garcia 4x PB, Kordell Stewart 1x PB, Jake Plummer 1x PB, Brian Greise 1x PB, Marc Bulger 2x PB, and John Kitna.
Elite Draft Percentage in later rounds: 5.6%
Good to 2nd Tier: 17.8%
RexP
most organizations understand the college system & how to evaluate QBs better.
R.Leaf failed bc he was a hot headed drug addict that didn’t have mental make up to play QB in the NFL.
also with all the rule changes favoring the Offense it makes finding a franchise QB a lot easier. no way rookies could walk into the NFL 10+ years ago with the success there having now.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
One more note:
of the QBs take in the 1st round of the draft between 1990 and 2002 only Peyton Manning, Vick, McNabb, Bledsoe, and Pennington actually performed well for their teams respectively. Only one on this list I would consider as an Elite QB. To me it’s a 1/25 shot… should I do the math for the other 9 years.
RexP
Ok those were a crappy 12 years for qb's period.
What elite qb’s were taken in late rounds those years?? Huh???
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
All but ... ?
You’ve named possibly 2 of the top 4 QB’s in football now.
So 50% is a pretty fair average.
Draft QB late. Possibly some UDFA.
And a veteran backup.
"I'm your huckleberry."
by bloodyhanded on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I agree take a QB in the 4-5 this year and hope he's a good backup but don't count on him being our superstar of the future b/c more than likely, he won't be.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 5:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Unless we get kellen Moore.
I like him a lot and think people r ignorant for not looking at him more just because he’s 6’0
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 5:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i want to see what he measures in height at the combine.
i’m not buying that 6’0 stuff until i see it with my eyes. he looks shorter then Brees & thats not even compared to NFL talent. Brees is a rare player & he wasn’t sure fire bet until he went to NO.
its a lot harder to throw with 6’5+ DL in your face compared to the talent Boise faced. he never faced a NFL calibur Defensive LIne. it might be different if Boise scheduled better teams but they dont bc they cant compete against real NFL talent.
your competetion means a lot & beating up a raggedy Georgia Bulldogs doesnt get you any credit.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
GA???
Kellen Moore … QB Boise State played 4 seasons as the starter… not only did he beat 13th ranked Georgia in the SEC but a number 4 ranked TCU, and Number 10 ranked Va Tech… 12 ranked Oregon… #24 ranked Oregon State… Touted as the Nations all-time winningest QB only lost this year to rival TCU 36-35… and beat Arizona State by 30 in it’s bowl game. Dude doesn’t do anything but win… I think if you have a chance and don’t pick him in the 4th or 5th then you are making a big mistake.
RexP
would rather draft in 2013
we have so many holes that we need filled for long range planning, I would prefer to get a back stop vet in FA. McGee is here one more year and knows the system.
We shore up our O-line and fix our front 7 and get some DB help, it allows us to maybe use a 2 or 3 in 2013 if we feel like the tread is thinning on Romo. If they believe his shelf life is only 3 years that still gives us two full years in the system with a 2013 draft pick. Personally, I think it’s longer but I’m sure there’s a little hope in there as well.
Together, we WILL make it happen!
by nikeorlipstick on Jan 6, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Next Year
I don’t see them taking a 4th round or higher QB this year. Too soon in Romo’s contract and McGee is still growing. I don’t think they’re ready to scrap him.
by Jaymanburlington on Jan 6, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
In terms of pass rush and the DE/OLB debate
it really depends on what type of D you want to be. If you have two pass rushing OLB’s then you basically are rushing 5 guys every play – 3 DL and 2 OLB. This is especially true if your OLB’s are a liability in coverage. If you rush 5 you have 6 in coverage and have your safeties deep that leaves 4 players left to cover in either man or zone. These players can be a combination of ILB’s, Corners and in some formations an extra safety.
