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2012 NFL Draft: Mike Mayock Updates Top 5 Players Per Position

Yesterday, NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock released an updated version of his top five players per position heading into the Combine. You can find the full rankings here, but we'll focus only the positions of need for the Cowboys and any changes to the ranking since Mayock's initial version from January.

Defensive Ends/OLBs: An improved pass rush is an obvious position to focus on as a Cowboys fan. Anthony Spencer's future with the Cowboys is still up in the air, and with the amount of interest the Cowboys showed in J.J. Watt last year, an upgraded pass rush will certainly be one of the offseason objectives for the Cowboys. Whether this upgrade will happen at OLB or DE is the topic of much debate, but since Mayock conveniently lumps the two together, we'll talk about both in one go.

Rank Previous Ranking (1/24)
Updated Rank (2/14)
Change
1 Quinton Coples, North Carolina Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
2 Melvin Ingram, South Carolina Quinton Coples, North Carolina
3 Whitney Mercilus, Illinois Andre Branch, Clemson
4 Nick Perry, USC Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
5 (tie) Chandler Jones, Syracuse Vinny Curry, Marshall
Andre Branch, Clemson Nick Perry, USC

Most mocks and rankings have Coples as a top ten prospect and Ingram going somewhere in the second half of the first round, so it comes as a slight surprise to see Ingram move up ahead of Coples. Perhaps Mayock is already anticipating a better Combine performance by Ingram.

The same thing could probably be said of mock draft favorite Vince Curry, who is expected to put up some pretty impressive combine numbers, and rises accordingly. Overall, there's lots of movement in this positional ranking, and if you're wondering where Alabama's Courtney Upshaw is, Mayock put him at the top of the inside linebacker ranking. Upshaw did play OLB in Alabama's 3-4 defense, so from a Cowboys point of view he should be on this list, probably battling Ingram and Coples for the top spot.

After the break, we look at offensive linemen, corners and defensive tackles.

Star-divide

Offensive Linemen

Rank Previous Ranking (1/24)
Updated Rank (2/14)
Change
1 David DeCastro, Stanford David DeCastro, Stanford
2 Peter Konz, Wisconsin Peter Konz, Wisconsin
3 Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
4 Cordy Glenn, Georgia Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
5 Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State

No change in the top three in Mayock's updated list. He does move Cordy Glenn out of the guard group into the tackle group and replaces him with Amini Silatolu out of Midwestern State, who's seen his draft stock rise in many rankings.

Either way, chances are that one of the five guys on the list will be a Cowboy after the draft. David DeCastro remains the fan favorite for now, the other names are also worthy of consideration in a trade down scenario or with second or perhaps even third round picks.

Cornerbacks

Cornerback is easily one of the Cowboys' biggest needs for next year. And with multiple spots needing to be filled, it's likely that the Cowboys will address this position both in free agency and the draft.

Rank Previous Ranking (1/24)
Updated Rank (2/14)
Change
1 Morris Claiborne, LSU Morris Claiborne, LSU
2 Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
3 Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
4 Leonard Johnson, Iowa State Trumaine Johnson, Montana
5 Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama Leonard Johnson, Iowa State

Dre Kirkpatrick makes the biggest leap in this ranking, while Alfonzo Dennard drops out of the top five completely after his lackluster showing at the Senior Bowl practices. Cornerback is likely believed to have some of the best depth in this draft, so the Cowboys may well go after corners in the later rounds also, but these are some pretty enticing names on Mayock's top five list.

While there is little discussion about the top three corners on Mayocks list, his choice of Trumaine Johnson and Leonard Johnson at numbers four and five is interesting. Wes Bunting lists the two at 11th and 15th respectively, CBSSports has them 6th and 9th and Sports Illustrated's Tony Pauline lists them as the 9th and 12th best cornerbacks. Mayock does not provide any explanations for his his selections, and while it would be interesting to see why he likes the two Johnsons more than Stephon Gilmore or Brandon Boykin, the differences in opinion among these draft analysts may very well be a sign of the depth at this position.

Defensive Tackles

I’ll also include defensive tackles here because many Cowboys fans like the idea of some big guys in the middle of the defensive line, but it remains to be seen whether the Cowboys have any interest in a top five defensive tackle.

