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NFL Writer: Cornerback Brandon Carr A Good Match For Dallas Cowboys

Brandon Carr: Able to leap tall quarterbacks in a single bound ...

CBSSports' Pete Prisco played matchmaker yesterday and matched up one top free agent with each NFL team. He didn't include players like Drew Brees and Calais Campbell who will either sign an extension with their team or get franchise tagged, but all other free agents were fair game.

With the Cowboys in need of help at cornerback, Prisco proposes Chiefs corner Brandon Carr as the best match:

Dallas Cowboys Best match: Brandon Carr

They have to improve their corner play. It was a big problem last season. Carr could step in and be an immediate help -- especially in man coverage.

At cornerback, Carr might be the No. 1 guy available, at least according Prisco. In his rankings of the top 50 free agents, Carr comes in at No. 2.

How often do good man-cover players in their prime hit the market? This kid is about to get paid. He is this high because he plays a premium position well. He turns 26 in May.

Young. Premium position. Good locker room guy. What more could you want?

Star-divide

Unfortunately, Carr also remains very high on the Chiefs list of offseason priorities. For the Chiefs, both Carr and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe are scheduled to become free agents. The Chiefs can only use the tag on one of them, time is running short and they are already publicly courting Raiders CB Stanford Routt .

This could be an opportunity for the Cowboys, but they're not the only suitors: By Prisco's estimate, Carr would also be the best match for the Panthers, Packers and Raiders.

And in a related note, Prisco sees Anthony Spencer as the best match for the Chargers:

San Diego Chargers Best Match: Cowboys OLB Anthony Spencer.

Where has the pass rush been the past few seasons? Spencer hasn't lived up to the hype, but he has the ability to rush from the outside at times. He could be a boom-or-bust signing.

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Playing Devils Advocate

The CB depth in this draft is deep, so why bust the bank on a FA when we can possibly get start talent in the first 3 rounds for us? I agree that this kid can play, and play in man coverage. I wouldnt be against the signing. Just a bummer that we spend our FA money where there is talent. I guess we can draft another guard or center with starting talent then!

by Oakster41 on Feb 17, 2012 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

because Dallas needs a bunch of CB's

if they release Newman, they would have Scandrick, Jenkins and Butler on the roster @ CB…and with Dallas wanting to go with the BPA approach in the draft there is no guarantee that that a Corner will be there….

or do you want another season of watching Newman…..

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 17, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

this way we don’t have to burn a high pick on a CB unless we feel like he’s the BPA. Also, CBs get dinged up a lot so it’s nice to have depth there. The teams in our division (and the best teams in the NFL) are all loaded at wideout. They can spread you out and wear you down

by somebodyquiet on Feb 17, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

If JG and Stephen do what they've said

They’ll definitely pick up a FA CB. The question is whether it’ll be a premium one like Carr or the next tier down.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Feb 17, 2012 3:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

A player that interests me is Trufant ...

He’s had some injury issues the past couple of season, but could be a good addition. Has a lot of experience and would be a cheaper option.

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 17, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Carr is a good corner but he'll end up getting paid like a great corner because of his age.

For this reason, I think the cowboys should pass. As you mentioned the CB class is very deep this year and we should be able to find a starter, even in round 2 or 3.

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I would still make the phone call and see how much it would cost

Can’t hurt to have him come in and see

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by Antonio S on Feb 17, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a problem

With expecting to get a starter in the draft. Draft is an unknown what it the top three are gone when we pick. I think you have to have knowns to be confident in the draft if we have two known 1&2 corners on the roster (not scandrik) it will lead to a better draft. This would allow you to trade your pick off and picked up extra and possible get the best Saftey in the draft and another second and we hold two 4ths so we could walk away with possibly 4 starters out of the draft if played right. You gotta have thinks working before draft. NFL teams can’t rely on the draft to fill a position when your in a situation where you have no one there to fill it.

by Sado44 on Feb 17, 2012 3:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Agree

However, some positions, thinking OL here, are much more conducive to plug & play draft picks.

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by tdships on Feb 17, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Oline is not a place to spend free agency cash we have guys who can play there but we have CB Saftey or olb as of right now so those are your prioitys

by Sado44 on Feb 17, 2012 5:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

While I agree with what you're saying ...