This D only works if your 5 get to the QB for either a sack or a hurry (hopefully causing a bad throw/decision) or you have 4 good cover guys who are physical/smart enough to take away hot routes. On this current roster I think we have 1.5 guys. Jenkins when healthy can press and cover his guy adequately enough to allow 5 guys to generate pressure and Lee is a good zone cover LB – not completely sold on his man-to-man coverage yet.
If your best pass rushers are you OLB’s you rush package become more predictable. You know who will be rushing the QB – the question becomes from where and what technique (bull rush, speed, stunts etc). You can still drop a DL or LB and blitz an ILB or corner, but you are taking away a player accustomed to coverage and replacing them with a player unaccustomed to coverage. A good surprise tactic, but one you would not want to overuse.
If you drop your OLB in coverage you now rush 4 and drop 7. Again with 2 safeties deep you now have 5 guys to cover short/intermediate routes and allow the 4 man rush time to get to the QB. Ideally you would have 2 of your 3 DL able to push the pocket along with your rush OLB. On this roster we have 2 of the necessary 4 pieces (Ware, Ratliff). If the Cowboys retain Spencer they keep a jack of all trades/master of none OLB. Comfortable enough to rush the passer and drop in coverage, able to play all 3 downs.
An ability to pressure with 4 players makes your D extremely versatile. If you can generate pressure with 4 the QB must now diagnose if a 5th or 6th player will blitz. Because of the coverage ability of your OLB this means the extra man can come from just about anywhere. Again, you need corners with the ability to press and take away the hot route and LB’s athletic and smart enough to diagnose the hot route and take it away.
The Cowboys are missing a second pass rushing DL. Hatcher and even Lissemore have shown flashes, but not enough to put fear into an opposing offense.
I am in favor of trying to find a 3-4 DE with pass rush ability (much easier said than done) or a true 3-4 nose tackle who can collapse the pocket (extremely easier said than done) in the early rounds.
Think of it this way, if we can find a pass rushing DE who can get 6-8 sacks a year and generate consistent pressure doesn’t it make Spencer’s 6 sacks more valuable (combined 12 sacks from strong side pressure)? Especially when you consider you no longer HAVE to rush Spencer to add a 3rd pass rusher to the mix.
A lot of this is also predicated on the fact Bruce Carter must be a hit at ILB. If he is unable to cover hot routes, stop the run and occasionally rush the passer it won’t really matter how many pass rushers we have. Elite QB’s will simply throw the ball to an open man before the rush gets there. Terrance “12 yard cushion” Newman is no longer able to press his man and take away the hot route. Jenkins is able when healthy, and I don’t trust Scandrick on the outside just yet.
So for me, I would love to see a pass rush DE and a Corner with the first two picks in the draft. A developmental QB and interior O lineman taken middle of the draft (and the only offensive players taken) with the rest of the draft filled with physical corners, cover safeties, athletic freak OLB’s with pass rush ability or a smart athletic ILB – in no particular order.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
One thing to consider...
is when are we being most exposed for lack of passrush? And that answer is when we are in nickel. How many leads did we blow late? What defenses were we using then? Nickel.
So to me, the most important thing is to get a passrusher regardless of position. We can figure out where he plays in base. But our nickle 4 man rush is what has to improve.
agree with you there as well
let’s say we run a 4-2 nickel – 4 DL/2 LB/ 5 DB
traditionally we have used the OLB as DE’s in this formation with Rat and a rotation guy. Adding a 3-4 End with the ability to bump inside next to Rat in nickel would now give us 4 players with pass rush ability and the possibility of dropping 7 in coverage. The Giants rode this package to a Super Bowl victory.
To me the debate of coverage vs pass rush is mute – ideally you would have the ability to do both. The perfect sack is one where the pass rush and coverage work in unison to create a perfect storm around the QB.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
The more I think about it
the more I like the idea of bringing Spencer back – but not over spending to keep him. If we lose Spencer, pass rushing DE is still a need and now so is OLB. This goes along with CB and S on the D.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Amen to both.
