Draft Talk: Mark Barron
Darren Woodson was one of my favorite players growing up and he is one of my favorite players of all time. Woodson was what we now call, the RKG and played the game the right way. He had a great approach towards the game and was one of the hardest workers on and off the field. Darren Woodson changed the game and he was a key contributor to the 90's Cowboys success.
The Cowboys drafted Woodson in the 2nd round of the 1992 NFL Draft with the 37th pick. Woodson was an amazing player for Arizona State, who even walked onto the football team. Woodson started out as an outside linebacker in college and became a team captain. He was recognized as an All-Pac 10 selection three times and received an honorable All American selection as a junior.
It's funny that Dave Campo was the man responsible for moving Woodson over to safety. We all consider Campo to be washed up and he is, but at one point the man was a great coach. Because of Campo's insight, the Cowboys drafted Woodson and moved him to safety.
Woodson was primarily used on special teams his rookie year, but he entered the starting lineup as a strong safety in his second season and he was a force there for many years. By the end of his career, Woodson was a five time Pro Bowler and a three time All Pro.
What Woodson will always be remembered for is his character. We all know Woodson was a great safety and probably a hall of fame candidate, but he brought accountability and character to the franchise. Look at what Woodson said when he retired.
"When I put that helmet on, I laid it on the line. Not just for this team, but for everyone here. I laid it on the line every time I put that helmet on. I wanted to win so bad, that nothing else really mattered. The most important thing was giving everything I had each time I stepped out on the field. And I think I did that."
The hunger and passion Woodson had for the game possibly made him so much better than other safeties around the league. He had tremendous athletic ability, but his approach towards the way he prepared for the game truly raised his play in my opinion. One of the reasons I believe Ed Reed is so good is because of his approach towards the game.
Gerry Fraley from the Dallas Morning News really summed it up best.
"Woodson had the run-stopping skills of a strong safety and the pass-coverage ability of a free safety. His ability to cover slot receivers made a significant difference for the defense."
Darren Woodson actually changed the safety position. Safeties were began to be looked at as more than just guys who played the deep half of the field. It's hard to find tremendous athletes of Woodson's quality, and this hurt the way the Cowboys graded the position after Woodson retired in 2004.
The Cowboys are still looking to replace Darren Woodson and it's been almost a decade since he left. The Cowboys really need to change the way they draft and grade the safety position. They are still looking for the next Darren Woodson to come out of the draft, but you are not going to find many 6'2 and 220 pound safeties with the ability to tackle and ballhawk.
Darren Woodson 2.0 isn't going to happen, and the Cowboys need to start changing the way they look at the safety position.
There has been so much disappointment and failure at the safety position since Woodson left. Roy Williams started his career off with such promise, only to deteriorate because of his physical style. Keith Davis was a glorified special teams player who never amounted to anything special. Pat Watkins was another bust in the draft. Ken Hamlin had a great 2007 season, then turned that into a lucrative contract and flamed out afterwards.
When the Cowboys signed former Jacksonville Jaguar, Gerald Sensabaugh in 2009, they thought they found the next Darren Woodson. I can see what they were thinking. At 6'1 and 208 pounds, Sensabaugh has a similar build compared to Woodson. Sensabaugh is not the athlete Woodson was, and that is the problem. Sensabaugh can actually cover pretty well, but he doesn't possess the football intelligence Woodson did and he gets caught out of position too much because of it.
I always thought Sensabaugh was a pretty good thumper at safety and could lay the wood. But he really doesn't hit with authority and is scared to mix it up due to penalties. Sensabaugh can be hurdled on and I have seen him whiff too many times coming down from the box.
Sensabaugh is nowhere near the ballhawk Woodson was either. In my opinion, Sensabaugh is playing out of position. The Cowboys played him at strong safety in 2009 and 2010 and Sensabaugh had more success playing there in my opinion. This year they moved him over to free safety and put Abe Elam in at strong safety. The problem is that both are strong safeties with limited ball skills. The Cowboys feel that Sensabaugh can play both the free and strong position, personally I feel that Sensabaugh is strictly a strong safety because his skill set is more suited for that position.
The Cowboys extended Sensabaugh in early December, rewarding him with a five year, 22.5 million dollar deal with 8 million dollars guaranteed. I felt that the contract extension was premature and a mistake. Once Sensabaugh received that deal, his play tailed off significantly. Some place blame on a nagging foot injury, others place blame on the lack of skill Sensabaugh possesses.
Jerry Jones has been burned by the safety position the last decade and I believe because of that, he is hesitant to hand out a big time deal at the position. The war room also hasn't drafted safeties high in the draft and Akwasi Owusu Ansah was the last highly invested (4th round 2010) draft pick on the position. I will say that they have not benefited from the weak safety classes the past couple of years, but they still need to start placing a higher emphasis on the position.
At some point, Jerry and the Cowboys will have to take a stab at the safety position. That could be a big time free agent or a high draft pick. Whatever the decision is, they will need to make one soon if they ever want this defense to be elite. We had average safety play last year that didn't cost us games, but we didn't win any games because of our safeties either. If they could ever upgrade the position and add a safety with ball skills, this defense would be much better off.
