Garrett the next Jimmy Johnson...child please!
When I read the title of Tom’s latest Kool Aid musing comparing Jason Garrett to Jimmy Johnson, I nearly spit coffee all over my computer screen. I was so floored by Tom’s fantasy laden article that I had to respond with more than a simple comment. Tom is 100% correct when he says his article is pure opinion, albeit an opinion with little supporting evidence. So let me take a moment and provide numbers and actual analysis about why it is way off base attempting to compare Jason Garrett to Jimmy Johnson.
Let’s evaluate 3 key areas of coaching: game planning and production, leadership, and talent evaluation.
Let’s start with the fact that Jason Garrett has failed to prove he is anything more than an average offensive coordinator, much less a great head coach. Let me point out a reality that is often overlooked. Since Tony Sparano left Dallas in 2008 to coach Miami and Garrett took 100% control of the offense, the Cowboys offense has been middle of the pack. While Garrett led offenses have put up nice yardage totals each season under his control, what matters in the NFL is scoring. Let’s look at how the Cowboys ranked in Points Scored to prove my point: 2008-18th, 2009-14th, 2010-7th, and 2011-15th for an average ranking of 14th in the NFL under Garrett’s leadership. Not only has the Cowboys offense been average in scoring under Garrett, the hallmarks of his offenses have been horrible red zone play calling and execution, mental errors, turnovers, and the inability to make big plays in the clutch.
There is nothing to suggest that Garrett is an effective leader. Anyone who works in the business world knows that the best leaders are rarely the “smartest guy in the room.” The best leaders have a quality that goes way beyond pure intelligence, and a core part of that quality is the ability to inspire others and get the best of people. The best leaders surround themselves with smart people and use their leadership skills to maximize the talent around them. Does anyone here think Garrett got the most out of last year’s team? To the contrary, in the biggest games with the most on the line last year’s team folded under Garrett’s leadership and won only 1 game against a team over .500. Garrett’s robotic, emotionless style did nothing to inspire anything resembling fight or toughness in last year’s team. Quite the opposite, when things got tough late in key games the Cowboys seemed turtle up and cower from the fight.
Lastly, let’s look at Garrett’s ability to evaluate and acquire talent. I’ll give Garrett credit for his role in a better than average draft last season. However, if you subscribe to the theory that Garrett had his fingerprints all over last year’s team, then Garrett is also responsible for signing off on the idea that Phil Costa could be an NFL starter at center…a move that had dramatic negative consequences for the team’s offensive performance. Garrett also failed to bring in any playmakers on a defensive line and secondary that allowed the likes of Rex Grossman to look like the second coming of Joe Montana. If we are to believe that Garrett is somehow more involved than past Jerry Jones puppets in shaping the team's personnel, looking at how poorly the Cowboys graded out in upgrading the team's talent level via free agency, it's extremely hard to say Garrett is anything special when it comes to evaluating and acquiring talent.
I’m like Tom in that I hope Garrett turns out to be a great coach. We all dream that Garrett turns about be a legendary coach in the mold of Jimmy Johnson. However, based on the body of work available for evaluation, there is little evidence to suggest Garrett is anything special and a fair amount of evidence that illustrates Garrett has a long way to go before we see him hoisting the Lombardy Trophy.
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Fantastic post
U took the words right out of my mouth. Garrett is strange to me sometimes, seems smart, but sometimes his decisions on and off the field just don’t make sense.
Child Please
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 6:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No way in blue hell is Garrett like Jimmy....
Jimmy had bravado and instilled confidence in his team. Uh Garrett not so much. You are 100% correct about Sparano helping Garrett. I tell people that and they look at me like I’m crazy. Facts speak for themselves. Garrett has shown nothing as far as being a great head coach. Maybe his influence helped in drafting. Maybe not.
Talent wise you can’t put that on Garrett. Jerry is so stupid when it comes to building a team he lets entire position groups go bare before he restocks them. Jerry deserves the mediocrity his team has shown. He built it. He focused on line backers and wr’s and did nothing to augment the team in free agency. Now Dallas is in a postion where they have to draft multiple db’s. Still need o linemen and what about the d line ? What has Jerry done to restock that group.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 4:57 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
What the hell has Sporano done in his tenure in Miami?
As soon as the league caught up to the gimmic wild cat offense and made them play legitimate football down in Miami, they realised they screwed themselves by never developing Chad Henne because they spent three seasons practicing a gimmic offense and wasted a full season thinking Pat White was the man. I love how that blew up in their faces.
Sporano wasn’t the reason this offense was really good in 2007. It was the offensive line playing above its head until the Philadelphia Eagles came into town and showed the league how to beat them: stunts, twists, inside blitzing, forcing Romo to stay in the pocket like a sitting duck.
Don’t forget the offense started 2008 strong, only after Romo went down for 3 weeks, Kosier went on IR, Austin went on IR, Felix went on IR, Adams and Holland were also battling injuries that season. It was a season that started with promise and ended badly.
2009 Barber was a shell of himself; the line was on life support; the offensive woes weren’t because of playcalling but because of oline.
The oline play has gotten worse each season, although now it’s younger and should be much better in 2012. But what do I know, I’m not a Jason Garrett hater.
I can’t wait for the day this team shuts up all these troll haters who want Garrett gone, want a new QB because they think Romo sucks, etc. Once this team shuts them up, they’ll probably bitch and whine about not beating teams by 30 every game.
I wonder how some you would’ve tried to run Jerry, Jimmy and Aikman out of town in 1989 and 1990 when this team was 8-24.
Ok my all over the place rebuttal is finished.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 5:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I didn't say anything about Sparano other than point out that since he left
Garrett led offenses have been average in the most important stastical area…scoring. You make fair points about reasons the offense has been up and down. I’m not hating on Garrett, just making points about his lack of success as a coordinator and possible issues with his style of leadership. Rohpuri, were you impressed with how the team played and the heart/fire they showed in critical games last season?
by jerry_jones_killed_our_cowboys on Feb 11, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
The team never quit unlike the Wade Phillips teams from 2008-2010
Maybe the result isn’t what they wanted but they faught till the last whistle. A play here and a play there and we have a different season. No use crying over spilt milk. Jason Garrett sure as hell isn’t.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 6:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I never got the impression that the Cowboys gave up or didn't try
they just had lack of talent in certain places. They mailed it in at times under Wade. JG’s hasn’t even had an offseason yet with his team. I think he needs some slack and a few years before we drive him out of town.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
Who the hell was Sparano's qb's in Miami ?
Henne and an old Jet’s qb and then Matt Moore. When Moore was inserted they actually played darn well. He didn’t begin the season at the starter.
Who are the troll haters ? We all want Garrett to do good but what did he prove this year ? Maybe he becomes great. Then again maybe not. We have to wait and see. I wasn’t impressed by him this year.
Ro all those thing you listed about injuries don’t wash with me. Packers had 17 or 18 players on injured reserve last season. The Gmen did have 18 players on ir this year. Those are excuses and I am tired of them. There is always an excuse why Dallas fails. Why can’t Dallas overcome ? Why can’t Dallas just plunge forward ? Why can’t Dallas ever get on a roll ? Why can’t Dallas get hot at the right time ? Excuses.
This team hasn’t shut anyone up since the 90’s. They have been colossal fails in their biggest games. Of course you can always subscribe to the Wade theiry when they lost to the Giants….“it was like we won a playoff game” LOL. Cmon brah even you had to laugh when he said that.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 5:44 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I hadn't even noticed you commented
After reading it I just clicked on add comment
1) I was pissed when Wade said bye weeks are like playoff wins, just like a punt being as good as a turnover.
2) Dallas got hot at the end of 2009. They just ran into a buzzsaw at Minnesotta. I believe if you play that game 10 times, a blowout onlg occurs twice: one blowout for each team. The Vikings tailwhipped the Cowboys oline, and shredded the pass defense. How was anything that happened in that game Garrett’s fault?
3) Are we going to pin the 2007 playoff game on Garrett when Owens and Crayton dropped game winning TD passes on consecutive drives? They were wide open drops if my memory serves correct. Where was Sporano coaching up the oline in the second half of that game? Oh yeah, I forgot he already had 1 foot out the door to Miami to join Obese Bill.