It’s also unwise to overpay for a player. He clearly is a good corner, but will end up getting paid like an elite corner, in which case I think the cowboys should look elsewhere. Would I be mad if the Cowboys signed him? No. What I’m saying is that seeing as how deep the CB class is this year, we would be able to sign a good corner in the draft, and we should probably look at cheaper CB options in free agency. This allows us to address other areas with our cap space, say Center for example, that we may have a more difficult time addressing in the draft.

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 17, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

define overpay..

Will it really matter with the cap going to increase so much the next few years.

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by thebigham on Feb 17, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Dead On Professor

Overpaying for a corner is a bad idea. Keep the money in the coffers for the players who are a known quantity. Laurent Robinson for example, or a good Center. A good offense can help a bad defense more than a good defense can help a bad offense.

Especially O-line. Those dudes can wear opponents out, so by the fourth quarter you can control the clock, keep the ball, take the lead with minimal time left. Good offensive lines crush your opponents morale and put a well rested defense on the field after a momentous score.

Run the football. Avoid 3 & long. Give the quarterback time to make plays in those &long situations.

by JannyDones on Feb 17, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

what stats did you use to come up with that sentence?
A good offense can help a bad defense more than a good defense can help a bad offense.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 18, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Just logic

Look you can give a bad offense the ball 1,000,000 times. They aren’t going to get better.

Defenses wear down. You keep those dudes on the field long enough and they get tired. When they get tired they make mistakes.

Offenses gain momentum the longer they can stay on the field and the more 3rd downs they convert.

Defenses do not gain momentum, the longer they are on the field. In fact we find the opposite.

Maybe its an overestimation of the power of time of possession.

But you could also make the case that the Giants didn’t get on their role until Eli started playing like the best Manning.

by JannyDones on Feb 21, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at the Giants secondary last year...

It was an absolute wreck at the start of the season. By week 15, I would have take Prince over ANY of our DBs. Point, CB come in and contribute

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Feb 19, 2012 10:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Carr would be my number 1 choice and I`d still draft a cb in rd 2

Free agent acquisitions
Cornerback Brandon Carr
Center Dan Koppen
Wide Receiver Laurent Robinson
Fullback Tony Fiammetta

Rd 1 Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
Rd 2 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
Rd 3 Ladarius Green TE La.-Lafayette
Rd 4 Mychal Kendricks ILB California
Rd 4 Lucas Nix OG Pittsburgh
Rd 5 B.J. Coleman QB Chattanooga
Rd 6 Neiko Thorpe FS Auburn
Rd 7 Dominique Hamilton DT Missouri

by ziggy19 on Feb 17, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

But, I would be pissed if they passed on DeCastro at 14

Other than that reasonable draft.

But, I go:

14. DeCastro
rd 2. Barron (maybe unlikely) or Chase Minnefield
rd 3. through 4 all good with me.

by JannyDones on Feb 17, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I am done with newman, but I think our starting corner is going to be drafted in the first 2 rounds, unless we sign a vet like this. It would be a good signing, but there is so much talent to choose from in the draft… it would be better to get the hard to find guys through FA. The big benefit is that Carr plays a tough man to man defense… just what we need.

by Oakster41 on Feb 17, 2012 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

I think a vet Corner is an excellent idea.

Sign Myers draft DeCastro and then Minnefield/Curry ?

I’d rather roll with a rookie pass rusher than a rookie starting corner.

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by thebigham on Feb 17, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

+ Peterson from last year
I’d rather roll with a rookie pass rusher than a rookie starting corner.

Pat Peterson is a great player (special teams) and an ok corner, but but great his rookie year….and i dont think any of the cb’s this year are as good as Peterson coming out of school.

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by BigBad Joe on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

And look at all the rookie pass rushers that had a huge immediate impact: Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Jabaal Sheard, Claybron, Kerrigan and Acho. All had 7+ sacks and 2+ forced fumbles.

Peterson was considered to be one of the better CB prospects in a while and was still getting abused by Dez in our game vs. them. Although he did have a great impact on special teams. I don’t think Kirkpatrick or Jenkins would be returning kicks for us.

by ATX Cowboy on Feb 17, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Peterson was more athletic & upside then actual production coming out of college

Peterson also played with a great pass rush & 2 other DBs that will be top 5 picks in college. i could see Caliborne or Kirpatrick would have way more impact as rookie then Peterson did at CB.
Petersons return skills pushed him up the board more then his actual skill at CB. i wouldn’t call Peterson a D.Hester type but i’m not sold on him being a shut down CB.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 17, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't look at 1 year

Think about a player’s career. PP will probably be an elite CB someday.

by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 18, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

he very well could be elite oneday but i dont think he was worth the a top 5 pick

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 18, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

not that i comment much here...

but ive been on the carr bandwagon for weeks now. i think he IS the perfect fit, espcially with tnew pretty much out. carr + a smart draft pick and the secondary goes from the weakest link to a reliable squad.

by rockkicker on Feb 17, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't be mad

but I think we could spend our FA money more wisely at another position. I still want a veteran CB, but a cheaper one.

