Fortify a strength, or improve a weakness: what seems to work in the NFL
The upcoming 2012 NFL draft will either propel the Cowboys to future success, or continued mediocre performance. Thanks to poor drafts in the recent past, it is easier to point to the positions that are solid, than list all of the team needs.
DeMarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, and Sean Lee solidify one outside linebacker, defensive line, and inside linebacker position on defense. Mike Jenkins is still a question mark at cornerback, but is coming off a solid season in 2011.
On offense, Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Tyron Smith, Miles Austin, and DeMarco Murray are the reasons that the Cowboys should feel confident standing pat at the positions of quarterback, tight end, offensive tackle, wide receiver, and running back. In addition, a strong case could be made that Dez Bryant, Doug Free, and Dan Bailey will also help the positions of wide receiver, offensive tackle (likely on the right side), and kicker contribute to future success in Dallas.
That leaves all three interior offensive line positions, two defensive line positions, an inside and outside linebacker position, and at least one cornerback position, as well as both safety positions. So three offensive line positions, and seven defensive positions need an immediate upgrade. A new punter may also be needed.
Here lies the great debate. What philosophical premise do most Cowboys fans support in regards to the development of a competitive team?
"What?" may be uttered aloud? Here is the crux of the decision Jason, Jerry, and Stephen have:
There are obviously many needs that need to be addressed on the Cowboys defensive unit. The defense is obviously the most talent starved unit on this Dallas team. Should the Cowboys draft the best defensive players available, or...
Should the Cowboys draft the best interior offensive lineman available, given that the talent levels between the defensive player and offensive lineman are on par with one another? Drafting a great guard would obviously move towards solidifying the strongest unit on the team.
The practical example is easy to present. Assuming that the Dallas scouting department has similar grades on Melvin Ingram (DE, South Carolina), Dre Kirkpatrick (CB, Alabama), and David DeCastro (OG, Stanford), with all three available at pick 14 in the 2012 NFL draft, which player should the Cowboys select?
This basic problem exists in all competitive situations. Should an individual or organization allocate resources towards the area of relative strength, or should the weakest part of the whole be given a higher priority?
Listening to many draft pundits, sports radio talk show hosts, former football players, and former NFL front office types, an argument is made to allocate the best resources towards the improvement of the weakest unit in order to facilitate winning with a balanced team. Finding a great pass rusher to line up opposite the elite DeMarcus Ware could have several benefits. Having a great pass rusher pressure the quarterback from one side, should elevate the performance of the best defensive player on the unit, DeMarcus Ware.
With a partner effectively rushing the quarterback from the opposite side, Ware should have more opportunities to make a difference. Regardless, greater pressure exerted on the quarterback with only a 4-man rush would also greatly help the secondary. Just look at how the recently crowned NFC East division champions, New York Giants allocated their resources on defense.
But if the Cowboys were to take Dre Kirkpatrick, the secondary is greatly improved. The Dallas secondary is obviously the weakest part of the defense. Drafting a great cornerback directly addresses the biggest weakness on the weakest unit. In essence, it is the extreme of the philosophical construct: address the weakest part of the weakest unit.
On the other hand, drafting a blue-chip offensive guard, such as David DeCastro does very little to improve the weakest unit on the team. Fortifying the weakest link on the offensive line, however, may make the Cowboys offense incredibly explosive. By scoring more points and effectively running (or controlling) the ball, the defense is indirectly helped.
So which approach would lead to more wins?
Fortunately, the NFL has offered a possible answer to that question. Look at the most successful teams in the NFL playoffs this season:
Green Bay (15-1, #1 seed in the NFC): #3 on offense, #32 on defense in NFL
San Francisco (13-3, #2 seed in NFC): #26 on offense, #4 on defense in NFL
New Orleans (13-3, #3 seed in NFC): #1 on offense, #24 on defense in NFL
New England (13-3, #1 seed in AFC): #2 on offense, #31 on defense in NFL
Baltimore (13-3, #2 seed in AFC): #15 on offense, #3 on defense in NFL
San Francisco and Baltimore have dominant defenses with a poor and an average offense. Green Bay, New Orleans, and New England have elite offenses, but with poor defenses.
Chances are very good that two teams will face off in the Super Bowl with obvious deficiencies on one side of the ball (only Baltimore has an average unit combined with a great unit). Most of the top five teams in the NFL rely heavily on their offense to win games. In fact, the top three offenses in the league are the three favorites to win the Super Bowl.
Which way will the Cowboys lean?
Consider that Jason Garrett is an offensive coach that is the head coach. Remember that Garrett oversaw the drafting of Tyron Smith with the ninth overall selection of the 2011 NFL draft. That pick broke the longest active streak in NFL history of not drafting an offensive lineman in the first round.
Recognize that the greatest asset on the Dallas Cowboys at this time is quarterback Tony Romo. Because of shoddy blocking Romo has missed all or significant parts of 12 games over the last two seasons. That does not include the other 6 games (at least) where Romo had to play hurt over the course of the last two years.
Because of poor blocking, Tony has been limited in more than half of the games over those last two seasons. That means that the effectiveness of Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, DeMarco Murray, and Jason Witten has also been compromised. From a financial standpoint, that translates to approximately $20 million in salary that has been rendered ineffective.
There is also the possibility that Jerry Jones would prefer to have a high-scoring team over a stouter defensive unit. High-scoring teams tend to sell more tickets, have higher accessory sales (e.g., jerseys), garner more attention, and have more success than defensively stout units.
So assuming that very little difference exists between a great offensive guard and a great defensive player at a position of need, which way should the Cowboys lean?
Which way would you go?
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With a dominant OL the team will be set for a decade on offense.
Why not fortify that with the best OG on the board, rather than just start to fix the D?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I remember when Romo said that on the NFL Network after defeating Tampa Bay.
That was a great quote that was glossed over. I thought it showed Romo’s dry, witty sense of humor.