3) The Cowboys are in the playoffs in 2008 if Wade and Brad Stewart’s overrated defense doesn’t allow the Ravens to run wild all over them, or if the team being QB’d by Brad Johnson doesn’t crap the bed in St Louis. I guess that Jason Garrett’s fault. No maybe it’s Jerry Jones’ fault for those losses right?
4) Maybe you weren’t impressed with Garrett this year, but where you impressed with Jimmy after 1990? Jimmy Johnson wasn’t a great HC in Dallas until he was able to bring Wandstadt and Norv aboard. Garrett finally has the coaching staff he wants. He’ll have his first full and real offseason with otas and minni camps to run. I know we all hate this but we have to give it time. He has to purge the Wade Phillips and Dave Campo stench from this team before it can finally become his.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 6:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Some of it, yes....
Are we going to pin the 2007 playoff game on Garrett
….and here’s why. They overworked Barber. It was stupid to start him in the first place. He was never a workhorse back and he had no gas in the tank after halftime. Yet they still didn’t use Julius like they should have.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Um correct me if I'm wrong
But wasn’t Sporano in charge of the running game?
Don’t he and Skip Peete get any blame or not using Julius Jones more?
Wasn’t Julius Jones falling out of favor in the offense by the end of the season?
Hadn’t Barber earned the right to get more carries over Julius as the season played out?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 6:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Barber sucked. He was a situational guy and was wrongly given the starting spot.
Too many fell in love with Barber. He was never a full time back.His style wasn’t conducive to being the man. The whole coaching staff shares in the blame for that game. I have said before how I loathe Crayton. I will never forgive that puke.
Fact is Garrett’s best year came with Sparano’s help.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
2007 RB stats
Marian Barber III: 204 carries, 975 yards, 4.8 ypc, 10 TDs; 44 receptions, 282 yards, 2 TDs.
Julius Jones: 164 carries, 588 yards, 3.8 ypc, 2 TDs; 23 receptions, 203 yards.
Um, pardon me but who sucked in 2007? And btw, Wade Phillips and the rest of the coaches rode with a committee approach all season long. It seems to me the team went with the better player in the playoff game.
As far as saying Barber tired out. That’s actually not true. The Giants made an adjustment at halftime to take away the running game. They crowded the line of scrimmage forcing the Cowboys to become a one dimensional offense-that’s what the Eagles did to them in the rematch in December. The Giants followed that script in the second half.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 11:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Typical Wade fail.
Use a committee the whole year which is how they got to the playoffs only to change it for that game. He did the same thing in Buffalo switching qb’s in the playoff game.
SO let’s run with your theory the Gmen crowded the line. They made adjustments. Did Garrett make adjustments ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
I see your still at it with your clueless posts. Keep it up.
They are least comical to read.
by TheCowboyFan on Feb 12, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah he did, he called more pass plays
Unfortunately Sporano’s men couldn’t hold up in protection. Romo was running for his life in the second half. And when he was able to find guys, his receivers let him down.
There were other plays where: Romo had to either eat the ball or throw it away, the ball was simply batted away, or he had to scramble.
Here are the play calling splits for the Cowboys:
1) First Quarter-7 runs, 5 passes
2) Second Quarter-13 runs (1 scramble, 1 kneel), 9 passes
3) Third Quarter-9 runs (1 scramble), 8 passes
4) Fourth Quarter-4 runs, 14 passes (2 sacks)
There were at least 4 different TD passes in the second half that were either dropped by Cowboy receivers, knocked out of the hands by Giants defenders, or the Giants just picked off:
1) Fasano had a TD pass knocked away at the goal line on the first possession of 3rd quarter-drive ended up in a FG.
2) Owens on the second to last drive dropped a TD at the goal line.
3) Crayton dropped a TD pass on the second to last play (for Dallas) in the 4th.
4) Terry Glenn lets the last pass of the game get picked off-he was open down the middle of the endzone, and RW McQuarters just steps in front of him for the INT at the end of the game.
Maybe the reason T.O. was crying at the end of the game is cause he knew he and his band of idiots cost the Cowboys the game in the 4th quarter. Romo called up the three divas’ numbers and they failed him.
The Cowboys strategy of shortening the game was working until Leonard Davis got a stupid unneccessary roughness penalty on the Cowboys last drive of the 3rd Quarter. Dallas had to punt from their own 17, The Giants returned the ball into Dallas territory. Although the Cowboys were up 17-14 at the end of the 3rd quarter. The Giants went 6 plays (3 in the third, 3 in the fourth) and erased the lead for good when Jacobs scored. After that drive, NY never looked back up 21-17.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
ALways an excuse huh Ro.
Never have the gumption to overcome or move forward in the face of adversity.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever dude
Fine have it your way, Jason should be fired, Tony should be traded, and Jerry should just sell the team. All our problems would be over with if these 3 stooges were gone, am I right?
If Romo doesn’t go to Cabo, we’d have 3 SBs by now. He’d know how to overcome his team screwing up around him as is the case year after year. He’d have made sure the gutless quartett of Fasano, Owens, Crayton, and Glenn found a way to catch his passes in the endzone. He’d have found a way to prevent 44-6 from happening. He sure as hell would have prevented his defense and oline from quitting in the face of adversity against the Vikings in the 2009 playoffs. In 2010, He would’ve found a way to make sure Alex Barron doesn’t hold on his game winning TD pass at Washington or prevent Witten from having two passes bounce off his chest for Chicago INTs, or found a way to prevent the special teams and defense from collapsing against Tennessee, or better yet he should’ve sucked it up in the face of adversity and made sure Gronkowski doesn’t miss on the block that ended his season?
As for Garrett what doe he know? He was just the Triplet’s lap dog who went along for the ride in 2 SBs. He doesn’t know how to coach or put a team together. Fire his ass! He had his best year as a play caller because a Parcells lacky was running the oline.
Btw, How’d that blind man fare in Miami? Oh we make excuses for him because Parcells and Ireland put a garbage team on the field. Shouldn’t Sporano have had gumption to move forward in the face of adversity-blowing big games in the final 3 years to the Jets and Patriots. What gumption did Sporano show once the league solved his silly little Wild Cat?The only reason he got to coach last year is Harbaugh turned them down, with good measure. Watch him fail in NY as a play caller.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe, just maybe
Sporano road the coattails of Romo and Garrett to get a job that was never qualified to have.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whatever ? You're better than that.
Who is better, Romo or insert name of any Fin qb ?
How many pro bowlers were on the team that lost to the Giants ? Yet they couldn’t move forward. They choked.
I don’t want to fire Garrett. However he isn’t a good coach right now. I won’t lie to myself.
I think Romo gets unfairly criticized. His Cabo trip though was bad judgement. And that seems to be the point. It’s always something.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Why should Garrett and Romo
take the blame for the oline and anti clutch plays the receivers made?
Should Garrett and Romo take the blame for Adams, Gurode, and Davis not showing up and doing their jobs in pass protection? Oh I forgot, the OC and QB take the blame when the oline screws up. Sporano gets a pass for not adjusting his protection schemes once Philly and Detroit figured it out in December.
Ken Hamlin, Terence Newman, and Roy Williams made the pro bowl, how come they couldn’t force any turnovers by the Giants? Must be Garrett and Romo’s fault.
DeMarcus Ware made the pro bowl, how come he only got one sack on Eli? Talk about showing up in a big game. Wait, it’s Romo and Garrett’s fault.
Where was Greg Ellis to be found in that game, did he even get a tackle? Must be Romo and Garrett’s fault.
There needs to be fan post, “Things to blame Tony Romo and Jason Garrett for.” I’ll get it started:
1) The housing bubble collapse-Blame Romo and Garrett!
2) Wallstreet’s meltdown in 2008-Blame Romo and Garrett!
3) George W. Bush lead us into Iraq on false pretenses-Blame Romo and Garrett!
4) Hurricane Katrina-Blame Romo and Garrett!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 2:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow you blame Garrett and Romo for a lot of stuff.....
It’s cold today in H town. I wonder if it’s Romo’s or Garrett’s fault ? Who would you blame ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Did I just see the Pro Bowl argument again?
Your telling me who wins a popularity contest is what your basing part of your argument on?