There's always money in the banana stand.

by ary201 on Feb 17, 2012 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

This is exactly how I feel ...

I wouldn’t be mad if they signed Carr or Nicks but I think we’d end up overpaying for both, and the 2102 draft class is deep at both positions.

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 17, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

i want a vet CB but neither Carr or Fiinegan appeal at the price they’ll command on the open market. if the Chiefs pass on resigning Carr for Routt/cheaper option probably means the Cowboys should do the same.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 17, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm down with Carr

Dallas should sign at least one starting quality CB, and get a center, in FA. Carr, Routt, Finegan are all viable players for me. 29 is not too old for a CB, that should entail 3 good years

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by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2012 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

Definitely a good match, just not for our salary cap considering all our other needs.

I’m just not so sure they should go out and try to get all these top free agents. If we hadn’t done that in the past we might be in a better situation right now. IDK if Terrell Thomas is going to be available but I think he would be a good fit and be cost effective, maybe even Richard Marshall.

by DCB* on Feb 17, 2012 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

and safety where are good ones

dwight lowery would come relatively cheap, reggie nelson has improved and he’s the kind of center fielder this team needs, he wouldn’t be expensive, they could come with short contracts as well, michael griffin is other guy worth a look
regarding CB take a look at Tracy Porter, a solid guy who the cowboys liked when coming out of school he wouldn’t break the bank
by the way i never heard of red bryant, anyone knows if he offers pass rush?

by ratware on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM CST reply actions  

Red Bryant

is one of Seattle’s priorities… i heard they might franchise him.

by soul.rebel138 on Feb 17, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Great except for

the fact that KC has 3 times the free cap space Dallas does. If I were to go for a vet CB he’d be it no Q, but doubt he ever sees FA. I doubt Kirkpatrick makes it to 14 either—new CBs will be guys like Richard Marshall or Josh Norman, for better or worse.

by DB23 on Feb 17, 2012 2:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I would sign Carr in a blink.

I would also draft Dre and promptly move him to fs. That would stabalize the secondary for a good while. Draft a pass rusher and guard in the next 2 rounds..

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Feb 17, 2012 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

who says

Dre is a safety?? too many people on here automagically assume that because the skills translate on a Madden Franchise that anybody can do it….

by soul.rebel138 on Feb 17, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd want Kirpatrick at CB where his size can be utilized.

his size would be great playing press coverage

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 17, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

The reason people came up with idea of switching Dre

Is because the Cardinals did it before with Antrell Rolle.

Maybe it could work, maybe it won’t. None of us know for sure.

If we take him and move him to FS, I would hope he had ball hawk skills and knack for creating turnovers.

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by Rohpuri on Feb 17, 2012 2:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Rolle has good hands and made sense to move him

Dre doesn’t have good hands he can break up passes but we lack a Saftey that can catch how many int. Did Elam have and that’s what I feel like our Saftey problem is. Dre isn’t a ball catching guy he is a cover guy bad move there man.

by Sado44 on Feb 17, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yup I'm game.

Btw, I just re-watched some Alabama stuff…the first thing I noticed…Dre Kirkpatrick is a CB that hits like a safety, and isn’t afraid to tackle. You could play this guy anywhere, a chess piece DB. If he’s there at 14, I won’t complain. We need a DB like him. We need
toughness and playmaking, he’s got it.

I can’t make up my mind as to who I want more right now at #14 Dre, DeCastro, Ingram, Jenkins. I just

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by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 2:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I just can't wait to see to see who we pick

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by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 2:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

+1 on Kirpatrick

i’ve been really critical about Dre’s past problems but he doesn’t seem to be the PacMan type. Dre is an excellent tackler & will give this secondary a physical presence it’s lacked for awhile.
CB would be more value but if the coaches like him at safety later down the road then i wouldn’t have any problems

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 18, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

a 6'3 CB that hits like a Safety...?