Rank Previous Ranking (1/24)
Updated Rank (2/14)
Change
1 Devon Still, Penn State Michael Brockers, LSU
2 Jerel Worthy, Michigan State Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
3 Michael Brockers, LSU Dontari Poe, Memphis
4 Brandon Thompson, Clemson Devon Still, Penn State
5 (tie)
Fletcher Cox, Mississippi St.
Fletcher Cox, Mississippi St.
Dontari Poe, Memphis Kendall Reyes, UConn
- -
Brandon Thompson, Clemson

Mike Mayock makes it official and jumps on the Michael Brockers train. That a player heads this list who has played 27 college games, and recorded only 2 sacks and 11 tackles for loss in those games, heads this list is nothing short of astonishing.

In other developments, if you were harboring uncouth thoughts of drafting Dontari Poe as a NT for the Cowboys in the second round, now is a good time to think about other second-round targets.

It's not clear how big the gaps between the individual players on these lists are, or which round Mayock projects them for. But it does give us a better feeling for the overall positional rankings.

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CB is a deep talent pool in this draft...

so stick with decastro in the first if available then use the 2nd round on a corner, then sign brandon carr…

by rockkicker on Feb 16, 2012 8:44 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Ideally, yes.

I’d love to get a FA Center to fill in until they find a long term guy, get DeCastro, sign Grimes, Carr, or Finnegan and get defense in the rest of the draft. Mind you there’s still some guys I’d like in the later rounds: LaMichael James, Ryan Broyles, and maybe a back up QB if there’s a guy they like (no one comes to mind for me).

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

add Paul Solai to that list and we have something. I feel like if we address DT, CB and oline in FA, that would go a long way for flexibility in the draft to grag a pass rusher, corner and oline….Ideally Id like DT (Solai), Myers ©, and Carr (CB). then grab a stud CB, DE and Olineman in first three rounds. Id be very pleased with that

by Noonelikestheeagles on Feb 16, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah...forgot about Solai.

Solai, Carr (Routt too I guess), a Center, and DeCastro would be huge additions to the team. You’re realistically just short a free-safety in that case, provided of course you re-sign Spencer and Robinson. You’re good everywhere else.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed…and not an overzealous approach by any means. I would be very dissapointed if we resigned Spencer. That handicaps our potential. He admitted to putting in minimal effort…seriously anthony…find the door. Poster child for what we are trying to get away from. While I realize it was a move of desperation to throw big money at Sens and Scan….those guys play their hearts out. Scandrick LAYS people out…albeit…sometimes our players in camp…haha! Thus were rewarded for their efforts. Spencer…meeeh. I would rather have Solai and Myers for what Spencer will garner and pay a tad more.

by Noonelikestheeagles on Feb 16, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Well Spencer's all about cost

He’s a good player, you’re fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Are there better OLBs? Absolutely. Are there worse players? Definitely. He plays his role, nothing more, but also nothing less. If you can get Chris Myers, and Pouha or Soliai along with Grimes and bringing back Robinson I’m definitely okay with losing Spencer.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

So your upset cause spencer admitted what 90%

Of our defense did in 2010 Jenkins pulled off tackles and let people score Ratliff stop chasing backs if he was blocked Newman didn’t jump for balls these are all very documented things that happened and your mad cause Spencer was man enough to say what no one else would. They all did it to be honest the only two people on our defense that did play there heart out was ware and ball. True ball couldn’t get it done but he gave it everything he had. I lost contact with Spencer cause of his effort so I’m the first to tell you he should have played the game and not given into the bullshit but 9 other starters did exactly what he did in 2010. The problem with letting Spencer walk is I see no one who can replace what he brings to the defense. We may be able to get a pass rusher who might get 4 more sacks but I doubt that matters when teams are running for first downs on first and second downs. Spencer is the reason ware gets sacks. I whole heartily believe this. He forces teams to have to pass cause of his run stopping ability. He sets teams up with 2nd and 3rd and longs so ware has the opportunity to do his job. I hope we don’t loss Spencer and regret it later which I’m sure we will.

by Sado44 on Feb 16, 2012 3:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol
Spencer is the reason ware gets sacks.

Ware was getting sacks before spence even came along i believe ur line of thinking is backwards.. Ware can play the run as well anybody when he’s asked to, the guy is an all around gamer.