Yup, he resorted to the Pro Bowl argument
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
blind= as in blindly following Parcells while in Miami
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah i remember that game, barber was destroying giants until aaron ross
started to tackling him in the knees, smart move by ross, at that time i thought he was going to be a good player
1990 Dallas had the worst talent in the nfl..........
on defense. They had Irvin and Walker on offense…….look at what Garrett has on offense. The Brad Johnson game….well yes that’s on Garrett because Garrett is the one who pined for Brad Johnson. Garrett deserved what he got. Just like Garrett deserves the sub par productioh he has recieved from Felix. IF IF. Dallas choked in the game vs Ravens.
Still what about the excuses ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
We didn't lose the Rams game because of Brad Johnson
Where was the defense, Wade and Brad Stewart should share 2/3 of the blame as their defense got taken to the woodshed by one of the worst teams in the league.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 6:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
mensa, I like you bud but please deal in facts and be real on who the 1990 Cowboys had
Aikman, Smith, Moose Johnson, Irvin, Martin, Novacek, Gogan, Newton, Stepnoski, Tuinie, Jeffcoat, Noonan, Stubs, Tolbert, Del Rio, Norton Jr, Bates, Lockhart
They had a lot of talent on that team that we compare everyone player today to. Even with this much talent, it still takes time to get them playing as a team at a high level.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Feb 11, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you Birddog
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 11:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i like how people hush when they have knowledge thrown at them
by knowledgeable people..
by kitten mittens on Feb 12, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Noonan, Lockhart , Stubbs were all
horrible. Lockhart was just the best of a bad lot. Norton hadn’t developed yet. Wannstadt coached him up. Bates was a special teams demon he was never a great safety. He would lay the wood but he didn’t have the speed to be a starter. Del Rio was meh , Jimmy couldn’t wait to replace him with some speed. Tolbert was a good player in the making.
Db’s in 90….Ron Francis >serviceable
Kenny Gant > nickel back
Manny Hendrix > who ?
Ray Horton > better coach than player
Stan Smagala > lol
James Washington > better than any safety we have had here in a while
Robert Williams > meh
On a scale of 1-10 thats about 3.5 compared to our 1.5 right now.
In 91 Dallas got Maryland , Leon Lett , Dixon Edwards and Godfrey Myles. The traded for Tony Casillas also in 91. . In 92 they drafted Kevin Smith , Darren Woodson, Clayton Holmes. That was also the year Hennings became eligible.
There’s your facts, sport. See the difference ?
I am with you on the o line. Everyone thinks JImmy rebilt that o line. Not true at all. JImmy added Erik Williams and Stepnoski.. It’s a great way to win 10 dollar bets.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
My point is, if you look at the 90 team and the Boys this last season
You see just how similar they are and just how simlar the coaching situation is.
1990 needs – Couple of more pieces on the Oline, Build a better Dline with pass rush, Upgrade the secondary
2011 needs- Couple of more pieces on the Oline, Build a better Dline with pass rush, Upgrade the secondary
Both coaches were under a mountain of scrutiny from fans and the media, At this point in their NFL careers Jimmy had 8 more games on Garrett. I would say Garrett had a major hand in our 2010 draft so both had 2 drafts to their credit. Garrett is at the same point with 8 less games and no offseason, but he seems to be building using the same blueprint as Jimmy did. I am not saying he is the next Jimmy but Jimmy did play a big role in his career and development that led him to become a coach.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
One fact you left out
At the end of the 1990 season, 2 HOF’s and the corner stones players of our 3 Super Bowls were being called draft busts by fans and media at the time. You are judging everything in hindsight and not even considering the view of the team at the time, which is the same as they are being viewed today.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Aikman was just getting started. The o line had not played well his first two years.
Step helped but it was Williams that put them over the top. The 11 sack game and yes you heard how Aikman sucked.
Irvin was unfairly judged. Jimmy Johnson once said that Troy made irvin a great player. I know what he meant by that. Too bad people didn’t know Irvin’s work ethic.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
It took Jimmy firing Mike Shula and hiring Norv Turner
to get the best out of Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt Smith.
That of course didn’t start to happen until 1991.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 2:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
really
Did you just say “child please” . We should establish a mandate for posting on this hallowed site, that there be no “child please” posts anywhere.
And for the record, Jerry Jones has earned 3 super bowls for our Beloved Dallas Cowboys.
Tongue firmly planted in cheek when using that phrase Gogo.
by jerry_jones_killed_our_cowboys on Feb 11, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
firmly planted somewhere
To me, I am excited about the future of our cowboys under the direction of JG. There are more positives that he has accomplished the last year and a half . I believe we are headed in the right direction. He speaks of process, and backs it up with tough decisions based on the future. We have had 1 good draft, with another coming soon. This free agency and draft is going to set the tone of what this process is.
He’s also made some mistakes with his clock management and his lack of proper utilization of time outs,lol. But he’s going to learn, the process is from top of this.franchise to the bottom.
I am excited to see where we are sitting on the 1st of May, after free agency and the draft. I think we are going to be sitting in a good spot, and a lot of things are going to be better this year.
I don’t drink kool aid ,too much sugar, but I do believe in Garrett, he’s played in this league, and he’s been led by some great coaches. And the players are bought in, as is the owner. Good times are coming ,believe that
An exchange between Rocky and Bullwinkle
Rocky and Bullwinkle are on a speeding, out-of-control train that is about to crash:
Rocky: What’ll we do now, Bullwinkle?
Bullwinkle: I’ll think of something.
Rocky: Uh, Bullwinkle, I don’t think we have that long.
By the time Garrett figures out how to be head coach, Tony Romo will be long gone and our chances of winning of a Super Bowl will be down the drain.
But we can always delude ourselves dream.
im rocky
I believe in the process, you do not. Good, we are on two different sides of the fence. I like my side, I have fun over here ,and there’s sunshine and koolaid here. I envision your side with storm clouds and driving rain. Dark and miserable. You always have a place over here. I believe in the process
Ditto. Reality is...
… the Future hasn’t happened yet. So not knowing what to believe about facts that haven’t come to be, “We’ll see” and hope it continues to be surprising lacking Certainty unpredictable enough to keep it interesting to have hung around for. For better or worse, till Death…
Not a big fan of ennui.
Romo, Garrett, Jerry and on and on… – all will pass to Past. In whatever fashion.
And there’s not a damned thing any of us can do about it, boos or cheers. So here’s to booze with cheers sans jeers. L’chaim.
That’s reality. Or, at least, Life.
That's one small step...
by tanstaafl on Feb 12, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL
And for the record, Jerry Jones has earned 3 super bowls for our Beloved Dallas Cowboys.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I don't see how, from the outside, you can gauge the leadership qualities of Jason Garrett.
Regarding your “smartest guy in the room” comment, since when was it a negative to be intelligent?
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr
You're right, he is not Jimmy, no one can be.
He can be better. If Jerry lets him do his own thing, hire his own coaches, making sure he he gets the players that he wants. The sky is the limit with Garrett.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
This is just another one of your attacks on Tom
Not sure what you have against him but you seem to look at anything he writes in a negative light.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
BDog, I have nothing against Tom. I don't even know him. I'm just stirring the pot.
However, I really do think it is way out of place to suggest at this point that Garrett could be the next Jimmy Johnson. And I do get frustrated that it seems like heresy on this site to point out problems with this team and focus on what I perceive as major organizational/foundational issues with this team. It burns me to the core to see the great Cowboy franchise mired in mediocrity. I’m not saying let’s all just bash the organization, but let’s be honest about the warts and shortcomings that we all know are there. In short, a shot of reality in your Kool Aid might not be a bad thing.
by jerry_jones_killed_our_cowboys on Feb 11, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
There are many on this blog who just refuse to call a spade , a spade....
but let’s be honest about the warts and shortcomings that we all know are there
Jerry has had more than enough time to build a true contender. He hasn’t. He doesn’t understand the fundementals of building a team. Look no further than the o line and d line. He didn’t do anything to make them stronger. Again when you think your team is so good you can have a special teams draft you know the gm is a clown.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 11, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
The reason so many refuse to call a spade a spade
Is because they probably are employed by the Cowboys organization to paint a rosy picture and attack anyone who does not toe the party line. It’s called shilling, and it’s common as hell on the internet.