Yes, please.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Feb 19, 2012 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and just as many

assume he can’t make the switch

Dallas Defense = Cowboys from Hell

by DEL1SLE on Feb 17, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

and the point about Madden is absurd

no one on here bases projecting players to different positions because of Madden, this community is a lot smarter than that. Who’s to say Dre can’t do it? Is he good in zone coverage? Check. Is he a solid tackler? Check. Does he have the size? Check. Now I’m not saying he’s a safety, but he has the skill set to play safety. Just because Alan Ball failed to transition doesn’t mean no one else can’t.

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by DEL1SLE on Feb 17, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Very well said!
no one on here bases projecting players to different positions because of Madden, this community is a lot smarter than that

You make many a valid point my man!

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by Cowboys_Attack on Feb 17, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't play Madden. I don't care about Madden. Madden scouting reports mean nothing to me.

There are two cb’s who’s game translated to fs. Gilmore and Dre.

Jerry is the end all in Dallas.

by football mensa on Feb 17, 2012 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed

Dre would make a great safety.

Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR

by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 2:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Im no scout but...

How close is Finnegans play to Carrs? I think we need Finnegans aggressiveness to this defense.

by Professor1 on Feb 17, 2012 2:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I have no preference

I would be stoked if we signed either corner. They are both good corners, I would luv to have Finnegan aggressive style. But I also recognize that Carr is 2 yrs younger and he also is 2 inches taller, so like I said if we signed either guy I would be happy.

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by Ihatethesaints on Feb 17, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

most people would...

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by thebigham on Feb 19, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

correct

But most importantly he is also the guy that got Andre Johnson kicked out that game, too bad he got ejected too. If I had to guess though I would think losing your #1 cb for a game would be just fine with a team, if the # 1 wr/ Texans most dangerous weapon is also out the game.

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by Ihatethesaints on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I would love to see this happen, personally....

Young, able, and a serious need on the squad, but what will his price tag be is the question, and like DB23 said, the KC cap situation is a favorable one. They have lots of room, and I am sure staying put is a preference for Carr. I also like the option of drafting Kirkpatrick as well, if DeCastro was gone at 14, to couple with Carr if we were able to land him. Lots of possibilities out there, including Finnegan as a potential FA DB. Can’t wait for the draft, myself.

by jsrdc on Feb 17, 2012 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

Upgrade O-line in FA

Take care of the need upfront with Nicks and/or Myers and attack the defense through the draft. We have enough young guys in front of Romo. A couple of veterans to reign in those kids would be a better fit. Let the youngsters learn for a season or two. Speed, youth and aggressiveness on the D is a more attractive scenario…

by REAP IT on Feb 17, 2012 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

what are the chances on either of these guys coming to Dallas?

Yes we do have quite a bit of youth on the O-line, but more leadership and nastiness is needed, and both of these FA’s would help to fit the bill. I would love to have one (or both) of these guys, as both are highly lauded, and will have plenty of suitors beyond their current teams. Getting both would put pressure on the cap situation. DeCastro is a great pickup if the Cowboys can’t land Nicks. Myers would be a great pickup, and then if DeCastro is available at 14, having both of those players on the squad would be great – that really bolsters the O-line where you have 4 of the 5 starters basically penciled in. Then rounds 2 and beyond would be for all the rest of the player positions of need. There are so many potential outcomes, but either way, I do expect a tougher and more competitive 2012 Dallas team.

by jsrdc on Feb 17, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Watched ESPN this morning at 2am

They showed 8-9 teams who are between 40 and 60 million UNDER that cap. Most are teams with a lot of needs, so in my head I am wondering between franchise tags and these other teams how are we going to sign any FA who are worth a darn and not pay them over the top money just to outbid these teams with so much cap room???

And this from KFFL:
Dallas Cowboys DE Jason Hatcher said he is not sure who the leaders are on the team and believes that the team needs to find a leader this offseason. Hatcher said the team has all the talent to win but needs a leader to get behind

I agree- we need a person who will rally the troops, a leader to whip the dogs into a focused frenzy!!! Hatcher nailed it!

by LiveNDieBlue on Feb 17, 2012 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Hatcher should grab the bull by the horns & step up lol.

i hate it when players/employees point fingers instead of stepping up. Tuck wasnt the type of guy to take on that roll when Strahan left but he did it to better the team.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 17, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Only a guy whose not a natural leader would speak out.

If he was a leader, he’d speak up in front of his teammates, and tell em how he feels, and let em know anything they say about or to each other stays within the four corners of the lockerroom.

