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Is Mario Williams on the Cowboys' radar?

On February 2nd, Bob Sturm posted this comment from NFL analyst Pat Kirwan (http://sturminator.blogspot.com/):

"We always talk about the 3-4 outside linebackers when talking with Bill Cowher, and he wants to start with his defensive ends. Go study the tapes. Aaron Smith sets up a lot of things. He's so good that he forces the tackle to go with him into the B-gap and then the outside rusher is on a back. The guys that build (the 3-4 schemes) will tell you to start right there (with the defensive ends). Not with the outside linebackers. They are the finishing touch - we are going to set it up so that they are going to be on backs a lot, and when that happens, you are going to win."

I tend to agree and believe that Dallas' greatest defensive deficiency on the front seven is the lack of a consistent pressure player at the 3-4 defensive end position (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/1/29/2755797/is-the-problem-anthony-spencer-or-is-he-the-victim-of-his-surroundings). According to reports, the Cowboys are seriously considering moving Jay Ratliff to defensive end next season. The development of Sean Lissemore on limited snaps may be the catalyst for this move finally taking place (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/2/9/2786800/dallas-cowboys-pro-football-focus-trending-players). This looks to be a step in the right direction according to Pat.

"I think if you were playing a true 3-4, then Ratliff should not be a nose tackle. He should be out, just like Vince Wilfork, who is playing more as a 5-technique quite a bit now and I think Haloti Ngata got everybody creatively thinking about how to do it. But as long as you are playing basically a 4-3 defense and Ratliff is basically a 1-gap player, he's ok there."

Under Parcells, Dallas ran a more traditional 3-4 defense. Wade ran the Phillips-version of the 3-4. Rob Ryan had his tendencies, and as stated by Kirwan, Ryan's defense, like those of his predecessors became stale due to a lack of flexibility with personnel. The 3-4 defense is most potent when the coverage schemes are unpredictable.


"You better do it [drop Ware into coverage] once in a while, because if you don't, they will just call him the end in the protection schemes and the tackle is always going to turn to him. And the guard will always turn to the "5-technique" and the back will always be on the (inside) linebacker.

Most guys treat Dallas as if they are a 4-3 defense. They don't believe DeMarcus is ever going to drop and they don't believe the other guy is that much of a threat, so they look at you as if you are what we call a "4-3 Under". If you stop the film right after the snap, the Cowboys look just like a 4-3 Under defense all of the time."

At a press conference, Jason Garrett mentioned that the Cowboys would consider moving to more of a 4-3 base defensive front in 2012. In reality, the Cowboys play a similar scheme in nickel situations when Ware and Spencer act as 4-3 defensive ends, with Ratliff moving to defensive tackle.

According to Kirwan, opposing offensive coordinators have their blocking schemes based on a "4-3 Under" look that the Cowboys essentially employ. Notice the phrase, "...they don't believe the other guy is that much of a threat."

Pat is referring to Anthony Spencer. Since the defensive ends are not attracting the offensive tackles to help the guards, Spencer is consistently required to beat an offensive tackle. The same could be said for Ware, as none of the defensive ends are attracting the offensive tackle into the B-gap: DeMarcus is just better.

Today Bob Sturm makes the argument against the acquisition of Mario Williams. His final analysis consists of, "Basically, what I am saying is that Ware and Williams are birds of a feather. You cannot have both and still have a sound 3-(http://sturminator.blogspot.com/)."

I believe that Sturm, however, missed some very obvious points in his column. This will be the biggest contract Mario will sign in his career. He is currently 27 years old and this contract will likely be at least 5 years in length. If he sees the contract through to its conclusion, he will be 32 years old.

Therefore, it would come as a surprise if he did not follow the money. Consequently, every team with cap space is in play: including the Cowboys. If Dallas signs him, there is no reason why Dallas could not play him alongside Ware on the blindside as a 3-4 defensive end on first down and some second downs.

Mario seems to fit the mold of pressure 5-technique defensive ends. He has the size and the power to anchor as well as pressure the passer.

