Draft Talk: The Polarizing Quinton Coples
The one prospect that I have not spent some time talking about is UNC defensive lineman, Quinton Coples. Coples is a guy that I am having a difficult time evaluating and I honestly don't know if I like him that much. I hate spending time writing about prospects I don't like, in my eyes it is a waste of time. But when I look at Coples, I see one amazing physical specimen with great athletic ability.
After his junior season, people were talking about Coples being a top five pick. After a down senior season, Coples is not being heralded like he was this time last year. It's amazing to me how opinions can change on a player after just one year.
In my draft journey the past two years, no prospect has stumped me as much as UNC's Quinton Coples has. I have had a really difficult time getting a grasp of who Quinton Coples is. Who exactly is Quinton Coples? Is he a dominant five technique 3-4 defensive end? Is he a rush 3-4 outside linebacker? Is he just a 4-3 defensive end?
I am having a difficult time plugging him into one position and to be honest with you, Coples has the athletic ability to play any of those positions. He is that talented where he can play anywhere in the NFL. But I am trying to pin down where he would play for the Cowboys, which we will get into later.
Coples also has me questioning his character, motor and mentality. When compared to the other big time pass rushing prospects in this draft, Coples is the one who has more question marks. I have no questions about Melvin Ingram and Courtney Upshaw as far as character, motor and mentality go. When I look at Coples, I just have big time questions about him.
When you are picking a player that high in the first round (14th overall), you better be sure you get a great player. You don't want to leave round one with a player with big time question marks. This is my line of thinking when picking in the first round, especially in the top 15.
I want a great player, I want a player who will give me big time contribution and a playmaker. When I am spending big time money on a player that I select this high, I want production in return.
Maybe that is setting the bar too high, I understand that. But teams do place a high emphasis on their first round picks, they want these players to be great. If the Cowboys enter the first round every year believing that they just want a solid player in the first round, than they are not entering the draft with the right type of mindset.
You must enter the first round with the belief of landing a great player. This is a top 15 pick, not the end of the first round. Demand greatness and draft a great talent, if you have that type of mindset , you might end up with a great player.
This is why I see Anthony Spencer and Felix Jones as busts. Both were first round draft picks that never lived up to their expectations. You can do better than 6 sacks a year. You can do better than under 1,000 yards and a couple of touchdowns.
I will say that I love Felix Jones and his skill set. Felix may never live up to my lofty expectations, but I do value him on this team because of his playmaking ability. It's not Felix's fault where he was drafted, but at some point I would love to see him step up and be that guy.
With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, Quinton Coples is another target for the Cowboys.
Quinton Coples
One thing that cannot be taught is size. Coples is a physical freak with a long, lean muscular frame. During the Senior Bowl, Coples weighed in at just under 6'6 at 6'5 3/4 and 281 pounds. That is dominating size and due to his size, Coples can play a variety of positions on the defensive line.
Coples has the size to play as a dominant 4-3 defensive end, so a lot of 4-3 teams will be highly interested in him. Coples reminds many of us of former UNC great, Julius Peppers. There is also the Mario Williams comparisons and they are valid. Coples has the same body type and size compared to both of those NFL greats.
Also keep in mind, I doubt we are moving back to a 4-3 defense this year. But if we did down the road, we would have a clear centerpiece to build a 4-3 defense around with Coples.
What Coples also possesses is long arms and a huge wingspan. If you have read my pass rushing articles the past year, you will know how I crave the pass rushers with long arms. Jason Pierre Paul and Aldon Smith are the two prospects I mention all the time when describing this type of pass rusher. Coples has 33 inch arms and a 80 inch wingspan. Those are some massive arms and Coples can use them to his advantage. Really good pass rushers begin to use their hands and wingspan to their advantage because it will give offensive lineman fits when under pressure.
With tremendous size, Coples is also getting looks as a 3-4 five tech defensive end. It's difficult when trying to predict where Coples will go in the draft because each defense (4-3, 3-4) will be heavily interested in Coples. Coples would be a dominant 3-4 defensive end if he ended up in Dallas. Having Coples at defensive end will open up plays for the linebackers behind him.
Coples has the size and strength to be a force in the run game. He has the size to anchor and hold up against taking on multiple blockers. Coples can be very dominant and physical if he is all there, which is an issue we will touch on later. So Coples offers you the defense against the run, which your five techs need to do.
