Can Romo win the Super Bowl?
by mestifo on Feb 10, 2012 11:16 AM CST
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As Dallas fans each of us has heard this question surrounding the coverage of our team and our knee jerk reaction as a fanatic is always "Yes! Of course he can!!" It is what we want to believe. As the data mounts and we get a better and better read on what Tony Romo actually is we have to really address this question. The facts are standing on their own and Romo isn't getting any younger. If the current group of Cowboys has a 2-3 year window (and I believe the offensive window is much wider than that) then shouldn't we take every step to take full advantage of that? I believe, if you honestly think Tony Romo CAN'T win the Super Bowl then we have a prime opportunity to jump start the Cowboys for both the present and into the future. I'll explain after the jump.
5 Facts that you must accept as such before the rest of this makes any sense:
Peyton Manning could be a free agent as soon as next week. He is looking to go to a contender. He is willing to accept a "pay for play" contract. You believe that Tony Romo does not have the ability to win a Super Bowl in his make-up. You believe that over the next three years Peyton Manning is a better QB than Tony Romo.
Romo will be playing in his 32, 33 and 34 years. Manning is his 36, 37, 38 years.
This is the kind of splash that JERRAH lives for. He is guaranteed to get performance for his investment and the marketing opportunities on the side alone will pay for the contract. Not to mention the increased possibility of prime time games for the Cowboys with Eli Manning's rising star and two guaranteed Big Brother/Little Brother match-ups every year. That's the financial side of the move and it's a positive.
The Cowboys would lose Romo, but what would be gained in return? Don't you think that any of these GM's that are currently considering risking a #1 pick and a heap of money on drafting a QB would rather trade that pick and give the money to a proven NFL commodity? History shows that drafting your QB of the Future is at best a 50/50 proposition and you have to invest the money whether it is hit or miss. Meanwhile, you can give up that pick and a conditional 3rd or 4th to get a proven NFL passer with 5-6 years left to jumpstart your team. There are several teams that would jump on this opportunity - Vikings, Browns, Redskins, Jaguars, Seahawks and Cardinals all have picks in the top 13 and are thinking they need a QB. The Cowboys could either take a QB to learn from Peyton for the next three years or use the extra first rounder to shore up the defense where at least 3 starters are needed.
Even if Peyton costs $20M against the cap, you are losing Romo's $10M and the Cowboys are projected near $25M in cap room for next year. So you pick up a Super Bowl winning QB, everyone in the NFL is talking about the Cowboys as elite again, you pick up an extra 1st round draft pick (at a minimum) for Romo and you still have around $15M to spend in free agency for 2012. if you use the extra 1st rounder on a QB2 to groom then you are addressing both the present and the future with this flurry of moves. If you use it on defense then you are going all in on the now.
What if it backfires? What if Peyton can't cut it as an NFL QB anymore? Then either you have used an extra 1st round pick on a QB of the future and have surrounded him with great, young talent (Witten 30, Austin 28, Bryant 24, Laurent 27 - if resigned, Murray 24, Jones 25, Smith OL 21) to start a rebuild of the offense or you have used that pick to help the defense be much improved and you invest a 3rd or 4th in a trade for a journeyman like Orton to make it out of the year and then go franchise QB shopping next year. And remember . . . this is the WORST CASE SCENARIO!!
Either way, success or not success, the decision is made and you have not wasted any of your current assets on a path that you may change your mind about later. THIS is the decision that charts the course in one way or another for the franchise over the next several years . . . all that is left is to wait and see how it turns out.
This idea has been rambling around in my brain for a few days now and I am casting it to you of Blogging the Boys for feedback. Am I giving too much time to a pipe dream here or could this be one of those "Phillies sign Cliff Lee/Angels sign Albert Pujols" moments in the making?
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Peyton would get slaughtered behind the Cowboys OL
and he’s one hit away from retiring…any team that is willing to take that risk is asking for trouble…if your gonna compete in the NFC East ya better be tough…just ask Rob Ryan after his defense got dismantled by the Redskins, Giants and Eagles….
Absolute absurdity
The reason Romo hasn’t won a superbowl is that the team around him hasn’t been up to the task. Manning would fare no better with teams Tony has had. And who knows if he can even play.
Manning wouldn't last one game with the OL we had this season
and even if he did, he sure as hell wouldn’t be any more productive than Romo, thats for sure. We would have still finished 8-8.
In Romo we Trust
Maybe Manning doesn't throw a pick 12 to the Lions.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Next what ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO Fernie. And the sheep go baaaah.
If you were deeper you would have understood the retort and to whom it was intended and why. I’m sure you’re proud now. Shallow.
Carry on….
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO Fernie. No one needs to make fun of Terry.