Well this may be the year the Cowboys finally land a quality safety in the draft.
Mark Barron
Mark Barron was a player that I thought would go in the mid to late first round before his injury. Barron suffered a double sports hernia and I believe that would require surgery to repair the hernia. A double sports hernia would mean he aggravated both the left and right side of the hernia. Reports are saying he will be out until July or August.
If you remember offensive lineman Ben Ijalana from last years draft, he had the same injury and surgery was performed in late December of 2010. Ijalana recovered just fine from the injury, but tore his ACL early into the season.
A sports hernia isn't that serious if the right decisions are made. You get the surgery and you spend the time rehabilitating the hernia. A sports hernia can be serious if you don't spot it early enough and don't get it taken care of. Fortunately for Mark Barron, it was spotted during the Senior Bowl and he can get the necessary surgery to repair the injured hernia.
I am no doctor, so if anyone can spot anything wrong on what I said, please explain in the comment section
So what does this mean for the Cowboys? It means that once again, they may land a first round talent in the second round. The Cowboys are no strangers to taking chances on injured players in the draft. They moved up in the second round back in 2010 to select Penn State linebacker, Sean Lee. Lee was coming off a torn ACL and the Cowboys had Lee rated as a high first round pick. The risk paid of greatly because Lee turned into one of the best inside linebackers in the league in just his second season. If there was a redraft today, Lee would go higher than 54th overall.
In the second round last year, the Cowboys snatched up another highly touted linebacker prospect in the second round. North Carolina's Bruce Carter would have been a top 20 selection in the first round, but tore his ACL. He fell to the Cowboys with the 40th pick and the war room was thrilled to get another first round talent in the second round.
The Cowboys will take chances on injured players in the second round. In my opinion, Mark Barron will fall out of the first round and he could possibly be available when we go on the clock with the 45th pick in round two.
I understand Barron will be out to at least July or August, but he is the best safety in another weak safety class. Taking a risk on Barron in the second round would be a risk I would be willing to take. We desperately need help at the safety position and even though Barron is more of the prototypical strong safety, he would still be a major upgrade over what we have now.
Barron has the size the Cowboys like, 6'2 and 218 pounds. Barron has the flexibility the Cowboys like because he can be interchangeable and play both the free and strong safety positions. When I look at Barron, I believe he could be a valuable piece for Rob Ryan due to his athletic skills and versatility. Ryan likes to move his safeties around a lot and likes for them to be interchangeable. Barron has the violent streak and size to play strong safety, but he also has the ballhawking skills to play free safety.
Barron is definitely a violent hitter in the LaRon Landry type mold. He will come down from the box and hit his man so hard they will be seeing snot bubbles for the rest of the game. The violent streak will remind Cowboys fans of Roy Williams, but don't compare Barron to Roy Williams. Barron is a much better athlete than Williams and he can generate turnovers.
He will be a force in the run game and rack up plenty of tackles. His physicality is one of his best traits and he is a sure tackler.
Barron is better off in zone coverage where he can read and diagnose the play. He has a real good feel for the game and that comes from his hard work in the film room. That is what I love about this kid, he is a film room junkie and good safeties are always watching their opponent. Barron has a real high football IQ and has a true passion for the game.
As far as character is concerned, Barron looks like the total RKG and he could be a leader in this secondary for years. What I also love about Barron is that he is a leader. He made all of the secondary calls and he was a leader on a good defense. With Sensabaugh publicly announcing his distaste for making the secondary calls, having Mark Barron would eliminate the need for Sensabaugh to do that.
In my opinion, man coverage is his most negative aspect of his game. He doesn't have the fluid hips to cover like a cornerback can and will get beat in man to man coverage. Many draft guru's question Barron's speed, I think his speed is fine actually. I would imagine he is a 4.5 type of guy and that is plenty of enough speed. His problem is his hips and he is a little stiff. That causes problems for him in man coverage because of double moves and quick cuts.
Even though he has lapses in man coverage, for the most part he is well rounded prospect as a safety. He has great anticipation and can jump routes for the interception. He can go up and get the football in jump situations. His hands are really good and he will secure a lot of interceptions instead of just knocking the ball down. His aggression will lead to some big plays and he must learn to tone that down in the NFL. But overall, Mark Barron looks like a really good safety prospect that will have a long NFL career.
With NFL coaching and time, he could develop his skills even better.
Let's take a look at his college production (courtesy of ESPN.com)
- 2011- 63 tackles, 1 sack, 2 INT
- 2010- 77 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 3 INT
- 2009- 74 tackles, 7 INT
When Barron was inserted into the starting lineup in 2009, he had a fantastic sophomore season. Barron was recognized as first team All-SEC and a third team All-American. He was second on the team with 74 tackles and his 7 interceptions showed his ballhawking ability. Back in 2009, many thought Barron was the next big prospect at safety.