But where Coples is really intriguing is as a pass rusher. In the 3-4, you need disruptive ends who can generate some pressure. The problem is, we only have one defensive end who can do this on a regular basis and that is Jason Hatcher. Adding a disruptive force like Coples would just totally benefit this entire defense. Coples can rush the passer with his top notch speed. He can use his strength to generate a bull rush and get into the backfield. His combination of size, strength and speed is what truly makes Coples so interesting. His explosion off the line is one of the best I have seen and he can use his speed to get after the quarterback.
I would envision Quinton Coples as a 8-10 sacks a year type of player and that is just as a 3-4 defensive end. If Coples could really put up those type of numbers, man that would be such an upgrade over what we have now at defensive end. Coples is truly a physical force with the skill set to be a really good player in the NFL.
There is also the possibility that Coples could stand up and play as a 3-4 outside linebacker. This is definitely a possibility, but in my opinion I think Coples may be best off as a defensive end. I do not want to ruin this kid by switching him to another position this early into his career. If we drafted Coples, I want him as a five tech defensive end. Let him use his god given physical talent to his advantage before we even think about moving him to outside linebacker. I do not want to overload him early on his career, because that could lead to a big time bust and just blow up in our face.
Leave the kid at defensive end and let him ball out of control there. If you want to stand him up later in his career, that's fine. But if we drafted Coples at 14, I want to see him as a disruptive five tech because I think he would offer us the most production being there.
Let's take a look at his college production
Stats
- 2011- 55 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 15 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble
- 2010- 59 tackles, 10 sacks, 15.5 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble
- 2009- 22 tackles, 5.0 sacks, 6.5 tackles for loss
- 2008- 8 tackles, 1 sack, 3.5 tackles for loss
Awards
- 2011- First Team All-ACC, Preseason All American, Lombardi Award Candidate, Hendricks Award Candidate
- 2010- First Team All-ACC, Second Team All-American
It's crazy to say a guy had a down year when he had 7.5 sacks and 15 tackles for loss, but Coples did not live up to his big time expectations in his senior season. There are many questions about Coples and his motivation. At times it looks like he quits on plays and just flat out gives up. The character concerns are there and his motor should be much better than what it is.
But Coples was a freak in his junior season. He dominated everyone he faced and racked up 10 sacks. So why the down season in 2011? Some place it on his position change from defensive end to defensive tackle. Some say it's because he didn't want to get hurt and therefore see his draft stock slip. I have watched Coples the last two years and you could tell he wasn't going as hard as he should have been this year.
I watched him quit on plays, especially in his bowl game. Then I watched Coples all week during the Senior Bowl and he flat out dominated every offensive lineman he faced. When the money was on the line, Coples performed at a high level. Now if this kid can just put all the BS behind him when he goes to the NFL, I will have no problem drafting him. If Coples takes the NFL coaching and keeps his motivation up, he will be a dominant NFL player.
The only questions I have about Quinton Coples is his character and motivation. All the physical ability is there and his skill set is top notch stuff. When he goes to the combine later this month, I expect to see him blow it up. In my opinion, Coples is a better prospect than fellow Tarheel, Robert Quinn. Coples is a top ten talent physically, but the character concerns could make him drop to us at 14.
If he falls to us at 14, I will be curious to see if the Cowboys draft him. How high will Coples be on their board? I would LOVE to see the 2012 Dallas Cowboys draft board, I would absolutely have a field day going over that board. If the Cowboys interview Coples, do their homework and like what they hear, then we might see another Tarheel in the Cowboys uniform.
We got an insane value with Bruce Carter last year, maybe we get lucky once again and Quinton Coples falls to us at 14. We need dominant pass rushers and Coples is exactly that. I just love those lean, athletic and muscular pass rushers with long arms. Quinton Coples is growing on me as the draft process plays out and if he passes the interview process, I will definitely be on board with drafting him.
I want a JPP, I want a Aldon Smith, but I would settle for Quinton Coples.