Thanks for the reply. I also feel that Dallas could have a great offensive line for a decade with DeCastro at left guard, Tyrpn Smith at left tackle, and Doug Free at right tackle. I do not think that it is a coincidence that Adrian Peterson has been on a tear since the Vikings acquired Hutchinson at guard.
5Blings makes a great point in his post that Harbaugh made such a big impact because he was able to get the most out of an already talented team. He points out that the 49ers invested heavily on offensive and defensive linemen.
Jimmy Johnson’s teams were successful because of great offensive and defensive line play. Those 90’s Cowboys may have had the greatest offensive line in the history of the NFL. What some people forget is that the defensive front was also great.
Leon Lett, Chad Hennings, Tony Tolbert, Russell Maryland, Tony Casillas, and Charles Haley rotated through the defensive front four. I believe all of those players made at least one Pro Bowl through the course of their respective careers.
Waiting one more season to start building the defensive front seven may delay post season success by one more year. In addition, an argument could be made that an improvement of equal talent on the defense would have a greater impact on defense.
I wonder what will happen with Arkin and Nagy
I believe they, esp Arkin, were projects with potential. I hope they improve in the offseason and improve the interior of the line.
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"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Draft DeCastro if he's there and you upgrade the OL immensely. Switch Free and Tron.
Draft Jones from Georgia if a Center is needed ,ie., not on the roster or not available in FA. Get 1-2 D players or more in FA and use the other 5-6 picks on D, which will improve the D, albeit, not make the D elite. The O should be elite and score as much as the Pack and the Saints.
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That would lead to a rapid turn around for the Boys.
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Rec'd ScarletO
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But perhaps a rapid turnaround is not the best solution...
While I would really like to be anticipating a playoff game next year at this time, like most Cowboys fans, I really want a Super Bowl victory. The NFL is organized to reward poor performance and discourage excellence.
Most call it “parity”.
If the Cowboys again finish 8-8 next season, Dallas will be selecting around 16-18 again. Several quality starters could again be obtained through the draft, and an easier schedule in 2013 would be the result.
This team is not a few players away or just a season away from winning a Super Bowl. Look at the needs I listed above: there are at least 10 positions needing significant upgrades in talent.
Dallas will perhaps walk away from the 2011 NFL draft (and rookie free agent period) with 5 good to great players: Tyron Smith, Bruce Carter (based on pure speculation at this point), DeMarco Murray, Dan Bailey (undrafted rookie free agent), and maybe David Arkin (who had very good reviews prior to the draft, although not as good as Bruce Carter). Filling at least 10 holes on this team will not be accomplished in just one post season.
In addition, the effect of a drop off between an elite guard (like DeCastro), and a good guard is not going to affect this team nearly as much as an improvement from an average pass rusher (e.g., Spencer) to a great pass rusher that could consistently get 10 sacks a game. That pressure helps the secondary cover, should lead to more turnovers, and give the offense a shorter field.
by ScarletO on Jan 6, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Just thinking that our greatest asset is Romo and he's taking too much pressure.
He’s been hurt the last two seasons and while he still played in the finale against the Gmen, he was not himself dodging the Gmen’s passs rush. I really want to protect him before his window is closed. I understand positioning for better drafts and better young players. I even posed a question if it were better to have boom years followed by bust year as the Niners recently had or be mired in mediocrity as the Boys have been. I don’t know the answer, but the Saints, Packers and Pats have been able to accomplish this while concentrating on one elite unit. Our potentially elite unit potentially is the O, so that’s my reason for wanting to go with DeCastro if he’s available. Jones is not likely to be there in the 4th round, but in the fourth we can look at Gerhart from ASU, or Wedige from N Illinois if there is no C on our roster. In FA if we can get Mario, which is more likely than Campbell try to do it if he’ll stsy at OLB. Avril or Jones would upgrade the D. We could still get a good CB or OLB in the second and third rounds. Do you think that is too unrealistic to make us competetive with the Saints, Pack and Niners?
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# edit potentially -dellet one of them
and If he’ll stay at OLB delete stsy.
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Delete one potentially sorry!
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I really want one of these!
to a great pass rusher that could consistently get 10 sacks a game.
Seriously, nice post and rec.
How about going after Mario as a FA if we can work out a contract.
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Like your work sir
i hope fortifying both lines becomes becomes the theme….throw “has potential”,“needs work” , or “total project” darts at upgrading weakness …unless Deon or Ronnie Lott reenter the draft. Stockpile the trenchs
Thanks.
After watching the Eagles and Giants control the lines of scrimmage against Dallas, I tend to agree with you. I think the difficult question would be, if DeCastro and Claiborne (CB, LSU: #1 CB prospect compared to Patrick Peterson from 2011 NFL draft) happened to be there at 14, what should the Cowboys do?
I highly doubt that Claiborne, however, falls out of the top ten. DeCastro may very well be available. I am leary about Coples because of his questionable effort this season, but the Cowboys will call Butch Davis to see if this is really a problem.
Claiborne, probably, but he'll be gone in the top 5 or 6 at the most.
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Good question, Scarlet
The way the NFL is organized these days, the difference between a postseason berth (success) and staying at home in January (failure) is winning your divisional games. Win more than you lose, and chances are very high that you’ll make the playoffs,
So what do the Cowboys need to defeat the Giants and Eagles (and the Redskins convincingly)? Somebody to get to Eli, Vick and even sexy Rexy or whoever it’ll be next year. That can be a DE or OLB, but the Cowboys have got to bring more pressure.
That was my criticism last year, and the Cowboys haven’t really addressed it, so I’ll stick to my guns again this year.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 6, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions
some Ratliff freindly de's?
Eagles made us look slow across the board…as the salsa man….Redskins quietly building a decent looking defense
by RKO on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks.
But what has kept the Cowboys from advancing in the last few post season appearances?
I have thought that the offensive line has been the biggest limiting factor once the team was IN the playoffs. If you include the season ending losses at Philadelphia in 2008 and at New York in 2011, the offensive line strongly contributed to those losses also.