It’s also illegal. Anyone caught in these activities gets what they deserve.
ha
What are they gonna get kindablue, u really think that the jerry Jones has his employees on here painting rosy pics.HA. its the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard. I’m a cowboys fan ,bruh, and like you have your opinions, I have mine. I don’t see doom and gloom, I see the positives . You go your way, ill go mine, and when we are way improved next year ,ill be cheering with all the cowboys fans, even the ones that were all bent out if shape in the offseason.
Mr. Jerry Jones,
It has come to my attention that there is possibly some belief that I am a paid employee shilling for the Dallas Cowboys in the blogosphere.
Since this opinion has arisen, perhaps I am doing a job that you would find valuable. I would like to submit my body of work at BlogginTheBoys.com for your consideration.
I am not cheap, but I can be had for the right price. Considerably cheaper than that Roy Willie fellow, I might add.
Call me. Baby does need a new pair of shoes.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Tom, I just noticed the above statement in your comment. I have to disagree with you again on the topic of Garrett:
- confused as to when to call timeouts
- calls timeouts late, wasting precious seconds (e.g. Arizona and Giants games)
- repeated clock management issues (not one isolated incident that could be overlooked)
- too aggressive with large leads
- not aggressive enough when required (e.g. Arizona and New England during the last drives)
- confusion as to whether he is running out the clock or trying to score (end of 1st half vs. Buffalo)
- player running out of bounds to end the game when behind (Felix Jones)
- player calls timeout when no more timeouts left
- iced his own kicker / confusion with special teams coaches
- owners screaming from the box to call timeout (Giants game at Cowboys stadium)
That’s not “Order”. Are you just trying to stir the pot again, or do you really believe this? Should be: “Lord of not knowing what to do” or “Lord of confusion”.
(btw, I hope he can learn what to do, and that his Process kicks in while we still have Romo.)
by NorthStar99 on Feb 12, 2012 2:32 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No such thing as icing a kicker.
Pure BS. A kicker has to kick the ball through the uprights…period.
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
Whatever you want to call it
Confusion with special teams coaches.
it was a 50/50 kick
He kicked it twice and made 1. Its just a shame the one he made didn’t count.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I deal in the reality of the NFL everyday.
I know what has made the team I work for succesfull and have had an inside look at the changes the Cowboys have made over the last 2 years and know they are on the right track. I also know the reality in the NFL is that you cannot just flip a light switch and make everything all good. It does take time and commitment. I have seen over the last couple of years a change in the philosophy with management and Jerry Jones to change the model they had used and not been succesful with.
Now you can hang on to the past and attack anyone who has a positive outlook on the Cowboys, or step back and take an honest look at the orginization from top to bottom and see the changes they have made.
While I do not have exact numbers from the Cowboys I do know that in the last 2 years they have almost tripled the sie of the scouting department, adding position and verfication scouts on contract and installed a fulltime Resarch and Analytics staff. They have added a fulltime staff under Stephen Jones that does nothing but manage the cap and contracts and lay out longterm planning for the Cowboys.
I see a team that has changed and has a very bright future and that opinion is based on facts.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Feb 11, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 17 recs
thisn
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 11:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Birddog's post needs to be green
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 11:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its awesome when you can comment like this!
BtB best site EVER!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Can't flip a light switch
Unless you’re Jim Harbaugh. Or Sean Payton. Or Bill Belichick. Or Joe Gibbs. Or Vince Lombardi. Funny how the switch seems to work better when coach is actually…good.
If your inside information is so precious, can you explain how you made the most god-awful prediction of the 2011 season, a 52-3 victory over Washington?
All coaches in the same boat as Garrett right now.
Preparing for free agency and the draft. Second place is no better than 32nd at this point.
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
BS
You are saying that Harbaugh, Payton, Belichick, Gibbs, & Lombardi could just flip a switch and make everything all good. I’m saying that in the case of Harbaugh, Payton, & Belichick, they were sitting at home along with every other coach, watching the Super Bowl. Flip all the switches you want, they are still 0-0 now and need a new light bulb come July.
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
Sorry, except Belichick.
But he certainly didn’t just flip a switch.
"If you are prepared, you will be confident, and will do the job." Tom Landry
"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
Huh?
You’re changing the subject. The claim was made that you can’t turn around a team overnight, using the analogy of “flipping a switch”, and that we need to be patient.
Except that one can find any number of examples of great coaches who spun their sad-sack organization around on a dime, and went on to win Super Bowls. In fact, the general pattern of Super Bowl-winning coaches is that the win quickly.
Ergo, that “be patient” argument is fraudulent.
Ergo, saying that Sean Payton was sitting at home watching Super Bowl XLVI is immaterial to the discussion.
And you can tone down your language. Calling a factually relevant point cow dung only underlines your ignorance.
You need to calm down.
Calling someone out predicting something unpredictable vs knowing the process and changes.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
There is a better way you could have made your argument...
See what jerry_jones_killed posted down below. There is no direct correlation between the size of your scouting department and the quality of your personnel. If there is, Birddog hasn’t proven it.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
by LDVFootball on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
As I explained at the time it was a joke
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
No you didn't
There was never a joke mentioned anywhere in your post. Sorry, but you’re lying. Which hurts your credibility even more.
If you read my comments I explained I did it for fun.
And you want to call me a liar and call my credibility into question? What else do you want to say to to me in an open forum?
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
No you didn't
I read your comments, and you’re not telling the truth. In plain English, that’s lying.
Then you must have a problem with reading along with what apprears to be some emtional issues also
In the comments I said this
<"I went at this post with the idea of getting our fans excited about this game while having some fun. Now from a fan perceptive I put up a final score that was big. Most will look at the total predictions as over the top and yes it is with my final score. This year if you take out Greenbay and San Fran, we are only 2 games from being in the top teams in the NFL.
That being said, my final score is out there, but we just hung up 44 points on a good Bills team. They were no slackers. Outside of that if you take a look at my individual predictions outside of the final score, most will say any one could come true. Now my prediction for Walker of 1 int and 1 fight, I think will happen. That is a whole fanpost of why I think it will.
I have heard talk that this is a trap game. I see it like this. I feel the game against the Hawks was a need to win if we wanted to stay in the hunt for the playoffs. The Bills was a must win if we wanted to be taken serious. The next three games are statement games if we want to make a real run. IMHO none of the next three games are not traps, but games our Boys want to win and win big.
Now lets see how many of the stats I predict right. If I hit just one, I am going to be like a media analyst on TV and hang my hat on that and gloat for a week how I was right">
Not sure how much clearer it needs to be. There were a lot of people on BtB that joined in and had fun in the discussion. You know fun is something we are supposed to have in our life and not taking a negative tone in everything we say and do. You should try it sometime.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Whoa!
You guys can whomp on me all you want, but if you have some problems with BD’s credibiltiy, you are idiots.
Understand, the man makes his living scouting for an NFL team, and serving as a personal coach to NFL players, including several Dallas Cowboys. In other words, he actually works in the NFL. You saying he has no credibility is sort of like a homeless person telling Warren Buffett he doesn’t know how to handle money.
So shut up. Your credibilty is what has been destroyed, by your own words.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
by Tom Ryle on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We have a winner!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
That actually was a bit over the top.
But I respect BD tremendously, and he brings something unique and incredibly intelligent to this post. He is also someone I call a friend, although I only know him online. So when someone basically called him out for lying, it set me off a bit.
And it did feel good.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
While I don't think Birddog was lying, I do think kindablue had a point...
In general, let me say there is nothing convincing in and of itself of saying this is true because I am an NFL scout. That was the lesson last offseason of the Leo Ford post on the cap. Arguments should stand on their own logical merits, not on the beliefs of their audience.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
by LDVFootball on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
Tom, it is ok
You are one hell of a writer and on BtB you and I have many friends. Me, I have dealt with these kinds of folks my whole life. When I was in high school some told me I would fall on my face. I did not get a Texas State Championship, but I laid it all out there and came close. When I went to College some told me I would fail. I played in and won a bowl game. When I decided to persue a career in the Army, I was told I would wash out. I had a very good 20 year career. When I came out and wanted to b a personal coach and try and be a scout, some told me I would fall on my face.