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If he falls to 14 take him
Play him at LDE. He and Rat side by side will do wonders for the rush which will do wonders for the coverage, whoever they add back there.
by DB23 on Feb 11, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I really hope
he falls, but I just don’t think its going to happen. I would take him over DeCastro
by BrickTop on Feb 11, 2012 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
you never know man, you just never know
not many felt that Fairley would fall that far and he did, same for Prince
guys fall on draft day, it happens
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 11, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
We can get a very good guard in round 2. I’d take him over DeCastro as well.
by The Trenches on Feb 12, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent write up Chia
I trust the cowboys scouts more recently with their work evaluating college players intangeables. We typically scout UNC players pretty thoroughly. JJ reportedly had a long talk with Butch Davis at the Senior Bowl and I’m sure Coples name came up. I doubt cowboys take this guy @ 14 unless he checks out clean from motivation/character stand point.
If Coples is there at 14
the Cowboys thank their lucky stars, take him and never look back.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 11, 2012 2:20 PM CST reply actions
Agree OCC
Our pass rush could really use him, especially in our division facing Manning and Vick. Much rather have his “issues” then suspendable problems such as the ones Jenkins has had.
At the end of the day
What this D needs is to get a good steady pass rush with its base DL plus Ware. Coples/Ratliff/Hatcher/Ware could do the trick. Rob Ryan can scheme whatever but when you have to send 5 and 6 all the time to get pressure it’s just asking for big plays against.
by DB23 on Feb 11, 2012 3:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Coples/Ratliff/Hatcher/Ware
+ Spencer / Bulter
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
The problem with Coples in a 3-4 is this. I think he'll crash and burn at DE in the 3-4.
Ok, maybe “crash and burn” is a little too harsh, but the biggest problem he had this season was against double teams. He didn’t have a disruptive player on the other end like he did in 2010 with DPM to help him out. He’s 280 some pounds, but that’s a very, very lean 280 lbs.
He has the frame of a 3-4 OLB, not a DE. Also, I think, when grabbing a really good, pass rushing DE what one really needs is an insane first step. Coples doesn’t have that burst. He’d be a great 4-3 LDE, and he could still be successful at OLB, where he can utilize his bull rush, but he’ll be stonewalled by double teams all day.
If you want a disruptive DE, I’d go with Melvin Ingram, who’s got nasty athleticism of his own, and is surprisingly quick. He has a much thicker base despite being 276 lbs. That’s cause Ingram is 6’2 whereas Coples is 6’6. Ingram has a quick first step, and can probably beat tackles or guards inside. Coples would thrive as the power rushing LDE in a 4-3 scheme, but wouldn’t have the same effect in a 3-4 scheme as a DE
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 11, 2012 3:22 PM CST reply actions
He is a lot bigger and stronger than Jason Pierre-Paul
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Right...and JPP would blow at 3-4 DE
He’s not a LOT bigger either. JPP is 6’5 274lbs.
Coples could succeed at DE, I just think he’d be out of position based on his frame, and his strengths and weaknesses
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 11, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I hope he gets picked before us so we aren’t tempted… which is likely.
"People don't really understand the light that I bring and just kind of shine on my teammates."
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by CaliCowboysFan92 on Feb 11, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
I have to disagree
It’s not unreasonable to think he couldn’t be 285 by the start of the season. As someone pointed out to me in another post, JJ Watt is under 290 and he did pretty well. Besides, with Lissemore and Hatcher rotating with Rat and Coples to keep them fresh, I don’t see Coples getting destroyed. He had his best year playing tackle at UNC.
by The Trenches on Feb 12, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
His weight isn't the problem...its his frame. I watched a lot of UNC games
and the dude just couldn’t handle double teams and hold his ground. He’d be a great penetrator, but that’s only part of the job as a 34 DE
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 12, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
JPP is really 6-4 an 265. The Giants list him bigger than he really is.
If one goes to his college scouting reports this can be seen
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=89738&draftyear=2010&genpos=DE
Coples is an inch taller and 15- 20 lbs heavier.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
I've seen everything from 265-280
all over the internet. At the combine, he weighed in at 6’5 270.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Babin is a very lean 270, so is Cole
both can get to the QB in the NFL
They play
in a 4-3 scheme. It makes a difference.
Chia's reports ought not be limited just to this blog
You won’t find better stuff on SI.COM
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 3:23 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
lol I wish
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
If this guy falls to 14 you absolutely take him
I’m a big fan of trading down in this draft and adding another 2nd round talent, but if Coples is still there I take him and thank the lord that he fell to us. Also, Chia since I see that you’re a Knicks fan, how bout that Jeremy Lin?