To me the debate of coverage vs pass rush ismutemoot – ideally you would have the ability to do both
The more I think about it
the more I like the idea of bringing Spencer back – but not over spending to keep him
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
1. Quinton Coples DE
2. Steven Gilmore CB
2 Chandler Jones LB (3.4.5.6.7) used to trade up here
F/A Jason Jones
F/A Jason Smith ( if the contract is right
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 6, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
that's putting a lot of faith
in Chandler Jones being worth 5 additional players
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Depends.
If he busts but if all we lose out on are a bunch of JAGs then it doesn’t matter much.
It only really matters if you miss out on a pro bowl player
No more Sam Young Jamar Wall Alan Ball.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 6, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Coach Ditka?
I didn’t know you posted here!
by blackgallagher on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
The Cowboys traded up for Tony Dorsett. That worked out ok
Besides you are preserving your first and second and you get another second.
2009 we had A LOT of picks after the second round. That worked out well didn’t it.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 6, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Melvin Ingram
Not exactly sure where he plays (DE or OLB), but he is versatile and can rush the passer.
Nick Perry from U$C is better
Played in the Pac-12 against better offenses and better QBs and registered 9.5 sacks. He’s listed as 4-3 DE but he’s 6’3 250 and runs a 4.6 40. That’s ideal size and weight to make the switch to 3-4 OLB and play the left side. I like him the most from this class of pass rushers.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 6, 2012 5:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well Ware isn't a liability in pass coverage
so I don’t understand why everyone seems to think that a good pass rusher will be bad in coverage. If anything, traits that tend to correlate well with pass rushing, the vertical and short shuttle (hat tip to FiTaT), also suggest a player should be good athletic enough to be good or at least serviceable in pass coverage.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Chia does a great job laying out his draft board.
But, I will throw in a few thoughts.
Cat 1 – OLB, CB, DE not necessarily in that order. FA and draft value should determine the first round pick and no I would have no problem taking DeCastro if that was the best value on the board.
Cat 2 – C/G, ILB, S I like the Yuglies and think they need time to reach potential, but a quality C/G would solidify that line and seasons to Tony’s life. If you believe that Carter and Lee are the tandem going forward, this may be a good spot for a second tier FA just to work into the rotation and help mentor the young guys. An impact Safety in a need. Sensi and Elam are Ok, an upgrade and youth would be better.
Cat 3 – QB, OT – Value pick in the draft in the mid rounds for the QB, Unfortunately, McGee doesn’t appear to have it. OT if a value presents itself or an UDFA.
Cat 4 – RB, TE – Running backs are always needed. Shelf life sometimes not that long. TE is going to be needed when some team looks a Tellus’ " potential and offers him more than the Cowboys are willing to pay.
WR 5 – WR – Our position of strength. I love this group and some of the players warming up in the bullpen. Might be the time to test the trade market and see if any deals can be made.
FA will adjust some of these needs and also who gets released . Should be an interesting off season.
I agree with you, IMO our safeties were just as bad as our CB's this year.
I know, there is pretty much never a safety worth a first round pick and this yr there may not be one worth a top 3 round pick so I think we need to upgrade here in FA. Church can stay, but I’m not a bit impressed with Elam and sensebaugh isn’t much better. We should have gotten Gordon in the offseason. Now he had 6 picks this yr and he will probably cost too much. Another dumb move by jerry IMO.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 7:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
On contract for next year
the Boys have Sensabaugh, Jenkins, Newman and Scandrick in the secondary. Elam signed a 1 yr contract and will be a FA.
Would you resign him? If not, then S has to be a higher need than CB as right now, there is no starting caliber S on the roster.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Jan 6, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree TJ
in my post on the safety position I pointed out that Church might take over for Elam after this year….while not Ideal, unless you are switching Newman to Safety(not a bad Idea IMO as it allows Newman to play less man, and uses his CB instincts to roam around) Church will be at worst on par with Elam, and might offer a slight upgrade over him….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 6, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
on switching Newman to S
Newman doesn’t have the body type to be a full-time safety. It is also a completely different skill set.