In 2010, Barron had somewhat of a down season and his critics began to question him. He was beaten badly on some deep passes and people started to wonder if Barron was just a one year wonder. Barron still made first team All-SEC and was a finalist for the Thorpe Award. Barron also was a first team All-American as a junior.
Barron worked on his game and it showed in 2011. He wasn't getting beat deep badly anymore and he totally improved his game in that area. Going back to school for his senior season was actually a smart move by Mark Barron and he fine tuned some areas of his game. Barron was a first team All-American, All-SEC and a Thorpe finalist again. Barron led Alabama to another national championship and he was one of the leaders on the defense.
So Barron has the college production and awards to back up his draft stock. 12 interceptions in three years is pretty good and his tackle numbers are always very high. Barron is a productive safety that is all over the field racking up tackles and can also make a play on the football. Solid tackling safeties that can ballhawk will always be a premium in the NFL Draft.
This is a three year starter for a really good Alabama defense. He has big game experience and played in the best conference in college football. The athletic ability is there for Barron to become a really good player in the NFL. He doesn't have great speed, but he can run well enough to be a playmaker in the secondary.
I like to compare prospects to a current NFL player, it just gives us a better feel for who the prospect is similar to in the NFL.
- Kenny Phillips- Same size, 6'2 217. Both are considered strong safeties, but are interchangeable and can play both the free and strong position. Phillips is a really good player when healthy and I would love to add a Kenny Phillips type of player to our secondary.
- LaRon Landry- Similar size, Lanrdy is 6'0 220. Landry is a violent and physical player similar to Barron. Barron might have the better ball skills, but he is similar to Landry.
In the second round, Barron would be a steal. I understand he will miss a lot of time and will not be ready until training camp. But why pass on a talented safety that we desperately need? Look at the bigger picture, don't just think about the present. Sometimes draft decisions are made for the future and adding Mark Barron to our team would really beef up our secondary. You would be getting a solid safety for the next ten years, when was the last time we could say that with confidence?
Mark Barron may not be Darren Woodson, frankly I don't know if there will ever be another Darren Woodson, but I know Barron is a talented prospect who would shore up the safety position for a long time. For the first time ever, I will actually promote the idea of drafting an inured player. Mark Barron just makes total football sense for this team and I hope Jerry Jones makes this happen.
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Not to be superstitious
But wouldn’t Dallas really be pushing its luck if it tried this for a third time? Can this really work out three years in a row?
Oh, my bad.
My bad?!
Your bad don't work in my world! -Ray Lewis
who knows
all I know is that if the opportunity presents itself, I would make it happen
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
so you would do this period?
Oh, my bad.
My bad?!
Your bad don't work in my world! -Ray Lewis
by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 10, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I take him and thank my lucky star (see what I did there) that he fell to us
Hell, just to guarantee I get him, I might move up either back into the late first or early second and take him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm tempted
So who would we target in the first? Do we get our OG in the first with a S in the second and a CB in the third? Or do we go CB in first with S in the second and a OG like Brandon Brooks of MIami(OH)? According to Wes B. at NFP, OG and CB are the two deepest positions this draft.
Oh, my bad.
My bad?!
Your bad don't work in my world! -Ray Lewis
by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 10, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
G, S, CB
are all equally positions of need for the Cowboys.
I’d go BPA, however if DeCastro is there in Rd1, take him, and if Mark Barron is there in Rd2, take him as well. Don’t pass up taking two elite guys at positions of need.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Cowboy also need a DE NT and C LB
wow that is a lot of needs.
Actually the Cowboys have a need everywhere except for WR
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Especially at gm.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Dallas is strong at WR?
Austin is good player when he’s healthy & Dez hasnt been what they expected. after that Dallas doesnt much of anything & they better hope they find that #3WR.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
What did they expect with Dez at WR?
He’s entering his third year and has 15 TDs. His game averages of 61 or so yds per game is not good, understandably. He was off for a year, then his second year there was the lockout – and if anyone needed the OTAs etc it was Bryant, moreso for the structure than anything else.
If Bryant has not done anything except score TDs in the next two years, then I’ll agree with you. I think his “trajectory” seems good, and probably right in line with what the organization expected.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
All depends on FA
If Nicks or Grubbs is signed we should take BPA between CB and OLB at 14 and if Barron is there in the 2nd take him regardless.
If it’s OLB then we take a CB round 3 as Scandrick and him can compete for the opposite starting gig.
by CowboyWay on Feb 10, 2012 2:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the 14th pick can't be gambled on a swing and miss player
I view the first rd prospects for 34OLB as potential swing and miss guys. We can get by with Spencer, even though I want him gone, replacing him is not a pressing need at the present time.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Your kinda guarenteeing 2 things here that you shouldnt
1 the Cowboys want Spencer back. 2 Spencer wants to come back. He is a FA and if there is a team that throws him money no way the Cowboys get in a bidding war for a mediocre at best player. Which then leaves a huge hole at OLB eliminating your scnerio to keep Spencer. Btw its not worth keeping him.
