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An open letter response to Jason Hatcher (and other underachieving *&^%$# players on the Dallas Cowboys)
Dear Mr. Jason Hatcher,
It has come to my attention that you believe that the Cowboys lack team leaders capable of unifying the team. During a radio interview on the Ben and Skin Show on 103.3 FM ESPN Dallas (http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4690213/jason-hatcher-dont-know-who-cowboys-leaders-are), you noted that the Dallas Cowboys lack a leader that inspires every player to consistently attain their highest level of performance: from play to play, game to game, and season to season.
While it is understandable that a player like Ray Lewis does not have a locker at Valley Ranch, because leaders of that ilk are rare and truly unique, I cannot help but wonder why you would voice your opinion in such a manner on a local radio station that is broadcast nationally via ESPN. The firestorm of controversy and criticism that you have certainly ignited when no other significant NFL story is taking place is nothing short of irresponsible.
Through your words today, did you hope to unify a locker room that you reported does not have a singular focus behind an individual team leader? If not, then how could you see this as anything but contributing to the problem you outlined?
If so, I find your method simplistic and poorly conceived. It does, however, bring to light that if you truly felt that the Dallas Cowboys needed a singular voice to unite the individual players wearing the once vaunted star on their helmet, that you have not assumed responsibility to fill that hole yourself. In essence, by highlighting the problem, you have exposed yourself as nothing but a follower believing that he needs a leader to reach the apex of his potential.
Instead of passing the accountability of leadership upon another player, would it not have been far more fruitful to assume the mantle of leadership and direct the players with which you currently share the field towards the unifying goal of a Super Bowl Championship? If you felt that the burden of leadership was too much for you to bear, as an alternative to whining about a lack of a unifying voice, could you not have at least assisted another stronger leader on the team to establish such a voice?
No. Instead of taking accountability for the shortfalls of the team, and by extension yourself, Jason, you chose to pass out blame. Your interview began by throwing the cornerbacks under the bus. You then gave the safeties co-responsibility with the cornerbacks for the demise of the 2011 regular season.
Strong leaders do not publicly dole out blame, but rather fight to offer solutions and achieve positive results. Obviously, Mr. Hatcher, you lack the ability to be a true leader, further illuminating the true problem with this edition of the Dallas Cowboys: players such as yourself that consider themselves separate from the problem.
In this case, if you are not part of the solution, you are most definitely part of the problem. As you may have correctly interpreted, I am no longer just singling you out as the smoldering ember responsible for the ignominious flame-outs of seasons past. Unfortunately, you are not alone in contributing to this epidemic of failure and lack of responsibility.
Having experienced athletic success at an elite level of competition, it is difficult for me to comprehend the need you express for a teammate to bring out your best. Seeing players like DeMarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, Sean Lee, Tony Romo, and Jason Witten consistently achieve the pinnacle of athletic performance, however, leads me to believe that not all players on this edition of the Dallas Cowboys require a cohort to push them towards excellence.
It was shameful to see players such as yourself put in subpar performances to end 2008, to begin 2010, and to close out this latest season and blame a lack of leadership for their professional deficits. Your (plural) lack of effort cost several coaches their positions on the team, led to the criticism of your teammates, and cost you (singular) millions of dollars.
A recognized leader noted that there was a sense of entitlement on this team. He was only partially correct: there is a serious lack of personal responsibility also. Unfortunately, players such as he will probably not have another chance to win a championship here in Dallas.
I am sure that in your mind, his plight is not your fault, Mr. Hatcher, but rather the outcome to be expected when leadership is unable to properly induce athletic excellence from lesser talented players. But regardless of what you may believe, underachieving, making excuses, passing blame, refusing responsibility and most of all, losing is your lasting legacy.
Congratulations on fulfilling your potential and legacy.
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My attitude is, we’re one Corner Back away from not having to answer questions about leadership. Leadership is a phantom you chase in lieu of winning
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2012 5:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was dissapointed when i saw that
Hatcher should never throw his team under the bus like that. Instead of saying that be the leader smh. Lost alot of cool points by fans
by CowboyWay on Feb 17, 2012 6:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hatcher sounds unhappy with something in the locker room
I wonder if there’s more to this, otherwise he’s just being a pinhead.
#demarcusvstheworld
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 17, 2012 7:22 PM CST reply actions
This is disheartening and points to some real rot on this team. I'm sure a whole
bunch of fans and media will make this about Romo (because when don’t they?), but. more to the point, how is he going to look DWare and Ratliff in the face? What about the guys who are probably done, but who many have long considered leaders: Bradie James, Keith Brooking, Newman? He threw the entire team under the bus, but it’s got to be way rougher for the defensive leaders. As you point out, he doesn’t even seem to perceive his own role in it.
Here’s the thing; if I go out and publicly dis the company I work for, what happens? What does my boss do to me? How does the team respond? I think this is really bad.
To illustrate:
This article brings up Warren Sapp’s call out of DWare’s leadership in relation to Hatcher’s comments. Are Hatcher and Ware going to be best buds after this? I can’t stand disunity on this team.
Wouldn't be surprised if Ratliff has to be held back by Ware from trying to rip Hatcher's head off at the first OTA
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
I think he'll get a knock on the door...if he hasn't already.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
I would love to see some pride swell up in ota's.
Where is Rat in all of this. This team is full of soft nice guys. Losers too.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 18, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Do you like snow cones?
Maybe you should get a snow cone. It may make you feel better. It’s just that you are always so gloomy, so I thought that maybe a snow cone would help.
by jazzbo251 on Feb 19, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You never know.