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by Rohpuri on Feb 17, 2012 3:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

thats what i was getting at instead of telling what the team they needed to just do his job

and the others will follow

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 18, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Lee

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by thebigham on Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

i dont see Dallas signing any of the top FAs.

the main reason Jerry didn’t mind signing Nnamdi was he could play CB well & he’d also sell a ton of jerseys. it’s not like the 90s when Dallas signed Primetime from the 49ers & i have huge hunch Jerry knew Philly was intrested in Nnamdi also.
signing Carr or Finnergan would only upgrade the CB position & imo thats not enough for Jerry to spend half the 20 million in cap space.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 17, 2012 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

dont give jerry too much credit

I dont think he meant to cause philly to overspend for Nnamdi. He just got outplayed. In hindsight it was a good nondeal for us.

by Professor1 on Feb 17, 2012 2:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i wasn't giving Jerry credit

i was just saying i’m sure Jerry knew who was bidding against him. Jerry could’ve offered more then Philliy, who knows but i wouldn’t call players picking other teams getting out played.

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 18, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

There will hopefully be more with restructuring and cuts.....

Large signing bonuses would allow FA’s to come to Dallas, and still be able to have some flexibility with the cap. The ownership will be as creative as possible, and hopefully some more contracts will be able to be re-structured to further open up the $ to sign some FA players along with the cuts, but there has to be some intelligence along those lines. The Cowboys can’t mortgage the future with FA contracts, and shoot themselves in the foot, either. Time will tell, but this is all pretty exciting, and I can’t wait to see the new-look Cowboys once the draft and FA is over.

by jsrdc on Feb 17, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You could sign

Nicks AND a top corner and not spend more than 10 mil in 2012 cap space with proper contract construction. That would leave 13 mil for other signings. We can’t keep signing these JAGS and hope to win the SB. We no longer have a #1 CB. We need one. We need a dominant guard so we can have half a chance at scoring a rushing TD in the red zone. People need to stop worrying about the cap and get a couple of top FAs in here. If we have to lose Robinson or Fiametta, so be it. We can get another 3rd down WR and FB fairly easily. They may already be on the roster.

by jevans1729 on Feb 17, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Well we can't just stop worrying about cap ...

And the guys you mentioned, Robinson and Fiametta, wouldn’t eat up much cap space. So I don’t know quite what you’re getting at …

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 17, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Also what's a JAG?

Sorry I’m not familiar with this term

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 17, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard it described as “Just A Guy” rather than average guy, same differnce

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by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

What I meant about

the cap is that some people either don’t know or forget that signing bonuses are guranteed and paid in the year the contract is signed but salaries are not guranteed. Take the Logan Mankins 2011 contract. Mankins got 51 mil over 6 years with 30 mil guranteed and a 20 mil signing bonus. The cap hit for 2011 was 4.8+ mil and for 2012 6.3+ mil even though the mathematical average annual payment averages out to 8.5 mil. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/logan-mankins/ The contract is backloaded with salary that is not guranteed so actually New England really can get out of the contract after the 30 mil gurantee is done.

by jevans1729 on Feb 17, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Can the team afford Myers/Wells, L. Robinson, Fiamette, Spencer, and Carr, plus a backup QB?

Then, they’re drafting DeCastro, Minnefield, and DE and OLB. That’s fixing A LOT of holes in one season, and seems a bit unrealistic.

But I remain hopeful.

by jazzbo251 on Feb 17, 2012 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

Too many needs

It’s unrealistic to assume all Dallas’ needs will be met this off-season. The Boys should make sure they address the most critical positions—-DB and O-line. FA and the draft will get at least three immediate starters for those areas. The reason Romo and company were home watching the playoffs can be traced back to those two positions. Plug the biggest holes first and the rest will fall into place in due time. No team is perfect. Everyone has needs.

by REAP IT on Feb 17, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

REAP IT, you are right on. Every team has weak areas, and it is well known that the Cowboys have long-time issues at DB, and at the O-line, even though the O-line was addressed last year, although not completely. OLB, QB, and DE also need to be addressed, but like you said, address the largest concerns first, and move forward from there. A good secondary will boost the pass rush production, and vice-versa. Good O-line play will boost the Run game, which in turn supports the passing game, and vice-versa. The Cowboys are due, and hopefully in the very near future, they get back to and win the SB.