There are 3 Olb/DE prospects in my opinion worth the 14th pick IMO. Whitney Marcelius, Coples, and Ingram. All would be a pass rushing upgrade over Spencer, a motor upgrade, an intensity upgrade. Those were major things lacking in him. Btw as the Giants how key a pass rush can be, it’s a major need.
by CowboyWay on Feb 10, 2012 2:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Our own tandem
If we can form our own Harrison, Woodley tandem Rob would have a field day with that and a guy like Barron on the back end. With an intense pass rush and playmaking safety you don’t need star CB ie Steelers, Giants who have 4 super bowls with no pro bowl corners but elite pass rush
by CowboyWay on Feb 10, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Look, normally I'm going to be advocating for DeMarcus Ware to have some help at LOLB
I want to have two elite pass rushers. However, I also want to protect my effing QB who nearly had his lungs punctured by the broken ribs he played with last year. If we don’t protect Romo, and McGee has to play an extended period of time next year, then we’ll be praying we can draft Matt Barkley at QB in first rd of the 2013 draft.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They way I hve my board right noe
in the first rd:
I have it DeCastro, Coples (34DE/43DT), and then the 34 OLBS (Spencer’s replacment): Perry, Ingram, Mercilus.
I won’t take the Spencer replacement unless DeCastro and Coples are both gone.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 2:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
By all means i agree
Protecting Romo is a major key but as I originally stayed my process is all based on signing Nicks or Grubbs period. If none of them are signed you take Decastro no brainer don’t even let Goodell leave the podium. But if Nicks or Grubbs are signed it would be idiotic to take Decastro when there are other pressing needs. That need to be addressed ie OLB, CB, S, DL. Nicks or Grubbs would be such an upgrade that taking and OG at 14 is silly. When you can get othe impact players as well as another OG in the later rounds. Feel me. But my premise is all based on on signing Nicks or Grubbs.
by CowboyWay on Feb 10, 2012 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We have no idea if the team will even sign Nicks or Grubbs
I hope they do, but from what I hear, a Center is more likely.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Same could be said for Spencer
We have no idea if the team will sign Spencer. But my process is based on addressing the G position in FA by signing one of the top two.
by CowboyWay on Feb 10, 2012 7:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think after the combine
Vinny Curry will be way high on your OLBs. I think we will even be considering him at 14
by BrickTop on Feb 11, 2012 2:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
your also saying without saying Decastro is your choice at pick 14
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Would you
Trade your picks at 45 and 82 for pick 29 or 30 to get him? Team has a lot of holes that 3r round pick could fill …
by DB23 on Feb 11, 2012 8:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes I would
Having a really good safety isn’t a luxury, it’s necessary. Since 1992, the only SB winning teams not have one were the 1999 Rams and 2007 Giants.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 12:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah
in the 2nd round its a steal
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
To be honest the hernia is not a concern for NFL teams
Most players are back on the field playing football at 100% in 4 weeks. The outside time is 6 weeks, although I did see one not return until 10 weeks but there were many circumstances that caused that. On the scale of injury concern the hernia will rate below a pulled hamstring or high ankle sprain. This injury has no affect on Barron’s draft position.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Isn't this the same injury that had donovan mcnabb
playing at 50% for a season or two? I seem to remember them putting some kinda mesh in and then he was never really the same player after that.
Hopefully Barron doesn’t have a similar issue.
by TheCowboyWay on Feb 10, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
McNabb did have a sports hernia but opted for physical therapy instead of surgery and tried to play through it.
This only made it much worse where 2 games later they had to place him on IR and he needed a more aggresive surgery to repair it.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
That MNF game in 2005
Was McNabb’s last game of the season. He started the game doing a Michael Jackson dance after TD, ended the game on IR after throwing a pick 6, I think he got Chad Clifftoned or Kurt Warnered if not mistaken.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 5:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what about a double hernia
from what I read, the recovery time is longer
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
In OCC's post, I think Birddog said recovery time should be 6-10 weeks
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
That is a what is refered to as a Gilmores (double hernia) injury
Typical 4 to 6 weeks to be back playing the longest I have seen is 10 weeks. Non contact full practice you can start as early as 3 weeks.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
ill leave him alone if they guy cant play man they will pass on him..
Barron coverage quality has to be that of a 3 rd corner
by lostar2009 on Feb 10, 2012 1:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's a compliment in this draft!
Coverage can be coached up! He can also work on loosening his hips with the S&C Coach. What I like about him is his motor. When Ellis made that TD catch Barron came up and played through the whistle, trying to knock the ball out of his hands. You could also see his leadership on the field with how the guys around him would get fired on a good play, or calm down after missing an int or tackle! That is a RKG.