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Feb 11, 2012 3:36 PM CST reply actions
loving Jeremy Lin dude
all he does is Lin, all he does is Lin
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Lin is a beast. I forgot how awesome it was to have a legit pg.
He and Tyson Chandler are the best thing to happen this year for the Knicks.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lin is the truth
I’m hoping him and Shump can keep the ball moving and when Melo and Amare suit up they keep the flow cause it’s clearly working.
You Knicks Fans
should be thanking The Mavericks and Roddy Beaubois for Jeremy Lin
If The Mavs didn’t have Roddy asd the PGoF for the Mavs, Lin would still be in Dallas right now….
just so you all know
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 14, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Lets say the Cowboys
Have this offseason
Sign Carl Nicks
Keep Spencer
Robinson
Trade up for Coples
get Chase Minnifield/ Stephon Gilmore in the second round
What happens if the Cowboys play the Packers/ Giants / Patriots ? Which team is better?
Why are the Cowboys not better?
Please do the simulation.
Nicks / Coples/ Gilmore
Makes the Cowboys BETTER than the Packers or Giants. Right now
No rebuilding necessary , no waiting necessary.
Why is this not so?
If you trade up for Coples, you most likely lose your second round pick.
I’d rather stay put at #14, if he’s there and DeCastro is gone pick Coples. Get your corner in the second and trade up into round #2 to get Curry, Irvin, Massaquoi, Jones, Zeitler, or etc., depending on what you do in the first.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
You are not wrong at all. But we might be able use a 3&4 & 5& 6 &7 for a trade up
I would want to preserve the second round selection
But I just want someone to tell me what are the Cowboys like with Nicks/ Coples / Gilmore or Chase Minnifield.
and how they would match up with the Packers.
Coples ins’t better than DeCastro (at least now) and by focusing on him I am violating a draft rule that I believe in ( BPA.)
However he fills a need like no other player. The Cowboys defense would be DRAMATICALLY BETTER with a top notch defensive end. There is all this talk about replacing Spencer cause he is not great when he is better than any defensive end.
As good as DeCastro is it is far easier to find a good guard than a good defensive end.
Anyway I just want someone to go though what the Cowboys would be like with Nicks / Coples and (Stephon Gilmore/ Chase Minnifield.) Cause I think those three would fix Cowboy needs right away,
So with Nicks / Coples / (Gilmore / Minnifield). how do the Cowboys match up with the Packers?
A blog is a great place to go through different scenarios
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Our D is already superior to the Packs. Nicks and DeCastro makes our O the equivalent of the Pack,
Saints, and Pats. The Gmens strength is the front 4 (7 in rotation) of the D.
If we sign Nicks, draft DeCastro, Draft Gilmore, Draft Curry(or Irvin or Massaquoi), and sign Jones from the Titans, we are as good or better than the Gmen and Pack.
If we sign Nicks, trade up to draft Coples, Trade up to get Gilmore, we are not as strong because we lose the third and more picks. We can’t get another OL like Jones, Zeitler, etc. You would need to sign more FAs to make it work, but I don’t think there are enough FAs to do it.
That’s why I hate trades in the first and at times the second. You give up 2 potentially good picks for one player. We suck at trading down. We must stand pat, IMO, in this draft. There are few marquis players, but the draft is deep in the first 3 rounds at our positions of need.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
I don’t think our D is as good as the Packers , Their defense makes more plays than ours does.
As I have said if we don’t get Williams/ Campbell/ Avril/ Jones / or Coples (or Brokers who is too risky ) We aren’t going to get substantially better at defensive end.
But if we get Jones from the Titans the draft you proposed works. Jones is 95% similar to Coples. Coples is slightly bigger and faster and more athletic than Jones but it is very close.
But we need to get better at defensive end or next season is a write off.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
And the Packers offense is better than the Cowboys.
On the other hand, let’s please not use the Giants as reference. They are the luckiest Super Bowl Champion ever. They had a negative scoring differential in the regular season for crying out loud. Don’t aim for the Giants, aim for the Packers and Saints. Those are the two best teams in the NFC.
I think the Packers are better than the Giants ,
I think they are better than the Cowboys on both sides of the ball
The Giants showed the value of a good defensive line and being able to rush.