I really like your argument. I have not looked at that angle in relation to the draft, but I think it is very accurate. Dallas needs to beat the Giants and Eagles to make the playoffs. I could argue that improving the offensive line would negate the realtive strengths of both division rivals, but need to mull it around some.
Winning the division and getting a bye, is much more conducive to making a deep run to the Super Bowl, than getting in as a Wild Card team. I will have to put more thought into your argument.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
What else was a common tread?
We couldn’t score on the eagles or giants in game 2. Why? Our OL was manhandled by their DL.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
just two words to answer this question
DEMARCO MURRAY.Drafting decastro may make this offense elite. just think of the 99 st louis rams. do anyone remember there defense, i think not. I believe the cowboys have the next great back in the nfl. this offense would be unstoppable.
Ideally, it would be great to get everything.
I think a quality cornerback, like Stephon Gilmore (CB, South Carolina) or Jonathan Banks (CB, Mississippi State) will be available after the first round. Markelle Martin (FS, Oklahoma State) might be worth a third round flyer, and he is presently projected as a late second, early third round prospect.
I read on Rafael Vela’s site that Wes Bunting sees injured junior North Carolina DE Donte Paige-Moss (6’ 4", 260) as a first round talent that has not played well this season. Like his teammate, Quentin Coples, Donte has been reported as not playing as hard this season.
Coples had 10 sacks last season, while Paige-Moss had 7. This season, Coples finished with 7.5 sacks, and Paige-Moss with only 2. It makes me wonder if Coples and Paige-Moss are having poor seasons because of a change in coaches from former Dallas DC Butch Davis.
If that is the case, a call to Butch should clarify the situation. He has no dogs in the fight, and should have a solid opinion. Neither of these guys were caught up in the scandal that cost Butch his job, so character does not seem to be the problem.
Currently, Donte Paige-Moss is projected as a 6th or 7th round selection. If Butch recommends it, Dallas could have its steal of the draft, and new bookend opposite Ware in the sixth round.
Haven't seen Martin much out on the west coast, but he got burned a lot in the Stanford game.
I realize Luck was the QB and Stanford’s OL is as good as Wisconsin’s, but Stanford essentially has played this year with no outside receivers. So, I can’t really assess him very well.
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Losing to the Gmen and getting the 14 pick has changed my approach to the draft.
I never thought we’d have a chance at DeCastro, but at #14, we have a real shot at him.
I originally wanted this to be strictly RR’s draft, but I could never pass on DeCastro. This kid solidfies the OL for a decade with Tron at LT and Free at RT. That’s too good to pass up.
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If you look at the prospects coming out, DeCastro is a distinct possibility.
Here is the breakdown of some of the players different services have ranked in the top 10:
3 OT’s
2 QB’s
2 CB’s
2 DE’s
1 DT
1 ILB
1 WR
1 RB
1 OG
That is 14 players. I think the QB’s, Luck and Griffin III will be taken within the first three selections. I would not be surprised if a team like Seattle panicked a little and went after Tannehill at 11 or 12. The OT’s will also be gone by the time Dallas is on the clock.
Dallas will probably have a shot at DeCastro or a good pass rushing OLB. If lucky, perhaps the Cowboys could collect both…
I love that kind of talk SO.
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Question SO, do you not put Alshon Jeffrey as a top 10 pick? I project him for the Skins after
they sign Flynn as their QB
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Stay on target
If Garrett’s main purpose was to invigorate the O-line, then stay the course. It’s certainly not complete.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
by 5Blings on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry - you were saying?
A three year starter for the Cardinal, he’s been creating running lanes for the likes of Toby Gerhart, Stepfan Taylor and Jeremy Stewart, as well as keeping Andrew Luck on his feet.
DeCastro comes in as the highest rated guard in the 2012 NFL Draft, and has shown potential to be a Top 15 selection, and potentially Top 10.
DeCastro is very light on his feet as he has shown that he’s the best pulling/trapping guard in the nation. Versatility to play both guard positions at the next level, and having long arms to keep defenders in front of him in pass protection.
He's the closest thing to Larry Allen that we potentially could draft.
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I Watched a lot of Stanford football in2011 and this kid was such a consistent force for that team,
I’d cry if he were there and we passed.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM CST reply actions
FiTaT
I do not understand your comment?
by firejasongarrett on Jan 6, 2012 4:33 PM CST reply actions
ya my computer does weird things sometimes.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, dude too much!
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Why encourage that kind of condescending meanness? That jerk could, ya know,
get off his high horse and actually explain it to someone who asked a sincere question.
Fernie my LOL was sarcastic, I agree with you. FiTaT is a bright guy, but tends to be very
Condescending and rude. I had a run in with him before last years draft about Tron’s supposed knee problem. After awhile he figured out I was a physician and backed off.
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Okay, I'm glad to read that. I don't find number crunching inherently interesting, and
if it’s not accompanied by a narrative for those of us who couldn’t care less about raw stats, I tune out. That’s what’s so admirable about OCC; he uses stats to explain and edify, not bludgeon.
is it an ironic comment
on all the conjecture in the comments?
by firejasongarrett on Jan 6, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
it’s nothing.
if you want material germane to this discussion go post a comment on the last WMQB.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 6, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know, don't care. I guess you'll have to ask in his WWQB post, sort
of like following the yellow brick road. If I had to guess, I suppose it might be related to his never-ending pissiness that the Cowboys drafted Smith instead of JJ Watt.
how are you part of a conversation between FJG and me bunny boiler?
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 7, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
How is anyone part of any conversation, bunny boiler?
