Dallas Cowboys "Covet" Free Agent CB Brandon Carr According To Sources
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 3:00 PM CST
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Quoting "sources", Pro Football Weekly today reports that the Cowboys “covet” free agent CB Brandon Carr and are expected to “make a run at him” when the market opens.
All the talk prior to free agency is over which offensive lineman the Cowboys might sign. But another high-profile player at a different position could end up being the apple of their eyes.
Sources have said the Cowboys would love for Chiefs CB Brandon Carr to hit the open market, so they can make a run at him. The expectation is that the Chiefs could franchise Carr and are said to be in fine cap shape, but they also have WR Dwayne Bowe to worry about. If Carr somehow makes it to March 13 unsigned, expect the Cowboys to go all in for him and worry about a high-profile guard (Carl Nicks or someone else) thereafter.
There is little doubt that Carr would be a good match for the Cowboys. The Cowboys have to do something to improve their cornerback play, and Carr would be an immediate upgrade from day one, especially in man coverage. Best of all, Carr will be just 26 when the season starts and is orders of magnitude the youngest free agent corner on the market, which would make him not just a stop-gap but a potential long-term answer for the Cowboys.
Carr is young. He plays a premium position. He's a good locker room guy. He has a proven track record. What's not to like?
Unless of course, somebody is just name-dropping the Cowboys in an effort to drive Carr's price up. So what do you think, should the Cowboys go "all in" to get Carr?
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and only 26 years old
Definitely a good buy. But you’re going to have to pay a lot, at least Jonathan Joseph money, perhaps Asomugah money, to get him.
There’s not a team in the NFL he wouldn’t be a good fit for, so everyone with some money to spend is going to give him a call.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
only 1 year older than TNew was when we drafted him....
Barring injuries he should have another 5 years of solid production at least.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
I'm good with that.
We should have paid Joseph last year.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
YES, go all in
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Newmans salary.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
And Spencer's
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
how much did Joseph get from Houston ?
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
Five years, $48.75 million
$23.5 million guaranteed, including a $12.5 million signing bonus.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Here's the contract
2011: 5.5 +12.5 signing bonus
2012: 7.25
2013: 7.5
2014: 7.5
2015: 8.5
Almost the entire first two years are guarnteed.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
If he got 23.5
mil guranteeed, and got 18mil in 2011, the gurantee will be paid by the end 2012 season. It looks his cap hit for 2012 will be 9.75 mil or 7.25+2.5 (prorated signing bonus) = 9.75 against the cap right?
Correct, cap figures are the base salaries above + $2.5 m for each year.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
If that is
the case, the Texans can really pay Joseph 5.5 mil in 2012 or even less if they like and still fulfill the gurantee. The way it looks to be set up now, they can cut Joseph after the second year without a cap hit. Of course that means they would have paid 11.75 for two years of service which wouldn’t be too smart. I’m just using that as an example of how the contract structure works to make sure I’ve got it right.
Anytime the Texans release Joseph, they’d still be on the hook for the prorated portion of the signing bonus. If they wre to cut him after the 2012 season, the cap hit would be 7.5 million, 5 million the next year and 2.5 million after that.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
yup
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Wait a minute.
Doesn’t the team have the “option” of prorating the signing bonus over the life of the contract or however they wish to prorate it? Can’t a team take the entire cap hit in one year if they so choose as long as they don’t go over the cap number?
No. The signing bonus is prorated over the life of the contract (over a maximum of 5 years). If a team wants to take a big cap hit in a given year, they give the player a high base salary in that year.
Miles Austin’s contract is a perfect example of that: The Cowboys paid him 17 m in 2010 and 8.5 million in 2011. By giving him that contract, they avoided paying him a signing bonus – and with it avoided any proration in later years.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
smart move
take the hit over two years and have good cap room later on
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Yeah I loved that contract's design
Took advantage of the uncapped year. It essentially allowed us to pay him as a big-time #1 WR but save $4-5 million in cap space every year over a more traditional deal.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
The Miles
Austin contract is what got me on this train of thought in the first place. I was looking at the contract structure here. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/ As you can see, they are reporting that Miles got 7.8 mil in 2011 and are calling it a signing bonus and are prorating it over five years. However Jahri Evans got a 13 mil signing bonus that the same sight says it was spread evenly over
That’s because the Cowboys restructed the contract last year to get under the cap. But the original contract was just as I had described.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
I got you
there but was the contract restructuring considered a signing bonus and therefore prorated over the life of the contract as the sight is stating? You can see how it can be a bit confusing especially since there is no proration over the last year of the deal.
Yes, that is how restructuring works
Austin stood to make 8.5 million in 2011. “Restructuring” means that they lowered his 2010 salary to the league minimum (about 700 K for Austin) and turned the rest of the 8.5 million salary into a signing bonus.