We need to be able to match them.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
You are
comparing apples and oranges. The Giants run a 4-3 scheme and we run a 3-4. 4-3 DEs are upfield rushers and 3-4 DEs read and react. I too believe we should sign Nicks, Spencer, and Robinson but Nicks and DeCastro is overkill. We need to go secondary with the first pick (Jenkins/Kirkpatrick) and look at maybe the Boise State FS in the second round. Improve our secondary and the whole defense will improve.
There are a lot of interchangable guys . Charles Haley played in both. Bruce Smith could have played in both. Get talented people and we can scheme them in . We ought not be a slave to the 3-4 and 3-4 ends don’t have to be read and react.
Getting talent matters not the 3-4 defense.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
But lets say we can’t get Williams/ Campbell/ Avril/ Jones in F/A
then what?
If the Cowboys go into next season without a very substantial upgrade at defensive end.
Then they are not going anywhere.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 11, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
If Coples falls to say the Jags.....
I would offer Austin in a heartbeat. They need a wr in a bad way. I would then pony up a third also. I would change to a 4-3 and roll with what we have at linebacker. Sign a cb in free agency and draft one in the second. Hope like hell Brandon Taylor is there in the 4th.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Mensa, then we'd have to sign a FA WR. Not sure the Jags would bite because of the
bounty of FA WRs this year.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
There r a ton of wr's this year in free agency.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'd do the trade to Jax: Austin for Coples
Then I go out and try to sign either Colston or Meachum.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 12:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be pretty pissed off if that happend tbh.
by BrickTop on Feb 12, 2012 12:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't
Austin can be replaced in this offense.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 12:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOL bud
He was replaced by Laurent Robinson easily. I’d go for the trade too. Austin for Coples is too easy a choice. I’d trade away our first & 2nd easily. Don’t like the idea of trading up, but dislike the idea of losing out on Coples more than the giving up of picks. Also, trading a 2nd would be easier to accept if it was next year’s 2nd.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 13, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
That would never happen
The Jags would be fools for making the trade. That would be basically saying they are drafting an older WR with a bigger contract. On Dallas’ side, if we made the trade, not only would we have had to sign not only Robinson, but also another veteran FA WR before the draft. Can’t see that happening. Plus, I think JG has visions of 3 WR sets of Dez, Austin and Robinson on the field all at the same time dancing in his head.
by "It's your world, my universe" on Feb 13, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
I would even throw in Ogletree and Dwayne Harris....HEH !
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
The Bucs drafted 2 de's last year....
They just hired Butch Davis. I wonder of they would want to trade one of those de’s and draft Coples. Right now I have them picking Mo Claiborne.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
Love the intro picture at the top
Really fits the title of the story. HaHa
If he's there
They have to take him and I would be walking on air. Then seriously switch to the 4-3 already…this kid could be our Justin Tuck. Line him up all over that dline.
He also hits people almost with an intent to bodily harm.
I love that!!!! We need more of that nastiness. Demarcus is the man but he plays nice too much. I want Eli eating grass. When the other teams hit Tony…they blast him.
Quite the prospect
Some say he is a 4-3 end only. I think if Dallas were to take him they would try him as a 3-4 end, like Calais Campbell. But with people questioning his effort and getting a lot more double teams than in the 4-3, that is probably a bad combo. He just does not seem like a fit for a 3-4.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
good comparison
Coples could be a disruptive five tech like Campbell
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
we also need
to bear in mind that he was supposedly holding back to avoid getting injured like his former teammate ILB Bruce Carter.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
That is not an RKG then
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
by Trueblue122 on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Who are teams double teaming Coples with?
If we are going with a rush of Coples – Rat – Hatcher – Ware, with Ware, Rat AND Coples getting doubled that means 7 guys to stop 4. Hell I’ll take that.
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Excellent post Chia.
I have some extra Coples tidbits for ya’ll.
1) At the Senior Bowl practices, Butch Davis was talking nothing but high praise for Coples, as a leader and as a hard worker. He loves the guy. If a former coach really doesn’t like a player of his, he won’t go out of his way to talk about him at length with only positives. That said a lot to me during his interview on NFLN.
2) When NFL Network asked both Butch Davis and Quinton Coples about his struggles in 2011, they both said the new coaching staff used him differently. When Butch Davis was the HC, Coples played 43 DT. When the new staff came aboard, they switched him over to 43 DE, and it was an adjustment for him. He said it took some getting used to for him.