You jump in any time you feel like it, too, with your numbers strings and snarky comments. Worse, the fact that you keep a running record of things people said to you months ago, is just creepy. Who is the stalker, bunny boiler? The poster asked me if it was an inside joke, and I attempted to guess at what I thought you were getting at, since you continually belly ache over months’-old arguments, the fact that people disagree with you, and the notion that, if only everyone would listen to your wisdom and learn how to read your graphs, the world would be a better place. Now, why don’t we go back to you blocking me, if you ever really did, after I told you a few months ago that you were rude? You’ll be much happier, I think.
I am pretty sure FiTaT is saying that ScarletO is trying to find a pattern where there isn't one.
Just like how in that number pattern people will see a pattern where none exists.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
One interesting thing that I noticed from your post was that all of the top teams (except Baltimore) had either a strong offense/poor defense or vice versa. I think by adding Decastro our offense may very well be elite and able to overcome poor defensive play. Remember, we only had 5 rushing touchdowns this year and at least one of those was a qb sneak.
i agree
I think our offense can be elite adding Decastro.I think the boys should look for a d-lineman via free agency or cb. An elite offense can help out a average defense. with a great offensive line we win the new england game and the first giant game
and the arz game and the jets game and the lions game
sigh..
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
no matter how good the defense gets,no romo no playoffs
we don’t even have a back up QB that ready to step in just in case. we need to protect romo. open holes for murray and jones.
That's my biggest concerm, Romo's health. He must be protected.
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One more plug for DeCastro:
If he really is a top 5 overall talent, at a position of great need, and we pass on him at #14 then I think that would be very foolish.
I don’t care about the great need . If you see the fifth best player on your draft board at number 14 then you go for him.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 8, 2012 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
But do you wait until 14 then?
What if he’s there at 9 or 10, do you trade up?
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
depends but DeCastro at 9 isn’t the great choice he would be at 14. Though he still might be a great choice at 9
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 9, 2012 2:13 AM CST up reply actions
here’s my contribution. lets see who advances in the playoffs.
the teams with the best offenses or the teams with the best balance.
TEAM / OPASS / DPASS / DIF
PIT / 7 / 4.9 / 2.1
HOU / 7 / 5.2 / 1.8
NO / 7.8 / 6.3 / 1.5
NYG / 7.7 / 6.4 / 1.3
GB / 8.3 / 7.2 / 1.1
DET / 6.9 / 5.9 / 1
PHI / 7 / 6 / 1
OAK / 7.2 / 6.3 / 0.9
NE / 7.9 / 7.1 / 0.8
TEN / 6.5 / 5.9 / 0.6
BAL / 5.9 / 5.4 / 0.5
ATL / 6.8 / 6.4 / 0.4
CIN / 6 / 5.8 / 0.2
DAL / 6.9 / 6.7 / 0.2
SD / 7.2 / 7 / 0.2
SF / 5.9 / 5.9 / 0
ARI / 5.9 / 6 / -0.1
CHI / 5.8 / 6.1 / -0.3
NYJ / 5.6 / 5.9 / -0.3
MIA / 5.9 / 6.3 / -0.4
SEA / 5.6 / 6.1 / -0.5
WAS / 6 / 6.5 / -0.5
CAR / 6.9 / 7.6 / -0.7
BUF / 6.2 / 6.9 / -0.7
CLE / 5.1 / 5.9 / -0.8
KC / 5.8 / 6.7 / -0.9
DEN / 5.2 / 6.4 / -1.2
MIN / 5.3 / 6.8 / -1.5
STL / 4.8 / 6.3 / -1.5
TB / 5.9 / 7.6 / -1.7
IND / 5.3 / 7 / -1.7
JAC / 4.2 / 6.1 / -1.9
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 6, 2012 5:13 PM CST reply actions
hou is obviously a special case since they lost their QBs.
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Jan 6, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
This might he heresy, another OLman with our first round pick, but
only if it’s DeCastro, since he’s the only OL prospect likely to be there at #14. Otherwise we shift our strategy back to D and pick up a G or C later in the draft.
I can’t wait for FA, dump the dead wood and bad contracts and get some talent that will improve the pass rush or help protect Romo. If a DB is available and the price is right, I’m ok with that as well, but the OL and the pass rush are key. The draft is deep at CB so we can find someone good in April.
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if decastro is there i pull the trigger
i think the difference between him and other guards is greater than the one of CB’s, i think stephon gilmore is too far from kirkpatrick or dennard and he could be there in the second
i would even consider Peter Konz, i’m tired of Costa
I look at DeCastro the same way I think the war room looked at Tron.
They got a sweet offer to trade down for a extra pick and would have been able to get probably any of the other OT’s except for Tron. They refused that trade down and stuck with Tron as they considered his ability to pull and block as so superior to every other “elite” OT in the draft that they wouldn’t let him slip away from them.
I believe they will use a similar standard for DeCastro. Is he so much better than the next one we can get that we can’t afford to let him pass us bye? Potential pro-bowl G, or 3rd/4th choice in CB?
Exactly
we could of the best line for 10years. LT LG all pro young studs, teams would be force to try to exploit the right side which would be easier for us to have the rb or te chip on that side. Itd be a lot easier assinging protections. Similar to what they say a great CB can help the rest of secondary focus on everyone else.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Big, what about Free who could dominate at RT.
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oh i know!
When you add in that and killer K possibly/Kosier being center wow, to me it has to be a no brainer to take the best guard since Hutch
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I heard rumors he was hurt
do you know anything more? IF so, it would put me at ease.
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not anything more that rumors but consider
Last year Free blocked both Mario Williams and Julius Peppers in back to back weeks and didn’t give up a sack.
He is no where the same player as he was.
Free is a great athlete when healthy, I believe that the problem It is not that he can not play LT it is that he got hurt.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Actually we got lucky with Smith. He was a risky pick. I think it will turn out great.
But the more chances you take the more likely you will get burned
Then again Green Bay went for “the safe choice” in 2006 took AJ Hawk and got a jag
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
How was Smith a risky pick?
He had solid technique, strength, agility and a great work ethic.
I am happy with the choice.