The advantage for the player: the signing bonus is due immediately, and he doesn’t have to collect the money via 17 game-day cheques.
The advantage for the team: they can prorate that signing bonus over the length of the contract.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 27, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
Ok.
I got you so far. So since signing bonuses are guranteed and NFL salaries are not, if the Cowboys were to cut Miles Austin, it would accelerate the rest of his signing bonus into the current year. He would be a 6.280 mil hit against the cap in 2012 (1.570 mil x 4) but his salary (for 2012 and beyond) would not be due and or payable nor would it count against the salary cap right?
BTW, thank you for helping me with this. It gets a little confusing when different contracts are reviewed.
That is correct.
Now onto the June 1 rule. If a player is cut after June 1, only the current year’s signing bonus accrues immediately, while the remaining prorated signing bonuses of the laters years only accrue in the next season.
In the Austin example, this would mean $1.57 M count against the 2012 cap, and the remainder (3x $1.57 million) would count against the 2013 cap.
The new CBA gives even more leeway: Up to two player cuts can be designated as June 1st cuts, even if they are cut before June 1st.
Got it?
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 27, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I got you.
So, in a way, the team has a choice of taking the cap hit all in one year(cutting the player before June 1) or cutting the player after June 1, and, in essence delaying/prorating the hit. Thank you for your help. I feel like a true capologist now. :-D
Seems like they could have
made that contract a bit more cap friendly, especially in early years.
There was
no cap in 2010 so it made no difference what the cap number was for Miles.
That's about what i'd expect for Carr
5 years $50 million, gets him out at age 31 for a third contract.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
That salary for Carr breaks down to around a 12 million against the 2012, right?
So if they franchhise Spencer and sign Carr, their cap space is exhausted, correct? All the more reason to move on from Spencer. They just have too many needs to pay Spencer 9 million.
by jerry_jones_killed_our_cowboys on Feb 26, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
breakdown Dallas’ required signings BED
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 26, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
hahaha!
The team has literally no starting safety on the roster
The team has no backup QB
The team has no fullback
The team at best needs ILB depth, realistically needs to sign a starter (Lee, Carter, and practice-squad-player Orie Lemon are the only 3 on the team)
The team needs 2 corner backs (Scandrick and Jenkins are the only ones under contract)
The team has no backup OT
You also might want to have a 3rd TE on your roster, those are typically needed.
So you literally can’t sign Carr and franchise Spencer unless you plan to play Sean Lissimore at free safety.
And all this discussion is before we even get into “luxury” signings like Laurent Robinson, by the way.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
The draft can answer most of these needs
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
You don't have to draft for need
Kirk Cousins (QB) in round 4
Quinton Saulsberry (G/T/C) in round 6 or 7
LaDarius Green (TE) in round 4 or Even Rodriguez (TE) in round 6
George Iloka in Rd 2 or Markelle Martin in Rd 3
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
do you expect Cousins to last until the 4th round?
i’m a fan of Cousins but i dont see him lasting to the 4th round bc its alot easier for them start in the NFL.
the teams that dont have that guy will take that gamble since the rules favor offensive players. 10 years ago most of the young QBs wouldn’t have the success they’r having now.
i bet Cam Newton wouldn’t even come close to breaking Peyton Mannings rookie records if the rules didn’t change.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth.
i'm also a big fan of Poe in the 2nd round.
he’s really big & moves well with all that weight. 44 bench presses of 225 says a lot about his strength.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth.
Got news for you, Poe is a legit first rounder
He’ll be long gone prior to the start of the second rd
In Romo we Trust
Well the back up corners are probably going to be acquired through the draft
Draft a player they think has a chance to start later but bring him in slowly as a back up.
yup
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Yeah BED's just pissy his Buckeyes got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
And hired a guy with the dirtiest reputation in recent memory inside the sport.
LOL
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
When they're winning big no one will be laughing.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Until the next suspension comes...
I know several people who worked and work in big time college football programs, they all say Meyer’s the worst of the worse…even worse than Nick Saban.
Meyer's recruiting practices are shady
He steals committed guys.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
...but he steals their souls...?
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
No stealing
. . . he buys them fair and $quare.
what???
don’t leave me hanging Omar!
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Cardinal sin of college football is losing to Michigan
Everything else is fair game.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
It's not the Buckeyes' fault our program is so amazing
Don’t blame us because your commits realize their mistake before it’s too late.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
1 and it was on a bogus PI call
Miami was robbed
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
And Meyer really hasn't done it yet with OSU
It’s easier to steal a guy to Gainsville than it is to Columbus.
I don't know why stating facts leads to personal attacks
Didn’t think this community was that kind of place.
All I’m saying is if you want to be realistic you need to understand that this team cannot sign a David Carr and franchise Anthony Spencer. They have to make a series of modest free agent acquisitions just to fill out their roster.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
why would we want David Carr?