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Feb 10, 2012 7:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It is a good theory
But our defense is definately moving toward playing a lot of man coverage. I do not know if he can play it or not, but if his major weakness if something that we need to be a strong point, he doesnt fit well. Otherwise, I have no issue with it. If he is a good fit for the team and is there in the second round… sign him up.
they can use Sensabaugh in coverage
he is the one that is supposed to be the one who can line up with TE’s anyway
I will take Barron and his lapses in man coverage for his hard hitting and ballhawking
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
i wouldnt draft any DB that didnt have ballskills
its all about having ballskills in the secondary. Ed Reed might be model for a FS/BallHawk but i rather have Palamalu if i had a choice bc he plays both positions and he is a nightmare around the LOS.
there has to be another safety in the 3rd+ rounds that is waiting for some team to discover them. find him Chia & get the info to Jerrah.
i also hope to J.Hosley on this Dallas roster. that kid is a ballhawk, fast, athletic & a really great person. he might not be the tallest but dude play big & will take the ball away from WRs
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
Reed and Palamalu are great safties, but
Both are allowed to freelance on plays and call their own assignments and this is made possible due to the level of play of the other 10 guys on defense in their schemes. This takes years to develop that level of understanding of offenses. Very few safties will ever reach the level they play at let alone expecting to draft a rookie to play at that level.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
If we don't take Mark Barron
look out for George Iloka in the second round as well.
George Iloka played FS at Boise State, and in the final 2 or 3 games (including the bowl game vs Arizona St) filled in at CB because of injuries. He can play man and zone. Iloka is 6’4 222, and projects to run a 4.5 40 He’s a really good athlete and has tremendous instincts. He’s made 40 starts at FS in 3 years with 231 tackles and 7 INTs. Currently he’s the number 1 FS prospect in this draft class according to CBS rankings. Before the Senior Bowl, Iloka was ranked as a 3rd or 4th rd pick. Now he’s jumped up to number 67. With a good showing in the combine he will move up further.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 2:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Chia
Awesome post bro. Of all the ones you’ve done for the 2012 Draft so far, I like this one the best. All of them are good, but the sales pitch at the end in this one about taling Barron was superb.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
good looks
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
you mean this?
In the second round, Barron would be a steal. I understand he will miss a lot of time and will not be ready until training camp. But why pass on a talented safety that we desperately need? Look at the bigger picture, don’t just think about the present. Sometimes draft decisions are made for the future and adding Mark Barron to our team would really beef up our secondary. You would be getting a solid safety for the next ten years, when was the last time we could say that with confidence?
Mark Barron may not be Darren Woodson, frankly I don’t know if there will ever be another Darren Woodson, but I know Barron is a talented prospect who would shore up the safety position for a long time. For the first time ever, I will actually promote the idea of drafting an inured player. Mark Barron just makes total football sense for this team and I hope Jerry Jones makes this happen.
I mean everything I say there too, man I want Barron even if it costs me a CB in the 2nd round
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
Having an elite safety is actually more important than elite CBs (you need good ones, but you don’t need elite guys). If you look back to 1992, nearly every SB Champ, outside of the 1999 Rams and 2007 Giants had a Pro Bowl/All-Pro calliber safety (including the 1992 & 1993 Cowboys).
Look how the Eagles have struggled since they let go of Brian Dawkins. Sure he was up there in age, but they haven’t been able to replace him. For all the really good CBs they have, no longer can the Eagles shut down the middle of the field like they used to.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yup. You hammered the sales pitch home.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Makes a lot of sense
I’m not certain that he’ll fall that far, but if he does, he’s the right choice. The Cowboys have had two good drafts in a row, and are assembling the core pieces for the future. There’s no reason to demand instant results, so I love the idea of drafting someone with such an injury.
if they are willing to wait a whole year for a ILB
why cant they wait a couple of months for a S? a safety we desperately need
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
exactly. i couldn't have said it better myself
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So just because it's a weak safety class...
does it mean that safeties available can’t be coached to be great players? It all comes down to coaching.
I can't stand it when
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
people say it's a weak class
there’s talent to be had despite what the Mel Kipers and Todd McShays think.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 3:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
it's a weak safety class
it was last year too
just the facts
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yes but
Barron would be xcelent value but doesn’t really solve the problem of a lack of a true FS with range who can play going back not just forward as Broaddus says. With him and Sensi you’d have 2 SS who can kinda fake it at FS.
by DB23 on Feb 10, 2012 4:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Barron has ball skills, so this is why I would advocate drafting him
SS’s dont usually generate 7 INT in one year
he’s interchangeable and it allows you to dump Sensabaugh in year because no way he plays up to the contract he got, then you can move Barron back to SS and grab a FS
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
if that is the case then why not go this route?
1st- Jenkins
2nd- Barron
3rd- Martin
4th- J. Robinson (Coastal Carolina)
5th- K. Reyes
6th/7th- BPA
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by mho on Feb 10, 2012 8:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wouldn't mind that
doubtful Josh Norman and Reyes last that long though
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Chia..
Great Post..
Anyway you could do one on Perry out of USC soon? Interested to see what he would bring..
Thanks and keep up the work..
I think I wrote about Nick Perry a while ago actually
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Man, I miss Darren Woodson..