JJ Watt was safer but I wanted Smith then and I am happy we got him
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
JJ Watt was sure thing and will be an all pro
Tyron Smith not such a sure thing but he will be an all pro
We did at least as well as getting Watt but we took a gamble
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
What about David Arkin?
Hudson Houck when asked by Mickey Spagnola during training camp about Arkin’s future he thought Arkin could play G or C. I would like to see us draft DeCastro and Kelechi Osemele to play LG and RG with Arkin at C. And of course switching Smith and Free.
LT – Tryon Smith
LG – David DeCastro
C – David Arkin
RG – Kelechi Osemele
RT – Doug Free
The answer is neither
Always go Bpa or trade the pick
We should not take Decastro cause we need a guard but because he likely will be a star.
Drafting for need leads to jags and busts
Example
Shante Carver
Tyron Smith?
This debate is unworthy, there is no one size fits all. Good to great teams can afford BPA because they have fewer needs. If bad teams don’t draft for need, then those needs remain and they stay bad(see DET Lions under M MIllen).
The Theory of Constraints talks about how an organizations performance is limited by the performance of its weakest link. Only improvements to that weakest link will produce system improvement because it is the biggest constraint. Its an interesting debate – since the conventional wisdom is it would take fewer parts to get the O top-tier, do you get those parts and then worry about the D?
I don't make mistakes...just understandable bad choices
Bad teams misjudge talent more than anything else
Tryon Smith was BPA or close to it along with JJ Watt.
I wanted Tyron but not so much cause he filled a need but because of his potential.
Matt Millen was not that he drafted BPA but that he misjudged talent except for Calvin Johnson.
Joey Harrington was Aaron Rodgers then Millen would not be a broadcaster rather he would still be with the Lions.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I really hate taking guards in the first round but you gotta go with what is there.
If DeCastro is there then we can’t fight fate.
I hope he is not there when the Cowboys select. As I said I hate taking guards in round one
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with drafting BPA
then go with need if there is a mix of similarly-rated players. We can fill holes with free agency but you’re constantly filling holes and playing whack-a-mole, you’ll be stuck at mediocrity as players get old and you’re just drafting mediocre fill ins. Go BPA because it not only improves your team more, but when veterans get old, you have their replacements.
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by ScottB1985 on Jan 7, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Jonathan
You don’t check the stats out very often do you? Have you checked the history of the draft for all positions and times they were drafted. I showed 12 years of QB drafting and what quality you got from each position in the draft.
For Example: of 25 QBs drafted in the 1st… during that span only one became an elite player.
That is a rate of 4%… there were also 4 QBs that did well for their teams or were what people consider good QBs over-all. Which gives you like 16%
of the QBs drafted after the 1st round… a total of 73 over that span… 4 became elite… and 14 others became good to 2nd tier QBs… that’s a rate of 5.4% for the elite… and 19.1% for the good players. Now… if you think that’s it’s such a great thing to throw all your marbles in on the first rounders you are more likely to fail with them then by picking normally and taking BPA in the area you need. Just to clarify only one of those elite QB’s was drafted in the 2nd the others came after the 5th round.
If I totaled up all the positions we could actually get a good idea of what players are best drafted in the 1st thru the 7th rounds.
RexP
Trying to make a point... not be redundent... I might do a fan post on that.
would be my first… lol
RexP
Go for it. FanPosts are fun.
Sounds like a great topic. You should be able to have enough content, and beefy content at that, to escape the watchful eye of thebigham, our ceremonial Chief of FanShot Police.
Write a good overview, and then lay out what you intend to communicate after the break. Then, do it! Enlighten us. It sounds like a good read already.
(Hands over crown)... Dude seriously you are the most optimistic Fan in the world……
--by I am Ironman!!! on Dec 17, 2011 4:55 AM CST
The success rate is much higher for high selections than low selections.
There is a Dan Marino , John Elway and Jimmy Kelly story but it is similar
but there is only one Tom Brady story .
If having more picks were the answer then the Cowboys ought to have traded down last year from #9 and missed Tyron.
Or perhaps they should have never traded up for Dez and Sean Lee.
At any rate your best chance for avoiding Jags and busts is to go BPA.
A jag isn’t that much better than a bust anyway.
And one star is worth how many jags?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 8, 2012 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
No there isn’t only one Tom Brady story…? There are plenty stories?
both Drew Brees and Bret Farve were not 1st Rounders
Joe Montana was not a 1st Rounder
Rich Gannon… Tom Brady… Tony Romo… Kurt Warner… the list goes on and on….
RexP
Most of the guys selected were still high picks
Drew Brees and Bret Farve high second
Montana 3rd
Warner and Romo would have cost no picks.
And the Cowboys had Montana rated ahead of Doug Cosbie but they passed on him cause they didn’t need a QB
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 9, 2012 2:08 AM CST up reply actions
OMG you must be young...
Ok just so you know….
Joe Montana HOF 3rd
Rodger Staubach HOF 10th
Fran Tarkenton HOF 3rd
Bart Starr HOF 17th
Norm Van Brocklin HOF 4th
George Blanda HOF 12th
Johnny Unitas HOF 9th
Bob Waterfield HOF 5th
Jim Finks HOF 12th
Dan Fouts HOF 3rd
Plus future HOFers that are not listed above…
Joe Theisman 4th rounder
Ken Stabler 2nd rounder
Joe Fergusen 3rd rounder
Bill Kenny 12th rounder
Pat Haden 7th rounder
Daryle Lamonica 12th rounder
Please before you quote stats… know what you are talking about… Tony Romo
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
whoooops Tony Romo and Kurt Warner are UDFAs
all that means is that teams past them over in every round they were still rookies that just didn’t get picked in the draft because the drafts shortened from 30 rounds to 7 rounds now.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
And they didn’t cost anyone anything to get
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Dude... you don't get it.