Minnow in the puddle syndrome. LOL
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
M'kay. Maybe you're confusing obscurity for depth if your post was
something more than that. Carry on.
Fernie I don't think you're obscure. Give yourself more credit.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Eli oline look just as bad as ours in the sb
But still he made plays your qb has to make plays when it count..
When will Romo do that? Or whats our new excuse? There is always a excuse floating around
by lostar2009 on Feb 11, 2012 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree with this.
The way Eli got pressure on Brady for that safety was a thing of beauty. And then there was that pass that Belichick challenged. Not the most beautiful pass, but the concentration Eli show as he caught the ball, making sure his feet were in bounds. Great catch by Eli. By the way, anyone know how to do the sarcasm font? But in all seriousness, let’s give some credit to the Giants’ defense stepping up and playing when they needed to. In the Super Bowl, the Giants’ had a clutch defense. Anyone remember the last time Dallas’ defense made those kind of stops?
It is not an excuse to claim this is a team game. It is not an excuse to state when a team plays well a team wins and when a team plays bad a team loses. But, when you place all of the blame on a single individual who does not deserve, that’s called scapegoating.
"I know we put a lot of weight on championships, and rightfully so. But championships are won as a team, and I'm fully convinced of that. You never see one guy — a great player, great quarterback — carry a team through the playoffs and into a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl that way. I've never seen it." - Kurt warner
Players don't win SBs, teams win SBs
Anyone who thinks a QB is the sole reason why a team is either successful or not successful has no clue what the hell they’re talking about.
Football is a team game, you put great players around a great qb like Romo, and championships will be won in bunches.
In Romo we Trust
Define "bunch"
Before we even get to “bunches”, define “bunch”. One’s a single, two’s a couple, three’s start of a potential trend (if consecutive) or “a few”, so 3 or more (being generous including 3 in the “bunch”). Now name teams that have won 3 or more consecutive chmapionships, either Conference or Super Bowl, since the Cowboys inception.
Bunches?!
That's one small step...
Not with the team that surrounds him.
In Jerry’s mind having a bunch of wr’s should have been good enough. he never cared about restocking the d line or secondary and worse the o line.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Get Real!
You have to be kidding. Who wants an old 35-36 Quarterback who we don’t even know if he has anything left? Plus his injury history. We need to rebuild the Defense and next year we look for a new Franchise Quarterback.
Who wants a qb who can't throw ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Manning can't run either. Tebow can. Your point ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Jaguars
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yes you're wasting your time. Move along people, there's absolutely nothing to see here.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
As bad a GM as Jerry is...
…I’m even more happy that the fans don’t run the show.
The NFC East has won 12 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Feb 11, 2012 9:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
If 3/4 of the league salivate at the idea to claim your franchise quarterback, if you decide to part ways with him, you may want to rethink your decision. Has Romo has his bonehead occasions yes, but nothing about last season makes me want to throw in the towel on him and go get Peyton.
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
we need to draft a legit qb this year
It might not be manning but we will have a new face back there..
Man all these excuses for Romo is insane.. lol!!!! How many sacks did Romo take in that detroit game that cause him to throw ints??? Ha!!! Its in this guy nature.. To be honest Peyton and Brady never play the way they do now with 3 int games or decay of skills until they got in their mid 30s. Romo was doing this in his late 20s.. ill still take any of these 2 guys over Romo.
by lostar2009 on Feb 11, 2012 11:18 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Whether you want to believe it
Quarterbacks mess up, they are all the same if you hit them in the mouth too many times they will make mistakes. Brady threw 4 ints the week before at Buffalo it happens, every quarterback makes mistakes from time to time. Did Romo mess up against Detroit yeah he did, but your qb shouldn’t be slinging the ball around when you are up 27-3 anyway. You can’t legitimately say the quarterback play was the reason for us missing the playoffs this year, Romo did his part and that’s all I can ask for.
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
how do u know Romo audible into throws???
All 3 off those pases he force.. but guy when Brady and Manning was Romo age they was winning sb and redefine they term Qb by shattering new records ..
You guys put Romo on elite level but besides a qb rating what has he done??? Base on this he will not make the hof or the ring of honor.. i see Romo as a avg qb that can extend the play. His wr core make him look good
by lostar2009 on Feb 11, 2012 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
really
The first one was a bad pass, the second one was great play by the db which Laurent didn’t get his body in between the db and the ball, and the last one was the right read but because of Suh barring down on him he didn’t step into the throw resulting in not enough air on the ball which was why it was behind Witten.
