2012 NFL Draft: Can Cowboys Resist The Allure Of Draft Day Trades?
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2012 8:02 AM CST
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PrintHeading into the 2012 draft, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys have engineered 60 trades involving draft picks in 23 drafts. Among these trades was the franchise-defining Hershel Walker trade in 1989, but also some less successful trades involving their picks like the acquisition of wide receiver Roy Williams. The Cowboys have been involved in draft day trades in 21 of their 23 drafts under Jerry Jones. The only years the Cowboys kept still on draft weekend was in 2000 and 2011. However, over the last four drafts the Cowboys have seen their number of trades involving draft picks strongly decrease (see detailed list at the bottom of this post).
But what's perhaps most remarkable is that 2012 could be the first time since 1990-1992 that the Cowboys will have three consecutive drafts in which they'll make at least one first round pick and at least one second round pick: Dez Bryant and Sean Lee in 2010, Tyron Smith and Bruce Carter in 2011 and perhaps two more in 2012.
Rick Gosselin from the Dallas Morning News recently opined that:
"When Jerry sticks to the draft board, he finds players. When he starts skipping around like he did when he took Quincy Carter and [Felix] Jones, that's when he gets into trouble."
While sticking to your board is not necessarily a guarantee for finding great players (see the 2000 draft for evidence), Gosselin does make a valid point in that too much movement could be counterproductive, and urges the Cowboys to trust Tom Ciskowski:
He puts up the draft board. In the last two years he has delivered potential blue chippers Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Tyron Smith and [Bruce Carter]. If he can hit two more blue chippers this year plus a few more starting caliber players (OL, safety) in the later rounds, the rebuilding process will be a year deeper toward making the Cowboys a contender.
So what do you think: Can Mr. Jerry Cantkeepstillski actually sit tight during the draft? And more importantly, should he?
Cowboys recent trade history involving draft picks
2008:
- Moved up three spots to 25th to get Mike Jenkins (25 = 28, 163, 235).
- Traded out of the third round for extra picks from Detroit (92 = 111, next 4th).
- Traded Akin Ayodele and Anthony Fasano to Miami for 2008 fourth round pick (100).
- Traded down with Oakland for more picks (100 = 104, 213).
- Traded down with Browns for extra picks (104 = 122, 155).
- Traded for Pacman Jones from Tennessee (126, conditional '09 sixth round pick = Pacman , '09 fifth round)
2009:
- Traded for 1st, 3rd and 6th for Roy Williams (20, 82, 192 = RW, 210)
- Traded down with Buffalo for more picks (51 = 75, 110).
- Traded down with Tampa Bay for more picks (117 = 120, 229)
- Moved up 13 spots to 143 in trade with Atlanta (143 = 156, 210)
2010:
- Moved up three spots in trade with Patriots to grab Dez Bryant (24, 119 = 27, 90)
- Moved up four spots in trade with Eagles to get Sean Lee (55 = 59, 125)
- Traded down with Miami for extra picks (119 = 126, 179)
- Traded fifth round pick (158 ) to Denver for Montrae Holland
2011:
- Traded Patrick Crayton to Sand Diego for 2011 seventh round pick (220)
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I think Gosselin meant Julius Jones
The trade up of 2008 was good, but the others were horrible. 2009 trading away 51 was horrible. Dez and Lee trades were good. The Holland trade was good.
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Gosselin did mean Felix Jones, not Julius Jones
But he spelled it “Fleix”. I corrected that but put it in brackets to indicate that I had changed it from the spelling from the original quote.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
He did mean Felix
What Goose meant, I think, was “skipping around” the draft board—i.e., not taking the guy at the top of the board. By extension, this means: not trusting the scouts.
Mendenhall allegedly was higher on their board, but not by much.