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by DarkKnight88 on Feb 16, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

True ware is an all around gamer

But i don’t think you understood what I’m saying Spencer does his job so good it forces teams to pass more that’s when ware comes in. You get ware another pass rusher and things will be diffrent there aren’t many guys in this world who can do what ware does rush passer amazingly and still hold up in the run. Ware does both great. Now replace Spencer with a 10 sack solb (good luck) and I garrentee you Spencer’s sack for losses and contains and run stopping ability will be.missed. allowing teams to run more and pass less. Wares sacks go.down new pass rushers sacks don’t exceed what Spencer has been doing. Do hate Spencer.for being one of the top 5 solb in the league.

by Sado44 on Feb 16, 2012 4:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

U think I hate spencer?

I never implied nor said that, the guy would probably have more production w/ a big NT, something i’ve been wanting for several yrs now cause the 3-4 hasn’t really worked for this team but I also don’t think spence is a guy that’s not irreplaceable.

Like u mentioned above he admitted to packing it in when adversity struck along w/ many others so all the guys that did that I really don’t want them on this team cause when the going gets tough I want players who will lift themselves up not crawl into the fetal position.. Ratt, ware, lee were the only guys on D i saw play w/ heart in 10.

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by DarkKnight88 on Feb 16, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree about

Ratliff in 10 I saw alot of quit in him that year. I love Ratliff but he was no diffrent than the rest in 10 ball ware and lee I give you him.

by Sado44 on Feb 16, 2012 8:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Rat may have been tired

n worn down as the season went along so maybe u perceived that as quit but i didn’t see him take any plays off, hell he seemed to be the only guy showing some emotion during that fudgepacker game but the issue still remains i don’t want any quitters on my team no matter who it is so back to the original point spencer needs to go, the rest of ware’s career will still be fine imo.

"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22

"I'm gonna punch you in the ovary, that's what I'm gonna do. A straight shot. Right to the babymaker." --Ron Burgundy

by DarkKnight88 on Feb 16, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Where the hell was Spencer's run defense

When
1) LeSean McCoy gashed us for 185?
2) Marshawn Lynch ran for 135?
3) Fred Jackson ran for 114?
4) The Cardinals as a team outrushed us 103 to 75?
5) When Jacobs and Bradshaw combined for 113 rushing yards in the first Giants game?
6) When the Eagles outrushed us 105 to 81 in the second meeting?
7) When Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ware outrushed us 106 to 49 in the second meeting?

Some impact player he is.

Ware was getting sacks before Spencer showed up.

The Steelers get by with Harrison and Woodley knocking the QBs on their a$$es, having a great run stuffing 34OLB is what Alabama needs to win the SEC. If you want to win a SB, you need to get after the QB.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 5:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Thank u Ro

the man crush for spencer really needs to make its way outta here, now i’m not saying the guy sucks or anything like that, he’s decent but not a guy u could build ur team around or @ least someone who could hold down the fort for awhile if say ware was to miss any games.

"Some people wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas. But Chuck Norris wears Sean Lee pajamas. That is all." --sirjason22

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by DarkKnight88 on Feb 16, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That's all he is

decent

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 6:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well if i must

McCoy ran most his up the middle and at Coleman most of all those games teams went after Coleman and our nt. Spencer lead the team with TFL I’m not saying he is not replaceable I am saying not gonna happen in free agency or draft this year. As for Pittsburgh incomparable defense dick lebua is by far the best 3-4defensive minded coach in the NFL. And they have a very good line to help out there backers. That’s why they get away with rushing both backers about the same. But Dallas wasn’t built that way and if you wanna take Spencer out your gonna have to replace him with more than just a damn pass rushing olb Spencer is top 5 in the league since 2000 in TFL you don’t give that away for a few more sacks a season. This defense was built around ware and his complement backer is exactly what Spencer is.

by Sado44 on Feb 16, 2012 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

In the Eagles game, the Seahawks game, and Bills game

Spencer’s combined 3 game totals: 7 tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL

If that’s complimentary by all means have him.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Roh come on man

I think your just arguing to be arguing now. Those games in which Spencer didn’t see much action is because they where successfully running the ball away from Spencer. Which is why we need him on the roster. You proved my point almost for me. Those games run totals where higher the than any others right or very close I wonder why. Was it cause they took Spencer out of the run game by running up.Coleman’s ass. Listen man I don’t wanna argue a point that is already proven. Guys don’t want Spencer back and that’s OK but make sure you can produce what he will leave when gone before you ask for his departure is all I’m saying.

by Sado44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Not you too Roh.