by jsrdc on Feb 17, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Carr or Spencer

and one of the Cs + Laurent might be doable. Fiametta is not expensive and back up QB can be had for $1-2 mil if you’re not too picky.

by DB23 on Feb 17, 2012 4:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The question

is he worth the money? Is he a number one corner? If so, you give him a market contract. We can’t cover the Philly and Giant WRs with JAG corners. It’s not going to happen.

by jevans1729 on Feb 17, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

i say we get our corners in this draft

that’s why i suggest not jag’s but solid corners to play until the youngsters develop

by ratware on Feb 18, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Spencer should be gone

He’s a decent player but not worth 8-9 million. That’s what it will cost to keep him. Besides, we have enough run-stuffers. If he was a better pass-rusher I could see keeping him. Need more speed on the outside.

by REAP IT on Feb 17, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see many Chiefs games.

So I don’t really know how good this guy is, but at 26 years old if he is as good as people seem to think, he could possibly command the kind of money that Nicks or Mario Williams would want. I don’t anticipate the Cowboys spending that kind of money on one player in FA. I think it’s the right decision.

by BigDumbFace on Feb 17, 2012 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

Sign Carr and Mike Adams. Draft Decastro in the first, and if neccessary move up from our second round pick to get Vinny Curry. BOOM! Secondary fixed, better pass rush, and now you have two future all-pro Offensive linemen in your team.

by LilZtretch on Feb 17, 2012 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

I don't want a garbage Browns safety

We already went through that last year with everyone’s favorite FA Abe Elam, how’d thar work out again?

Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR

by Rohpuri on Feb 17, 2012 3:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Iloka or Martin

In rd 2?

Other available FAs not exactly inspiring…

by DB23 on Feb 17, 2012 4:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Iloka is

a very interesting pick in the second round.

by jevans1729 on Feb 17, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Xcelent size, runs a 4.5 and has played some corner. Looks like a guy who isnt lost with his back to scrimage & who’d add a lot of flexibility.

by DB23 on Feb 17, 2012 6:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I would be thrilled

if we signed care but I doubt we land him
he wants serious money and a lot of teams will be gunning for him
this is why we may have to use the draft to solve the cb issues or settle for the 2nd or 3rd options in FA

Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's

by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 3:17 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Isn't Lardarius Webb from Baltimore a RFA?

It would like for the Cowboys to target him and Carr in FA and sign one or the other.

by Nets2410 on Feb 17, 2012 3:21 PM CST reply actions  

It's going to cost us draft pick(s) to get LaDarius Webb

though.

Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR

by Rohpuri on Feb 17, 2012 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That and Baltimore will probably end up matching whatever we offer anyways ...

Unless we make a ridiculously high offer, in which case we overpay and lose a pick

by Professor Ch@os on Feb 17, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

If you look at it from this perspective-

Newman’s paycheck essentially get’s handed to Carr… Younger and Better? Sounds too simple boys. If he’s good in the locker room as well, that’s Garretts “Right Kind of Guy”
We have a battle tested DB, and with CB’s being deep in the draft… gives Front Office a little easier wiggle room.

by Baloo. on Feb 17, 2012 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

+1

Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play

by Ihatethesaints on Feb 17, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

There you go.

You can then structure the contract so that the 2012 cap hit is minimal since he will get his entire signing bonus in 2012.Then you go and sign Nicks the same way. Then you go to the draft and get DeCastro and Iloka or Vinny Curry in the second round. Simple.

by jevans1729 on Feb 17, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

This is not moneyball

If you want elite talent you have to be willing to pay for it, do we need to be reminded what happened to our secondary at the end of last year. Only negatives I can find about Carr is that he is short and the fact that he’s not the best corner on his own team, but he is a great cover corner long as he is not defending Megatron every week and imo Brandon Flowers is the best corner in the league right now. We can’t depend on all our corners to come from the draft, just keep Prince Amukamara’s name in mind the transition is not easy. Having a young proven corner like Brandon Carr is a great thing, the guy is only 26 stop being so cheap we are trying to upgrade the secondary not settle for subpar.

Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play

by Ihatethesaints on Feb 17, 2012 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry

I thought the guy was 5’10 not 6 feet, well I have pretty much nothing negative to say about him then.