From a purported 2008 interview with Drew Fabianich, National College Scout for the Cowboys:
4. Why Jones over Mendenhall?
Drew: We had Mendenhall rated 2 percentage points higher than Jones. But we already have a Mendenhall [in Marion Barber], no need for another. Besides, Jones is a really, really good kick returner. He is going to be good.
5. Why another TE?
Drew: We traded Fasano. Besides, Fasano wasn’t getting it done. We drafted him to put teams in the nickle. No team went into the nickle with him on the field last year. Teams will go into the nickle with Bennett. They will have to. He is also a pretty good blocker, not great, but pretty good.
The Cowboys were further concerned about Mendenhall because they felt he had slipped too far. Jerry Jones at the time:
“How did he get to 22, if everybody had him ranked in the top 12?” Jones said. “Several teams passed on him.”
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Another Jerry blunder
I remember that draft and really wanted Mendenhall and thought he would be perect for this team…speed, power and quickness. Kind of like that guy Murray right? Jerry whiffed on that one.
I cant remember where I heard this
But apparently Pittsburgh had Felix ranked higher than Mendenhall.
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Titans also had Felix ranked higher than Chris Johnson.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
So we them a favor? $#*!
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so do you think that stats flawed or Felix is better then CJ2k or Mendenhall?
not to consider missing on Ray Rice, Forte or Charles in the 2nd rounds. that was a deep RB class to take a flyer on a change of pace RB like Felix.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
we were going no where
with our offensive line
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Felix, Mendenhall, Johnson, it wouldn’t matter
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
that's why I don't like taking RBs in the first round
you can hit on some good ones later in the draft. Esp, with so much spread offense in college.
Mendenhall is THE most overrated RB in the league.
I do not understand why fans still want him… I was upset they went Felix over him but I was very wrong.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
I STILL believe in Tony Romo.- 10/2/11
And he fumbled the ball away
You do realize he would crucified daily if he was a Cowboy right? Mike Tomlin actually BENCHED HIM early on because of his bad attitude. He also thinks the gov caused 9/11 and expressed this over twitter ON SEPTEMBER 11th!
If he was a Cowboy, mensa and all the other Jerry trolls would be saying how he only brings dumb players on the team and that whole line of thinking…
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
I STILL believe in Tony Romo.- 10/2/11
Mendenhall didn't play early-on
because he was injured, not because of a bad attitude.
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i do remember something with his attitude & Tomlin being public
i cant rem if he got benched but there was some changes Mendenhall had to overcome
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
People seemed to have forgotten Mendenhall had some motivation problems in Pttsburgh until they straightened him out...
…the Cowboys didn’t have nearly the “stringent” culture Pitt had at the time…he wasn’t a RKG as Garrett would put it…Felix hasn’t been a bust and he actually fits this team better…
yup
Mendy was a cocky guy who walked into Pittsburgh expecting to start day 1. Well, he failed to beat out Willie Parker and Mewelde Moore. It was also a knock against him that he was a fumbler.
He got injured early in the 2008 season, watched them win the SB in street clothes, which humbled him, and he became the starter in 2009.
The Steeler culture beat his attitude, and his not wanting to play with dings out of him. Apparently, he might still be a fumbler.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he also
sent Ray Rice a bragging text before they played the ravens that year of how he was going to get 100 yards that game.
His longest carry was when he was carted off the field.
"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile."- Roger Staubach
Pet Cat of 2011- Barry Church!
I STILL believe in Tony Romo.- 10/2/11
i bet he wont talk smack to Rice anymore lol.
the Ravens defense loves then some Rice & i bet Mendenhall was running scared once he took the field. that defense will defend Rice like he’s on there side of the ball.
i think Rice even sits with the defense at times during games
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
They've both had injury problems just seems like Felix has had more
I thought we completely missed the buss on Mendenhall at first but looking at it now it’s not like either on is leaps and bounds any better than the other as far as overall production. All in all I think we sit tight at #14 please
by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 1, 2012 11:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
Teams will go into the nickel with Bennett
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
that comment was ridiculous
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 12:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's a misquote
it’s supposed to read:
Teams woudn’t give a plugged nickel for Bennett.