They weren’t drafted … so they didn’t cost the team anything. They were not picked so they were not considered by any team drafting as the BPA for that position period. So… they were not the #1-2 pick in the draft. They would have been picked by a team if we had 30 rounds of drafting because they picked until all the players were gone. It dropped to 20 rounds, then to 12, then 8 and now we’re at 7 round. Back in the day you could carry more players on your team too. Still… if they were considered top talent out of college and the scouts thought they were worth a number 1 pick in 1962 or 1989 they would have picked him. There’s plenty of players I didn’t list from 1970 up and a number of them will be in the HOF when their times is up. Some are still playing so we have to wait and see.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Tony Romo and Kurt Warner are nice stories ,
Very few QBs have been successful picked after round 4 since 1970
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
OK dude... grrrrrrrr
You keep moving the line up… now it’s the 4th round… I bet if I move it up to the 6th you have a better opportunity of being right. We started talking about trading up to get 1st round talent… I commented that the talent taken in the later rounds has been just as good. You quote Marino in one but then that same draft 6 QBs were taken in the 1st and 3 became HOF QBs but 2 others just floated off into never/never land. Tony Eason, Todd B…. for every one that makes it another didn’t. That was a great year too btw… in 1999 there were 6 QBs drafted in the 1st 2 rounds none will be in the HOF … Donavan McNabb was drafted 2nd Tim Couch 1st and Akili Smith 3rd picks overall… the others were 11th, 12th, and 50th… Donavan was the only one worthy of a sidenote.
RexP
and btw
After the 1st two rounds…. 35 QBs drafted 2x HOF 8x Superbowl
That doesn’t count UDFA’s also… add 2x to those….
RexP
Sure how many guys after round 3 after 1970?
Before 1970 teams were drafting with Street and Smiths Football so that doesn’t count.
And Staubach was a truly special case cause of his military service. So you gotta put a star next to that one anyway.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Jonathan
No matter what I say… you will disagree with me… It doesn’t make any difference… after 1970 there were many teams still having blowouts at No.1 picks… and costing their franchises forever. The smart money goes where the need is and not just any friggin player that is BPA. Simple and if you don’t understand it get a book. We don’t need to draft BPA… ask yourself this question… would you draft 7 OLB if they were all BPA when you were on the clock.this year? Would you do that?
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
and Rich Gannon was considered a journeyman until he started for the Raiders.
In fact -the list does not go on and on.
Joe Theisman and Marc Rypin and that is pretty much close to the end. Which goes to show just how unusual or even rare for late round picks to turn out great.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 9, 2012 2:10 AM CST up reply actions
Hypothetical
Lets say we go BPA and get DeCastro in round one , then we luck out and get Ingram (there is a rumor that he is fat) in round 2 . Lets say we then see a falling Janoris Jenkins still on the board at the end of round two do we not trade up and get him? What if the price is picks 3 4 5 6 7 (that is what the points tell us the value is) ?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 8, 2012 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
For Dallas to trade back into the lower second Round
which would be say the last 5 selections:
Pick #60- would take 3-6 and could possibly get a 6 rounder back
pick #61- 3-6 with a 6th rder coming back(188th)
Pick #62- 3-5 with a possible 7th rder coming back
Pick #63- 3,4,6 with no picks coming back
pick #64- Same as the #63 pick though could get a 7th rounder coming back
so More than likely we could move as far as #59 without using our seventh rounder, and as far as #63 without using our 5th, and 7th…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 8, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Bear in mind this is before Comp picks
which with change the value of the later picks
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 8, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
DeCastro then Defensive Backs
DeCastro keeps our defense off the field and DB’s cover long enough for the DL to get sacks. Upgrading DB’s will reduce the need for another pass rusher. Actually DB’s and DL play off each other — Weak or soft coverage DB’s make the DL’s job much more difficult (why you see many almost sacks). Weak or inconsistent pressure makes even a good DB’s job more difficult (almost any receiver can get open given 3-5 seconds). So we can improve our pass rush by improving our DB’s and going to more press coverage and we can improve our DB’s by improving the pass rush. Just depends on what is available at the time. But OG should be our first priority if he is still around.
Caution!
We should refrain from getting attached to a specific player. We have many needs and as long as we dont do something kooky ala Al Davis we should be fine. We are all but guaranteed at least one of the premier OL/CB/DE/LB/NT.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 8, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yessir! Well put. I can't wait until the offseason officially starts.
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I don't know that the defenses are that bad..
Green Bay scores so much that it alters the other team’s strategy, so there’s more passing and more possessions and therefore more yards and scoring. They’ve got some pretty good defenders on that team. Same goes for New Orleans.
I think the key is find a niche where you’re elite at one or 2 things that compliment each other, good at the things that support it, and if you have a weakness make it something that isn’t going to be exploited that often — for instance the Colts had a horrible run D for several years, but it rarely came into play because they were always ahead.
Right now this team is near elite at QB and maybe receiver, but the things that support and compliment them (o-line, pass D) are average to bad. Meanwhile, they’re pretty good against the run — but against better teams it hardly comes into play because they get lit up by the pass.
Drafting Philosophy
Something to think about when you are talking about players at various positions with equal grades is the position they play on the field.
Most pundits will tell you there are four positions that must be addressed on every team to make it balanced and good at the same time. They go: Quarterback, Left Tackle, Defensive End (pass-rusher mostly), and Cornerback. Other positions, no matter how skilled the player, take less importance in the draft. If you draft someone not from one of these positions, you better be taking a potential All-Pro.
With that kind of information, if Dre Kirkland is there with DeCastro, then you take the CB irregardless of anything else. Despite what people think, it’s exceedingly rare to find a quality CB later in the draft, although not impossible, but guards are routinely found later in the draft, even All-Pros. Now, if DeCastro and a excellent pass rushing end is there, it could get dicey. With Nagy, Arkin and Kowalski on the roster, I might lean towards the pass rushing end. Again, they are hard to find and rarely found past the first round whereas a guard can be had in the second and third rounds with ease.