Texas Stadium has a hole in its roof so God can watch his favorite team play

by Ihatethesaints on Feb 17, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Money, money, money

Can’t break the bank on one player…

by REAP IT on Feb 17, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

It isn't about being cheap - it is about getting the best players given the cap situation

I like Carr quite a bit, but is there an option out there that will produce close to or equal to a price less than what Carr will demand? If they end up franchising Spencer (which I hope they don’t) that is a large amount of $ towards the cap. I would hope they replace Spencer with a rookie who has a high motor, or a proven pro, even possibly stay withing an promote Victor Butler who simply won’t cost that much. There are so many positions of need, CB being one of the main needs, but can you break the bank with Carr and fill the major holes needed? I agree, he is a good young player, but the question becomes can the team afford him? I know the team can’t afford to not address it this year, but depending on his contract demands, he very well could be priced way to high for the Cowboys.

by jsrdc on Feb 17, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

bingo!

Imo, Boys NEED so sign at least a ‘competitive’ corner in FA cuz they need 2 or 3. You can still go any direction in the 1st rd. If they don’t sign a good CB, they almost HAVE TO in the 1st.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Feb 19, 2012 2:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

here is my suggestion, adress needs without breaking the band, short contracts, this guys will help to transition

and not more unless they end being really good for us. here it is
sign dwight lowery or reggie nelson, i like more lowery, contract for 3-4 years 12-15million not more and i think i’m being geneorus
tracy porter same kind of contract, aaron ross for 3 years 8 million worst case,
d’qwell jakson one year deal if he accepts, worst case channing crowder
if possible grab either center the one of the texans or the one of green bay

by ratware on Feb 17, 2012 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

ratware, good suggestions at CB, but Nelson and Lowery at S?

Tracy Porter is a possibility, as is Aaron Ross. Porter seems to be fairly injury-prone, as is Ross, although Ross had his best year as a pro this past season. He was forced to step in for Thomas when he went down, and he stepped in admirably. I hear Crowder is basically a lock for Atlanta with Mike Nolan now there, but it would be nice to be able to bring him in at a very good price. He is a MLB, so he and Carter would be battling it out. The Center from the Texans (Myers) is likely on the Cowboy’s radar, but he will likely be on many radars. Lowery, and Nelson – both seem to be basically average players (although Nelson had a pretty good year with Cinci), and do the Cowboys really want to bring in average players at the S position? The Cowboys are in need of CB and S, but but more specifically CB’s, and Lowery and Nelson are both safeties. I don’t know – Elam and Sensabaugh seem to be as good or better than those two, but just my opinion.

by jsrdc on Feb 17, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

i think dwith lowery offers flexibility and yeah they're average players but as i said i see them

as players who will help this team to transition, actually i think they’re slightly above average but i’m drinking kool aid and supposing our team is headed in the right direction and by the time the contracts of these guys finish there will be a younger player ready to step up, my optimistic projection would be either of those players would start this year but by the next they will be come solid backups replaced by some of the team draft draft picks

by ratware on Feb 18, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Carr is the Free Agent CB I'd most want

Good skills, good size, young. This is the kind of player I have no problem handing a big money contract to.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 17, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions  

With you 100%

But I think other teams are thinking the same thing… other teams with a lot more money to spend.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Feb 19, 2012 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

this is where the Spencer folks need to enlighten me

franchise Spencer, or sign a CB like this?
I am taking the CB all day everyday and drafting a pass rusher

Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's

by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think anyone is saying to franchise spencer

but resign at an avg contract

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Feb 17, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok chia here i am

I’m your Spencer guy. Now listen very very closely sign Carr over franchising Spencer all day every damn day. The upgrade in the backfield will help a rookie or butler ease into the starting roll on solb. But if you wanna go jag in the backfield Spencer needs to get payed its one.or the other but paying a top teir corner trumps all love I have for Spencer. Is that fair enough chia.

by Sado44 on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

fair enough

Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's

by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's my solution

1) Let Spencer go
2) Use that money on one of the following: Nicks, Finnegan, Carr, Mario.
3) Draft BPA of G/Pass Rusher/DB in early rounds.

Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR

by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 2:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd take that

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Feb 19, 2012 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

There was a recent post

Contending DAL would only Tag Spencer with the understanding it would lead to a cheaper, long-term deal. Along the lines of what we did with Flo and Hamlin prior. How the caponomics work is for someone with a better understanding of that than I.

'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5

by tdships on Feb 18, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

please sign Carr over Spencer

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 18, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

If Franchising Spencer knocks us out of the running for any CB worth having, its a mistake.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Feb 19, 2012 3:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

man

if I was a KC fan, I would love to edit that picture of Carr
lol
you could have fun with photoshop on that

Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's

by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 1:41 AM CST reply actions  

I'm getting excited about Dre Kirkpatrick man

If you could play him at FS or CB starting day one where would you put him?