Don't believe everything you think.
But Jerry wasn't concerned that Dez fell in the draft?
Well I guess Dez was his mea culpa for Greg Ellis over Randy Moss.
Btw, I’m Dez fan. Just pointing out the inconsistency.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Different types of falling.
Dez fell because the Broncos wanted Thomas instead and Dez didn’t play football for a year. Mendenhall fell because draftnicks didn’t properly evaluate him.
Correction
Mendenhall fell because everyone properly evaluated him.
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by CotySaxman on Feb 1, 2012 2:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Felix over Mendenhall? Really?
That’s the one that still gets me even more than the Carpenter pick at least Bobby was the second best player at his position as a Buckeye. Felix was arguably the third, Hillis was there too. I’ll take a healthy Hillis over Felix and his shoelace tackle able running style
by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You do realize Hillis is in the same group as Roy Williams, right?
Most productive player on a bad team. Felix is better than most other backs in his class in yards per carry, broken tackles, catch rate, blitz pickup, kick returns, and ball security. He’s the least selfish of them as well. Why complain?
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by CotySaxman on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Felix can break tackles he just has no vision.
He probably trys to run straight through the brick wall rather than take the door to get in his house.
+1
i dont know how the vision things works but Felix will leave you scratching your head at times running into brick walls when he could bouce outside.
Murray is lead dog now & if he stays healthy then people will forget Felix real soon.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
they’re talking about drafting Felix when apparently they had Mendenhall higher rated
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 1, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
i came with the impression the main argument had something do to with trading down
that’s why i thought white wolf was right, i guess i was wrong
They WERE talking about trades.
And I still think he meant Julius.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
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I think he meant Julius as well
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When we traded down that year
We left Stephen Jackson on the board and ended up with Julius. Just terrible.
by AikmanGeneration on Feb 1, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
That makes it better
Spears has been special
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
no, we pick up the first round draft pick.
what we did with that draft pick shouldn’t affect the value of that trade.
actually it does
when you do nothing with that pick. if you
pass up on blue chip talent, you better do something worthwhile.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 2, 2012 3:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But that says a lot about the pick it's self.
If you blew the pick you can’t blame the trade that created the pick. You blame the person that made the pick. If the first round pick was good value it was a good trade. You can’t cancel a trade because you think “oh, wait, we’re going to make a bad pick next year”.
I wanted Steven Jackson.
My heart was broken when we passed him up. I’ve never forgiven Parcells for that boneheaded move.
He compounded that by using the extra #1 on Spears. Then crapping the bed with Carpenter in 2006; Nepotism at it’s finest with the Barbie pick.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 2, 2012 3:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Parcells never put a whole lot of stock in having a great RB
He believe that all he needed from a running back was the willingness to stick his head in the hole, where he wanted them to run.
I don’t necessarily agree with that, but you take the good with the bad. Parcells was definitely more good than bad, since he brought this team from 5-11 to the playoffs.
You can argue that Steven Jackson was worth more than the picks he was traded for
which would be a valid argument. But if they had given us 3 #1’s and they were all Barbie Carpenter clones, then it wasn’t a bad trade, your just really bad at drafting and would suck anyway
everyone had Carpenter rated in the 1st round iirc.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Gonna have to talk to Goose . . .
He had McGee as a 3rd round instead of 4th round choice the other day.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
Felix was as good as McFadden...
I mean they both get injured the same amount of times.
DMAC is alot better than Felix
He was one of the best RBs in the league the last two seasons before he got injured people forget. If he wasn’t so injury prone he would be a top 3 RB every year.
I thinnk I rather have CJ2K
or Ray Rice. Sorry I like Felix but I would make the swap in a heart beat!!!