Sometimes this kinda stuff can turn out to be a real positive turning point where guys get stuff out in the open and turn things completely around. I have seen it happen elsewhere…
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
why do some athletes feel they need to say anything about things like this
stupid stupid stupid
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 17, 2012 8:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
JG & RR should be cutting people like Hatcher!
Yes I know it creates another hole but it would be far better than letting a cavity like him ruin the core of this team! Negativity breads like a fire in dry grass! Cut Hatch and don’t look back; he doesn’t deserve to ware the Star!!!!!
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Feb 17, 2012 8:45 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Hatcher is an RKG who also doesn't produce. All these clowns need to go!
Strong leaders do not publicly dole out blame, but rather fight to offer solutions and achieve positive results. Obviously, Mr. Hatcher, you lack the ability to be a true leader, further illuminating the true problem with this edition of the Dallas Cowboys: players such as yourself that consider themselves separate from the problem.
AMEN BROTHER!
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
so mad?
These topics and Rumors been floating out about this team..
Now it has finally bubble up to the surface. Hey these nfl anaylist been saying it for years this team lacks leadership now a RKG finally comes out and admit it.
Now you want to get mad at Sapp because he doesnt have on those rose color dallas cowboys shades like you wear?
by lostar2009 on Feb 18, 2012 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Should say Hatcher is a WKG
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 19, 2012 3:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
NFL
Network, ESPN, and of course every Dallas beat writer will have so much “input” on this now. Ware, Witten, Romo, Lee, and Ratliff all lead by example. Even Dez screams and motivates players on the bench. Remember when the Giants were getting stomped by the Saints and Tuck and everyone else were moping on the bench doing their own thing? They still won a SuperBowl. Having a team leader is a myth.
by BrickTop on Feb 17, 2012 10:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
when Dez shows emotion like that
its called acting out
idk why, but people react negatively to Dez when he does that
not me, personally I love it because I love passion for the game, Dez goes harder than anyone on this team
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
I love seeing it
With all the intensity going on its good to have a guy keeping you pumped.
by BrickTop on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
dude
he gets me pumped up and I am just watching the game
his emotion and passion just make me want to kill people for him out there on the field
I dont think everyone has that, they are just born with it
if we had 11 more Dez Bryant’s with that type of emotion and passion for the game, this defense would be amazing
I dont know how you couldn’t get pumped up on the sideline when you see a guy wanting to win that badly
this is a fact, not everyone loves football, yes they are good at it and play it for a living, but not everyone loves the game
Dez is the ultimate competitor, he thrives off competition
idk I guess I only see this and a few others, but most say Dez is being a distraction and immature but if he was on the Giants acting like that, people would rave about him for that type of behavior
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
I love Dez.
I would love if Sean Lee did some stuff like that after he lays people out. He doesn’t, but that doesn’t make him any less of a badass.
by BrickTop on Feb 17, 2012 11:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he's just not like that
but he was vocal at Penn State, once he gets comfortable in Dallas, he will be very vocal
he is just more of a laid back guy, doesnt mean he is soft or anything
same with Ware, not very vocal, but I think Lee has the vocal leadership in him, he is just waiting for the right time to step up
he probably felt that he couldnt do that with Brooking and James there, with them gone he will be the man now
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree Lee will become more vocal once he settle down in Dallas.
He probably dont want to step on Brooking and James toes.
by lostar2009 on Feb 18, 2012 10:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that is exactly why I think he didnt step up
he didnt want to disrespect them
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
well Dez is my favorite player
whenever he does something good, it goes from a 5 to a 10 in my house
when he is bobbing and shaking his head after a catch it just gets me pumped
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
While Dez is good (and your favorite)
he does NOT go hard on every play. There are more than a few times he doesn’t finish routes. There is obvious evidence he doesn’t understand when to do what on option routes.
I think he will get it and I believe he will work hard when the chips are up . . . let’s see what kind of leader he becomes.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 18, 2012 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
He's been the only guy to show some real heart in some of the bad losses this year.
Romo too, through his actions, but Dez even more.
After that, Nada on this team.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Feb 19, 2012 1:20 AM CST up reply actions
for the most part
Ratliff Spears and Romo have that intensity
Spears is very emotional and passionate, he hates losing, same as Ratliff
Romo is very intense and when he talks I listen, if I was a OL and I heard him ask the trainers if the guy caught the ball after breaking his clavicle, that would make want to run through a brick wall for that guy
ever since that Giants game and 49ers game, I will never question a man’s toughness and compassion for the game
those two moments will really stay with me for the rest of my life
that is why I want Romo to succeed and win a super bowl in the worst way, the guy just wants it sooooo much
I think a lot of people outside of Cowboys nation, fans of other teams will never admit it, but after seeing that they know that Romo has major heart and intensity and they would love for their QB to have the same attributes, they would just never admit it because for whatever reason, Romo is the most hated on athlete outside of Lebron
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I agree man
Romo leaves it all on the field. I bet you any team and coach has mad respect for Romo. Especially with all the crap he has to put up with. Even Witten lets out a few cuss words on live TV haha
by BrickTop on Feb 17, 2012 11:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Witten has that Dez type of passion too
he is a totally different person on the field, he goes from a nice guy to a warrior
he was so mad this year on Thanksgiving when he kept running into people on the sideline,remember how mad he was
the one time he was like “GET THE F OUTTA MY WAY MOOOOOOOOOOVE!”
then he almost kills that poor cheerleader
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
2010
in Houston, Dez makes a sick catch and destroys this camera guy on the sideline, but he actually helped the guy up and slapped him on his head like you good?
lol
Witten would have said some very unkind words to him after that
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
I just want this Romo guy to win a super bowl
because he can be great, he has that type of qualities and talent
this is why I get so mad at him and I am such a tough critic of Romo because I know just how good this guy can be
I have watched every single game he has ever started for the Cowboys and I just know he can be great
if he never wins a super bowl it will be a tragedy
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Dude the America's Game that would be made if Romo won a SB with Dallas
Would be one of the best.