I’m most upset with you because you’re one of the better posters here. One, just because one player is great against the run doesn’t mean the whole defense is. There’s the whole other 2/3s of the field. Where was Romo when the Eagles blew out the Cowboys the first time or against the Giants in Week 17? Or in the 2nd half against New England, the Jets, or the Lions No where, I guess he sucks. Where was Ware when the Giants (twice), the Eagles, Patriots, and Lions gashed the offense? I guess since there’s teams that didn’t allow a sack against the Cowboys that Ware sucks. The argument doesn’t hold up.

Harrison and Woodley are better than Spencer, however they also have Troy Polamalu, James Farrior, two good corners, Casey Hampton, Brent Kiesel and they’ve had other good DEs. There’s probably three or four HoFers on that defense.

by Omar Little on Feb 17, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

paul solai is going to be a waste of money

i would sign him for acheap contract, kinda of 2-3 million per year

by ratware on Feb 16, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he'll improve the team.

The team with him or Pouha, with Rat at DE and Lissy or Hatcher on the other side is better than the DL staying as is.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

i just say it would be beter look for someone more dynamic

maybe a dontari poe or alameda ta’amu, they would be cheaper and with some upside

by ratware on Feb 16, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Well obviously the most ideal situation would be to get Poe in the 2nd.

There’s bigger needs on the OL and in the secondary, but if you can get Pouha or Soliai at a fair deal why not? Neither has the profile that Wilfork, Ngata, or Hampton have and neither were first round picks or have anything else that artificially drive up their value.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

If it's a short deal too you also have very little opportunity cost

If you can improve the team with a small opportunity cost why not do it?

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

His cost will probably be closer to 4-5, and thats if we can get him after the Market settles down

I was thinking about Abreu Franklin, I know we didnt go after him last year, but maybe after seeing that Rat needs some help Rob gets his big NT?

by Proxy406 on Feb 16, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I also like James as well would be great addition with Felix on his contract year and him being so injury prone

Patrick Whitt is someone I saw mentioned as a late round QB project earlier today

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by Cowboys_Attack on Feb 16, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Ehhh...

I’m not too high on the late round QB class this year. Maybe Kellen Moore, but that’d be about it. I’m thinking next year is when they find the back up QB.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I wish he wouldn't rank Upshaw as an ILB

I wasn’t in love with his game tape, but we’ll have to wait for his combine numbers so we can see the more advanced projections.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

Short arms, lack of explosion off the edge

That’s Upshaw in a nutshell

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

lacks elite explosion

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Branch

Branch is a monster, I watch a ton of ACC football. Bull rushes the pocket and is relentless. I have not heard much about him so far, but he is going to be an absolute steal. I would love to grab him in the 2nd round.

by Noonelikestheeagles on Feb 16, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

yeah he's good

i would like to know if he can lay OLB, has the measurables, jsut don’t know if he’s stiff in the hips

by ratware on Feb 16, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

So now do we hope for Still in the second?

I really liked Poe too but would be happy with Still as well.

Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!

by Cowboys_Attack on Feb 16, 2012 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

doh

Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!

by Cowboys_Attack on Feb 16, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Im not entirely sold that the Cowboys will make move at first

They will probably let the market die down a bit before doing anything. I would like them to sign Robinson asap though.

Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys

Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…

Twitter: @silva918

by Antonio S on Feb 16, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully they start negotiating with him prior to March 13

so they can sign him quickly and move on to other FAs

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 16, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Robinson is a priority IMO

Unlike Roy Williams, It didn’t take Robinson long to find Chemistry with Romo.

Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys

Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…

Twitter: @silva918

by Antonio S on Feb 16, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

you know I am sick of this

Robinson WAS NOT our “best WR” last year…

he averaged less than 4 receptions per game, and barely beat Dez for the most TD’s….

this while being the #2 and in some cases the #1 WR for a good part of the year…

yes he was an awesome pickup, and while I would love it if he resigned, but seriously can we get away from the "best WR tag?

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 16, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

No one is calling him the most talented reciver we had,

But i think its a hard to argue his impact, Dez definitely drew the No.1 corner, no question.

Either way an offense with Austin,, Dez, and Robinson is worth the 3-4 we’ll have to shell out.