3) When the players were allowe to take breaks during the SenBowl pracitces, Coples could be seen laughing and having fun with his teammates. When coaches were giving instructions in between drills, he was paying attention (that’s how it looked to me)-I watched NFL Network’s coverage of the practices and was able to pick these things up.
4) The kid is rather humble. One thing that really struck me was the interview he and Melvin Ingram did together. They were both asked who was the better pass rusher. Melvin said it was Coples. Coples, without hesitation, turned around and said it was Ingram. He could have easily said “yeah I’m the best”, but he didn’t, and it sounded genuine. Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t think so here.
5) Reports are Jerry Jones spent some time, a few hours, with Butch Davis at the Senior Bowl, according to reports. I have to believe they weren’t just thinking fondly to the 1990s or gushing about Bruce Carter’s development.
I think the Boys have their sights on Coples in the first round.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 12:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Butch spoke on Coples' athleticism
Apparently Copples used to play basketball.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 12:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
agreed - I saw the same thing - it was because he moved to DT
you saw the same thing from Aldon Smith… he still went top 5 and almost won Rookie of the Year
If both Coples and DeCastro are there at #14
I don’t what the hell I’d do. I might need an extra pair of underwear because that would be a dream scenario.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Take Him or Face Him
Don’t believe it would be good for QC to go to Philly and face him for the next decade.
Who likes that thought? Not me. Dodge that bullet.
Chia I believe you did watch him play because we saw the same things…positives a plenty, along with the on-off motor during this last season. Watching him take plays off through 2011, (and he did some of that), drove my opinion down, and made me question his evaluation somewhat. Then he manhandled every one in his way at the Sr. Bowl. His very unusual ability makes me hope he wears the Star.
Impact players are tough to come by & I believe Couples can be just that. Totally sold.
A Julius Peppers? Wow!
Pull the trigger and draft him if he slips to 14…then celebrate.
by 1Bullseye on Feb 12, 2012 12:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A Julius Peppers
not quite that but still could be a top DE in this league
If you think Coples is special wait till you see this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTkmiBdoBDc
Take Him or Face Him
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 4:46 AM CST up reply actions
Wtf? Watching that video, several thoughts come to mind
1) That’s like watching Michael Oher’s baby brother dominate on defense…Oher beasted big time in high school.
2) Man, that’s not even fair. It really is like watching a man amongst boys.
3) He’s playing a different game than all those kids.
4) If I’m the QB I’d start taking a knee the moment I see him blow past the Oline.
5) When is he draft eligible?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 5:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
2014
He is the chosen one
He will be the first person in NFL History to get 28 sacks in a season.
He is as good as Lawrence Taylor.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 5:07 AM CST up reply actions
I want this kid on Dallas
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 5:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would rather have him than Andrew Luck and it is worth a Herschel Walker price to get him. 3 number ones 3 number twos and three number threes . It is worth it.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 5:09 AM CST up reply actions
If he becomes a NY Giant I will cry
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 5:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Cowboys traded up for Tony Dorsett.
Lawrence Taylor was worth every player the Cowboys drafted from
1981 -1987
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 5:22 AM CST up reply actions
Can you mail his videos to Valley Ranch please?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 5:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This Clowney kid is a Weapon of Mass Destruction
From his wikipedia page:
“For the 2010 season, Clowney had 162 tackles, 29.5 sacks, 29 tackles for loss, 11 forced fumbles, 6 fumbles recoveries, 43 quarterback pressures and five defensive touchdowns”—-Those were numbers he put up his final season of high school!!!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 5:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Those goals include starring for a major college and enjoying a long and successful NFL career. The 6-foot-6, 240-pound Clowney has all the measureables – a 4.48-second 40-yard dash time and a 36-inch vertical jump. He also can power-clean 300 pounds.
http://rise.espn.go.com/football/articles/2010/08/25-Jadeveon-Clowney-kickoff.aspx
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 5:15 AM CST up reply actions
are we sure he was genetically engineered
this kid is a freaking beast
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 5:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
are we sure he wasn't genetically engineered?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 5:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
oh yeah I watched him
then he goes to the Senior Bowl and dominates, so its hard not to ignore him
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Take Coples at 14 if he drops
He is the same size as JJ Watt with better foot speed and more lean. The problem is the motor. I think he was just keeping himself healthy during his senior year. Watch the video of Coples lined up at DT! Guards were on skates the whole time…pressure from JJ Watt is the reason that Brooks Reed had so much success.