Romo, Ware & Garrett would be my first choices to be three guys who get the interviews for it.
The undrafted star QB; The game changing pass rusher; and The Calming influence of Jason Garrett, a link to the glory days of the 1990s Cowboys Dynasty, brought into return the team to prominance.
Narrated By: Donald Sutherland
Chapter 1: The fall from grace after winning 3 SBs-Irvin gets knocked out in Philly, Aikman gets knocked out by Washington, Emmitt left alone chasing a record; The Campo years: T.O. celebrates on the star, and Houston wins their first game against Dallas.
Chapter 2: Parcells builds the foundation-2003 brings in Terence Newman, Jason Witten, Tony Romo; 2005 DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Jay Ratliff; 2006 Miles Austin.
Chapter 3: Growing Pains-Loss at Seattle in 2006; Wade takes over-loss against NYG in 2007; 44-6 in 2008; loss at Minnesotta in 2009; 1-7 Wade gets fired in 2010; Garrett learning on the job in 2011 as they go 8-8.
Chapter 4 (2012 SB Champs*): Coming together after Hatcher calls them out; FA; The Draft; Kicking A$$ and taking names during the season; The signature moment of the season; The playoff run; Winning the SB
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 6:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
lol. sure thing, you got dibs on serial #0
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow,
your chapter description makes me want to see this! Until I realize it would put your Cowboys up 6-4 in Lombardi’s over my Giants. :-)
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
well said man
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by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 6:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
thanks
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I'll step as a fan of a rival and agree about Romo.
Dude has major balls, is a leader from everything I have ever seen, and he not only put to rest any questions about his toughness this year (several times) but he knocked that misconception the F out.
Oh… and I don’t have to wish my QB had it. ;-)
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Eli showed his toughness
His first 2 seasons when he flashed the come from behind wins, and just having to put up with the crap Tiki, Shockey, and Plax gave him in the huddle before every freaking play. The game that showed me Eli was going to be a pretty good QB was that big win in Philly early in 2006. I think the Eagles were killing you guys early in the game, and that second half, Eli just played like a man possessed.
I thought it was crazy talk that he could lose his job as early as 2007. I mean Peyton threw his share of back breaking INTs, and missed the playoffs his 4th year as a starter and no one was calling for his head. Agreed with Strahan, Eli’s got the perfect mental make up for New York.
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
did that 4th year of Peyton's
get his Head Coach Mora fired? And replaced with all-NFL nice guy Tony Dungy
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately for Dez
I think its a holdover from TO who wasn’t trying to motivate anyone, but bitching about his lack of targets.
Agree wholeheartedly about SO’s contentions here – his contentions are at the same time both self serving and undermine the peer appointed captains on teh team
'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5
good point
but Dez, I think is totally different from TO
TO would be happy with 21 targets and a loss, Dez just wants to win and I love that
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Dez has the Irvin factor. His team mates just don't seem interested in winning at all cost.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 18, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see someone on defense like that.
Someone with some fire, jacking up the rest of these guys.
Agreed. The narrative is written after you win it all
Eli was crucified in his early years for being “too quiet” and now all of a sudden he is a stoic leader. I read an article where players said “Eli’s quiet but when he talks, that’s when you know it’s important.” His behavior is exactly the same but now people are just interpreting it differently.
by somebodyquiet on Feb 18, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good point.
I would offer up the opinion thought that a loud minority, possibly a slight minority I don’t really know of course, was against Eli in the early going. There were many of us who were all in from the start.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Leadership is overrated
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
honestly
I had no problem with what Hatcher said
this is my take
I am sure Hatcher has tried to talk the players behind the scenes about this issue, but nobody responded
I agree with Hatcher to a certain degree, the defense (notice I said defense here) doesn’t have a vocal leader of any sorts besides Sean Lee who I think will grow into the role now that Brooking and James will be gone
he probably felt out of line trying to lead veterans, now he will be the veteran and more comfortable as a leader
he did it at Penn State and I see him doing it in the NFL for a long time
as for Ware, amazing player, hall of famer, i think to some degree Ware is a great teammate and all the side coaching he does is awesome, but what Hatcher is getting at is leadership during games and on the field
it just isn’t there, Ware isn’t a very vocal guy, never has been
Ratliff is probably the most vocal guy along with Spears
So I believe Hatcher tried to keep this in house, but nobody stepped up and the reason he is saying it in public is for people to truly listen to him now
just my theory, have at it!
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 PM CST reply actions
But why do they need a guy like that?
No team really does. I’d rather have a CB step up and get a pick to end a game or a sack fumble from a DE. Instead of them just being vocal, go out and handle it with youre play. I’d rather have a quiet guy who makes a difference, than a loud vocal badass who SAYS they need make a difference. Know what I mean? That’s just my take on it. I think Hatcher shouldn’t have talked about it really.
by BrickTop on Feb 17, 2012 11:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
a lot of teams have leaders
like he was saying with Ray Lewis
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
I do know what you mean
but you can’t have 11 Indians on defense, you need at least one chief
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't buy this at all.