Especially with Jason witten on the field as well.

by Proxy406 on Feb 16, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I am not saying that Robinson isn't any good

and his impact was really good…but to call him our best WR is simply not true….I wouldn’t even say he was the most productive to tell you the truth, though if he resigns and takes snaps away from Witten(and I love what JW brings) I will be happy.

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST

by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 16, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Does that take into account all the single coverage he received?

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 6:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes.

However, that’s just one stat. PFF’s rankings had Dez as better. Either way he was definitely awesome last year, if you want to quibble over the “best WR on the team” label then fine, there’s arguments either way, just don’t let that arm chair GM garbage lead you to the conclusion: “Robinson’s expendable.”

by Omar Little on Feb 17, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

LR vs Dez--the numbers dont lie

In terms of raw athletic ability-gimme Dez, in terms of being able to run a route, get open, chemistry with Romo, and be clutch in the 4th quarter when it counts—gimme LR. How many times did Dez disappear in the 2nd half? It seemed like a lot.

a few stats:
Dez- 63 Rec, 928 yrds, 9TDs, 14.7 yrds/rec, 13 games started 15 games, 2 TDs in the 4th quarter

LR- 54 Rec, 858 yrds, 11TDs, 15.9yrds/rec, 4 games started, 14 games, 5 TDs in 4th Quarter

the only thing Dez didnt do is beat LR in total yardage and receptions, but he did it in 1 extra game and starting 13 games vs LR’s 4 games started. LR was more productive and clutch than Dez (and thats with Dez having an extra year to get on the same page as Romo). you may argue that Dez drew best coverage—GOOD RECEIVERS GET OPEN— that didnt stop Cruz, didnt stop Manningham.

Fixing a hole where the rain gets in

by Cowboys6thSB on Feb 17, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Laurent just as much as the next

boys fan but how many yrs has he been in this league now? He finally broke out this season so I wouldn’t break the bank for him but would luv to see him w/ a star next season.

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by DarkKnight88 on Feb 18, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

March 13th I believe

Optimissum Prime sees nothing but the best for America's Team!!!

by Cowboys_Attack on Feb 16, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

My man Vinny Curry is RISING!!!!

I told all of you a month ago don’t sleep on him. Curry is my second choice at pass rusher, so if we can’t/don’t get Ingram, I’d like to get Curry. Curry could potentially be a first rd pick if DeCastro is gone and he (Curry) has an really good showing at the Combine.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 9:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

While I'm not opposed to us taking a pass rusher in the first I would be more inclined to go

secondary due to the much bigger lack of talent there then in our Dline. As we stand right now we have backups who are probably going to be pushing for much more playing time on the Dline to inculde moving Rat over to de and promoting Brent or Lissemore. However if there isnt a clear first round talent left when we pick then by all means grab him up.

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by Cowboys_Attack on Feb 16, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

There's more of a talent drop off

In the pass rush class between the first two rounds and the rest of the draft, than there is at CB. You could potentially sit out the first CB run and still get a guy or two later on.

If a better player is there and a CB is also available, it’s more adviseable to take that better player.

We’ll have a better idea once Anthony Spencer’s situation is cleared up.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 9:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If all he gets is the franchise tag

It’s a one year deal.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Franchise tag would be the only way they keep him IMO.

If he get’s comparable long term offers from other team I believe he would prefer to leave Dallas. I am for Spencer and would like to see him back at the right price (no Franchise tag), but I don’t see it happening.

by DCB* on Feb 16, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I rather let Spencer walk than putting the franchise tag on him.

Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys

Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…

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by Antonio S on Feb 16, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree..
I am for Spencer and would like to see him back at the right price (no Franchise tag)

by DCB* on Feb 16, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

It was kind of a joke

9M for Spencer is too much, unless it’s over two years. Meaning that the Franchise tag is absurd for a player that’s good, but has a handful other players that can provide comprable value to the Cowboys. However, the 9M would be fine if it were over a two year deal.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cowboys

should draft him in the first if Coples, DeCastro and Kirk are gone. I’m tellin’ you man

by BrickTop on Feb 16, 2012 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm still convinced

Michael Brockers is prime candidate #1 to be this year’s first round bust at defensive tackle.

He can have all the talent in the world, but if he couldn’t put it together in the 27 games he played in the SEC, what makes anyone think he’s worth a first rd pick, let alone being considered the best DT prospect?

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 9:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

LOL worst part is he has the stats to back you up too.