Through it all, my freinds and family stuck by me. I think I am doing ok. I do not worry about what others say and want to bring me down. I will just keep being me and working hard and showing the kind of intalgables that I look for in those I scout. That is the path to success.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
He claims to be a scout
He doesn’t have any credentials that are publicly available. So, other than acting like an expert, he has no credibility.
If someone actually “works in the NFL” I would be surprised they would spend most of their time on a public blog, identity unknown, singing the praises of the organization and head coach. Professional consultants don’t do that. By definition.
And if you’ll notice the facts as opposed to the emotional propaganda, I caught him in a deception. Which is not hard to verify. But I guess facts are irrelevant, aren’t they, oh brilliant one?
As Parcells once said: “You’ve been sucked”. And it wasn’t me doing the sucking.
Signed,
“An idiot” who can think for himself and can stick to the facts.
You are clueless, aren't you?
I wasn’t sure at first, but then I saw this post where you compared a persons knowledge and firsthand experience in football with a prediction he made on a blog about 1 game 3 months ago.
Knowledgeable people don't make stupid predictions
In case you’ve never had a meeting with common sense. Which given your childish rhetoric, it sounds like you haven’t.
he clearly was being tounge and cheek with his prediction.
He wrote from a fan’s perspective and not a scout’s perspective. He wrote that after the team had just steamrolled through Seattle and Buffalo. I’m not going to fault him for it.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I would love to hear what it is that you see that gives the idea that the team is headed in the right direction. I see a team with a core group of players that has consistently failed to realize its potential.
I’m not quiete sure what the size fo the scouting department proves. At the end of the day the proof is in the team’s performance. I believe that one of the reasons we love sports so much is that at the end of the day all speculation and talk is put to rest by the scoreboard. The proof is on the field, not in newspapers or message boards. Garrett took over a team with the same core group of players that went 13-3 in 2008 and were poised to make a championship run…the same group that was a popular pick to play in the title game in 2010 before Romo’s injury derailed the season. At the end of the day, any way you cut it, the 2011 team failed to live up to their potential. I argue in the post that the season was on shaky ground from day one because of poor personnel decisions and failure to accurately evaluate the potential or lack thereof at key positions on the offensive and defensive side of the ball. We can debate how much control Garrett has over personnel, but this goes back to the core of the question “is Garrett the next Jimmy Johnson.” Jimmy Johnson had the gravitas to influence Jerry over personnel decisions. If we are to believe that Garrett has this same type of influence, then Garrett has to shoulder some blame for going into the 2011 season with huge holes on the offensive line, defensive line, and secondary. Garrett should also shoulder some responsibility for the idea that Rob Ryan was going to turn water into wine with the same secondary that set franchise records for poor performance in 2010.
Setting aside the debate about personnel decisions and in spite of the up and down performance of the team throughout the first half of the season, a playoff run was right there in front of this team when December began. In game after game, the team was under-prepared (see the end of Arizona game and first Giants game), showed little fight (see Eagles game and 2nd Giants game), beset by mental errors and stupid penalties, and the failure to make the big play when it mattered. Does this pattern sound familiar (see 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 seasons)?
by jerry_jones_killed_our_cowboys on Feb 12, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The 2011 Cowboys
1) Had to get younger on the oline, and were not able Davis, and Gurode because of the new NFL Salary Cap.
2) They tried to get Nnamdi, got burned a the last minute; and before they could respond, Houston signed Joseph. Everyone and their
mother was clamouring for Dallas to sign Abe Elam because safety was more of a need. All you people who wanted that Jag pile of crap Abe Elam got your effing wish. Now you want to fry him for it?
3) Wtf are you talking about? The Cowboys Dline while it can be improved/tweaked, is te least of the problems on this team. 42 Sacks, and a good run defense, you want to act like it’s utter garbage?
Garrett, Jerry, and Stephen have said numerous times since the Giants loss in January that they will fix the oline and secondary. Free Agency and the Draft haven’t taken place yet. Do you want them to get on their knees and beg for forgiveness that their plan to rebuild on the fly and make the playoffs failed by 1 game? That’s a tough trick to pull and they almost did it.
Garrett’s the one calling the shots and influencing what happens. The oline and secondary you saw in 2011 WILL NOT be the same in 2012. He already made changes to the coaching staff-new oline coach/offensive coordinator, and new secondary coaches. Part of the problem was the over the hill position coaches, and part of the problem was the players. The solved the coaching part, now they have to wait until FA and Draft to make the changes to the roster.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
(Revisionist history?) Joseph was never on the Cowboy radar this offseason...
I never came across a single article that claimed the Cowboys were interested. On that note, did the front office even show any interest in Rogers, whom the 49er’s signed rather quickly to a very reasonable one-year deal? And, what about Goldson, the 49er safety whom SF brought back on a one-year contract as well? They signed him shortly before we came to terms with Elam. It is absurd to consider that we could have had half of a 49er secondary that was a big part of their 2011 winning formula. I remember that ESPNDallas asked the Cowboy front office specifically about Goldson and ESPNDallas reported the Cowboys were not interested. LOL.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
Goldson had his best year this season
can you blame the Cowboys for not bein interested?
Carlos Rodgers? He had a nice year in 2011 lets see what he does after getting paid.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 7:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thing is, as a GM or head coach, you got to be able to tell these things...
You got to be able to guess (and guess right) whether some guy who was a No. 1 pick, but didn’t pan out with his first team, is really a bust or can start over with new coaching and in a new system. We only seem to take our chances with JAG’s like Sensabaugh. What would have been so bad about giving Rogers a one-year contract to prove himself? At worst, he doesn’t pan out. At best, he would have displaced Newman, bought us some more cap space, and given us time to groom a younger replacement. So, maybe at the start of this season, we are not contemplating starting a rookie or having to overpay for a free agent starter who is nowhere near the skill level of the two top corners in last year’s market. Now, I agree that Goldson would have been more of a gamble, but I bet from film study any credible GM could have seen the guy has pretty good instincts (can read pass plays), closes fast, and is quite a hitter. On a one year deal, I would have taken the chance, if only to make the position group competitive.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
by LDVFootball on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Were you saying this
about Goldson and Rogers last year in free agency?
by BrickTop on Feb 13, 2012 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
hindsight is 20/20...God I've been waiting for so long to use that line
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Here is the flaw in your reasoning...
It doesn’t matter if I win or lose this argument with you. The Cowboys still lose. They missed the opportunity to have both Rogers and Goldson. For them or even you as a fan, saying hindsight is 20/20 doesn’t win SB’s or get the team to an NFC Championship game. If the front office is good at what they do, it is not even hindsight, it is foresight and insight.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
by LDVFootball on Feb 13, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't play GM around here...
meaning I pretty much keep my thoughts to myself until the draft. So, yeah, I did wonder why we didn’t sign them, but didn’t post about it. One who did was Chia. I remember him making a case for Goldson. No one made a case for Rogers around here. I would have made mental note of that because it was what I also was thinking.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
Right
So if we had signed Goldson and Rodgers and they had bad years, you would still be able to bash the GM. Got it.
by BrickTop on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You got nothing...
You don’t know they would have had bad years with the Cowboys. (Fact: they had very good years playing in a much more aggressive scheme than the Cowboys employed.) As to bashing the GM, did you even read what I said above? I said it would have been a chance worth taking. I thought that then, I think that now. How does it follow from that that I would have bashed the GM for taking that chance, on one-year deals no less? LOL.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
by LDVFootball on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Bird I want them to win as bad as anyone. If I didn't I wouldn't be so hard on Jerry.
Jerry created this mess. You don’t know for sure that Garrett will be a good coach. No one knows for sure. Including you. We all hope he becomes a good coach. I hope he becomes a great coach. As of today he isn’t a good coach. Too many gaffes. I am not going to lie to myself and say everythingis ok. I will say in regards to Garrett I am glad Jerry didn’t hire a retread.
Lots of teams have staffs to manage their salary cap. Some staffs are bigger than others.
Jerry has tried many different ways of making this team good. None of them have worked. That is a fact. Maybe this one does. Maybe it doesn’t. Again you don’t know for sure. The results aren’t in. However no matter what he has tried, the one constant is still Jerry.
So no I won’t give him a pass. I won’t stop bashing him when warranted. He deserves it. He deserves the mediocrity his team has given him. However the fans don’t. If he keeps fielding sub par teams as a fan I will keep bashing him until he gets it. Again this team bombed in December. What’s new ? A chance for the playoffs and the Gmen face slapped them. The game wasn’t even competetive. Same ol story.