While Newman may be able to do it, I would not go into a season with him penciled in as a starter without a strong Plan B in place.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Plus Newman is probably the WORST tackler on our team.
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 6, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
.....and cover guy...
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
....and 'ironman'....lol....
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
I think I rather Ball at S
Newman to S is gonna be a disaster, Newman is done
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
How about...
…none of the above.
We saw enough of the Alan Ball experiment in 2010.
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
I'm with you SB, T New is done and too expensive. Ball just can't adjust to the pro game, he's so lost.
Do will still have the rights to AOA? I’d rather give him a shot than continue the Ball Project.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
AOA plays for the jags now
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
That is funny cause a lot of JAGs play for the Cowboys
That is the problem with the Cowboys.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 1:47 AM CST up reply actions
Why do people keep talking about switching Newman to safety?
Please stop. They guy can simply not play the position, he is too small and too brittle
I think people just assume you can easily switch an old cb to safety
they assume wrong. You’re right. Newman is way to fragile to play safety. Pretty sure he is done as a quality starter. He could be serviceable for another team as a back up. Just don’t think his body can handle the number of snaps you get as a starter.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
When you look around the league at Safeties...
the one thing that stands out is there are no top safeties that were converted corners. It just doesn’t happen. You can look at corners and say they look like they could play safety, but why then are there no good ones? Newman couldn’t handle the beating. He’s not known for his tackling skills, and when he does make a tough tackle, he seems to end up on the sidelines with a play or two.
I feel your desperation at the position, but we have to get a real safety. Right now the list of UFA Free Safeties includes Mike Adams, Brandon Meriweather, Abe Elam, Reggie Nelson, & Michael Griffin. Of these players, Michael Griffin makes the most sense. He’s from Texas, and we’d be able to get him for about 3-4 mil per year.
The other player we’d be able to afford that could have the most impact is Cliff Avril. I’d guess we could land those two players for around 8 mil per year, which totally changes our draft strategy. We go corner in the first, D-line in the second, and seeing how it’s such a deep guard class, interior line comes in the third.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Mike Griffin hasn't really been considered a success
I’d caution against getting a Safety in FA.
I'm not saying Tony Romo is the reincarnation of the mythical Romulus. I'm just saying
He seems pretty decent to me.
His career stats are pretty good.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
I think Antrel Rolle would beg to differ
Came into the league as a corner. I think he’s been a Pro Bowler at saftery
by blackgallagher on Jan 6, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
So based on one exception
you’re supporting moving Newman to safety?
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Of course not
He’s not nearly big enough. I’m just saying that there have been some converted corners who have had success. Rod Woodson extended his career another 2-3 years by switching to FS. If the guy has the body to hold up to playing safety, it’s a good fit. Newman is not one of those guys.
by blackgallagher on Jan 6, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Converting corners to safeties is a losing proposition.
It’s rare when it actually works out. Very rare. In Rolle’s case he had nowhere to go. He was beat out at the corner position, so the move to safety was a career saving manuever.
When you look at the situation with Griffin, Tennessee is not going to re-sign him, he has played pretty well, can probably be had for a midling price tag, and would fit our need and alleviate some pressure for filling 10 holes with 7 draft picks.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Converting players works out when the skill sets needed are similar
Look at Malcolm Jenkins from New Orleans. Played CB at Ohio State, played ok as a corner his first year, moves to safety and his career jumps off. Not exactly trying to start an argument here, but there are players out there (one of whom you want for Dallas) that have converted from corner to safety with good effect. Would Newman be one of those? No.
Also I agree with you. Griffin would be a good pick up.
by blackgallagher on Jan 6, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
LOL.