All it takes is for each guy to play as hard as he can and never quit. If you need a leader to lead you or motivate you to play, then you are the problem.
When exactly did Hatcher first begin to need a leader? Was it after he reached the NFL? Or was it in college? High school? Maybe Hatcher is just one of those guys who was lucky to be born with a big, strong and fast body but doesn’t have the desire to go with it. Maybe he was just the biggest kid on his Pop Warner, Jr. High and High school teams so he just kept playing and ended up in the NFL.
A friend of mine was always the biggest girl on her softball teams growing up. The majority of the people who know her think she was a great athlete because she could hit the ball farther than any other girl. In reality, she is uncoordinated and awkward. She was just the biggest girl. No one questions why softball was the only sport she played or remembers all her strike outs.
I played rugby in college. The head coach was the leader and there was not one on the team. All 15 of us played for each other and played as hard as we could and never quit. We made the “conference” playoffs every year and won the “conference” title my junior year. (Rugby “conferences” are called Unions or Leagues depending on a couple of rule differences.)
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
I agree though
one’s play also means a lot
this is why Brooking was a joke to many on the team because he would talk like a Greek god before the game and then get his butt whooped for 60 minutes
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
I was actually talking about him (Brooking) lol
As far as leaders go, I’m sure Ratliff, Spears, and Ware get on people’s ass if they screw up. I remember Ratliff getting on Sensabaugh and Scandrick? I think, when they had a disagreement on the field.
by BrickTop on Feb 17, 2012 11:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sensabaugh is kinda of a chump man
Newman was ready to kill him that one game, and this is Terence Newman, the glass man, he gets hurt suiting up for games but was ready to lay Sensabaugh out in a fight
that right there told me Sensabaugh is just not a great player if Newman wants to fight you
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Newman may not be very good anymore (especially when injured)
but I trust him. I’ve read so many positive things about his work ethic and love for football. If hes pissed at someone, there has got to be a good reason.
If the Cowboys need a "vocal" leader
I’d like to volunteer for the team to sign me. I’m not big, or fast, or necessarily in shape, or other things the team might look for in a player. However, for the player’s minimum salary I will run around the sidelines like a maniac screaming at Hatcher and other guys on the team exhorting them to do better. I will also Hoot and Holler in the locker room to keep guys motivated.
I hope Jerry is reading this and contacts ol’ Tennessee Jed.
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by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 18, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Check out the link I posted below. This is the best quote:
If these guys spent less time looking around the room for leaders and more time actually trying to be leaders, this wouldn’t be an issue. You don’t have to be Lewis to stand up and say something you feel needs to be said in a time of crisis. All you need is the guts to say it. Doesn’t take any to say it in a radio interview.
Scarlet O is spot on.
We need a Haley or Lawrence Taylor.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 18, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Haley was close to a sociopath.
He was an absolute a-hole as a teammate. His teammates thought he was an ass, and he was almost universally reviled. He’s about the last guy you’d want on this team.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
I agree
Hatcher seemed to be reacting spontaneously. I wish he didn’t say it, but I think too many people here are assuming hes taking shots at the guys like Ware and others on the team. I think he made an honest comment, not a smart one for sure but then again part time DEs rarely make the news for something like that. Its not like Romo or Garrett making a PR mistake.
The overreaction is a little ridicuous.
I don't understand your logic. Whom do you think he's taking a shot at? And why is it
less consequential than anyone else on the team making a “PR mistake”?
I don't think hes taking a shot at anyone.
I think he gave his honest opinion, and did so in the heat of the moment when he probably didn’t think through the implications of his answer. That is not necessarily a shot at Ware or Rob Ryan or anyone else on defense.
My point with Romo and Garrett was that those guys have been heavily trained to keep it under wraps, and not say anything that could be perceived negatively by the media despite whatever they may believe. You think Hatcher has that same experience with the media? I feel like Newman made a similar comment a couple years ago that turned into a similar mess.
And again – if the New York Giants took the same approach that fans here seem to be taking – the cut his @#$ approach – they would not have won two superbowls. Some players say dumb things. There is a big difference imo between what Hatcher said as part of a conversation as opposed to him saying something like “Nobody on this defense is a leader”
We disagree. I also think it's pretty naive to think that after being in the league
for a few years and seeing what happens when Romo even burps, that he’s not aware of how words can be taken. I’m not one of the ones arguing to cut his ass, but I’m okay with the negative reaction to what he said. I’ll say it again, if you have something to say, man up and say it to the faces of your teammates, not a s***stirrer like Sanders. Or better yet, man up and do it yourself.
as for Romo
his leadership really shouldn’t be questioned anymore
I think he has grown so much in that department in the last 3 years
the offense have their leaders
I think the defense needs someone to step up and I nominate Sean Lee, Jay Ratliff and DeMarcus Ware to be those guys
I am not worried about this at all
now obviously I am not in the locker room or on the sideline, but there needs to be more interaction with the players, too many times during games where we are losing or facing adversity, the camera shows guys moping around and silent, there needs to be more interaction
for the most part, Romo interacts with the entire offense
he is constantly talking to the OL, WR’s and RB’s on the sideline
but on the defensive side of the ball, I see Spears and Ratliff doing a lot of talking while everyone else is just sort of chilling out
I could be 100 percent wrong here, its just my theory, but I believe in it
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:15 PM CST reply actions
Those cameras...
they love to try and tell a story. It’s not just the Cowboys who mope or sit silent when things are going bad.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
I still think there is some Wade Phillips left here
its almost gone, but some of the stuff Wade let go on is still hanging around
I know you are worried about this, I am not worried about this
it could be much much worse
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 17, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Garrett and Rob Ryan will weed out the Wade Seeds
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 7:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where is Irvin with his list of "paycheck tuesday" guys?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I think Dez and DeMarco have made those lists.