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I wouldn't...knowing that I now have Murray...Felix is the perfect compliment. Doesn't complain and is a team player.
Best part about Felix is that he doesn’t need to have many touches to get in sync…he can come in cold and make an immediate impact.
now you sound like Jerry when he drafted Felix
theres no perfect compliment in the NFL. either guys can play or they cant & as of right now Felix is trending down
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
I would rather Forte. He moves piles. AH screw it Felix was a blown pick.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 1, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Let's keep in mind
FJ isn’t a feature back. He’s an change of pace, receiving tailback with ST potential. FJ looks less than sterling because he is used incorrectly. If we put Fiammetta at tailback, he’d probably look pretty good for 1/2 a season, then he’d start getting injured, teams would start game planning for him and his yards/carry would decrease, etc.
FJ could be a good back if the Boys had used MBIII and TC as feature backs, used FJ as a change of pace back (like Sproles or Reggie Bush) and kept him returning kickoffs. His durability would’ve been higher, his output probably wouldn’ve been better and the team probably would’ve been more successful.
But, the team say a young RB w/ break away speed that was averaging well over 6 yds/carry and ignored the fact that his production was a result of his efficient use. As such, he may be ruined now.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 1, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Felix was simply to fragile to return kicks
that was the one thing Dallas thought they could count on with Felix & he busted at being a returner
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
+1
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Was Tom Ciskowski involved in the 2000 draft?
That might explain why that draft failed.
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He wasn't the director of scouting who assembles the big board
I think Lacewell was still the head scout back then
In Romo we Trust
Barry thought highly of Lacewell's wife, he got caught nailing her.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Only to burn a second rounder on Martellus. SMH.
Traded Akin Ayodele and Anthony Fasano to Miami for 2008 fourth round pick (100).
Fasano has been the better te.
Sand Diego < love this.
08 and 09 are just a microcosm of the Jerry gm reign post Jimmy.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 1, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Martellus showed glimses of being special his rookie year.
Imo when he really wants to play he has the ability. Whether it is maturity , work ethic or attitude that prevents him from getting to that next level, I don’t know . I can’t see the Cowboys breaking the bank to keep him.
Fasano
has been nothing in Miami as well. They may not resign him. This whole deal was a push
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
This is true
People see a few highlights here and there, but is he a difference maker? The only thing that sucks is we basically traded down from the mid-second round to the fourth to swap Fasano for Bennett.
It was basically taking a chance on Bennett being a special player. Didn’t work out, but it’s not the blunder it’s made out to be.
Fasano has better hands than Bennett. It was a horrible .
Why trade Fasano only to burn second rounder ? You can’t burn picks like that.
Fasano with Romo would have been more potent than (pick one) Fins qb and Fasano.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 1, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
But is he a difference maker?
I think he would have put up nicer stats than Bennett, but in the end, it probably wouldn’t have mattered.
They went for a risk and it’s not such a bad one in my mind. If every time the FO wanted to take a risk they still came out with a solid player (if not worth a second rounder), we’d be in better shape than now.
Of all the mistakes that were made the last few years, Bennett, to me is very low. I’m much more upset about Bobby Carpenter and Jason Williams. Neither of which even could stay on the roster.
Bennet is the best blocker on the team
He wasn’t worth a 2nd round pick but he has had value.
Imagine the O line these past 2 years WITHOUT Bennett…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 1, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
like the Felix pick, the problem I have with the Bennett pick wasn't
Bennett as a #2 TE it’s taking an at best, 2nd string TE in the 2nd round. It’s that Jerry philosophy of drafting backups. Uggg. Hope those days are behind us.
No team, no matter how good, is good enough to just draft backup players.
Parcells crapped the bed
With 2004 & 2006
Jerry made up for it with Marty B in 2008 and the entire use of the 2009 draft picks.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 12:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bad choice of words
Jerry didn’t want to be out done, so he took Marty B in 2008, and then came back with the 2009 draft and threw it away-is what I should’ve said.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone else love the fact...
that we traded with the LB deprived Eagles to get our best playmaker since Ware?