While you don’t want to draft for need, you still have to be flexible and smart about who you draft and where. You’d love to have a dominate OL, but if you are paying half your salary cap to your OL, the rest of your team will suffer immensely and you’ll be very unbalanced. Garrett prefers balance and so do I.
by calmyron on Jan 7, 2012 2:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Then they should trade the pick if DeCastro is there. I'd still take him because he is that good, but if you don't want to burn the
pick on a guard at least take advantage of the situation.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I think you have to look at it from all perspectives.
Would you be opposed to spending a 1st round pick for a Larry Allen or Steve Hutchinson? Now I can’t gurantee that DeCastro is that good, but he the closest to a sure thing in this draft. Now I wouldn’t be unhappy with Dre, Ingram, and quite a few others, but is Dre another Revis, is Ingram another D Ware? I’m not saying there’s a clear answer here, but you must consider all the angles when deciding your choice.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
DeCastro
Improves running game, passing game, most importantly keeps Romo healthy!
If we had a better line, the NE game is a win without a doubt. One first down! Better line and Romo doesn’t have to scramble and fumble in the JETS game.
No one is saying ignore the defense but one first round pick this year and our offense is set for a decade!
Over the past 10 years more 1st rounders have gone for defense then offense, invest in the line and lets win some games!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
You make a good point nevertheless if you see a player with all pro potential then you gotta go for him.
If they are very close together then you can go for need. But if their is a substantial difference take the better player.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 7, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
I have to disagree with you.... since 1977
There have been 300 Guards taken in the draft 301 to be exact of those that have made the pro-bowl only 5 were drafted in the later rounds. Rounds 1 and 2 produced 12 Pro-bowl Guards, were as, the other 5 rounds only produced 5….
1st round: 18 picks 7 made the pro-bowl…
2nd round: 38 picks 5 made the pro bowl.
Later rounds: 245 picks produce 5 players with at least 1 pro-bowl appearance none were perennial pro-bowlers.
300 Tackles taken and they are even tougher… once the first two rounds are gone… not one tackle ever made the pro-bowl from rounds 3-7. 90 drafted in the 1st and 2nd: 24 made the pro-bowl.
109 Centers were taken… and you have a little better luck but not that many Centers are drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds so odds are better but still not as good as your top 2 spots. 45 drafted in the top two rounds 17 make the pro-bowl
RexP
Are you including Jason Peters, who was drafted by Buffalo.
He was a tight end in college and switched to left tackle. I believe that Dallas drafted several defensive lineman and converted them to offensive linemen with some success.
I do know that it is rare to find a Pro Bowl tackle outside of the first two rounds. It seems that some teams are able to find good pass rushers outside of the first round, but as with all other picks, it is easier to hit on pass rushers in the first round.
I see that Scouts Inc. now has Sam Montgomery (DE, LSU) listed as the 17th best player available. He is a redshirt sophomore that is listed at 6’ 4", 245 ponds. He has 9 sacks this season, but has not been evaluated by many services becuase he has not formally declared.
I would be fine if the 14th pick was a choice between Montgomery and DeCastro. It would be nice to find a way to get both.
Sorry made a mistake... didn't see notation on my chart corrections below....
480 OG have been taken since 1977 in the draft rounds 1-7 of that 37 made at least 1 trip to the pro-bowl that’s a rate of 7.7% overall. Four of them are now in the Hall of Fame, every HOFer was a 1st rounder except Russ Grimm who was selected in the 3rd round.
1st round 43 selected 17 became pro-bowl players that’s near 39.5% success rate.
2nd rounders 59 selected 10 successful… a rate of 16.9%
3rd round was 4% that’s why I included it with the bottom … only 3 of 75 drafted.
3-7 rounds 378 selections …. 10 were selected rate drops to 2.6%
Nagy was a 4th rounder.
Data on the Centers is correct.
RexP
aren’t you agreeing with me now about high picks?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 9, 2012 2:11 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
Johnathan never said anything about high picks I said if you chose to avoid the lower picks also you lose the opportunity to get those guys like Ratliff… like Brady… like Staubach… like thousands of others. You use your picks 1-7 for the guys you want based on the needs of your team not just BPA. BPA will leave you with bigger holes then you can cover. You can not use 15 Tom Brady’s or 15 Ware’s or 15 Aldon Smiths… that’s just plain insanity. You have to chose the areas you need … we have areas of need… Interior OL, CB, S, OLB/DE, DT you have to prioritize those needs and then pick BPA for that… that’s why they make a board… and go for the Best player available that fits their needs.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
Staubach would have been a high pick were it not for his military service. He won the Heisman Trophy. He wasn’t an unknown.
By the way
in 1979
The Cowboys have Staubach White & Carnano
We are set at QB
Lets pass up Joe Montana the highest player on our board.
Happy?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
1983
We got White and Hogeboom. We are set at QB
Lets pass up Dan Marino the highest player on our board.
Happy?
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
I went to FLA and all I got was this T Shirt.
= I went through the great 1983 draft and all I got was Jim Jeffcoat. ( who would have been pretty good some years) but who was a terrible choice considering all the talent in the 1983 draft.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Actually yes!!! I was Happy!
Hell John Elway, Jim Kelly and Marino went in that draft… So did Darelle Green, Tony Eason, Tod Blackledge, Ken O’Brien and Eric Dickerson… the draft was loaded. Tony E, Tod B, and Ken O… were drafted before Marino… Jim Jeffcoat was a great pick for Dallas and to slight him by saying we should have picked Marino is just plain BS. Jeffcoat had 102.5 sacks in the 8 years he played at RDE for us. Even in his final years he produced starting in just 7 games his last 3 years he still accumulate 24.5 sacks in situational play.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Marino is in the HOF
after Jeffcoat came Darrel Green who is in the HOF
Jeffcoast never made the probowl he got a lot of sacks because of Ed Jones and Randy White early and later because of Haley and Tobert, Jimmy Jones and Maryland.