Justin Smith: 6'4", 285 (DE, SF)

Aaron Smith: 6' 5", 298 (DE, PIT)

Calais Campbell: 6' 8", 300 (DE, ARI)

J.J. Watt: 6' 5", 288 (DE, HOU)

Antonio Smith: 6' 4", 280 (DE, HOU)

Jared Odrick: 6' 5", 304 (DE, MIA)

Pernell McPhee: 6' 3", 280 (DE, BAL)

Stephen Bowen: 6' 5", 306 (DE, WAS)

Jay Ratliff: 6' 4", 287 (NT/DE, DAL)

Mario Williams: 6' 6", 283 (DE/OLB, HOU)

Wes Bunting had this to say about Mario Williams in comparison to Quinton Coples (DE, North Carolina) (http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/02/cowboys-draft-2012-good-fits-for-4-3.html):

"Williams was more powerful on contact. He was explosive, but he wanted to play in contact. He was long and he could fend off blocks. And there were not any motor questions with him. He played hard play-in and play-out. He was a little raw, needed to use his hands better. Overall, he was more of a force physically than Quinton Coples."

Although Bunting is referring to Coples as a 4-3 end or tackle, realize that Bunting has also noted in the past that Coples could play end in the 3-4. In addition, the Cowboys had Mario Williams as the best player available in the 2006 NFL draft, when Bill Parcells was playing the more traditional 3-4 defense.

Mario Williams seems to have the physical attributes to play the 3-4 defensive end position and then switch to defensive end in a traditional 4-3, which Dallas employs in nickel packages. Remember that Rob Ryan switched Oakland's 3-4 front with Warren Sapp to a 4-3 in order to take better advantage of the individual talents of each player.

Ryan also likes to utilize players with position flexibility. The word "multiplicity" was bandied about in training camp last season from almost all of the defensive players. Mario Williams' positional flexibility could be maximized under a scheme like Ryan's.

If Mario were to line up next to Ware, either Williams or DeMarcus would face many single man-on-man opportunities due to presence of the other premier pressure player. If Mario was able to consistently attract the attention of the offensive tackle in the B-gap, Ware would find himself taking on tight ends and running backs on a regular basis. Conversely, if the offensive tackle stayed on Ware, Mario would be mano-a-mano with a much slower guard.

On the opposite side, the Cowboys could have Spencer/Butler alongside Ratliff, with an improved Lissemore at the nose in a base 3-4. Ratliff might do for Spencer/Butler, what Williams would be projected to do for Ware. After listening to Bryan Broaddus state that the Cowboys may franchise Spencer, I tend to think as Rafael Vela does: (http://www.cowboysnation.com/2012/02/its-fibbing-seasons-eve.html) this is lip-service and nothing is really being decided. That $9 million cap-hit would be put to better use with Mario Williams.

This would also afford Dallas the opportunity to drop Ware into pass coverage more often while sending Ratliff, Lissemore, and Williams. The front would still be expected to provide pressure with those three rushing the passer. The added benefit of making the Cowboys defense more unpredictable would yield long-term benefits, such as turnovers.

Employing that strategy (dropping Ware) now, just gives opposing quarterbacks plenty of time to wait for receivers to break into the clear. This is what Kirwan sees as the biggest deficiency currently on the Cowboys front.

It makes me nervous to disagree with a football mind such as Sturm. He has shown great insight in the past. But I believe that Mario Williams would solve many of the issues Kirwan brought up on his show last week.

How about you?

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We ought not care about adhering to the 3- 4 it is not a religion. A good defensive coordinator can scheme anyone in.

Don’t care about the 3-4.

Besides JJ Watt plays DE in the 3-4 , Bruce Smith played DE in the 3-4 . Charles Haley played OLB in the 3-4.

A scheme can be changed or a guy can be schemed in.

All this talk about "he doesn’t fit the 3-4 " is just plain dumb.

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

partially agree

There are different skill sets for both defenses, but in the end defense is defense – “kill everybody” as Mack from The Program would say

Still, I also think Mario is better suited as a 3-4 DE rather than 3-4 OLB, I think Houston had to put him there because he was their best pass rusher at the time. No one would have predicted with 100% certaintyhow good Watt and Brooks Reed would play.