I was going to say the same thing. Don’t really want to debate converting players. I’m not sure we have the coaching skill to do it. I’m of the opinion of who can we get within the price tag we have. Drafting a safety is out of the question, so who can we get? There’s a couple of FS’s on that list that would be a pretty huge upgrade. I see a doable scenario at FS, whether it’s Griffin, or as Terry suggested, Reggie Nelson, who had some pretty impressive stats. He might cost a bit more than Griffin, but me likey.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Agree
there are some very interesting options at both Safety and CB in FA. If we can find a starting caliber Safety – who can also make the secondary calls since Sensi has repeatedly said/proven he won’t/can’t – and a CB who at the very least can compete for a starting spot we will go into the draft in a good situation.
We can go into the draft in a GREAT situation if S, CB, C and DE can all be addressed to some measure in FA.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Here's the scenario...
How cool would it be to sign Cortland Finnegan and Micheal Griffin? Teammates from Tennessee. Also Cliff Avril from Detroit, who had some great numbers. With the need to re-sign Robinson, I think we could afford those three players in FA.
That changes the entire complexion of the draft. You can now go after DeCastro in the first, and get the best value D-lineman, or best value period in the second. Suddenly our problems don’t seem so hopeless.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
I'm torn on Finnegan
not sure he’s a top CB although he may get paid like it. He does fit the feisty, aggressive press corner you need in a pressure D though.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
I'm a huge fan of Finnegan for us
He has an edge and swagger that nobody on this defense has. Plus he’s a good cover corner and plays well in run support. I think that offensive line is really our biggest priority(corners are more visible, as if you get beaten, it’s very obvious) because keeping Tony upright and healthy in his prime is key, as well as helping out our hapless run game (yes, it’s still hapless even though DeMarco went off).
by blackgallagher on Jan 6, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
I recognize that the fad of RKG's has passed,
but it’s STILL as important to the plan as it was last year. Sorry… no finnegan.
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 6, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
But RKG doesn’t mean a guy has to have a spotless attendance record in Sunday school.
Passion. Emotion. Enthusiasm. That’s what Garrett preaches. Finnegan passes that test – in my book. But what do I know.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Well if he's on the team that is all that needs to be known.
In JG I trust.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Also, we're not signing Finnegan
Orlando Scandrick is going to make $7 million guaranteed next year.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 6, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'll reply to this on your new post on RKG's
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I like Finnegan.
If the play works, never run it again. If it fails, keep running it.
First and goal at the one. Run it three times in a row, and then kick a field goal. Sound familiar?
Cortland gets a bad rap
He is a very aggresive corner who will not let other players intimidate him. This has led to some on field issues in the past. This does not mean he is an RKG. He scores very high in competiveness which is one of the critical factors the Cowboys use to identify a RKG. He has been a great teamate and off the field he is a very high character guy.
I would take him in a heartbeat.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Rod Woodson was a monster compared to T New.
Two completely different specimens.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I would take Rod Woodson RIGHT NOW at safety
before T “NOOooooo”-man
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 8, 2012 7:12 AM CST up reply actions
I liked Reggie Nelson coming out in the draft a few years back and still like him
Much better than Sensabaugh
In Romo we Trust
I don't know that much about him
But it appears there may actually be some affordable options at Free Safety.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
I like Nelson
Plays with a mean streak and has skills
We can watch him this weekend
and maybe get a read on his situation with the Bengals.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
We need a S with a mean streak. Haven't had one since Woodson and Roy Williams early
in his career.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Highly touted, was considered a bust when traded...
But the new scenery has helped…but his coverage and tackling skills were regularly questioned in Jax.
Just don’t trust his overall body of work to experiment with him at this point with what we need. We need a proven talent…nasty but who has been consistent in all phases.
Charles Woodsen ?
I know he plays a safety / nickel corner hybrid, but he is pretty good
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
"Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name"
"Really love your peaches, want to shake your tree"
He's a great player
But he’s old as the hills.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
Newman to S?
The same Newman that looks around for team-mates around so he doesn’t have to engage in a tackle?
T New to S is a terrible idea.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Hot garbage now...and I was the biggest defender until this year.
Never had hands, now can’t tackle, too fragile…and never had ball-awareness. And finally, he’s lost that extra gear he could always count on when he needed it.