+50 Yep
fantastic
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
The Weather is here, I wish you were beautiful"
Indecision, may or may not be my problem
"You gave us Sean Lee"
is what I’ll be telling every Eagles fan who wants to brag about how the Eagles are ooooh sooo clever in generating extra picks by trading down.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
A friend of mine is a Steelers fan...
they were so mad that we got him!
the funny thing is O.C.C.
“They gave usSean LeeDez Bryant”
is what I’ll be telling everyEaglesPatroits fan who wants to brag about how the Eagles are ooooh sooo clever in generating extra picks by trading down.
could you imagine Bryant+Welker+Brady? Then factor in those TE"S?
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 1, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
hit post to soon....
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
if Dez was a Patriot
I would still be a fan of the Dez and he probably would be killing it up there
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Dez would be nearly as effective in New England
Up there you have to be in the right place to get the ball. Just as Chad Johnson
yeah...that would be crazy
the Pats would be in the SB if they had Dez…….
it doesn’t have the same effect as it does with the eagles since the Pats are actually in the SB. hah….but that would be a crazy combo no doubt.
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
yeah that would be sick
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Bill Simmons
was begging for Dez in Football writings as we got to the draft defending his perceived character flaws.
Then after Dallas traded with New England to get him, he does a complete 180 and is like “hahahahaha Dallas is going to regret the pick.”
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 1, 2012 12:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he's kinda a douche
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
he is a douche
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 2, 2012 3:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
As has been said many times before the draft is a crapshoot.
Trading up and trading down can both be successful depending upon the situation. Selling the store for one pick or trading multiple picks for one player is rarely a good move, especially if they are premium picks. ie Williams and Galloway. Risks have to be taken to succeed, but temper the risk with realistic expectations.
Maybe not...
I’m starting to think that teams that draft well just have good coaches and that upwards of 50% of “the draft” is player development down the road.
by Kevin Templar on Feb 1, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
This is spot on
but renders about 90% of draft talk irrelevant, so it gets brushed under the carpet.
Wanna know why good teams draft well? Because they have excellent coaches that develop young players.
The drfat to an extent is a gamble, but excellent coaches can do wonders if a player has any talent.
My philosophy is don’t trade down in the first when you’re in a position of weakness, ie, many needs. Get top rated players first. Trade up if a good player falls after the first.
Trade down scenarios should only come into play when you are in a position of strength, then you can stockpile draft picks and hopefully resupply the team with good young players and keep competetive.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Well, it's a snowball effect
if you have a solid team, you can afford to ONLY look at BPA. When you have a few poor drafts, you’re always shooting behind the target, trying to fill holes that prevent you from being fully competitive.
It’s going to take a couple of years of good drafts for Dallas to be able to get into a groove on draft day.
Don't believe everything you think.
It's hard for franchises to be patient
Any team in this league can make a jump to contending because of the salary cap. They just need to be patient and build steadily, not take chances trying to hit on the next big thing that will jumpstart them.
But the point remains, if you didn’t hire smart people to scout and develop, it’s an uphill battle.
Could not agree more
I think Dallas IS improving though, all the naysayers aside, and based on Stephen Jones’ comments, I think what you describe is their intent.
Don't believe everything you think.
Amen brother
That and it seems that some teams find it easier to cut ties with their draft mistakes sooner than others. Good coaches will indentify those drafting errors sooner and allow the team to move on from a wasted roster spot.
Jerry has said that they can move up in the draft to get any player, also they have enough money to hit the bank in FA, and Rob Ryan says we're they're only focused on DB's
I could see them signing Carl Nicks to fill the void at G, Spencer to a short-term deal, an FA to play DE, and move up in the draft to get Claiborne. lol
I hope not...