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Feb 13, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Mario is best suited for the 43 DE positon

All he has to do is rush the passer, doesn’t need to worry about opening holes for someone else to get the glory. He was drafted to be a pass rusher in the 43.

More likely scenario for him would be going to the Bears to team up with Peppers; signing with the Saints to be their primary pass rusher.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 13, 2012 3:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

true true

guess I should have added the caveat of in terms of a 3-4 defense Mario is better suited for DE rather than OLB

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Feb 13, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't Believe

that the Saints could afford him.

To be honest, If the choice was Mario or Spencer…I take Mario in a heartbeat. I think we can plug and play with the OLB, but our lack of a good DL has killed our pass rush. I like the idea of Mario as 3/4 and 4/3 DE…heck, he can even stand-up as OLB too. Also, the Cowboys do shuffle around alot and O-lines WILL have to account for his presence and not key only on Ware. Dropping Ware into coverage every now and then may help reduce those receiver/back/TE screens they like to throw behind him as well.

by Through Thick And Thin on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Amazing

People were talking about franchising Spencer for about the same price Mario would have cost.

MacGruber!

by Mojoness on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

People were talking about franchising Spencer

Solely because that tag is gone in a year, and the team can’t fill all the holes it has in that time frame. Stopgap measure, nothing more.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

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by Nickthegrip on Feb 14, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

its a fact.... he cant cover and he doesnt want to play olb in a 3-4 defense lol why do you think hes wanting out of houston !!!!!!!!!!

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by IRONRAVEN on Feb 14, 2012 2:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Its Haynesworth All Over Again

Same situation, different team. Williams signed up to be a 43 DE, not a 34 OLB. He’s not meant to move backwards in coverage and he knows it. If we decide to move to the 43 (I think its about a 10% chance we do), then I’d love to sign him. But, unless Houston offers him one hell of a deal, I don’t see him returning there. Plus, if Barwin turns out to be everything Houston hoped for in a 34 OLB, I’m not sure how willing they’ll be to dish out big money to Mario.

by inwittenitrust on Feb 14, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Haynesworth was opposed to playing as a 3-4 nose tackle.

Shanahan noted that Haynesworth was open to playing 3-4 end, and finally played him at that position before it became apparent that Albert’s knees could no longer support his enormous girth. I wonder if playing next to Ware as a defensive end would be attractive to any defensive lineman.

If so, why would Mario not consider playing 3-4 defensive end. More often than not, the offense will be reluctant to double Mario with the tackle and guard becuase that means Ware will be man up on either a running back or a tight end. That is a match-up that strongly favors Ware.

If the offensive coordinator chooses to keep the tackle on Ware and permit Mario to face off against just the guard, that match-up strongly favors Mario Williams. That strategy also leaves a tackle man on man against Ware, which slightly favors Ware.

The question is if this is just Madden-like thinking, or if Mario as a 3-4 defensive end lined up beside DeMarcus (as a 3-4 OLB) is a legitimate match-up nightmare for the offense and will result in relentless defensive pressure with minimal blitzing. If so, then spending $12 million/year on a young pressure player like Williams could be well worth the investment.

by ScarletO on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Think of it from the opposite side

Why would Houston want to play Mario at DE? They already have 2 starters who were very productive and are currently under contracts in JJ Watt and Antonio Smith. Watt came in as a rookie and had 55 tackles and 5.5 sacks. There’s no way you move a beast like him out of that slot which he’s perfect for. On the other side, Smith has 2 more years on his contract and is coming off a 6.5 sack season. Neither of those guys are going to get cut or benched for anyone (even Mario Williams). Meanwhile, Williams is going to demand one hell of a salary. He’s obviously too expensive and too big of a name to sit on the bench as a DE and if its true he doesn’t want to play OLB, I just don’t see how they keep him around next year…especially if Barwin has another double-digit sack season and Reed improves on his 6 sack season.

Quite honestly, I just don’t see any room for his price tag in Houston. As for him playing DE here, I just can’t see us spending 10M+ on a 34 DE. I’d much rather keep Hatcher at RDE, move Ratliff to LDE and spend that money Mario would require on a NT and CB/S

by inwittenitrust on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

He is a pass rusher. Ratliff isn’t that kind of pass rusher. It is easily worth the money outside of QB pass rush is the most important thing.But I think Mario will get even more money than the Cowboys can pay him.