Just watching Dez during games, I think he knows very well which guys want it.
Watching DeMarco in that Eagles game back in October, I could sense he was getting pissed/frustrated with some of his teammates.
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
People need to understand what leadership is 1st
The most important aspect of leadership is ability. That is, the ability of the leader to “convince” or provide example to those being led. Leaders of companies, leaders of military elements and leaders of sports teams all share an ability to communicate a common goal, to focus the majority of the followers to task and an ability to either convince those who don’t agree w/ the goal/plan to agree or remove them from the rest of the group.
Hatcher can’t be the leader of the team because he doesn’t possess the ability to provide example. Leaders are almost always the best players or smartest managers. They have better ideas. They know when to say what and how to say it (w/ force or w/ kindness).
Leaders are not made, they’re born.
Every team needs leaders.
We have Romo and Witten on offense, but we really don’t have a key leader on defense. This is a failure on the part of the veterans on defense to provide leadership.
It doesn’t excuse Hatcher from saying it on national radio. Damn, what a moron. Cut his ass on principle alone.
One more thing. The best leader in the world will be ineffective if he doesn’t have enough talent on his squad to succeed. This defense is deficient on talent. George S. Patton couldn’t get this defense going. Get some better players and I’m confident Sean Lee will lead them to victory. He’s a defensive quarterback if I’ve ever seen one.
Thanks for bringing this up, Scarlet. Rec’d.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Romo and Witten
everytime I hear this, I think Cabo. (and I love Romo more than anyone)
It was a mistake, Iowa, no doubt.
But they’ve both been wonderful vocal leaders lately. Romo especially. This IS Romo’s team.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Romo
. . . has stepped it up, I agree. He has a ways to go but he has played very well under the worst of circumstances; poor line play, no running game, and now a defense that can’t carry its weight. I have no beef with Romo; he needs to demonstrate he can win the big one; his time is coming. Nothing would make me happier than to see Romo wear a ring.
he made a mistake
I forgave him right after that anyway, he made a simple mistake that a soft coach let happen
if Parcells or Garrett were coach that never would have happened
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't Cupcake give the whole team that weekend off?
It’s not like 59 players (practice squad included) showed up for practice and Romo and Witten were the only ones missing.
Everyone took that weekend off. It’s just that TMZ cares more about Jessica Simpson being in Cabo with Romo (Witten and his wife were collateral) than where the OL, DL etc, spent that weekend.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
you cut Hatcher
we are screwed at DE, he is our best DE
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
You're kidding, right?
I’m not convinced he is our best, but even if he is, what good is it if your best DE is a back-stabbing moron? Hatcher would have been respected if he had said that right to the team’s face, but on the radio? Garrett won’t let it go.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Hatcher is the best PASS RUSHING DE
he is.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 18, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
DON'T POP A VEIN!
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
Don't be stupid
and suggest to cut him just because me made a statement, that I am sure, he feels is accurate.
You can lead a duck to water, but if it wants to fly, you will never get it to swim.
My anger at the thought of what he did got the best of me.
But you keep your ‘stupid’ comments to yourself, Frammis.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
wouldn't surprise me if Hatcher gets traded or cut after this....
JG has really tried to push unity and keeping problems in house in his brief time as HC….if Hatcher really feels that way then maybe he should go see Ratliff and ask him his opinion…I’m sure that Rat would be more than happy to school Hatcher in the error of his ways….Ratliff has on more than one occasion got on Romo about tossing an int (against NE) and even when Wade was here took personal accoutability for the lack of run defense (can’t remember the game but the story about his telling Wade that it wouldn’t happen anymore was funny)…
At any rate, maybe its not a problem with a lack of leaders, it could very well mean that Hatcher just didn’t care to listen. If thats the case then rewarding him with a ride on the backs of the performers as they push for a trophy is too much of a price to pay. I say let him go.
Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home
by TruBluToTheCore on Feb 18, 2012 2:22 AM CST reply actions
This team is missing the proverbial "it" factor.
You never see an all for one, one for all mantra. The Gmen had it in their superbowl runs. I have used the word discombobulated many times. There is no denying it. They aren’t a team. They are a bunch of individuals wearing Dallas uniforms.
This is where we need an irvin or Haley. Guys who took it upon themselves to police the team. I would love to draft one guy who would come in and bust balls in ota’s. Here is where Jason could make a statement. Release Hatch via news conference. Call him out publically. Let him find out through the media. Hatch is now “the” official wuss on this team. I hope he gets released or traded to the Rams or Colts.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
JG and RR should be cold blooded here
Say nothing publicly. Draft Kendall Reyes (a Paul Pasqualoni player at UCONN) and cut Hatcher or trade him to the Jets where he’ll fit right in with their “team” concept.
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 7:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agree, but
. . . it is more than the “it factor.” It is a culture of losing predicated upon entitlement; it is like the rich frat kid that can’t succeed at college or work world. Dallas got fat and happy after the Hershel trade inspired dynasty of three of four Super Bowls. I like the new direction, but changing the culture is tough; imagine Mexico becoming a leading economic powerhouse in the world? Won’t happen, why? Culture . . . Dallas is like that now; soft and choke ridden, comfortable in leading the league in jersey sales and filling the stadium at the cost of about $200 per head to watch mediocrity.
SOMETHING has to explain why all of the coaches since Jimmy have "failed"
The constant is Jerry Jones …. but also the fans.