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by Cowboys_Attack on Feb 16, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

If he had the stats to back up his first rd billing

I wouldn’t be out in front leading the anti-Brockers charge.

If the guy had produced like someone considered the best at his position, I would be one of those who wouldn’t complain about the pick.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Brockers is a pure potential prospect

kinda like Pirere-Paul, hit or miss

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by Terry on Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Giants got lucky and struck gold with JPP

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by Antonio S on Feb 16, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont think it was luck

they were picking high in a stocked draft class and they have a great GM who does his homework
I would kill to have Jerry, Jerry Reese that is

Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's

by Archie Barberio on Feb 16, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

How long till our Jerry kicks the bucket?

Cause that is the only way he gives up the GM duties

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by Antonio S on Feb 16, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh god why don't you and the Giants just get a room.

JPP was boom or bust, he only played one season of D-I football, if the Cowboys hit on a player like that it’d be because they get lucky, but if the Giants hit it’s because they did their homework. It’s never one or the other, part luck and part homework. JPP, Nate Solder, and plenty of other players were boom or bust and boomed, on the other hand there’s plenty of busts on that list too,

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Omar

Pierre-Paul wasn’t just a one year guy at South Florida, for two years prior he worked on his game and had big time production at the Juco level. If he hadn’t spent those two years at JC, he doesn’t even get a scholariship at South Florida.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He had a great year...

He is not going to surprise anyone next year though. Let’s see if he can put two great years together.

by TheCowboyFan on Feb 16, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, he only had one year of D-1 Football

At South Florida in a non BCS conference, lets stop acting like he was this sure fire player. He had great upside coming out of college, but there were concerns as well. No one’s pretending like he wasn’t good at JUCO nor that he wasn’t awesome at South Florida, furthermore no one’s pretending like he wasn’t a freakish athlete that had all the measurables you want. There were positives but there were also red flags, one year of production in a non-AQ conference is a pretty big red flag. That was my concern with Sanchez, only started 16 games in college. Turns out Sanchez was terrible and JPP’s a monster.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

The Big East is a BCS Conference Omar

Until something changes, the Big East winner gets an automatic birth into a BCS game. Same for the Pac-10, Big 10, Big 12, ACC.

South Florida plays in the Big East, therefore JPP who played at South Florida, played in an AQ Conference.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

SEC is also an AQ conference

Just throwing that out there just in case some comment happy person tries to tell me I forgot them.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

USF's in the Big East?!?!?!?

Hmmm…did not know that, even still the Big East is an AQ conference the same way the Vikings are an NFL team. Technically, but still…gross.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

USF has been in the Big East since 2005

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Really

Well color me surprised.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Terry

Pierre-Paul had production at the JUCO level for two yeara before going to South Florida were he flashed his potential.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Still...that's JUCO

Lots of guys can look good at JUCO yet not hack it in the NFL. I mean he definitely had the potential to be a very good player, but there were other possible outcomes too. There was a wide range of possibilities for JPP coming out of the draft.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots of guys have potential to be good

But not all of them use that potential and become productive.

The trick to not drafting a bust is finding those guys who showed both potential and production. The guys who only have potential as their selling point can get you fired because people remember it when swung and miss with them.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Obviously that's the trick.

The Big East still sucks, lots of people had JPP high (Mayock and McShay loved him) but lets stop pretending like this is what everyone expected. They took a risk on a player with a sky high ceiling, but a few minor red flags and they hit it out of the park. Obviously they felt that his technique and football skills would be enough to overcome those red flags and play in the NFL. Frankly I don’t think any TV talking head can judge that last aspect. That’s high level NFL pro-scouting and instances where the position coaches actually need to watch him play, combined with high level NFL amateur scouting and analytics.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

This was the discussion about Newton last year.

JUCO transfer with only 1 year at real competition.

by Rena on Feb 16, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, and I was high on Newton then as well.

Anytime a starting QB with Newton’s talents can go undefeated and win a National Title with the whole country doubting you, rooting against you, and calling for you to be ruled ineligible, I’m impressed.

That kid just balls out, blocks out all the noise and gets the job done. Tells me he works hard at his craft.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 5:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I admit I was completely wrong on

Cam, instead of doing my “due diligence” I followed the masses out of ignorance n said he wouldn’t amount to anything.. Big kudos to Cam for not listening to all that b.s n proving his doubters (me) wrong.