The Cowboys need to get either Williams, Campbell , Avril , Jason Jones or Quinton Coples or Brokers next year. Otherwise next year is a write off.

If the Cowboys don’t get much better at DE than the Cowboys are nothing more than the Packer’s highlight film.

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I always thought Mario would make a better 3-4 end

than 3-4 OLB.

The idea of Ware, Mario, Lissemore, Rat and Butler/FA/Rookie is scary for opposing teams.

The combo of Ware/Williams on the weakside would be dominant. There would still need to be an upgrade to Spencer on the strong side (or Spencer could stay if he doesn’t get a big offer) but moving Rat to DE and having a rotation with Lissemore, Brent and Rat at NT would be good enough.

Mario doesn’t make this defense elite, but he definately ratchets up the pressure on opposing QB’s

"There are no traffic jams along the extra mile." ~ Roger Staubach

by TK19 on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

Scarlet-0

You don’t take him and try to make him Justin Smith. I understand he’s got the size or it, however, he’s never done it. It would be a square peg in a round hole. Instead, you go out and try to get Quinton Coples if you can. Coples had his best season playing 43 DT at UNC, which is the same as playing the 34DE.

I like the creativity, however, Mario Williams has never played 34 DE. He’s played 43DE, and 34OLB. As a 43DE or 34OLB he’s the main pass rusher. When Houston switched to the 34 defense last year, they moved him to OLB. If he came to Dallas, he would take Spencer’s job. I wouldn’t mind it quite frankly.

However it won’t happen. He won’t come to Dallas because as an UFA, he’ll want to go to a 43 team and return to playing DE where he his sole job is to get after the QB. I’d expect a team like the Saints, Bears or Patriots to come calling.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Don't Take Either

Unless you’re moving to a 43. I don’t like the idea of Williams or Coples playing here as a 34 DE. I like Hatcher at RDE and I’d love Ratliff at LDE with a big NT in the middle. If we move to a 43, THEN you go out and you grab Mario Williams. That makes your DEs Ware, Williams, and Hatcher (who’s dropping to 290 this year) and DTs Ratliff, Lissemore, Brent, and Spears. Butler moves to SOLB, Lee moves to MLB, and Carter moves to WOLB. Grab a couple low-priced LBs in FA and a mid-round LB then you can still use premium draft picks (1st and 2nd) on the secondary while grabbing an OG in the 3rd.

by inwittenitrust on Feb 13, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Ratliff is a good player but there isn’t a lot to go on that he is going to be a top notch DE
same with Hatcher.

They can both be useful especially Ratliff but neither has the potential talent of a Coples or Williams.

There is nothing that says 3-4 ends have to be space eaters or lane cloggers. Talent is way, way more important than scheme.

No loyalty to the 3-4 just get the most talented people and find a way to use them.

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 13, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Ratliff Started as a DE

Don’t forget that Ratliff didn’t move to NT until 2007. In 2006, he was Spears’ back up at LDE and notched 4 sacks without starting a game. That doesn’t guarantee anything, but it allows us some sort of educated guess. Let’s also remember that the reason most think he’d be better at DE is because he plays more like a DE then he does a NT. He’s basically playing the passrushing DE from a 0 or 1 technique. While it gives him the ability to cut up the middle right into the QB, he’s normally double teamed out of the play. From the DE spot, he’d get more one-on-one matchups and would spend more time in the backfield.

As for Hatcher, his first several years here were wasted by playing out of position. Wade was very foolish with how he positioned his guys and consistently put them out of place. I was begging since 2009 to move Hatcher to RDE to take over when Canty left. He wasted away sitting at LDE where he never should’ve been in the first place while Igor took over at RDE (where he never should’ve been either). I am still bitter towards Wade trying to make players fit his scheme instead of using the personnel the best way.

by inwittenitrust on Feb 13, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

Mario is going to get big $$$$$$$$. Dallas doesn’t have big $$$$$$$$.