I’m thinking draft him with the idea of him flying around as a center fielder FS and come back in rounds two or three and get another CB to play the outside. I would like that.

Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR

by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 2:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i'd put him where ever the coaches thought he could help the most

Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.

by DCNation73 on Feb 18, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

What if you could get dre and dennard

Would you let them compete for the fs job or assume dennard is your Saftey Dre is your corner. Dre excites me alot but he can’t catch a football. Not that om gonna complain cause he can knock it away all day long just don’t expect many turnovers on his side. That does worry me replacing Newman’s 4-6 a year with Dre possibly 1 and Jenkins doesn’t seem to get his hands on many either we know our fs hasn’t caught a ball in like 4 years now and counting. Just saying is all.

by Sado44 on Feb 18, 2012 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

FA signings I want...

Not possible to get them all.

Nicks
Carr
Porter
Mario Williams (If not franchise tagged)

Then in draft go with Dre, DeCastro, Jenkins, Ingram, or Coples. Then 2nd round Gilmore or Minnifield.

Linning and Winning!

by Joe21 on Feb 18, 2012 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

A little Off Topic, but can someone tell me,

Are we getting a compensitory pick this year? I heard it on a local Md./ Pa. sports talk show and thought I saw it mentioned here. I think it was supposed to be for Bowen.
Or am I just ready for the rubber room?? LOL

by Willy H on Feb 18, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

I don’t think your two questions are necessarily mutually exclusive. But yes, the Cowboys are likely to get a comp pick for Bowen.

by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 18, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA,

Thanks OCC, you may be right!!

From what I read, it may be a fourth.
How is this determined?

by Willy H on Feb 18, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

what about bringing in Ahmad Brooks at OLB and letting Spencer walk?

I have discussed this on other posts. Brooks is an under the radar UFA who had a very nice season in SF, and has already balked at a long term deal SF offered him. Pay him 9 mil over 4 years with incentives for production, and bring him to Dallas. I am just done with Spencer. If they keep him, maybe RR gets him to perform with a full off-season and getting him more comfortable with the scheme, but I just think he has the mental capacity to be a game changer. I think he is too comfortable in his role as not being the top dog, and plays to that level way too much. Just my opinion, but I think it is time for Spencer to be let go. Your opinions on this are welcomed.

by jsrdc on Feb 18, 2012 10:30 PM CST reply actions  

Opponents talk - that is what they do

Are you more interested in what a player says about a player on your team while on another squad, or what he can do for you when ON your team? There haven’t been many opponents who have said nice things about Romo. I am sure just about every veteran DB in the league has said or thought negative things about Romo. I also recall that game against SF early in the season where Romo came back from a rib injury and torched the D to win the game. That will usually bring out negative comments about him from sore losers. When you are the QB for the Cowboys, that type of scrutiny is inevitable, but it is Romo who dictates his success, along with his teammates. Bring in Brooks, and watch how quickly he changes his tune when he is on the same team and sees how hard Romo works.

by jsrdc on Feb 19, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

ahmad brooks was?

You sure it wasn’t ahmad bradshaw?

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Feb 19, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops - my bad.....

Check that – I DON’T think Spencer has the metal capacity to be a game changer

by jsrdc on Feb 18, 2012 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

When the offers start to fly in for Carr

Just don’t think we can keep up. He’s gonna get HUGE money. Don’t think the Cowboys can do huge money. Need to find a solid starter for a solid starter’s price.

He's good, but he's no Danny White!

by Shaymer on Feb 19, 2012 3:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

shaymer, can't agree with you more.

Carr, who will likely stay with KC, IMO, will get a huge contract, and Dallas won’t be able to match the type of money he is going to command. KC has a lot of cap room to play with to keep him, and best case scenario for him and his family is likely to stay in KC. Having said that, Routt just signed in KC for 19.6,mil, so maybe car gets franchised, and they have to work on a new contract for Bowe to keep him around. I, for one, like Finnegan,, and hope he can come to Dallas at a reasonable price. Others would be Aaron Ross, or possibly Lardarius Webb. If DeCastro is off the board at 14, maybe Kirkpatrick gets drafted by the Cowboys, and one piece of the secondary puzzle is done.

by jsrdc on Feb 20, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

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