I know it takes time to change the culture of a team. The excuse of no offseason doesn’t wash with me either. (yes I know you said nothing about the offseason). Harbaugh in San Fran didn’t have an offseason either. Yet fans still point to it. However Jerry is the face of the franchise. When you think of the Pats do you think of Kraft ? Jerry needs to shut up. Jerry needs to remove himself from the camera. Let the coach or one of the players become the face of the franchise. Then I will say the culture is changing.
Most fans will buy into all the fluff. All the koolaid and feel good stories they can get their hands on. That ended for me 5 years after Aikman retired. I fairly gave him 5 years to rebuild.. The team spiraled downwards with some of the worst drafts and trades a franchise has ever seen. Results are in order and we haven’t seen any. Including this year. Every year we hear it’’s going to be different.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Cold Hard Facts
1) Cowboys fans, Jerry Jones, and the media overrated the talent level of the 2011 Cowboys.
2) The 2011 49ers ha more talent on the oline, dline, and secondary.
3) The 49ers after spending year after year accumulating top 20 draft picks and high picks in every rd finally found a head coach who knew how to take advantage of good situation. All I heard from 2007-2010 when I lived in SF was the 49ers will win the NFC West, they are a talented team, this their year. Year after year Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary found different ways to screw it up-predictive play calling on offense and defense-throw the QB under the bus because his progress in learning a new offense each and every season is slow. Same $hit different season. Harbaugh didn’t change the offense or defense, he kept everything the same. He made the same big speeches Sing and Nolan made. The only difference, he brought in assistant coaches that actually taught the players how to do their jobs.
Heading into 2012, Garrett finally has his coaching staff in place-lets see what happens.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Colder ,hard fact.....1 playoff win in 15 years.
The gm ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny how Alex Smith was a bum until Harbaugh got there......
Harbaugh had a huge impact…….and with no offseason…
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 12, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
IMO it has to do with his background as a player. He knows what it takes and realizes that as a HC, you have to teach what you want your players to do.
I’m pissed my Browns didn’t hire Rob to be the HC in Cleveland! This guy got great production out of a group of no names and has beens (Elam) on defense. You guys have a damn good DC, and players with talent, I’m really interested to see how the 2012 season plays out for you guys. I predict Dallas as winning the East, with NY & philly duking it out for 2nd place.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
by J. W. on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We have two really good players on d.
We pne pretty good player on d. Nothing else. That’s it. We have 3 players on d. The d is barren. The gm doesn’t know how to stock a roster.
The trade the Browns made should beef up both sides of the ball up there. You all have a chance to add 5 quality draft choices. That can expedite the building process in a hurry.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
(edit) We have one pretty good player
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
1 playoff win in 15 years-my SARCASTIC explanation
1) It’s documented in Boys Will Be Boys that once the Boys won their 3rd SB, Emmitt Smith stopped running hard, began running out of bounds more because he only cared about yards and TDs.
2) Why didn’t they show up and win despite Irvin’s injury in Carolina? Talk about not moving forward in the face of adversity.
3) Once Haley and Novacek left the team, Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, and Deion didn’t win jack. Talk about leadership. Talk about heart. The 1997-1999 editions were a bunch of gutless wonders.
4) That 1998 team was anti-clutch. Talk about not showing up at Denver and on Thanksgiving against the Vikings or in the playoff game vs Arizona-Aneas Williams, Jake Plummer, and Adrian Murrell shouldn’t have been able to beat them, considering Dallas swept the NFC (L)East that year. Talk about lacking drive and motivation to beat someone you’re better than.
4) That 1999 team was all about not moving forward in the face of adversity. Once Aikman goes down those heartless bums stumbled to an 8-8 record-they didn’t deserve to be a playoff team. Forget 1997, I was embarrassed and ashamed of being a Cowboys fan in 1999. I’ll forever remember Manning, Edge, and Harrison dusting Troy, Emmitt, and Deion in their tracks. What a listless bunch. How the hell do you let Jake Delhomme and a piss poor Saints team beat you on Christmas Eve? Back to back empty 1200/1300 yard seasons for the melodramtic selfish RB in 1998 & 1999. Thanks for not showing up against the Vikings that post season.
5) 2000-2002: What’s your excuse for not finding Aikman’s replacement? When Steve Young’s career ended, the 49ers found Jeff Garcia and continued marching forward. More empty 1000 yard seasons from the tin man RB. No one cared less about winning if his stats were good than 1996-2002 Emmitt Smith. The lowest of the low-watching them open the 2002 season with an epic season ending loss to Houston after making a big deal out lf that game on Hard Knocks.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Should say once Irvin went down in 1999
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 3:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There are several differences btwn Dallas and San Fran
Harbaugh took over a team that had built up its fundamental positions and had just kinda flopped on the sexy ones. JG took over a team that was just as bad, but had little talent infusion bc the GM traded away a lot of picks and really ran the team into the ground. On top of that JG had to cut over 20 million in cap space to get under the new cap. The main thing is, Jerry is Jerry, but he trusts JG, and JG will keep him from doing something off-the-wall-stupid.
"How 'Bout them Cowboys!"---Jimmy Johnson
"...and the Cowboys...STUN the Bills!"--ESPN MNF
You can hope. If you want to look at a screwed up team, look no further than my Browns 99-2009.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
Tom forces everything he writes to fit whatever narrative is convenient and uses nothing other than conjecture and opinion to back his points.
Squish.
by Squishmytomato on Feb 11, 2012 7:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Theres the door...
Tom forces everything he writes to fit whatever narrative is convenient and uses nothing other than conjecture and opinion to back his points.
*fixed
Child please!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 7:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
agree nice post
garrett is good but he’s no jimmy and drinking kool-aid is good and makes you feel ok but you know what’s better and something very close to garrett’s way being aware of the real situations inside an organization in order to identify the possible weak areas and consequently implement the necessary actions to make a healthier organization
I personally don't think Garrett is much of a leader or has...
…the meddle to return this team to glory but time will tell and I hope I’m wrong.
Great post!
I appreciate guesses
But to indicate that one has a clue what Garrett is capable of without having been around him is a waste of time. Keep guessing. Since the great major of people fail in the NFL, there is a good chance that saying “he’ll never win a superbowl” is a good bet no matter how talented and capable the person is.
There is nothing to suggest that Garrett is an effective leader.
There is, you are just not looking…
Like most of the Cowboys’ defenders, linebacker Bradie James didn’t know much about Jason Garrett before he replaced Wade Phillips. But after playing four games for Garrett, James sounds very much like a man who wants to play for the Princeton grad for years to come. "That fire – you are born with it," James said of Garrett. "He’s got that fire in the belly. He motivates you, man. I’ll be honest with you, he really does. He gives you something to think about, and guys respond."
After Jason Witten caught what would prove to be a game-winning four-yard touchdown pass from Stephen McGee in the team’s season closing victory over the Eagles in Philadelphia, then-interim head coach Jason Garrett gave Witten a little congratulatory shove.
Only it wasn’t really all that little.
Some observers thought Witten to be upset over the push, which sent him back a few feet; but according to the veteran tight end, who revisited the exchange with the Bad Radio Show on 1310 the Ticket recently, this was not the case.
“No, I wasn’t upset, " Witten said, per the Dallas Morning News. "I was focused. I was locked in. I just caught the game-winning touchdown, I had hoped. That’s the way he is. His interaction with the players, that’s the way he does it.
"I was a little caught off guard. He gave me a pretty good shove, I got to admit. It knocked me back a little bit. But that’s him. He’s all in with his players. He loves to compete. He respects this game so much and he gets the most out of his players."
Terence Newman: “Jason Garrett just gave the greatest speech i’ve heard in all my years playing football.”
Although Garrett doesn’t show it when talking to the media, he’s got a reputation for being a motivational master.
"He’s unbelievable in front of our team," linebacker Sean Lee said during training camp. "He’s obviously extremely intelligent. At the same time, he’s very personable."
"I told you guys when Jason Garrett took over that he will change things," Michael Irvin said on NFL Total Access . "He’s going back to the old Jimmy Johnson style where you’re going to have to earn everything. And I certainly do like that."