If Mario is going to leave Houston, it is going to be for somebody who will throw $10-12M/year at him (if not more). Dallas just cannot afford that. A pass rushing defensive end is the most important position on defense and gets paid that way. There are a lot more teams (with more money than the Cowboys) that have a much worse pass rush than the Cowboys. Those teams can (and will) easily outbid the Cowboys.

FYI — the only person thinking (hoping) that Spencer might be franchised is his agent. Spencer will not be franchised.

The whole 3-4, 4-3 is a bit overblown. Spencer is a DE that gets called a OLB because we play a 3-4. Same with Ware. Although Spencer and/or Ware should be able to drop bak into coverage, they rarely do. They are both outside pass rushers.

by Conn Cowboy on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

According to the list yesterday

Dallas is 8th on the list of available $$$$$$$$.

If it comes to Spencer at 9 or Williams at 12, I’ll take Williams.

That being said I am still of the camp that the Boys continue their smart salary cap play so that we can avoid dead money salary cap hell again. Williams may be a once every 5-10 years player, but I am not sure it is wise to tie up so many resources in one commodity.

And then what happens if he gets injured again? Would love to have him but it must only be at a contract that is manageable down the line.

by TheCowboyWay on Feb 13, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The article is wrong

As somebody pointed out, the cited article refers to the amount of 2011 money that can be brought into 2012. There are teams that have lots of 2012 cap room that the Cowboys don’t. Cowbys are in the middle of the pack when it comes to cap space in 2012.

Mario Williams may very well be the biggest fish in the pond (not counting Drew Brees who isn’t going anyplace). He is going to go where the money is at and that isn’t Dallas. Also, there is no way Spencer gets franchised — whoever brought that up was a writer that had more free time on his hands than sense.

by Conn Cowboy on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Still, even at the middle of the pack,

If they wanted to sign them they could. I also think the cost would be too great. I would say no to both, but if it was one or the other I would have to go Williams.

by TheCowboyWay on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I agreed until...

you said Spencer rarely drops. If you actually think that, then you aren’t paying much attention to him during the game. He is not just a stand up DE who rushes every snap like Ware does. He drops around 1/3 of the time we line up in a 34. If he rushed as often as Ware did, that means we’d be blitzing 5 guys all the time, which we don’t. No team could blitz 5 guys as often as you’re saying and survive.

The major problem with the 34 as we run it (like the article says we run more of a 43 under with Spencer playing OLB ala Von Miller) is that the LDE (Spears/Coleman) are the main outside rushers across from Ware. That obviously doesn’t get it done as neither of them are passrushers so much as they are runstuffers. That’s one reason that if we keep the 34, I argue that Ratliff moves to LDE to rush the passer opposite Ware with Hatcher lined up at RDE to also bring pressure.

by inwittenitrust on Feb 13, 2012 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

Sturm/Kirwan

So Dallas is running a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel basically. We have a 3-4 end playing as a 4-3 end and a 3-4 end playing as a 4-3 tackle, with Ratliff playing as a 4-3 DT and Ware as a 4-3 DE. So the Coleman and Hatchet are both playing out of position in a sense, and there’s 0 deception which is a supposed strength of the 3-4 because Ware always rushes. Sounds like a scheme that’s the worst of both worlds …

by DB23 on Feb 13, 2012 5:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

About Right

We neither get the effective passrush from both sides that the 43 offers nor the surprise 4th rusher which the 34 is effective at. And honestly, if we wanted to run a 43 under, we could bring in a guy like Williams or bring in a first round DE (Coples, Ingram, Mercilus, etc) and line up Butler where Spencer currently plays. Von Miller has shown how effective a speed rusher at the SOLB spot in a 43 under can be. He had 11.5 sacks basically being a speed blitzer lining outside the LDE.

One thing I do disagree with is Hatcher isn’t playing out of position. He’s still playing a 5 tech in this system which is fine. He, honestly, could even play the 3 tech in a 43 at 6’6, 303. Though, I think he’d be best if he went down to 290 as planned and switched between DE and DT like the Giants do with their DEs.

by inwittenitrust on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

better question is...

Are the Cowboys on Mario William’s radar?