You keep bringing up this age thing Brady is 34, 3 to 4 years ago he was losing to the Giants in the super bowl kind of like this year. (deja vu) Manning u r right he was winning mvps and shattering records, but personally I don’t care about records all I care about is a super bowl win. As successful as Manning’s career has been he has only seen the mountaintop once. The saints broke the rams record for most yards and Brees broke Marino’s most passing yards record, what do they have to show for it nothing.
You seem to like stats, so the reason why Romo is considered by many as an elite qb is because he ranks in the top 10 in every passing category every year. If your argument would have contained names such as maybe Rodgers or Brees than I would probably agree with u, but to think these two qbs who r probably past their prime and can’t elude any type of pressure are better for this cowboys team to win a championship is silly to me. I do agree with the fact that he will not make the hof or the ring of honor with this body of work so far, but it took Elway until he was 37 to secure his legacy so just be patient.
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
i really dont care for stats but the field in which i study in requires me to be pay attn to detail , be very analytical,
I must also be great in numbers..
The fact remains is that year you talk about Brady lost in the sb he score over +50 tds and i believe that was a record.. While Romo playing with the best oline JJ could afford alsi yielding ( 4 pro bowlers on the oline) threw a reckless amount of ints.. He also folded in the giants game when we desperately needed a play. Now grant it… Eli played in the sb under constant harrassment but still yielded big plays in crunch time… while Romo didnt deliver..
You know what make all the great qb elites??? Having the ability to overcome all the bs the qb himself, his teammates, the refs, injuries, or anything else have done to put your team down and still overcome all and win when it counts.
by lostar2009 on Feb 11, 2012 3:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The elite
Two questions, first do you think the undefeated Patriots was a better team then Dallas that year? Second, do you think your elite quarterback Brady would have beat the giants in the playoffs if he was Dallas quarterback that year?
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
You say you must pay attention to detail...
Yet your posts are nearly as difficult to decipher as Jerry-speak. How does that happen? Be analytical when you watch football, you might understand what is happening better. I’d honestly say more but I can’t understand half of what you said.
And don’t use the mobile excuse, we all have phones, and nobody types like that. Romo isn’t going anywhere and rightly so, so just get used to it.
Some guys can blow leads, others can't
put McGee in that same situation, McNabb, Peyton whomever, they could NEVER do the same thing.
The guy is 31… let him take some responsibility here… we should have been 4-0 to start the season and we could have been at least 10-6.
Biggest improvement we could do is a change at QB. QB’s and RB’s get the ball the most, they need to be the best of their draft class. Emmitt Smith was, Troy Aikman was, Demarco Murray obviously was, we just need to fix QB.
If its not McGee then we should dip into the draft.
Against it
Bringing in Manning you will have to change your whole offense to cater to him and we say this all the time this team is not one player away from winning a super bowl. Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks statistically ever on paper, but still the facts remain he only has one ring and so does Trent Dilfer. If Manning was in his twenties I would consider it and I’m pretty sure the colts wouldn’t let him go if that was the case, but he’s not. Correct me if I’m wrong, but name a time where bringing in a veteran quarterback to a completely new team and conference has resulted in a super bowl win or berth I’ll wait.
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 12:20 PM CST reply actions
Stick with Romo
First of all, if you get rid of Romo, you have to take a HUGE cap hit. There would be no room to sign anybody to fill in other positions of need. The team around Peyton couldn’t improve. Second, Peyton is no sure thing. He has been cleared medically, but he still can’t throw. Reports are he has a “noodle arm” and he hasn’t been able to throw to his left yet. This of course can improve over time, but why risk it? Romo is coming off of the best season of his career…he is fine. Give him some help on D and on the oline. I don’t know if he will win the big one, but I like my chances with him over Peyton. Again, getting rid of Romo wrecks the salary cap, and we can’t sign hardly anybody but Peyton,
espn influences their thinking
They just hear a big name quarterback and assume he would be the answer to all our prayers. When as good as his career has been, he has only been to the mountaintop once.
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 11, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Actually because of the core age on this team I wouldn't mind signing Flynn
and trading Romo. Romo is my favorite player but i don’t think he will play in a superbowl in a Dallas uniform. There just isn’t enough around him. Flynn would allow you to get younger and more time to grow as a team.
That will never happen though. Jerry still thinks we are just a couple of players away.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Flynn over McGee?
Your talking about the 13th ranked QB in the draft. Going into the season he was 22-40 for 300 yards, not exactly impressive, he had 1 big game in a very potent offense. Very impressive, yet he’s now as good as Romo?