Are we soft and choke-ridden?
We Fans
are captives. We can’t do much about our predicament. It is not like we can change horses. Many of us or our parents were here long before Jerry and Jimmy . . . I mean, those fans that cried after the Ice Bowl or suffered through the early days before the first Super Bowl win remember the choke label being thrown at Dallas. Even after success, Dallas lost heartbreaking games to the hated Steelers . . . yet, Dallas was always there in the thick of things. This record is what makes the Cowboys the Cowboys; this is where American’s team came from; it was the fight against the mighty Packers of the sixties; the even mightier Steelers of the seventies. It was the class of Tom and Staubach and the innovativeness of finding Cornell Green and Bob Hayes. Alas, most of this greatness is washed away in the wind and Dallas is just another football team these days.
Irvin I get -
For all of the drugs and hookers, no one worked harder.
Haley? Haley ripped the top of a teammates convertible and pissed into the car. Haley was constantly masturbating in team meetings. Haley gave up on the sidelines until Aikman went over and told him to stop moping and get back in the game.
Great player, crappy choice for you to peg as a “leader”.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
The Truth Hurts
. . . Dallas has changed directions under Redball, I get that – but, this team and this franchise has had multiple opportunities to win key games – think both Super Bowl years for the Giants, for best examples, and the team and franchise failed. There is something fundamentally wrong at Valley Ranch; maybe Redball will be the antidote; but I suspect Hatcher is on to something, however unartful and stupid his comments may be, the failures are there like an elephant in the room.
The truth is that the Giants didn't have any leaders until they won a super bowl.
Tiki Barber coming out the year after he retired to throw Eli under the bus and say that the players in the locker room actually laugh at him when he tries to be a vocal leader. Two Super Bowls later……..he’s the leader of the team. Amazing how that happens.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Feb 18, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Barber was a %$#^%^
Eli was no leader coming into his rookie year. Amani Toomer just earlier this month came in and said Eli finally became a leader when Shockey broke his leg and had to sit out. In the huddle, both Tiki and Shockey would bully Eli into giving them the ball and not allow him to grow and develop.
It was after Shockey was out of the huddle that Eli became more vocal. There’s no wonder that he was mediocre to bad prior to 2007….then late in the season, Shockey injures himself, and Eli becomes leaps and bounds better.
Locker room cancers, all of them. Same with Plaxico, but Eli had been enough of a leader to ignore it. Plax came to visit after prison and Eli shrugged him off and said he had a good corps of WRs already….and he was right.
Locker room chemistry is more important than we think…or at least the athletes make it seem so.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 18, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
yup
There’s a reason why Tiki is disliked by most ppl in the NFL;
Shocking Plax goes to the Jets and same thing happens to Mark Sanchez, Plax and those idiot receivers bully him.
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
its more than just tiki
the giants have had a history of bringing their locker room discontent to the public. If they cut all the players who have made similar comments to Hatcher, they would not have won either of their superbowl. Even this year – Antrelle Rolle made comments in public pretty much calling out guys like Tuck.
Jets too.
It comes with the territory. Though I in no way like Hatcher coming out and saying it (and other players before him), the solution imo is not to just cut everyone who thinks this way.
Tarheel Paul and BigBlue (and others)
I agree with both of you in many ways about your observations of the Giants and Eli. However, one thing to keep in mind (as BigBlue mentioned) is the presence of lazy, self-centered, WKGs on the team. In my opinion, grown-ass millionaire MEN shouldn’t have to need somebody doing a Rah-Rah speech at them to be able to do their job (see my previous post earlier in this thread about “volunteering” to be on the team for a more humorous example).
When a team wins the media self-selects “leaders” that made it happen, even if those guys didn’t do a damn thing different from when the team was losing and needed more “leadership.” The fact is, if Hatcher needs someone to pump sunshine up his millionaire arse in order for him to do his job then he is a delusional chump. To me “leadership” is doing your job well and helping others. There are lots of guys on the Cowboys who do that. What else does Hatcher require in order to do the job he is paid handsomely for?
Nobody knows if Eli is a better “leader” than Romo. We aren’t in the locker rooms.But this season both guys did their jobs well. To me that’s “leadership.” If Hatcher can’t look at a guy like Demarcus Ware or Ratliff or Sean Lee and see them busting their asses to be as good as they can possibly be on gamedays and be inspired to work just as hard then he doesn’t need “leadership,” he needs a reality check in the form of unemployment.
Grown men should not need cheerleaders to do their jobs capably. All this hoo-ha about “leadership” is a joke. The Cowboys have leaders, if folks are intelligent enough to open their eyes. Look around you Hatcher! Do you see guys working hard and earning their paychecks? Do what they do and shut up! You’re a grown man. Do your freaking JOB!
"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer
by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 18, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
this x 1000
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 18, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
this needs to be green
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 18, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Fernie and Ironman
Thank you sincerely for the rec’s. I’m normally a trickster/jokester in my posts, but hearing Hatcher’s interview and reading for years about the Cowboys and “leadership” just made me get serious and post this (though I can’t promise too much “seriousness” in the majority of my posts). However, it is gratifying to see that folks appreciate an occassional post ol’ Tennessee Jed puts out there. :)
"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer
by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 18, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
+1
everyone is a leader but some choose to follow bc its easier. if you cant get pumped up about making millions & doing your job to the best of your ability then you probably wont succeed at anything.
i’m sick of hearing about the Dallas Cowboys needing a “leader” to win in crunch time when its probably more to do with players not giving 100% all the time (aka Spencer). all it takes is 1 slacker to make the whole thing look bad.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth.