He was on the radio recently and he brought up the Giants game a couple years ago when Newman yelled at Sensabaugh. He said “no way Newman would have done that to me!!” We have been struggling for 8 years to find someone to replace him. He was the QB of the secondary, a heavy hitter and playmaker. He played LB in college and made a smooth transition to safety. People really didn’t appreciate him until he was gone… He a Hall of Famer in my book and should definitely be the next candidate for the Ring of Honor.
by dcsince77 on Feb 10, 2012 4:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
heres the link to that story
I loved it when he says: “I’ll be damned if Newman yelled at me”
by dcsince77 on Feb 10, 2012 4:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
good looks on the edit
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 10, 2012 5:55 PM CST reply actions
Good post Chia
Barron is a solid talent with the athletic ability to develop in a very strong all around safety. No reason he cannot be a day 1 starter.
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What do you think of Markelle Martin and Tramain Thomas?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
thanks
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Props Chia...... my thoughts....
you know I am huge sec so I’ve seen Barron play many times. Barron is very good when he can keep the play in front of him. He isn’t as good as Phillips. Phillips can turn and make plays. That’s were Barron struggles.
Regardless of his limitations he is better than anything we have. One of the great things about Barron is he will lay the wood to you. How badly do we need an intimidator ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
we've needed one since DWood retired. Roy Williams wasn't one, he just horse collared people.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
badly
we have no physical force on the defense that intimidates people
we just really need a good safety
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
A bama party
I just for whatever reason feel like he won’t fall to us in the 2nd round. Would love to draft him in the second and Kirkpatrick in the first, that would go a long way in helping our incompetent secondary. You won’t find me opposed to any players coming out of a Nick Saban secondary, it gets no better than that.
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by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 12:58 AM CST reply actions
+1
If they came out of the draft with Upshaw or Kirkpatrick in 1 and Barron in 2 you’d have to be pleased. No guarantees but can’t go too wrong drafting Bama/Saban D.
That said, I do not see Barron dropping out of the first round, hernia or no.
by DB23 on Feb 11, 2012 8:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
early second
Is where I see him going. If we want him, I think we’ll have to trade up to get him.
If we end up trading down in the 1st, I think we should use some of our extra ammo to trade up in the 2nd and get this guy.
I just hope if we trade down, we don’t go further down than the very low 20’s
Personally I don't want any gumps on Dallas.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
see I love Miami
and if we drafted Florida State guys, I could care less
I just want good football players
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Da |_| had a really good recruiting class
Hopefully Al Golden can turn it into something. I’m just glad Jacory Harris’ career at Miami is finished. Now they can have a real QB.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Miami has never had a real QB
all of those 2000 teams were loaded and Dorsey was the QB
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Chia I know you know I don't care who we draft as long as he can ball.
Jus gotta get a little dig in , ya know ?
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by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
lol all good
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
All about winning
If they are going to help us win a super bowl, I don’t care where they come from. I’m a lsu alum and I have no problem with drafting bama players cause I recognize their talent and I guess that ass whoopin they gave us in the national championship might also persuade me.
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by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Are LSU fans pissed Jordan Jefferson called out the coaches?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LSU fans are pissed because Jordan Jefferson is alive. Jordan Jefferson is
embarrassment to football humanity. Jordan Jefferson is the worst team mate in the history of football. Jordan Jefferson will be a pro’s pro at bagging groceries. The dude is an embicile in it’s purest form. Jordan Jefferson is the reason LSU didn’t throw. Jordan Jefferson is at best an outhouse. He needs to jump off a cliff head first. Jordan Jefferson would make Quincy Carter look like Dan Marino.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
imbecile.....kinda pissed...i hate jefferson more than jerry
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by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Nah I'm over it
I kind of agree with him I didn’t like the game plan at all. They weren’t aggressive, bama improved on their game plan from the last game to this one, and Saban refused to let a damn option beat him again. It’s like the coaching staff was just waiting for that one big play to happen to unite the team and it just never happened. Whether we played Jefferson or Lee I think we were doomed it’s hard to beat a team as good as Alabama twice in a year.
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by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe u forgot how terrible JJ was vs Ga. Jj is the worst starting qb in the history of div 1 football.
He is worse than Quincy Carter. Not even close. Quincy on weed is better than JJ.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
It wasn't an asswhoopin.....
It was a laydown by LSU. All those players who wanted JJ back at qb got what they deserved. Lsu is gonna rip heads off this year.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Who
Oh, my bad.
My bad?!
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by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 11, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
wow, still crying a month later.
get over it! A better team beat you soundly! Look forward to next year and cross your fingers.
To not want players on your pro team because they are from a rival of your college team is stupid. Let’s hope you have your tongue in cheek at least a little.
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by Realist Larry on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Really
He has been the qb for 3 yrs u expect players to not want him to start. The team played hard the defense didn’t laydown until the last quarter, it was just a horrible game plan by our offense whether u blame that on the coaching staff or the players. Jarrett Pick 6 Lee lost the job last time they played Bama remember when he kept throwing picks, I really doubt him playing would have mattered. But we cheer for the same team and we should be mad at the system that allowed a team from not only our conference but our same division to play us again. GEAUX TIGERS
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by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
The offense layed down. JJ is a PAB.