A Coples/FA NT/Ratliff three man front would be a dream.
Plus, I’m in favor of switching to a 4-3 after next season. So we can just keep a DE in our pocket! After all that said…I doubt he makes it to 14
That DT video worries me a tad
Countless times the running back runs right past him and except for a lone exception, he always fails to disengage and make a tackle.
I agree that he is a physical specimen, but if you talk about playing him either at 5-Tech or OLB, that to me means that he is a 4-3 DE who would be out of position if you moved him in or out.
On the other hand, with teams using three receivers a lot, your nickel defense almost becomes your base defense and in that he’d be a 4-3 DE, with Ware on the other side and Ratliff/Hatcher inside.
Charles Haley was successful at LB for the 49ers. If you got someone like him or Mario Williams you can scheme them in. I don’t think we have to just adhere to the 3-4 defense.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 11:43 AM CST reply actions
Great post Chia
If Ingram, Couples & Decastro are there at 14 who do you take? I have been leaning to Decastro but not sure anymore. Please keep these great breakdowns coming.
by MSM33 on Feb 12, 2012 12:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
probably DeCastro
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Love all the work
you put into these posts Chia. I’d be all for bringing Coples in. If we can grab him or DeCastro in the first, I’ll be a happy camper!
thanks
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 12, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
quinton coples is a beast bu the last thing you want is a player with questionable motor an passion for the game
quinton coples is a beast bu the last thing you want is a player with questionable motor an passion for the game
there is something to be said for this.
Remember Andre Bruce (who played like a 3rd or fourth round choice even though he was number one overall ) or worse Vernon Gholston.
DeCastro versus Coples is like playing Brewster’s Millions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctCSSj_Lfqc
He had a opt out clause for a million dollars. Which is like 2 million or more today.
If you win with Coples it could be like 300 million or you could end of with nothing.
DeCastro is like 2 million dollars in the bank no risk . Plug and and pro bowl and forget about him.
Given the choice between a million or the chance of 300 million or nothing I would just take the million. Because you could really end up with nothing.
I still would be very happy with Coples though.
I do think if we don’t get Coples , Then we need to get one of the top defensive ends in free agency though , it won’t be cheap but it is what we NEED to do.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 12, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not saying i wouldn't pick him, i just don't know
it’s something worthy of a hundred of minutes before making a final decision
I see this as ............
Coples will either be a D. Ware clone or an Albert Haynesworth bust.
I like to think that we are a few good players away from a 10 – 6 season and we can’t afford a first round bust.
I don’t think it really matters because he will be gone by the time 14 rolls around and some one will have a pro bowler or a bad bust on thier hands.
He will probably blow the combine away but lots of workout warriors show well there but not good on the field.
BPA or if someone wants to over spend to move up take the money and run.
by TCB Orange Dino on Feb 12, 2012 4:36 PM CST reply actions
if the Cowboys drafted Coples and hit on him the Cowboys could be 12-4 if they were to get a guard and CB
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
don't want Coples
don’t want DeCastro
I want Hightower
and an extra pick in the 2nd or 3 rd
"Do you want to be safe and good, or do you want to take a chance and be great?"
Get me Eugine Tackleberry, is he available?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 13, 2012 12:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He died.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
I know, I saw
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I really wouldnt mind Hightower either
looks like that thumper we could use at LB
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 13, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
I think Quinton Coples is an interesting Cowboys option
If you believe that the lack of pass rush success is due to the defensive end position, I think Coples could be a solution. He knows how to rush the passer and coming out of college at 285lbs I could see him as a 295lb 3-4 DE.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM CST reply actions
I'm looking at the cut ups, I don't see a impact player here
He made less then a hand full of plays
Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares
"I watched him quit on plays, especially in his bowl game."
“There are many questions about Coples and his motivation. At times it looks like he quits on plays and just flat out gives up. The character concerns are there and his motor should be much better than what it is.”
And some want to move up for this? WTF? Deploy the Nancy Reagan doctrine and just say no.
PS
that picture reminds me of Tellus Bennett aka Captain Crunch. That is disqualifier enough right there.
what really scares me is we dont know what Coples thinks about playing 5-tech
I bet that will be the most important question Garrett will ask him in interview… if he is willing to accept switch to 5-tech….
because if I am star 7-tech, switch to 5-tech is not intriguing to me at all
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!

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