Very very well said Scarlet
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Great Post, Wish they could post this on the mothership
Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares
How can he say they have no leaders
WIth a guy like Sean Lee, who puts the time he puts in to get better, and plays every down like it his last. He may not be a rah rah guy, but he leads with his work ethic. Best type of leadership is leading be example.
Billion dollar dream and hundred dollar nightmares
There isn't a best type of leader for every type of "follower"
Hatcher needs a daddy, as apparently many of them do. Lee is a great guy, but not a daddy.
If you want to win, then you need some talented kids on your team. That’s the sorry fact.
people want to cut Hatcher for telling the truth
but they don’t want to cut Spencer for doing the same and admitting to quitting
you cut Hatcher, this defensive line gets awful, he is our best five tech
Anthony Spencer is not the Egg McMuffin of 3-4 OLB's
by Archie Barberio on Feb 18, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions
People want to cut Hatcher for blabbing about something he wasn't man enough to say
to the people he’s dissing and for airing it publicly instead of keeping in house. They also aren’t sold on keeping him just because he may or may not be the best DE, given that the DEs on this team aren’t much. Moreover, you’re generalizing wildly with your comparison to Spencer, given the howling against Spencer. He’s an unpopular player, so much so, evidently, that fans go up to him when he’s out in public in Dallas and call him out to his face. At least Spencer was man enough to admit what he did, and not put his behavior on anyone else.
At least Spencer manned up and took responsibility
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
by Rohpuri on Feb 18, 2012 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Convienent timing for a pariah to take responsibility
As his contract expires. I saw that Cardinals game. He DOES quit.
But yes he make plays against the run too. Maybe he should move on to a 4-3 system and we shold let him.
I was at the Cardinals game
uh, what an ending. I wanted to vomit.
Tag Team name for Sean Lee and Bruce Carter is RUSH HOUR
Chia my biggest beef with Spencer is he is a quitter.
Jerry is a fool if he keeps him. The biggest locker room problem in Dallas is the gm. Jerry wasn’t the face of the Cowboys when Jimmy was there. Irvin and Haley didn’t allow for quitting. They didn’t allow for slackers either. They knew what it would take to win.
The way Jerry has put this team together with no plan and just drafting off the cuff like 09 is the reason this team stinks. Jerry doesn’t know how to assemble a team. he doesn’t get “it”. Hiring wusses like Waded only exacerbated the problem. There is a losing element that has been present for a long time. All this mess is Jerry’s fault.
Hatcher is the best 5 tech on the team but he isn’t anything special. He would be better in a 4-3. I took a lot of crap on this blog for saying Dallas has a losing element. Saying they invent ways to lose. Saying they choke when it’s money time. Fact is, it’s all true.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 18, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Players aren't coaches and for good reason
Ryan needs to sort this out.
So Hatcher shoots his mouth off .. good. Don’t blame the whistleblower.
Do you think the Cowboys have the leadership or even playing-as-a-team issue under control already? Not me.
+1
Jeeze, most of you want to shoot the messenger for saying something that’s pretty damn obvious. First, I really don’t think he meant any harm- the way I read it, the question caught him somewhat off guard and he answered it honestly.
Thinking that the so-called “leadership” should then punish him for doing so only enforces the notion that there is no effective leadership. That’s downright dysfunctional.
I could easily see for myself that for at least the last two seasons there has been NO effective leadership on the field on the defensive side of the ball. If you’re honest, you’ve seen it too.
I may be dumb, but I'm slow.
TO was more sinister
. . . I think TO’s heart was in the right place but he had a way of twisting things and interjecting very softly things like race and priviledge. TO was more club house lawyer and Diva, than pure flame thrower.
In fact TO and JJ have the same disease
it’s not whether the team wins or loses, but that the team succeeds because of them.
'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5
It's a good post ....
But all of this is part of the territory. The players have the skill (and body). Us fans are better workers and probably have watched football longer than most players have been alive. We are just different kinds of people.
I like the elephant in the room metaphor from Iowa
It has to be what Jerry Jones brings to the franchise, right? Certainly there has been enough variety of coaches. But its different now. JG was groomed for this situation and JJ will take great, personal pride to ensure his legacy in this process is a success.
At the risk of sounding soft, I have faith for now and look eagerly towrard this off season to evaluate the JG, SJ and JJ braintrust.
We never thought last year would be great anyway, did we?. The only bad things that surprised me were:
1. JG clutch moments game mismanagement (hands down wtf is he doing!?)
2. Costa not improving (clay shiver all over again; but we tried)
3. Free dropoff (he’ll bounce back)
4. Committing to Sensabaugh and Scandrick (i guess they just need to be average in the new grand scheme?)
I think we just need to help Romo more (OL) and fix the obvious secondary weakness (CB). I know it’s more complicated (DE, S, Spencer, Robinson), but I’d be happy with that.
Helping Romo Is No. 1
. . . poor guy has taken a pounding. It is a wonder he is still functioning.
This must have been a slow week for the press
to have a furor made over something like this. No arrests, or drug suspensions to talk about. I agree with the poster Cowtoys in that I don’t think Hatch mean’t any harm by his statement. I however do somewhat agree with what he said. Whenever something went wrong with this team during critical times in the game, they never seemed to recover or regain composure. IMO there is a reason for this, more than just a lack of talent on the OL and secondary, that we falter late in games. I believe JG is still cleaning out the Wade era cesspool that breeded a weak minded and selfish team. This may take 1 or 2 off seasons to fix.