If anything, I hope they trade back and pick up Dontari Poe. There are some quality DB’s in the second and there on. Trading back would also give us extra picks.
DB’s are deeper in this draft than there are NTs (as usual). Dontari has the most upside of the NTs only followed by Ta’amu by some distance. Paul Soliai could be had in FA if we should stay put at 14 and let him and Josh Brent man the NT.
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yeah trade back
i like it, but just a few spots
by ratware on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
linking to bleacher report
is usually the first sign that whatever opinion is being presented is not based on fact.
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whoops
posted that because I only read your link title. It’s well written but still…ratliff isn’t the problem, mediocre DE play is. Move Rat and you just make another problem
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I disagree...
Ratliff is starting to become a problem. If we go another season with him starting at NT we’ll see the more of and even worse of a pass rush than we did this season. Not only that, we’ll lose more ground on the run in addition. He is not big enough to man that position (never has been) and it’ll really show more as time goes on. He won’t get the sacks he’s been able to get because I’m sure teams are easily starting to double him more. A NT is supposed to collapse the pocket with the double on him (a good one, like Dontari Poe possibly or Vince Wilfork/Haloti Ngata for sure).
Another link about the needed NT and Jay Ratliff from Dallas’ own website.
If we move Rat to DE we upgrade another position and finally take notice to the problem we’ve put on the back burner for all this time. We need a prototype NT…
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"teams are easily starting to double him more"
Um, thought that was the point of a huge NT.
Code I said that at the beginning of the season when I first became a memeber of btb.
It was met with a resounding (you’re an idiot). Rat had 2 sacks. Now people are beginning to get aboard the move Rat train. As per usual Jerry is always 2-3 years too late. Shoot he might not even address it this year.
Rat doesn’t demand a double the whole duration of a play. That’s why ilb blitzes never work in Dallas. Yet there will be some here who would rather be castrated than move Rat to de and get a real nt.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 1, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
lol jace
mensa actually has a good point, so u don’t agree that dallas needs a big nt?
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Nope, don't disagree at all.
We’ll leave it at that.
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A Ring Away
This category reflects quarterbacks who have the shown the ability play at an elite level or are winning at an elite level and need a Super Bowl win to validate the perception of them. They don’t have job-security questions and have proven vital within their offenses. Most display a solid career trajectory and have proven themselves as winners, if not title winners.
Tony Romo (Cowboys): Wildly underrated, mostly based on overblown “clutch” questions, Romo just finished a season with 31 TD passes against 10 INTs. He was behind only Rodgers, Brees and Brady from a statistical standpoint, while playing dinged up. Want to know where Romo stands, just ask fellow quarterbacks.
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Moving Around
Trading up in 2010 for Bryant and especially for Sean Lee were both smart moves. So was moving up to pick Mike Jenkins. Also, the trade to Holland was a good move.
I think it is more accurate to say Jerry gets in trouble when he moves too far too fast or when he thinks the Cowboys are only one player away – and that player is dangling in front of him like Roy Williams.
If only that trade had been for Johnson.
At least is would have been more palatable.
I think the Editor blundered
“skipping around selecting [JULIUS] Jones”
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I see what OCC said above; still, Julius Jones makes more sense to me. Heck lets throw in Roy Williams and Joey Galloway in to blunder pile. I just don’t agree that Felix was a mistake. Our Oline would make any back stuggle
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Hope we don't have to add Dez to the pile.
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haha I think Dez is fine. Actually drafting a player matters a lot to me
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
It was a mistake to draft a non-starting RB in the first round.
Felix was never drafted to be the starting RB, Barber had a fairly new deal, and the team had faith that Barber would be a productive starter. Felix was drafted to be a change of pace back. You just don’t draft those type of backs in the first round.
If you look at all the teams that draft well
They rarely make trades in the first and second rounds and just take the BPA when their pick is up.