Irvin said that Garrett, a teammate of Irvin’s from 1993-1999, understands what it takes because he put in the work when he was a backup quarterback with the Cowboys.
"Jason Garrett was one of the guys that earned it," Irvin said. "He didn’t step on the field on Super Bowl Sunday, but I worked his butt to death everyday in practice when I couldn’t go with Troy [Aikman]. So, he understands what it takes and he’s going to deliver it."
A high-ranking Ravens official mentioned to me in ’07 that Garrett could run for president if he got sick of coaching someday.
Garrett’s a great leader. He seems to strike with ease a balance between being a meticulous task master and passionate players coach. We’re lucky to have him directing the organisation and rebuilding this roster.
Some more...
I talked to five different players and all of them were quite impressed with the way Garrett and defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni came across during their meetings with players.
“He was very passionate,” defensive tackle Stephen Bowen said of Garrett. “He’s played the game at this level, so he knows what we’re going through. … Everybody liked it, everybody was ready to go out and do their job. He got everybody going.”
I bumped into rookie Dez Bryant on his way to lunch and asked him if anything was different Wednesday when Garrett stood in front of the team. “Much more intense,” he said.
“He’s very intense, very technical,” Bowen said of Garrett. “Nothing will go by the wayside with him. His intensity is something you can feel as a player.”
Well done Luke and like the supporting evidence. At the same time, I go back to the concept that the proof is on the field. Scoreboard says it all. Don't you agree that this team failed to achieve its potential?
Don’t you agree that this team struggled all season with mental errors, stupid penalties, poor execution (specifically in the red zone), and the inability to make big plays when they mattered most? Whatever leadership qualities Garrett displays behind closed doors, it didn’t manifest on the field in the form of a well prepared mentally disciplined team. The team had a very easy schedule and the top division rivals struggled throughout the season, laying a clear path to the postseason. With postseason fruit hanging lower than we might ever see, the Cowboys were never able to stand tall enough to grab hold and pull it from the tree. My evidence is right there in the 8-8 record and in the pain of watching the division rival we had 2 chances to bury now basking in the glory of a Championship Title. But there’s always next season, right?
by jerry_jones_killed_our_cowboys on Feb 12, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply actions
This team achieved exactly its potential.
I dont care how many stars you have. If you’re going into an offseason with a need to fill 8 new starting spots then a record of 8-8 is more likely overachieving than anything else. Mental errors, dumb penalties, and poor execution become commonplace when you have the likes of Alan Ball, Terence Newman, Martellus Bennett, and Phil Costa on your team.. Those mistakes far outweigh the effect that any elite talent like Romo, D-Ware, and Ratliff has, and there’s not much you can do about that. This team was 6-10 the year before, and although they had a great draft, the only other talent they added was Abram Elam and Kenyon Coleman, quite the formula for immediate success. Give him a Free Agency period with 20 million in cap space and let him draft us another 2-3 starters AGAIN, and you will see what wonders Jason Garrett will do for this team.
by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Feb 12, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Jjkoc,
Don’t you agree that this team failed to achieve its potential?
No I don’t agree at all. I agree much more with what Minuteman said.
This team is not stacked with talent it’s stacked with duds and a few stars. Most of the problems that have plagued this team have persisted under many, many quality coaches.
Bill Parcels
Sean Payton
Tony Sparano
Todd Haley
Wade Philips
That is a very respectable list of Coaches. Yet the same sort of disappointing play has plagued this team through all of them. Now you can blame those coaches for all our ills through the years if you want but in my opinion the players are the ones who should shoulder the bulk of the blame.
I’ve seen many, many important games the last 5 years where these players have been put in great positions and had great opportunities to win big games and I’ve watched those players not make those sometimes simple plays when it mattered most.
That to me clearly says the problem is/has been personnel and talent acquisition. The Cowboys are almost always over sensationalized and over-hyped because they’re the famous/infamous Dallas Cowboys. The media gets the ratings from it and Jerry just can’t help himself but hype is not reality. This roster needs a lot of work and there’s no such thing as an easy or instant fix.
On the positive side I think Jason Garrett has done a great job of attempting to change things. He took a knife to the team (to both players and coaches) last year in significant ways and he seems to be on his way to doing it again this year. I really like the direction we’re heading.
JJKOC, child please!
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 7:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"Don't you agree that this team failed to achieve its potential?"
Yep, I agree. Because we have one of the top five o-lines in the league and we have great players on defense such as Walker, Newman, Ball, Brooking, James, and Elam. This team is one of the most talented ever.
This was sarcasm. Just so you know. You can’t polish a turd.
Garrett and Johnson
It’s silly to compare Garrett to Jimmy Johnson. Johnson teams won three SBs. I don’t give Switzer any credit for the third one. Jimmy Johnson could clearly evaluate talent and control the players. I haven’t given up on Garrett, but at times his play calling has been way to conservative. At other times just dumb. I’m also starting to question the hiring of Rob Ryan. The last thing a team needs is loud mouth. His play calling, and multiple schemes, seem to inspire mere confusion than results.
Comparison's invalid...
… from the get-go. Eras, players, JJ/JG personalities and coaching styles, Turner/Wannstedt/Sparano/etc, men and their Time, pre-cap, post-cap, coincidental circumstances, prior and current, influencing the then-Present, and on and on. Contextual definition’s required, which may, in and of itself, invalidate the debate altogether.
That's one small step...
Why dont we all hold off on BOTH comparisons.
I dont know how good Jimmy was as I was too young to experience those seasons. But how many of you that were following the team then, thought Jimmy was the great coach you think he is today after going 1-15 his first season?
Point is, give Garrett time, he’s had 1 1/2 seasons, and no offseason to work with the team. He needs time to assemble HIS team. It takes time for all the SOFTNESS that Wade instilled in them. We saw some real toughness from this team this season.
This fanbase is way to Knee-Jerk.
"Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory." - General George S. Patton.
Overreaction
Coach Garrett has been in control for a year and a half. What type of magic trick did you want him to pull off. When it was clear to a blind man that the team isn’t as talented as we would like to believe. Plain and simple you have to be able to cover or you’re not going to win. With a cap that was strapped, they went after the best DB on the market and lost. What could Coach Garrett have done?
I can only imagine what you guys would have said if Coach Garrett would’ve have had a season like Coach Johnson had in his first year coaching. Yes I know, I shoudn’t compare the two. Exactly what I was thinking. Fact of the matter, the guy is rebuilding the team to have his footprint. You can’t look at other teams or other coaches and think it should be done here. Every team from year to year is different.
I for one think we’re on the right track. Building an organization isn’t a over night thing. Changing the culture of a team and at the same time getting an onhands owner to see the big picture is a start. Give it time, because that’s what its going to take
Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares
Now I wonder.............
if we added Dion Sanders and Norton Jr. to this team how good a coach Garrett would be.
by TCB Orange Dino on Feb 12, 2012 4:00 PM CST reply actions
Jerry Jones turns 70 this year. Yet a recent article quotes him as saying he has no intention of giving up the GM reins.
The only owner/GM in the league.
He and Johnson put together that team and won 3 SB’s (well, 2 for Jimmy) despite Jerry, not because of him. They got a once-in-a-lifetime deal for Herschel, struck gold with their high picks from the losing years and,
most importantly,
were not dealing with a salary cap. If there was a hole Jerry could write a check and fill it. Everyone wanted to play in Big D in those days, and stepped onto a team with real leaders in the lockerroom.
Since then it’s been an embarrassment. Winning starts at the top of the organization (Consistent winning) which is why some teams are there year after year after year.
This team is looking at having an Al Davis type of situation where a control freak who’s time has come and gone wil not let go, and until a real NFL football man takes over as GM, nothing will change.
Jerry’s current tone (echoing Garrett and saying all the right things about process, etc.) is just another phase, after the
“I’ll try any warm body "phase, and the
“Bill Parcells” phase and the
“Wade Phillips” phase,
and is doomed to failure.
Why? Because at the top there is confusion in the leadership. Jerry is not a good GM, therefore he is not capable of putting together good teams year after year.
And any coach who steps in, even Garrett, has to answer to a guy who is BOTH GM and owner, who pulls the player strings and the $$ strings.