If a FA Safety is signed
he should be an upgrade, then Elam is not resigned. If one is drafted, resign him to work in the rotation or back up.
I am looking at Martin from OSU in the second.
I would love to put him back there. He is the athlete and ball-hawk that we need on the back-end.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I like the categories
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Tell me Chia, is DeCastro a sure a thing as everyone says?
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
yes
he has Pro Bowl material
if the Cowboys were willing to trade up for Iupati, they will love DeCastro
"I got the 9 on me so I think I'm Romo"
Fabolous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
As I said in another post..........
the men who post on this board know what the Boys need to improve next year.
Anyone who saw our DB play in all those games we lost in the fourth quarter know we have to replace Newman.I don’t see anyone who is an instant starter for the position we are drafting in.
I just hope the coaches run the draft and Jerry has enough sense to let them.If not we suck untill Jerry dies.
I see many mocks have us taking Dennard.He sure didn’t show anything in his bowl game.
If we can get a decent FA corner it makes this draft a lot easier.
Very true
Even Patrick Peterson didn’t shut people down his rookie year. It usually takes CB’s a yr or two to really step in the nfl. And there’s not a cb in the draft as good as Peterson. So FA may be where we have to go here, either way I think we need to draft a cb this yr but we can possibly do it in the 2nd instead of the 1st if we get one in FA. But ur stud CB’s usually come in the first. It’s a crappy situation. There r going to be growing pains with a rookie cb, we needed 1 a yr or two ago.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 7:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Morris Claiborne
Peterson’s old teammate is considered a better pure CB prospect than Peterson was. Peterson was a better overall prospect because of his ability to take a punt for a TD every time.
Ive watched both play a lot and I don't see Claiborne shuting down receivers like Peterson did.
I may be wrong but I think Peterson is better. Regardless we aren’t going to be able to draft Claiborne so the point still stands.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Peterson might actually take off if he were moved to S imo
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I eat sleep and drink LSU. Claiborne is better. He is more polished.
Peterson though has the higher upside. Claiborne is a good return man in his own right for kickoffs. He was a 3 star wr coming out of high school.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Jan 6, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Denard looked pretty good pressing Jeffrey. He had one slip that cost him, but overall he was effective.
The jump ball for the TD happened because he didn’t press him allowing Jeffrey to get downfield where he towered over all the DBs. Denard is small 5’8"-5’ 10", but he’s a gamer and considered better than the Gmen’s Prince. So, while I think there will be other BPAs available at #14, I wouldn’t be unhappy with Denard, although I think we’ll draft someone else.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I'm for trading
down if Kirkpatrick and DeCastro are off the board. Then get your OL guy or Dennard later in the first. You can get good value corners in the second plus a guy like Vince Curry from Marshall should still be around as a pass rusher.
DE or OLB
whichever we can get that can rush the passer seriously and take the pressure off of Ware.
After that its got to be O LINE.
I agree that we can get help for CB in FA.
And we will have money to spend. We cannot get in a bidding war with teams like TB and company, but we can get a couple of mid priced FA’s or one big price.
I have this fantasy about Mario Williams….
you and me both Burma
I have this fantasy about Mario Williams….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't there someone younger better and cheaper than mario?
Calias or something?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
That's who I was thinking of.
Hopefully we can get him
I'm not saying Tony Romo is the reincarnation of the mythical Romulus. I'm just saying
Doubt it
Calais was a beast this year so the Cards aren’t letting him walk. If they don’t work out an extension he’s prob getting tagged.
by Gen_cornrow_wallace on Jan 6, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
last i heard they were talking extension before the season even ended.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 6, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Marios only 26.