Hopefully Garrett convinces Jerry this is the way to go
In Romo we Trust
what about the 2007 trades?
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 AM CST reply actions
I was just curious to why they weren't included
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
2007 Jerry was all over the place wheeling and dealing
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
because I had to stop somewhere, and 2008 fit because that’s when Ciskowski was promoted to Director of College
and Pro Scouting.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
ohhhhh okay
got ya, that makes sense
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
that 2009 draft was a joke..
JJ traded out of the second for what???
U trade down to the 3 rd for less talent..Dallas should have targeted a few guys in the 2 nd round and push a trade for them..
by lostar2009 on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm I dunno I think Jerry and crew are gonna trade back and pick up J. Jenkins right before the Bengals pick
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
Scott Zolak, ex QB for NE and talking head for the Pats,
said Dallas was the best team NE played this year as far speed and size. He said Dallas is an under achieving team and blamed Jerry for it. He said in NE there’s no doubt who runs the football operations, B.B. In Dallas it’s kinda helter skelter, partly Jerry, partly JG. Really can’t disagree.
The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load
Just let Jason and Rob run the team and then the Cowboy's future looks pretty good
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you got a link for that?
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
ohhhh got ya
thats interesting stuff though
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
smartest thing to do is draft nick foles and begin to groom him as the franchise quarterback. Sucks we aren’t going to be in the position to draft. RGIII.
Tony Romo with 13 Pro Bowlers = one and out in the playoffs
We will not make the playoffs next year with Romo.
word is the Cowboys like Nick Foles
can’t blame them, solid prospect
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
What do you think of Brock Osweiler?
He’s probably not on the Cowboys radar but I think he can solid
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Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
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Ask yourself this: Would you still like him if he was 6-0?
Because if not, and I’m not suggesting you are, but if not, then you like something about him that has nothing to do with his ability as a passer. And that’s not a good thing if you want to draft a passer.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 1, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
good point about the size issue
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
I read a few positive scouting reports on him, Pretty good mobility for a tall QB. Like I said he is probably not on the Cowboys radar so chances he wont get drafted by us. just wanted to see what people thought that’s all.
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idk too much about him honestly
I like Nick Foles because I have been following his college career
I never heard of Osweiler until this year, so I have never really watched him,
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 1, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
If you follow college football, and a guy you’ve never heard of suddenly becomes a hot ticket, that’s a pretty big red flag.
Here’s something I wrote before the draft last year, specifically about late-rising quarterbacks:
I’ll freely admit that I’m not very knowledgeable about college football, but how come I didn’t see a single game last year featuring a QB who some believe will be the number one pick this year? I saw Andrew Luck games, I saw Cam Newton games, I saw Ryan Mallett games, I saw Andy Dalton once and I think I saw one Christian Ponder game, though I’m not sure anymore. But I didn’t see a single Missouri game. In fact, I don’t think I’d ever heard Gabbert’s name until he declared at the beginning of January and started creeping up mock draft boards.
I understand that Gabbert was a junior who hadn’t declared yet, but so were Andrew Luck and Janoris Jenkins, neither of whom had declared either, and both already were regulars in the top ten of early mock drafts from which Gabbert was conspicuously absent. Three months later – and not a single Missouri game played since then – Gabbert is a consensus top five pick. How weird is that?
Football Outsiders calculated that Gabbert’s 2011 season was “the fifth worst season we’ve ever measured” in aggregate value.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 2, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
OCC
I too follow CFB, I knew who Gabbert was, but he looked like a day two day 3 pick. When the Jags took him, it screamed of desperation.
As far as Brock Osweiler is concerned, living in Southern Ca, I know who he is. But I don’t think he’s anything special either. He’s just a tall kid with an ok arm. His best throws are flat passes to the RB and inside the number seam throws to a WR. Outside the numbers he aims the ball, and he just looks skittish in the pocket. Youtube his bowl game against Boise State, it’s flat out depressing. His accuracy isn’t that good either. If you make him scan the field he’s done.