He didn’t deserve to reclaim his starting spot. I hope the fricker goes to jail. The o line had , had enough of JJ. JJ couldn’t direct a middle school offense. Les was stuck with JJ because of his dad. I wish I could tell you the whole story there but I can’t. Sometimes mandatory discretion blows.
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by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
man, the only guy I hated that much who was on a team I rooted for was TO!
I got sick when they signed him.
Another of JJ’s marvels as GM!
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by Realist Larry on Feb 12, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Momma always told me life is like a box of chocolates
You never know what you’re gonna get
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You state
“Barron is a much better athlete than Williams and he can generate turnovers.”
Statistics
534 Tackles (433 Solo, 101 Assist)
6.5 Sacks
57 Pass Deflections
19 Interceptions
307 Int. Yards (Longest 85 Yards)
3 Defensive Touchdowns
9 Forced Fumbles
Those are Roy Williams stats, he generated turnovers. He was a great safety with mediocre coverage skills that were abused with piss poor corners, lack of a pass rush, and once we lost Woodson there was no one to help. Hell he even did pretty good when Henry/Hamlin was here.
Elam / Sense have played just as well, if not worse, as Williams did while here.
how many turnovers did he have in his last two years in Dallas?
Roy Williams was not that good of an athlete, he was a LB playing safety
at LB, he would be considered an athlete but not at S
Barron can generate turnovers, look at his numbers in three years
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Roy Williams got fat.
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by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Wasnt he supposed to marry Kelly Rowland?
by BrickTop on Feb 11, 2012 4:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dunno.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
lol
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry I missed this earlier...
Williams in his last two years at Dallas at 2 interceptions. But if you remember 2008, his last year, he only started 2 games and then he had that forearm injury. If we go back to and use 2006 and 2007 as his last years, then he has 7 interceptions.
All I am trying to say is we blamed the wrong guy the entire time. Yes his coverage skills were not great. But he did deflect passes and grab interceptions. Our weakness has always been our Corners and once we lost Woodson we lost our ballhawk safety.
In short Williams could not cover the deep pass or play catch up in coverage. He was an attacker, a damn good one. He needed corners who didn’t play like pretty princesses or another amazing talent such as Woodson to watch the backfield while Williams did what he did best and attack the ball.
you know I will give Roy some credit
he was a pretty good athlete before he started getting banged up because of his physical play
he was real good before that
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
I was a big Roy Williams fan actually
then he started getting abused in coverage and that was the beginning of the end for him
if we could have kept him at SS and got him a adequate FS, and he stayed injury free who knows
but I remember once he started getting beat up top and he lost a step, it was over and it was sad because the authentic #31 white jersey still hangs in my closet to this day
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
wasn't roy supposed to say a "one day contract"
so he could retire a Cowboy?
There was a time when he was my favorite Cowboy, and not undeservedly, I don’t think.
by Alan Smithee on Feb 11, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Janoris Jenkins round one
Mark Barron round two
Chandler Jones round three
Senio-Kelemete round four
Jason Jones free agent.
This would work
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 12:52 PM CST reply actions
Safety ... a History
If there is a great safety prospect, I’m willing to pay a lot. But usually the timing must be right. Look at how hard it is to fill the position in the draft … . who do we wish we had taken? Who was worthy of a top pick? Or a trade up or down? ( Who can predict the success for the latter round guys? )
2012 Barron (#13 in ESPN)
We pick #14, 46(?). He’s not dropping into the 2nd round.
2011 none
2010 Thomas (14), Chancellor (133).
We traded up to get Dez #24.
2009 Delmas (33), Chung (34), Byrd (42), Quin (112).
Traded #20 for Roy Williams. 2nd round pick #51 traded for #67.
Trading up for Delmas would have been much smarter than trading down.
2008 Phillips (31)
Picked Felix #22 but would have taken Cris Johnson in retrospect.
Picked Jenkins #25 but we had already cast our fate with Hamlin.
Also Jenkins was a decent pick, although Flowers is better.
2007 Landry (6), Griffin (19), Nelson (21), Merriweather (24), Weddle (37)
Traded #22 to Browns. Would do it again.
Traded from #36 for #26 to get Spencer. Weddle was in our pocket, but picking
Woodley at #36 would have been better.
2006 Huff (7), Whitner (8), Manning (42), Harper (43)
Picked #18, #49 traded down for #53. Of course we picked terribly but there were
better options than safety, given the draft order.
The Kenny Phillips comparison is good, because then it makes sense to trade down later in the 1st round and get Barron. But he won’t be there.
If you can say that picking Kenny Phillips at #14 in 2008 would have been the best decision, then pick Barron now without hesitatiion.
If you can say that picking Weddle at #22 in 2007 was the best decision then pick Barron now.
Otherwise, let’s talk about CB.