If we can clear cap space and he’s willing to stay at OLB, I’d consider it. I agree the Cards are unlikely to let Campbell walk under any circumstances, but if they did I’d prefer him slightly over Mario.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Good Job Tom
It is never to early to look ahead and see what is needed to get better. The surprises the Cowboys will throw at us in the coming months will indeed cause many adjustments to list. Reality is a pain. When I listed the players that should be upgraded or may be lost on the roster and add to that the players we need to draft now for the future it always is far more the the impact draft picks we have. Try it yourself. JG and co have a real fun time ahead.
this is true every year for most teams
the truth is, there simply aren’t enough quality players to create a “dream team”.
There where always be more holes and “upgrade needed” roster spots than there are players.
The trick is to find ways to maximize your impact players while minimizing the role of your lesser players. Don’t waste your time and energy on guys who can’t play or don’t fit (no matter what their draft status or contract number is). Always keep an eye out for talent (keep in mind some guys are cut because they don’t fit the scheme, not because they can’t play) and trust your scouting dept and player personnel dept to do their jobs – and get rid of them if they don’t.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
2009- the Great Suckitude Draft
While it’s true every year is a balancing act, our expiring contracts and drop off in talent were exacerbated by this particular draft.
I can’t find the link but there wasa statistic (on I think Draftek) that showed we have the 3rd worst percentage of players still on our team for years 2009-2011- behind only Chicago and I want to say Denver (not sure about that one). When you factor in that the players we still have from 2009 include NO starters and possibly a kicker soon to be let go), it actually probably puts us dead last.
I don’t see how that one draft along won’t force us into FA spending in 2013 (as we are still limited in 2012) just to stay competitive
Together, we WILL make it happen!
by nikeorlipstick on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
2009 draft definately put us behind the ball
but we have had two solid drafts and a third one should give Dallas a core of players to build around.
Dez, Sean Lee and Lissemore from 2010 & 2011 has potential to be pretty good as well. Smith and Murray have proven they can play. If Carter, Arkin, Dewayne Harris, Chapas or Nagy all have potential. A good 2012 draft would go a long way to erasing the memory of the dumpster fire that was the 2009 draft.
Also, I forgot how bad the Cowboys drafted from 1995 to 2001. The best players we got from those drafts – Dat Nguyen, Dexter Coakley, Greg Ellis and Flo Adams. Filled with a lot of Kavika Pittman, Dwayne Goodrich and Quincy Carter type picks. Man I hope those days are over.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Your lips to God's ears
I think JG is a long range planner ( although the jury is still out on thinking quickly on his feet and adjusting in-game) so I have hope we won’t relive those kinds of drafts.
I found the link with the success rates of teams- Ugly. I would argue it’s even less successful than shown as it only acknowledges whether still on team but we have no 3rd yr impact players at all
http://www.drafttek.com/ConsolidatedNFLDraft-stillwithteam.ASP
Together, we WILL make it happen!
by nikeorlipstick on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Spears Played 16 Games????
I thought he was injured because I never ONCE heard his name called. Cut him.
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
Spears signed a 5 yr contract
I doubt he will go anywhere anytime soon
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Oh Good
Maybe we can land Landry Jones next year
He's staying
Wants to play for a title next year
by blackgallagher on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
God, I hope not. Really don't like the guy.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Disagree on several fronts
RB – I think this position is priority 4, not 5. Always looking for a big back or blocking FB if one drops in your lap.
WR – priority 4, need more than just 3 good WRs, Holley and Ogletree need replaced with better talent and more potential.
TE – This should be a priority 3 as Bennett is as good as gone next year. I like Phillips but in our offense you’re always looking for the next Jason Witten
OT – Definitely a priority 2 for a backup tackle. Parnell is garbage.
OG/C – Definitely a priority 1. Our offense will never reach elite status if Costa, Kosier, Holland, Dockerty, Nagy, Kowloski and Arkin are still all our interior OL. We need a stud within this group.
S – This should be a priority 1 just as much as CB…huge lack of talent in this position.
Now obviously some of these priorities will change after FA, but right now OL, DB, OLB are priority 1.