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
hahahaha
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
If "a David Carr"
Had to play extended time for us, it’s Suck For Barkley time.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
true
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Personal attacks, on who?
Urban Meyer? Please that guy sucks, ribbing you about the Buckeyes is a personal attack? What about what I do to Mensa and his Badgers? Or the Aggie fans?
Mensa is a fan of LSwho?
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
like telling him Brockers is a bust
it gets him all defensive
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Think about this
Not once has the salary cap ever stopped a team from signing the free agents it wanted. The salary cap is a malleable as a piece of clay.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
it can be played with
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
What about the new league minimum?
That to me sounds like it’d be pretty brutal on the crappy teams that no one watches. 46% of revenue HAS to go to players? Eeeck.
That's a very misleading statement
You say that as if the Saints are jumping for joy they are going to lose Carl Nicks, Tracy Porter, and Marques Colston this offseason.
That the Texans are high-fiving in the front office that they’re kicking that under-performer Mario Williams off their team and might lose last year’s best center in the NFL.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
The Saints will keep at least one of those guys.
And Meyers is fairly old, Houston has a shot at keeping him since likely no one else will offer him a long deal.
But why are they going to lose those players?
Because they don’t want to pay them. Not because they can’t.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Who's to say that they'll lose all those players?
Mario Williams is a guy I can see Texas comfortable with saying good bye too.
What does that even mean?
The salary cap is the only reason teams don’t want to spend for players.
If there was no salary cap Jerry would collect all the high-priced free agents he could. We know this because it’s what he did in the early 90s.
He tried to do it in the salary cap era but found out it had consequences. When you pay Roy Williams the largest WR deal in history you don’t have salary cap space to sign safeties and interior linemen.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
The salary cap is the only reason teams don’t want to spend for players.
exactly
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 26, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
I gotta agree with this.
I think it’s really disappointing when someone writes something that’s logical and factual and in return they get a bunch of hostility.
I think it’s actually the worst aspect of BTB.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 26, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
no hostility is going on
if you read the thread we’re clowing around with BED
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
it pointless.
you think it’s prudent to roll with McGeen and Kirk Cousins.
I think that’s negligence.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 26, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Kirk Cousins as a #2 right now
and a potential starter down the road. I’m all for it. I’d rather have Cousins than any retread QB who has 0 chance to be the QB of our future.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
I agree but he'll be gone before we draft a QB this year. I Can't
see us taking a QB before the 4th round and Cousins will be gone in the second or early third.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
on Cousins...
According to Sporting News draft analyst Russ Lande, Michigan State’s Kirk Cousins “stood out” as the best quarterback in passing drills at the Combine.
This isn’t the first time we’d heard this today. While Cousins was battling a depleted field without Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin, and Ryan Tannehill throwing, he reportedly made the three- to five-step drop game “look easy” and “all of his passes were accurate.” Agreeing with Lande, SI.com’s Tony Pauline suggested Cousins could be headed for the late part of the first round.
Source: Sporting News
Feb 26 – 7:49 PM
by Nate Trumble on Feb 26, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
wow
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
anything happens to Romo then you’re rolling with a 4th round rookie. that can torpedo the season in a hurry.
like I said, i think that’s negligence.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 26, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
the Texans did well with TJ Yates
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth.
Fan, what is it with fans in the off-season?
All through the NFL season everyone talks about how many holes the cowboys have, how many problems they need to fix, how Jerry is stupid to believe they’re one player away.
Then once free agency starts it seems like many of those same fans want us to sign 1 player. The exact same people that said we weren’t one person away want us to franchise Spencer and sign Brandon Carr or they want us to spend whatever it takes to sign Mario Williams.
Am I the only one that gets driven crazy by this?
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
i’m generally down on the quality of the discussion at BTB.
specifically the issue you brought up.
someone brings up a logical point and they get hostility and pure nonsense in response.
I get that some people are perma-pessimists (Realist larry, mensa) but when it’s someone who’s consistently balanced I think it’s really uncalled for.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 26, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't being hostile to BED
I was claiming that some of his concerns can be addressed through draft via bpa approach.
Omar was joking around with him about OSU.
OCC was addressing his CAP concerns.
How can any of this be viewed as hostile?
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Well...
That would go for every and any blog you can name, and I dont see it stopping any time soon. It’s all Ego for most that get involved in that, for example if both points being made have some merrit then one person feels they “know” more than the other so they should be agreeeing, and all it takes is one lil personal jab to start the idiocracy. I’ll say personally that is why I love BTB because for the most part we stay away from that, go spend and afternoon on Yahoo or ESPN and you’ll see the big difference between those sites and this one I’d bet.
by COWBOYS DIE HARD SON on Feb 27, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
No starting safety? Isn’t Gerald Sensabaugh on the team still? Sensabaugh is at least an average safety by any metric that takes an iota of intelligence to create. Isn’t Fiametta the starting FB?