One thing Hatcher might keep in mind
The BIGGEST problem on the defense was the lack of a pass rush, outside of Ware and blitzing. That’s a problem that guys like Hatcher need to own up to, rather than laying it off on a lack of leadership or poor secondary play.
Just do you bit, Jason. Pressure the quarterback. Nail a running back in the backfield. Fall on a fumble. Block a pass at the line of scrimmage. In other words, just make some more players. The leadership stuff will take care of itself if you do your part.
Dog Bone
I have a question for you Scarlet.
What kind of elite competition have you participated in? I’m not trying to rip you or anything, just interested. Great article, by the way.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr
Much ado about nothing at all.
Each week, play whoever is standing across the field from you, whenever and wherever. If you match up well, exploit it and win. If you don’t, then get very crafty in your game play and try to "steal" a win anyway. Repeat process until no more games remain, and confetti rains down from a retractable roof and Roger Goodell is handing out hardware. - hookerhome
in aeternum amicus meus vivit sua musica non morietur
A Friend of mine lives forever, his music will never die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J1FHzJruAg
RIP Chuck Shuldiner - Father of Death Metal
Bad Hatcher! How dare he speak his feelings??
I’d like to know where our military members are to comment on this.
I’d think some of them would contradict the "no such thing as leadership’ argument.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
I was a naval officer and played rugby at Annapolis.
And I say that you don’t need a leader on an athletic field. All you need are people who play as hard as they can and don’t quit. The HC was the only leader on my rugby teams. We all just played hard.
If there are unmotivated adult millionaires on a professional team, they need to be on the bench or out the door.
As for the military, yes leadership is required to motivate young adults to work difficult 16-20 hour days in dangerous conditions, 7 days a week. A football field is not the military.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Thank you for serving.
I do not want to undermine your point, because it has great merit. Please take this more as a show of admiration and respect. But I would argue that the teams at the Academies are full of leaders.
Rugby, huh? Nicest, toughest, most down to earth athletes I ever met played rugby.
Yeah, I knew that would be open to rebuttal.
But my larger point is still valid. On a team full of potential leaders, no one needed a leader and no one was a leader. We were all self motivated to play to our full abilities for the team.
It would be nice if the millionaires on our Cowboys could also be self motivated to play their best for the team.
You don’t need to thank me, but thanks for the thanks anyway. It was my pleasure. Thanks to you and your parents and aunts and uncles for paying the taxes that put me through Annapolis and paid my salary.
I loved playing rugby. Played our butts off trying to hit each other as hard as we could tolerate without pads and then win or lose, gather around the keg to drink and sing.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
"We were all self motivated to play to our full abilities for the team."
I believe that is a very good definition of “character”. Another regular definition I have heard is, “character: doing the right thing when nobody is looking.”
In other words, conducting yourself correctly when your performance is immeasurable. Yes, it would be nice to see a team full of p[layers exhibiting this characterisitic.
By the way, I could never keep up with my rugby acquaintences at the bar.
first, it's an analogy and of course the differences are stark betwen the military life and sports.
so I get that.
But your idea that guys who are unmotivated millionaires should just get fired is not dealing with reality. It’s a cool argument philosophically that we ‘normal’ fans like to make, but I’m sure you are aware that pro sports are full of spoiled players who’ve been pampered for years. Add on a contract that garauntees millions, and you get a lot of less-than-fully motivated guys.
That’s not up for argument, right?
This is not a college rugby club, where everyone who was playing had to be highly motivated to get out there for no $$$.
Much less, as pointed out above, a military academy!
So, I could argue, that pro sports being about the exact argument of the experience you mentioned is exactly WHY they need leaders!
By the way, I went to USAFA for a year. Good experience but I knew around Thanksgiving it wasn’t for me (couldn’t be a pilot due to vision, which is what about everyone there was aiming at). Anyways, had to finish the first year just to prove I could but then left that behind!
Vivid memories though-Basic and the first year are experiences that stick with you.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
uh, that should be "pro sports being the exact OPPOSITE of..."
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Just STFU and Ball
I just want to see some Cowboys play some effin ball when its on the line. Is that asking too much?
anyone can be a leader but many choose not to.
its a lot easier to be a follower then a leader & some people just dont care to be the best at whatever they do.
i wouldn’t even let my youngest beat me in Wii bowling just to make her feel better but instead i taught her to work for success. a year later i couldn’t even come close to beating her & she was only 10 yrs old then.
to many kids grow up never earning anything & then they think success is suspose to given to them.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth.
by DCNation73 on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It is said that the biggest lessons learned
are the ones that happen when we fail. The issue isn’t that Dallas doesn’t have “Leaders” but that they have a bunch of People that simply “go through the motions”. this is why one of the main contentions of a “RKG” is Passion. You have to love what you are doing, because if you don’t then the drive to be the best just isn’t there.
rec’d DC
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 21, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
Anybody can not be a leader.
You’ve never lead have you. If you have ever lead a group of men you know who could never lead.
Your daughter beating you at Wii has nothing to do with leading.
The two have nothing at all to do with each other.
by Sharksbreath on Feb 23, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Scarlett O. I guess the truth hurts.
Now that we have heard it from someone in the locker room maybe the rest of you guys will start to believe what plenty of us have already said.
But looking at most of the posts on this issue it seems as though your guys are the perfect example of the Michigan study. Which showed that a person will not accept facts if it goes against their belief system.
Like a Conservative believing in fiscal conservatism. Low taxes for the rich solve all problems. . When it has been proven to be a complete fraud.
Carry on.

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