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by DarkKnight88 on Feb 16, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well by all means...

You’ve earned the right to brag, go for it. Two risk/reward guys that ended up being in the reward category.

by Omar Little on Feb 17, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

I’m not a huge follower of college football, but I didn’t hear one thing about Brockers until the championship game. I live in Louisiana. All I heard about was the honey badger.. no mention of a dominant lineman. This seems like one of those SEC bias fueled prospects. I’d stay away.

by BigDumbFace on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

no, he's the opposite of Spears

Spears was a very productive player at LSU but wasn’t a great athlete, Brockers is just the opposite. Great athlete, very little production

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by Terry on Feb 16, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

i mean in NFL

he’s going to be another solid player not more

by ratware on Feb 16, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

somebody is on the Melvin Ingram train!

Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's

by Archie Barberio on Feb 16, 2012 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

Kid is a great prospect

Doesn’t have the measureables that scouts love, but simply is a football playing dude as Parcells used to say

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 16, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Melvin Ingram and Vinny Curry

Who ever gets those guys, will be very happy. I hope we got one of them.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think everyone here likes Ingram

I have size concerns but that’s about it…how many prospects have zero concerns though?

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Ingram vs Curry

The concerns for Ingram: measurables and how do you use him in the NFL? He’s got the burst/explosion that Upshaw lacks, so I think he projects better.

The concerns for Curry: production in a non-BCS conference; same concerns people had for DeMarcus Ware. Hopefully Curry shows the strength, explosion and speed, because he’s got the length, and the height & weight to fit as 3-4 OLB.

I really like both these guys regardless.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well all these guys have worries.

I think Kalil is the only player I’d say take him and slap an A+ on that pick, DeCastro is up there but you always worry if he’ll be THAT good, as in good enough for a guard to justify a top 15 pick. I think he’ll be downright awesome, but awesome enough at guard to justify that top 15 pick? I really really really think he will be, but it’s not like I’d bet my life on it. You’re right about Ingram, for me him and Upshaw may as well be playing different games. Curry’s growing on me too.

by Omar Little on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed about DeCastro

For me Andrew Luck is that take him and slap an A+ on him. He’s got the physical tools, the mental make up, and the production to go with it. If he falls to 14, I’m on the phones trading Tony Romo for extra draft picks.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Decastro is a better player at his position

then anyone else outside of Luck, maybe Claiborne and maybe RG3.

So I would take him over Ingram any day

by burmafrd1944 on Feb 16, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think luck is getting set up for failure

I like the kid but I believe he is going to get thrown in way to fast and the drama with the team and peyton is gonna linger. There line us getting older and Saturday may not come.back and that will hurt luck. He has no receivers to make him shine and there defense isn’t very good. Peyton has a way of hiding there weaknesses luck doesn’t have that ability yet. I hope the best for him but if peyton leaves luck may be heading for disaster.

by Sado44 on Feb 16, 2012 4:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well at 14 the bar's a lot lower

I was talking anywhere in the draft, and specifically within the top three picks, as far as the A+ grade goes, however at 14 all these guys will get A plusses:

Matt Kalil
Andrew Luck
RGIII
Morris Claiborne
David DeCastro
Jonathan Martin

Probably others but I need to soak in some Ingram, Still, and Reiff.

by Omar Little on Feb 17, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Mayock = Recession

Here we go. More people making a living off opinions with no backbone.

Mayock makes a boatload of cash for what? Oooooohh! For doing exactly what we’re doing right now. Collaborative SPECULATION. Makes me kinda sick. No wonder our country has gone down the shitter. So many people not producing anything, yet still milking the cow.

by mfoster on Feb 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

I'm confused by his Kirkpatrick ranking.

If you’re Mike Mayock, a guy that is generally well respected, you’ve heard of Dre Kirkpatrick and are aware that nearly everyone has him as the second best CB behind Claiborne. So you take a look at him and for whatever reason you disagree, slotting him as the 5th best CB.

Since then, he’s had a drug charge come along and go away. Now he’s 2nd. I’d just like to know exactly what made him change his mind. I guess we don’t know how far Mayock had Kirkpatrick behind the other corners when he had him 5th, maybe it isn’t that much of a change. It just seems odd.

by BigDumbFace on Feb 16, 2012 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

I think the drug charge set Kirkpatrick's ranking down

All these ranking are going to change bunch of times from now until the draft.