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by bitterlyhonest on Feb 13, 2012 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

I'm sure

If for no better reason that driving up the price elsewhere

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 13, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

this whole thing aboput 3-4 4-3 is useless, i don't know what do you need to be in favor of one

being able to play both fronts would be awesome, i think most of the front 7 on the team can play both fronts, so would be a nice idea to play both, ware and spencer can play DE, lee can play MLB, carter i’m actually more certain about his ability to play in 4-3 than 3-4, hatcher and ratliff can play 4-3, lissemore and josh brent too

by ratware on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 PM CST reply actions  

I have a hard time imagining Ware being happy to be

the 2nd highest paid defender on the team. Right now Ware is a better player than Mario, he has been his whole career

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by AustonianAggie on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

Ware has never

seemed like a “me-first” type of guy and I believe he is more concerned with winning than who has the biggest paycheck.

by Through Thick And Thin on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree but Ware

took a pay cut to help the team. And now he’d be 2nd paid behind Mario Williams? If Mario was as good as Ware, Houston would of resigned him last year

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by AustonianAggie on Feb 14, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo ought to take a pay cut. His legacy is worth more than his salary.

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 14, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it is a zero-sum game

(if it was me as Ware) Williams having more millions than me does not decrease the value of my millions. In addition, at some point the marginal benefit of each additional dollar goes down, thus other aspects of my job/life become more important. As a football player, for me, that would be winning a SB. I tend to think (could be very wrong) that Ware is definitily at the point in his career where the marginal value of winning more, especially a SB is worth a lot more than the fact another player on the defense has a contract with a higher AAV.

Like you said, Ware re-structuring his contract also shows he is a team player. Though from what I am learning on BtB, those restructures aren’t necessarily pay-cuts, but simply having more base salary turned into guaranteed money that can spread over many cap years. I could be wrong on this, but I am still a BtB neophyte.

by Through Thick And Thin on Feb 15, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

4-3

Ware, Ratliff, Lissy, Mario
Carter, Lee, draft Kuechly.

sounds like a great front 7. dont know if its possible tho.

finish the Oline rebuild

by yehti on Feb 14, 2012 4:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Texans are in way worse position to outbid us, so assuming he leaves...

Dallas has big advantage over some of the other teams in that there is no state tax in Texas. Teams like Buffalo who have loads of money will have a big disadvantage after factoring in the NY tax rate. We’re also the Dallas Cowboys. I think we have a chance :)

by livemontana on Feb 14, 2012 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

With all the needs we have it's best we don't pay 10-12 million for Williams

It might not be as sexy but I think we should get Jason Jones instead. He’ll cost us half of the price of Williams and be almost as effective for what we need him to do. Draft someone like Dontari Poe or Melvin Ingram in the first round, or hopefully if we’re lucky Quinton Coples :). This would give us a killer D-Line rotation of Ratliff, Lissemore, Jones, Draft Pick, Hatcher, and Brent. Our entire pass rush would benefit and with a free agent CB plus a few drafted DB’s we could be seeing Doomsday again!!!

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Feb 14, 2012 5:40 PM CST reply actions  

I think it would be dumb to franchise spencer

I don’t think you should franchise a player unless you would actually consider paying him that much or close to it every year. In other words, if a player isn’t a top 10 player at his position, you should not franchise him, and Spencer is not that. Sure he might be one of the better Sam Backers in the league, but he won’t be classified as a Sam Backer or a Will. Just as an Outside Linebacker so he needs to be one of the top 10 OLB in the league. Since he isn’t, no franchising Spencer.

Besides, Mario Williams is worth a $9 Million contract so the money would be better used there. Although I don’t think that Mario Williams will get that much because of the recent injury issues…

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by ProBowlFactory on Feb 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

Makes sense if it doesn’t bust the bank and lesser and two or three other free agents can be also signed. OG, OC, DBs, Robinson/Fiametta.

Williams will make the defense better now while providing some insurance a few years down the road when Ware’s game will start to decline. They will also have the option of going to a 4-3 with Ware and Williams on the outside and Ratliff and Spears on the inside.

Dallas can then hope DeCastro or Kirkpatrick will be there at 14.

The key issue is what the drop off will be from going to Victor Butler from Spencer.

by blain on Feb 17, 2012 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

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