He’s not near as good as McGee. Remember he took over for Russell in LSU and was successful, much like taking over for Rodgers. Yet his passing % was 56, which is consistent with his NFL average. He gets a big boost from his week 17 Detroit game. McGee has been consistent, every game you know he’s going to throw around 65% and not throw INTs, protect the ball and move it down the field. He led the league with 600 yards in the pre-season. His most impressive performances were after he threw INTs, he bounces back, doesn’t get down on himself. He shows as much poise as any other QB in the NFL. He’s cool under pressure yet he would be on the sideline motivating his guys when he needs to. He’s a leader.
If the Cowboys still go to Romo for the next 3 years and he sits or goes somewhere else I would not be surprised, he has not proven anything yet. But if you give this guy a shot he will prove himself and he is certainly a better option then a Matt Flynn or any other unproven guy you can think of. Put him behind Romo or Manning OK, but pay $5M for an unproven guy who is not better than your backup? Not a good idea…
A lot of Cowboy fans STILL believe the Cowboys WILL win with Romo as their QB
but most of us know better. Yes, it could happen, but it takes a special QB or great leadership somewhere else to do that. Defenses win championships and Dallas hasn’t had a dominant defense since Jimmy Johnson was the head coach. That puts more pressure on the head coach and the QB.
Romo is a great QB who seems elite, but he’s not a MVP QB. In this offense he looks better than he would look elsewhere. It’s very misleading.
The Cowboys were very successful with Meredith, Morton, Staubach, White and Aikman. We have been successful with Romo, all the numbers are there, just not the playoff success.
I can understand John Elway not having success in the Superbowl early in his career. He was an elite QB who took teams deeper into the playoffs then they should have. He didn’t have guys like Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, Dez Bryant to work with. For Romo th reverse is true.
When Jon Kitna took over at QB you just felt like he could win every game. It was like the curse was lifted. If he had a lead in the 4th he would ice it. It took awhile for the team to get their spirits up but by the Giants game when Garrett took over as HC, he had those guys believing in him. You saw it in NY, you saw it against Detroit. Thanksgiving Day vs the Saints? Who thought that a Kitna Dallas team was going to come back down 20-6? I did. Kitna put on a 17-3 run and almost iced it with that pass to Roy Williams which easily could have put us up by 11 with time ticking down.
That’s the QB I want… not the one who barely got by Miami on Thanksgiving Day, the one that knocked off the Superbowl Champs… again. These are good teams that Romo has had and a different QB would have different results. I don’t know if its McGee, Manning or someone else but its worth a close look.
Jerry says he’s disappointed that we wasted another great Romo year. Did we? Or did we waste another great Ware year?
I just get the feeling that if Demarco gets an injury or Miles or whomever, Romo will fold. He was fine until Demarco’s injury. Eli was fine after losing 2 TE’s in the Superbowl, it didn’t faze him a bit. How would Romo have handled it?
That’s something you can’t teach.
Do I want Peyton? Maybe not, I just want a QB who CAN win a Superbowl… give McGee a shot, whomever, just get us deep into the playoffs. Get some momentum…
Give McGee a shot really
This is all I ask from anti-Romo cowboys fans, since you want the man out name his suitable replacement. I would assume this replacement would be obtainable this offseason, be able to at least give us 5 years with him, not have to worry about his health issues, and we would be able to win with this qb immediately. So go head give me a name, I’ll wait….
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 12, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Talking to someone today about this
Not sure if he was much of a Cowboys fan or not but he issued the same media consensus. “If the game is on the line in the 4th quarter is Romo going to win it for you? He’s not the guy I would want in that situation”
I understand the Romo-addiction since I used to have it, but for the Cowboys the quicker we give the QB job to someone who is capable of performing in that situation, the longer we wait. Hey Danny White was a 3rd round pick, McGee is a 4th round pick, both of them could be similar. Maybe McGee doesn’t get us over the top, but I bet we get further than we do with Romo.
Romo looked a lot worse in 2006.
If we keep with Romo we know the result.
If we go after a veteran QB it could be better.
Otherwise we stick with McGee or we move on, trade up and get Griffin or Luck maybe.
Romo is an injury away from his trade stock plummeting so if we don’t pull the trigger now, it will never be worth it later…
i stopped reading half way through
when this article got to the part where Dallas would get a 1st round pick from a team if they traded Romo….ok, stop right there, if Romo cant win a superbowl for Dallas right now all by himself. What team will think he can win one for them? If Romo is sooooo bad, what team would want him? all these questions about Romo winning a superbowl, Romo this and Romo that….The real question should be IF Romo had a TEAM around him. a solid defense, a solid OL to pass protect and open holes for the run game, a consistent rushing attack. the defense not blowing 4th quarter leads that Romo gives him..with ALL that, Can Romo win a superbowl for Dallas..the answer is a YES with a capitol Y. because i have never heard of ANY QB in the history of the NFL winning anything all by himself…
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