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by Antonio S on Feb 16, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Those charges against Kirkpatrick were dropped

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 10:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I know.

I didn’t care that much about the charges anyway.

by BigDumbFace on Feb 16, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Mayock said during Senior Bowl week that those initial projections were before he really studied the tape on all the guys.

It was just an early projection but now he’s seen the tape & adjusted the rankings.

by Gen_cornrow_wallace on Feb 16, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I know this is not related and the excitement is now fading

but I think we still owe praise to Eli, the Giants and the Mara family. Eli’s ability to overcome his handicap and prove that high functioning retards have a place in professional sports in inspirational. Kudos.

by Eagles suck on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

Eli really is the Forest Gump of the NFL

"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11

by dave33 on Feb 16, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

And then one day...

I just felt like throw-ing…

by mfoster on Feb 16, 2012 11:30 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Last time I checked

Grossman didn’t dumb luck himself into success.

"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11

by dave33 on Feb 16, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That's an insult to high functioning mentally challenged people

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Eli looks dumb, but he made a 39 on the wonderlic.

Top 1% + he’s got 2 SB rings, not too shabby.

The only prefect science is hindsight............Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Feb 16, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

And he makes more $$$

than the rest of us put together. If that’s dumb, sign me up

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by tdships on Feb 16, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Signature!

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by dave33 on Feb 16, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

OCC

I think the reason Upshaw is grouped in with the LBs, he played as a pass rushing 34 OLB at Bama. He wasn’t a pass rushing defensive end like Coples, Ingram, Curry, Perry, and Branch.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 11:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Oh, I know that. It’s just that Mayock is thinking 4-3 in his groupings – guys are either DEs or LBs. I added the DE/OLB designation to that one group (Mayock has them only as “DE”) to indicate that some of the players there could be 3-4 OLBs as well. And Upshaw would be in that OLB group too.

by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 16, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I just noticed that

You had the OLB/DE designation and he didn’t.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 12:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's too bad WR Rico Wallace didn't get a combine invite

I think after his pro day at James Madison on March 16th he’s going to be a late riser up the board.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 11:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

i really would rather have hightower over luke and upshaw.

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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 16, 2012 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Andre branch

is my pet caaaatttttt. I love this kid…great against the run, good at the pass rush (doesnt have that many moves yet, but can learn), and most importantly, has a high motor. I’m upset mayock put him so high because I was hopiing he would fall some as others players rose up the board. But if this continues, he will be a late 1st rd pick. I definitely think this guy could step in right away and replace “Almost Anthony”

by Stickyfeet24 on Feb 16, 2012 3:57 PM CST reply actions  

Great against the run Good against the pass?

Another Anthony Spencer/Ahmad Brooks clone just like Courtney Upshaw.

No thanks, I’ll pass. Vinny Curry is better than Branch.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Feb 16, 2012 5:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

disagree about the comparison

Spencer has no motor and lacks explosion. I dont know much about Curry minus the hype but Branch has the speed and the strenght to be waht Spencer was suppose to be in our system. Branch could 6 sacks in his sleep…….imagine what he could do with 100% effort….I will give you a hint it will be more than a one sack differential between spencers 2010 and 2011 campaign. Right it doesnt matter because right now both curry and branch are still low on the draft board so the cowboys will either need to trade back or take them in the 2nd round to justify both those picks.

by Stickyfeet24 on Feb 16, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Fletcher Cox/Kendall Reyes

I was really hoping one of these guys was there in the second or third for the Cowboys. Looks that will not happen.

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by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 16, 2012 10:51 PM CST reply actions  

I think as of right now we need to try to go with DeCastro in the first round if he is still available

Then I think in the Second we might need to go with Trumaine Johnson. I can’t wait to see his numbers at the combine but I think he just needs to learn to play against better competition and is a future starter. Then I think Jonathan Massaquoi or Ben Jones in the Third round would be a good options. Jonathan Massaquoi should be able to develop into a good pass rusher. From what I hear maybe not a starter, but good to stick in on third down as another pass rusher and Ben Jones could be our Center if we don’t sign one in free agency. Also I think Stanford Routt is going to be a Cowboy, just based on the things I am hearing so this negates us needing a first round corner this year. I think this is also good value and positions that we will be needing in the near future.

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by ProBowlFactory on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

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