In Romo we Trust
I don't think we have 4 first round picks
:-(
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 6, 2012 9:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They don't all have to be first round players
Obviously some can be FAs as well as early to mid round players
In Romo we Trust
Agree on OG/C - that's definitely a priority 1
We have to remember that every year 6 of our games are played against the Eagles/Giants/Skins, all of whom have stout defensive lines and can really get after the passer. All three of them absolutely blew up our OL, and did 90% of their damage up the middle. If we are going to compete in this division year in and year out we have to build an elite OL. The easiest way to do that is to draft elite OL players, including G and C.
We don’t know yet what we have with Arkin. With a year or two under Coach Woj, maybe he’s a player. Lumpy was decent once he came back, but he has limited upside and limited time left. Kosier has been solid for years, but he’s injury-prone and on his last legs, and he can’t detect and stop a twist to save his life. Nagy was terrible, but he’s young, and maybe Woj can make him a player. Same with Kowalski. I have no hope for Costa – he’s unredeemable.
If DeCastro is there at #14, we simply have to take him. Plug him in at LG next to Smith at LT (and with Free at RT), and we have dramatically improved our OL. If somehow Arkin develops into something, then we have 4/5 of our OL set for the next 10 years.
With Center being a glaring need
How about the Texans’ Chris Myers? His contract is up and he had a Pro Bowl quality year, but with Arian Foster and Mario Williams contracts up as well is unlikely to be held. Would be a MASSIVE upgrade.
"Thanks Ed, good hairpiece" - Tony Romo
would be on board
for Center to be addressed in FA. Rookies and younger guys often aren’t experienced enough to make line calls/adjustments
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach
Other good options are the packers and chargers centers
Lots of FAs in San Diego might lead the 30 year old to walk, and green bay is famous for letting guys go instead of paying them.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 6, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Love the Moxy Piney
Newman is Bad!
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Jan 6, 2012 8:34 AM CST reply actions
Pass rushing DE solves a lot of problems at once
Quinton Coples would solve DE and pass rush at once
A lot of people don’t like him but if he has less of a motor than JJ Watt he also has even more talent.
As I have been saying either draft Quinton Coples or sign Jason Jones.
Get one of those guys and Spencer will be ok,
I would like to see this off season
Draft Quinton Coples in round one
Draft Steven Gilmore or Chase Minifield in round two
then trade picks 3.4.5.6.7
and draft Chandler Jones in round two
In addition to the above
Sign Jason Jones
Try to get Jason Smith for a contract friendly number.
I really want to laugh at u when u say trade our 3,4,5,6,7 picks.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
by Dynamicduo on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php
That is what it would cost.
JAGs = Busts
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 6, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
That it was what it costs to get back into the second round
2010
4th AOA
5th Sam Young
6 Jamar Wall.
Most guys taken after round 3 end up being jags or being cut.
you gotta pay to get the players you want
Mario Williams would have been worth
every player the Cowboys selected in
2006
2007
2008
2009
If you get your guy it is not a dumb idea
If you draft a bust you replace him with a JAG
If you draft a JAG then you still got a jag
if you miss out on a great player then you feel sick
drafting JAGS isn’t much different than drafting busts.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 6, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather sign Jones than take a chance on Coples. Potential for a bust too great. Hate guys with no motor.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I’d rather sign Jones than take a chance on Coples. Potential for a bust too great. Hate guys with no motor.
I do understand that reasoning . Drafting Coples would be like playing the lottery.
Compared to Decastro
If they both hit it big then you are better off with Coples.A great defensive end is worth more than a great guard.
but DeCastro is a far safer choice.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 6, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
And if Romo gets injured because we have no protection
up the middle it won’t matter because we won’t be able to score any points … reasons not to do this.
1. You have a 60 plus million dollar QB in his 30’s
2. You have 2 maybe 3 30 million dollar receivers that will never get the ball
3. You have 1 50 million dollar TE that will never get the ball.
So in drafting DeCastro… you are making sure that each one of the players above is not a waste of money for an entire season.
RexP
you still think games are won by the defense, dont you? so 2000's
it’s obvious from your list of draft needs that