2008 I meant
Picking Phillips at #22 and saying he is worth more than any other draft need.
Back then, Hamlin evidently wowed us, that’s why he got the huge contract. If he had an Elam type of year, then I wonder if he would have been re-signed. Or would Phillips have have been picked over Jenkins or Jones?
Knowing what we know now, was Phillips worth an earlier pick? There were no other good safties in that draft. The situation with Barron is the same. Looking ahead, free agency isn’t going to be any better than now. Are we going to wait 2 years for someone like Delmas? Could we even get him?
Picking Barron at #14 is a huge statement about what’s important for our defensive system, mostly for the what it means as a missed opportunity for OLB, DE, CB (and also feeling the pain of the DeCastro lovers).
Maybe I’m too frustrated but I want us to be good at something and Romo is the key. Fix the OL.
For defense, CB is obviously bad. I’d rather pick CB rounds 1 and 2 and take my chances with a mediocre S.
I thought the Phillips comparison was a solid one
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Then he's NOT worth a #14 pick
You like Ingram … if he’s the next Von Miller then it’s a no brainer.
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First time commenting but long time reader at BTB, I was wondering, Chia, what your thoughts were/what info you had on Alameda Ta’amu from washington. He has good height, frame, and weight and seems like a tough kid with a mean streak (also, in an interview, he seemed like a RKG). Do you think he could be an option for us in the early/middle rounds? I’ve seen that he is currently projected around the 3rd and 4th round. Could he brent, Lissy be a suitable replacement in the middle so we can move Rat to end? It just seems like it would be a good fit for everyone…brent and Ta’amu at NT and then you can have rat, hatcher, lissy, spears and prob geathers at end (prob cut coleman) and then you still have lissy and rat to work at NT if injuries or ineffective play occurs…..but its just food for thought
I really like Ta'amu
he was a beast at the Senior Bowl and he would be that big space eating NT we need
having him would allow Ryan to get creative
I would take him in the 3rd, but idk how he falls to us there
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
And we could get him later than Poe.
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by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldnt have a problem with us doing some moves to get him…..he could definitely be a solid force in the middle for us, and as a result, killing two birds with one stone
by Stickyfeet24 on Feb 12, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
also
if you find that you like him, will you do a post on him so we can get more info
eventually sure, I will get to him
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
assuming for the moment that Coples won't be there
Who’s the next guy that might profile as a early round 3-4 DE? Jared Crick, Jerel Worthy, Fletcher Fox?
woops, sorry, haha
meant to put this in the Coples post, my bad.
by Alan Smithee on Feb 12, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
lol all good, it gets confusing which article you are on sometimes
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
I like Kendall Reyes
nobody really talks about him though
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
as i've said in the recent mock post
I am definitely starting to come around to the idea of taking an impact pass rusher early. If Janoris Jenkins is really who the organization loves(though Broaddus seems to think the Rob Ryan talk about “only db’s” is a smokescreen), I’ll be on board, but in today’s NFL it seems that you can cover up an average secondary a lot better than you can an average front line. Also, it seems this might be the right draft to find a good corner after the first round.
I just hope there is a stud pass rusher actually in this class, and that the Cowboys can get him.
by Alan Smithee on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
+54
Kendall Reyes may be the best 5 technique Defensive End in this draft. He dominated the senior bowl and would be a great fit here.
Kendall Reyes
6-3 1/2 300 4.99
Those seem like Marcus Spears numbers.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
According to Rob Rang
Reyes is very quick of the snap and has quick hands. During the Senior Bowl practices, the North Squad’s interior offensive linemen were no match for him. He dominated Kevin Zeitler.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Safety for the next 10 years?
What makes you so sure he will have a long career, or that he would play for 10 years? His current injury? Woodson only played 13.
The truth is
Dallas should scoop this guy up at 14… He’s that good. Watch his tape, he excels in every facet of the game. He’s a big kid that comes down in run support and fills better than any safety we’ve had since Darren Woodson. add that to the fact that can create turnovers and make plays in coverage. If we continue to ignore the secondary we will continue to get the same results.
If you could have any one NFL player to put on our roster, who would it be?
Thomas at safety … then pick Barron.
Miller at OLB … then pick Ingram.
Joseph at CB … then pick Jenkins.
Manning at QB … just joking.
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He falls to us in the 2nd, i’ll run up there myself and make the pick
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I'm starting to believe that safety is an intrinsically weak position
great athletes come out of college playing CB; there never seem to be many good safety prospects
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions
The problem is the evolution of the safety position in the NFL
While safeties still need to ba able to drop down in the box and stop the run, in the NFL they also now need to have the speed to cover recievers and backs 1 on 1 in pass coverage and have the size and speed to cover TE’s. In todays NFL you really need to be a Ronnie Lott type player at the safety position who can play both FS and SS and cover like CB. This is a lot different than what safties do in most College programs.
You also have a similar problem with CB’s in the NFL also need to have solid run stopping and tackleing ability to take on RB’s in the run game.
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