Nick Foles on the other hand is like Jay Cutler (talent wise), good size, good arm, but needs to work on setting his feet. He was a very talented player on a team void of talent at Arizona. If he sits a year or two he can develop into a franchise QB.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 2, 2012 3:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ironman's Drafting for Dummies:
Rule # 1-Stick to your Board- this is the most critical rule. You have scouts and a scouting Dept, that you pay a bunch of money to. Why would you go against their advice? So Don’t!
Rule #2- in any Trade Scenario- it is all about the picks, not the points. If you are getting good picks(high round), you can get “undervalue”,with the understanding that it isn’t too bad.
Rule #3- Never trade up nor down more than 3-4 spots from where you are at.
In trading up you are trading multiple possible player for one, thus you want to minimize what you are spending. In trading down, you don’t want to go to far as to miss out on on a “cluster” of Similarly ranked Players.
Follow these simple Rules to greatly increase your chances of having Successful drafts.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 1, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions
Very Well Stated
I sometimes think this is what get Jerry in trouble.
He thinks he is smarter than everyone else.
REALLY Like Rule#3
It's a skit from Monty Python
the skit may or may not strike you as funny, but it’s not actually ignorant.
Don't believe everything you think.
Should the Cowboys trust the Board?
What’s the board say? That’s your answer. If the board has both O and D linemen and CB’s high then trust your board. Get a backup QB and a punter. On offense, road graters and pass protecters. QB killas on the D-line. That’s where you spend money.
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you know what annoys me
trade down talk
every single year I read for months about trading down, trade down stock up picks
it really drives me bonkers
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having two seconds
would have been nice last year… I love Tyron but Solder wouldn’t have been that bad (still an upgrade over columbo) and the possibility to snag Winewski and Carter would have more than made up for it.
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But maybe we're back to that whole
trade back and not finding your guy when you get there. Plus, they think Tyron is once in ten years special, someone to build the line around. It was probably a good choice although you’re right, it would be nice to have better prospects on the line’s interior.
Don't believe everything you think.
I agree Chia
“Trade down for Poe” yadda hardware yadda. How do you know Poe won’t be picked up by the Eagles or Chargers? Then what? Reach for a player after already trading back? Just because a certain player is going in the mid 20’s in every mock draft doesn’t mean he may not go top 10. If the player you want is there when you’re on the clock, take him. Who cares if Schecter rips you afterwards about addressing needs but not getting great value. Extra picks can be great if they work out, and your targeted guy is still there. But it can just as easily turn into the 2009 draft all over again.
by matt575 on Feb 1, 2012 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only way I would consider trading back
is if it was a completely lop-sidded deal and we were sure we could still get a guy that we really want.
Trusting Jerry to trade down is like trusting the Titanic to float.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
when you have a chance at a special player you take him
only madden morons would pass up on a player described as a once in 10 year guy.
And smith is showing signs that he will be even better then that.
till this day
i still can’t fathom passing up on Steven Jackson.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 2, 2012 3:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I play Madden
I’d get the best player despite trading down. So I disagree. It’s so easy to rip off the computer. Also, the best fool proof way to scout the best rookies is sim through an entire season all the way up to pre-season the following years. Then go to each team, see their rookies, look at their relevant ratings, and look at what rds they were drafted in. Never save anything during the sim process. Then get out of franchise mode, and then get back in (where you’re back at the first preseason game of yr 1) and start acquiring the draft picks necessary to pick those players.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 2, 2012 3:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Smith was rated much much hired than any other Olinemen that year.
Solder et al, we’ren’t in the same ball park. I’d be like trading down to take Tannehill instead of Luck, or RGIII
Looking at That List Makes Me Want To Cry...
It just remind me there’s a moron behind the wheel.
I will awaken my expectations for the Cowboys when Jerry Jones is in the ground.
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