I respect Jeffcoat and what he did, I also know what he wasn’t. He wasn’t even the best defensive end of that draft.
Truth be told the Cowboys blew the 1983 draft.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Our worst years drafting....
were the last 10 years Tom Landry was the coach… in those last 10 year from 79-88 Michael Irvin was our best draft pick and only HOF player from those years. Out of 135 draft picks only 4 players made the pro-bowl.
In retrospect… the Jerry Jones era….
209 draft pics
26 Pro-bowlers
3 HOF
and another 8 players that may get there. Larry Allen, Stepnoski, Witten, Ware, Wiseniewski, Flozel Adams, Darren Woodson, Erik Williams, and my favorite of all time … the fumbling, bumbling DT Mr. Leon Lett.
RexP
The last 10 yeas of Landry the one of the Pro Bowlers was H Walker.
One of the HOF players from the Jones era was Troy Aikman who was the number one choice in the entire draft.
In the post Jimmy Johnson years the Cowboys hit on Larry Allen, Flozal Adams , Jason Witten , Dexter Coakley. Brady James and Dat Nguyen Terrence Newman ( number 5 overall) The 2005 draft the 2010 draft and hopefully the 2011 draft. and got lucky with Tony Romo.
That would be all the drafting success in 18 years.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
I know the powers that be would never ask Romo his opinion,
but, if we asked him, if he’d like to play next year without broken ribs, a swollen hand or worse sidelined with a fractured clavicle, he’d tell you to draft DeCastro.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Don't agree with all the upgrading
I think we need to upgrade one DL (Coleman), a slot CB (assuming Scandrick moves to start), a G (assuming Kowloski at C and Arkin or Nagy at G). I think Spencer will be resigned.
I’d go Decastro, BPA afterwards and FA for DL and CB.
Elam needs to be upgraded but there doesn’t look to be much available and he knows the D.
Excellent post.
If I was on my computer I would Rec it.
by DCyanks21 on Jan 7, 2012 7:41 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Rec'd now.
I figure we’re closer to achieving offensive success before defense right now. Need to compete with Packers and Saints. Also need situation defensive play makers. Packers and Saints have the ability to create turnovers at times. Well Packers not really Saints…, but you get what I mean.
It all starts in FA. These draft discussions are premature
You list your needs.
Then you look at which you could fill in FA vs. the draft, weighing and balancing all the factors: Cost, Age, Talent, Other Teams’ Needs, etc.
You target some guys in FA and try to fill 2-3 holes, some major, some minor.
You see who you get.
THEN you look at the draft and start prioritizing. If a Guard is signed who’s still fairly young and you believe in him, maybe you pass on Castro after all. Maybe you get a DB or 2 in FA, so that you can go later in the draft at that position.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
Not entirely sure which way to go, but Raf said this today:
I’m watching the playoff games today and one thing is clear. Drew Brees is ripping the record book apart because he has a clean pocket much of the time. The Texans won a playoff game with a rookie, 3rd string QB because he got superb protection, and his o-line leads a superb running game. I don’t think Tony Romo ever got the 2011 protection that T.J. Yates got today.
I said earlier in the game thread that I was jealous of the protection Brees and Yates were getting. Their running games were so good. What could our offense be with a reliable O line?
The more I think about this, I'm convinced
Investing in beefing up the Oline is what I want. In my opinion, the Cowboys need to address both Guard positions with their first two picks:
RD1: David DeCastro (Stanford)
RD2: Brandon Washington
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
We invested in 2 OL prospects last year, we have to see if that investment paid off. Hopefully at least one of em will be a keeper.
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 8, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
So you are willing to risk?
Romo’s ribs, hand, arm, and A$$ just to see if one of them is ok…. even in the 1st OL Guards and Centers are less then 30% hit and miss project. 2nd round it drops to about 15% … after that it’s about 1 out of every 40… so maybe you aught to think about that. We took Nagy in the 4th… which means odds of successful pick were 1 of 40. DeCastro pick at 14 would cut those odds to 1 of 3… I think I would rather bet on the big horse then the small one.
RexP
Not disagreeing with taking DeCastro @ 14, but we only have one 1st round pick and many needs. Why not grab one of the OG in FA and pay well for his 100% proven quality services instead of using our 2nd on a 15% hit/miss OL prospect?
Perfect world we get DeCastro and a starting DE/CB/NT with our 2nd.
Doubt we’ll be able to fix both G’s and the Center this offseason without having one of those players already on this roster. Between Arkin, Nagy, Kosier, Kowalski, & Costa shouldnt we expect to already have the starting C on this roster???
by StarloverinWNC on Jan 9, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
What I was promoting was:
Taking Nicks in free agency and DeCastro in the 1st.
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
DeCastro in the 1st as BPA not for need. I am ok with that.
But we then we still got to do something about DeMarcus Ware against the league.
by Jonathan Stern on Jan 14, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
Actually we took Nagy in the 7th.
We took Arkin in the 4th, we drafted 3 OL last draft.
yea I noticed my mistake on that one.... either way 3-7 rounds about 1 of 40
same results different name
RexP
by Rex Pfister on Jan 14, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Great post and discussions!
I kinda think the NFL has totally morphed in the last few years with the rule changes that strongly favor offense now, especially in areas of coverage, hits, tackles, etc.. The smart or forward-thinking teams are taking advantage of this by loading up on offense (GB, NO, NE). I think the Cowboys should absolutely move to create a young O-line that can run with teams like the Saints and Packers in a shootout. Romo is a very good QB and he has multiple weapons at WR, TE, and RB. He has to be allowed better time to throw the ball as well as opening up running lanes for our backs. I, personally, would LOVE to see us draft DeCastro in the 1st and Keleche Osemele in the 2nd and switch TRON to LT and Free back to RT. This would absolutely fix multiple problems and give us a shot at a Super Bowl run 2-3 years down the road. The NFL is all about offense now. Our interior O-line needs drastic help asap.
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