Players sense that, and so when the going gets tough, it’s hard for a coach to be the leader. Because the whole lockerroom knows who the real leader is. And, they know he’s an old guy, living on glory 2 decades old, having plastic surgery to seem younger, and who wants all the attention on him.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Feb 12, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Was meant as a reply to Larry
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
So let me get this right Larry,
No matter how hard JG and the coaches work they are doomed.
No matter how hard the scouting department works they are doomed.
No matter how hard Stephen Jones and Tom Ciskowski works they are doomed.
No matter how hard the players work and train year round they are doomed.
Well I guess I should just dump my clients with the Cowboys because they will never succeed under Jerry. Everyone on the site should just forget about the draft, training camp and games becuase there is no way they can succeed. We should just change BtB to Bitchin About the Boys and wait for Jerry to die, then just maybe we have a shot to be a contender.
Glad you cleared that up for me so I do not waste my time with the Cowboys.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
by Birddog26 on Feb 12, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
they could always get a good run going and win a SB or coome close. They had a chance in '07, and looked promising at the end of '09
But in terms of being a consistent franchise in like what you see in Pittsburgh, NE, the NYG, Baltimore, in terms of being a contender year in and year out, then yes, sorry to hurt your fellings, but with an increasingly older JJ at the helm that’s the future.
Look at Oakland and Al Davis. We are sadly not that far away from that. This GM traded the future for Roy Willims a couple of years ago! Roy Williams! One of the worst trades ever! His coaching hires have mostly been failures. This is a guy who’s been GM forever, yet people here are happy because he’s NOW saying the right things and putting in a system! It took this long?
Question for you: If he was GM and not owner, how long ago do you think he’d have been fired?? Do you really think he’d have been kept on the last 20 years??
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Feb 12, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Larry, Lets be honest. In your mind there is nothing I can do or say that will ever change your mind.
Until Jerry is dead and burried you will never change your attitude towards the Cowboys and the team.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Jerry holds the title of GM, but Stephen does most of the work
Realist, if you’ve been paying attention to some of the other posts and discussions here, it is apparent that JJ, while still holding the title of GM, has ceded a lot to his son. Due to the lockout and the media coverage of it the news flew under the radar that Stephen was promoted to CEO of all the day to day operations of the team, along with still heading up the salary cap and contracts (which he has been excellent at) and even the news that the last draft was more Garrett and Stephen than Jerry. Jerry still holds final say to be sure, but I think he is going to turn the Cowboys GM title to Stephen before too long, and Stephen is a lot smarter and really is a “football guy” than JJ ever was as GM.
Best line ever
we should change BtB to Bitchin About The Boys. LOL
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I liked that too.
I’m all for it.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This team will not win a Super Bowl any time soon
Jerry’s ego is too big, and Garrett doesn’t have enough experience. JG does have a great marketing department to sing his praises, though.
Aww
That sucks. Probably shouldnt root for this team then huh?
by BrickTop on Feb 13, 2012 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Irrelevant
I’m supposed to agree with whatever the organization shovels out?
There’s a difference between wanting my team to succeed and irrationally believing that they are going to succeed.
It’s an obvious point, but for some reason you can’t comprehend it?
You could always become a Giants fan
Kinda wouldn’t be so blue if you pulled for Big Blue now would you?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Hello its the offseason
All 32 teams have fans that are optimistic about the upcoming year and hope that this will be the year their team wins the big one. The thing that makes a FANatic real genuine is the fact no matter what is going on with their favorite team, they feel that on Sunday when its time for kickoff that some how some way their favorite team will win this game. I understand you have a pessimistic view about things, but its the offseason give it a break at least let our favorite team get a record before you start to write them off.
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 17, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Jimmy Johnson Was a good coach but....
Jimmy was great for the Boys, but far from perfect.Take away the Viking trade how great would have the Cowboys been?
Jimmy was not sold on #8 and it was not his suggestion to draft #22. How did Jimmy do for the Dolphins where he had control?
55.3% winning is above average but hardly great. His drafting was questionable and what was the score of the last game Jimmy coached against the Jaguars?
It was a 62-7 blowout loss to Jacksonville.
I don’t know how JG will do. it is too early to tell, but hopefully he learns from his mistakes. My gut feeling is that he is going to be really good for the Cowboys.
But, I will say this, what would be the reaction id the Cowboys lost 62-7 in the playoffs and JG was coaching?
I won as many Super Bowls as the Eagles!
by RealAlbertEinstein on Feb 12, 2012 4:30 PM CST reply actions
What's that you say?
Cecil The Diesel Collins and Kareem Abdul Jabbar weren’t the next comming of Emmitt Smith?
Yatil Green wasn’t the next comming of Michael Irvin?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 12, 2012 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He had Aikman Irvin and Ken Norton before he got there, He also had Mark Tuinei , Nate Newton, Kevin Gogan Jim Jeffcoat and Kelvin Martin . (Steve DeOssie /Eugene Lockhard / for trading) He also of course had Herschel Walker.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Jimmy drafted Aikman
Irvin etc was there already
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
You said it……………….LOL
I won as many Super Bowls as the Eagles!
by RealAlbertEinstein on Feb 12, 2012 5:53 PM CST reply actions
Oh yeah, by the way, hello and glad to be here, guys.
I’m a writer myself, and have been reading the posts and comments here for the last few years, but only now will come on to engage you awesome guys in some good ole’ boys discussions.
I compare Garrett to Landry not Johnson
He has his guys, he has a system that works and as a head coach he has more authority to implement it to the broad audience. The true test will be this year when he has a full season to work with. Last year was not ideal for bringing in a new DC with a new 3-4 system.
Johnson had some of the same things and he was coached by Jimmy so naturally he does some of the things he picked up. He’s been in Dallas for a long time so you can see what he’s picked up from Landry and Johnson. In both cases he has brought back professionalism and discipline but he also brings in recruiting.
I don’t think there will be many blockbuster deals unless they include us getting more draft picks. The Roy Williams and Deion Sanders deals would never have happened under Landry, Johnson or Parcells. This team will develop slowly using player development and strong drafts. If we get 2 or 3 starters every year out of the draft we won’t be as reliant on big free agent signings. Look at Laurent, Holland, Fiammetta… all huge contributors and all were cheap.
The Garrett era has begun… he still even listens to Jimmy, he will eventually give up the play calling to Callahan.
Well if it doesnt work out for JG, you’ve got RR waiting in the wings.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
The reason I compare him to Jimmy
is that he has to work with Jerry.
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Tom how does Wade compare to Jimmy ?
Tung n cheek (heh!)
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 14, 2012 4:45 AM CST up reply actions
I felt that he had the foundation, but needed to work with it more.
Plus he could have tried some color to make the hair work better, but he was right in not going with as much spray. That is what you were talking about, right?
Formerly Pineywoods - different name, same cockeyed view of the world.
Jason Garrett - Lord of Order
Rob Ryan - Lord of Chaos
Gel. If he would have used a little gel and some shades.....
remember how after every loss he would say “I saw some good thangs”……gel and shade would have made him look cooler when he said it.
Btw he never said …things….it was always" thangs"….
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 14, 2012 6:00 AM CST up reply actions
It all just seem premature to even talk about.
We don’t need to be talking about this right now. Jason Garrett needs the time to implement his program. This will be the first full offseason he’s gotten, so I do expect things like the rookies, 1st year guys, and the defense to improve. Mike Woicik can go to work on those guys, and Dez Bryant can finally get the entire offseason work he needs to jump to the next level.
"Jay Ratliff is always pissed off. I really wish he could play offense line and kick Justin Tuck's @@S."
by hitman90 on Feb 13, 2012 12:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Lack of running game!
You honestly cannot compare the two as of yet if DeMarco pans out we will have a running game that IMOP will be the best we have had since Emmit. Wouldn’t hurt to secure that middle for bigger plays. You have to have a threat back there these days unless your New England.
Someone's always Going to be Hating on Da Boyz
by Jeff G. on Feb 13, 2012 1:59 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Not taking anything from Jimmy
But composing a coaching staff with Norv Turner, Dave Wannstedt, Butch Davis, Mike Woicik, Dave Campo the list just goes on, has to make your job a little easier.
Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play
by Ihatethesaints on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 PM CST reply actions

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