Agreed on the ILB depth, I’d like to sign a cheap vet or take a chance on a young guy that’s fallen out of favor with his current team.
As to the back up corners, I think they’ll draft at least one back up corner and probably sign a few more, the 3rd TE is an issue, but these are back ups that were talking about here they typically don’t come expensive.
In the NFL you play with 2 safeties
Fiametta is a restricted free agent, he’s not currently signed to the Cowboys.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
You said they have no starting safety
To quote you:
The team has literally no starting safety on the roster
That’s a false statement, it’d be like me saying that Texas was the first state to join the union. Fiametta is an RFA, but do you honestly see him leaving?
Excuse me, starting free safety
I should have been more specific.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
It could be done
would need to re work Wares, Scandrick and Witten to free up the money
by LeedsCowboys on Feb 26, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
We also...
need to cut Kosier, Beuhler, Coleman, and Newman… that’s 7-8.5m right there..
And don’t forget that restructuring both Scandrick AND FREE will save us 8.6m on the cap according to “Todd Archer”
If the cowboys really do their work they can have between 25-30m in space to use on free agents.
look here for 2012 salary cap figures and read the last segment before the chart.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4690308/cowboys-top-2012-salary-cap-figures
Hell.. if the dead money isn’t terrible I would be fine with cutting Spears who only played 1/3 the snaps last year after getting that extension.
Hell.. if the dead money isn’t terrible I would be fine with cutting Spears who only played 1/3 the snaps last year after getting that extension.Time to clean house
thomas33
No one is going to franchise Spencer. And you’re forgetting Barry Church. He was unavailable to introduce himself to the Big Blue last time out. But Fear and moral terror are his friends. I look forward to their meeting in the fall
by thomas33 on Feb 26, 2012 8:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
were in trouble if Church is a starting safety
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth.
Don't think so
after the Nnamdi deal last year I don’t see them going all in.They may be a player but if the priceis not right I don’t see them pulling the trigger.
by TCB Orange Dino on Feb 26, 2012 3:12 PM CST reply actions
I don't know about that. Carr will be cheaper, and the front office saw the disaster that was our secondary last year. They'll pull the trigger.
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Get Carr, draft Decastro or a pass rusher in the 1st, the one you didn't get in the second, and another cb in the 3rd.
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Exactly!!!
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Get a big name CB in FA and draft mostly D.
If Houston can do it, so can Dallas.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
absolutely
they turned around their defense in one year with their moves.
Oh, my bad.
My bad?!
Your bad don't work in my world! -Ray Lewis
by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 26, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all for
Drafting D, I mean we did in 09 with our first pick (in the 3rd for the love of god)
I pray I never have to witness anything like that ever again
Make sure you smell it before you eat it
Just think he's only a year older than Newman's rookie year.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
awesome movie.
so good, that even that awful accent couldn’t ruin it.
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
he can do whatever he wants haha.
He is like Gary Oldman, just so underrated.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
John Malkovich is the man.
and that quote should be “Pay thayt mayun his muyoney.”
haha
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
by jakezze01 on Feb 26, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Wow.
I didn’t think of it in those terms. Just…wow. On many Cowboys levels.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
I'm not that sold on the guy
Maybe because I havent seen a whole lot of chief games, however the times I have he’s just been ok, Is he really worth what it sounds like they are gonna fork out for him
Make sure you smell it before you eat it
Sign me up.
Carr, DeCastro, Bruce Irvin, and a mid round CB would be my dream offseason. Anything else (center, backup qb) would just be a bonus.
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by MilesAhead on Feb 26, 2012 3:24 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I second this^
"No one ever accomplishes anything alone in football. We all like to think that we can, but that's just not true. It's always been a team game, always will be." - Tom Dempsey
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve." - Tom Landry
Yes! I would take that, or replace Irvin for Curry, if he's there.
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Now there's putting your chips on the table.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
If we have 31 million in space
and 21 million to spend on FA I think we could sign both. Keeping in mind we’ll also have a whole lot of dead space freed up next year.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I like the idea of going for Carr
Very good corners that are 26-years old are worth the money.
I get nervous any time we talk 5 years $50-$60 million but I’d much rather give that money to a player in his prime like Carr than an old corner like Asomugah.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 3:55 PM CST reply actions
This is a no brainer.
Signing Carr would enable them to go strictly BPA in the draft. If DeCastro falls to #14, that’s no brainer #2. In round #2 Curry, Massaquoi, Irvin, in round #3 a CB or S. Voila! We are competetive.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Signing Carr would be a good start
He’s a solid CB, we’d be instantly stronger. It also gives us flexibility in the draft. I wouldn’t rule out going after Dre Kirkpatrick too as we still need more secondary help, but we could take DeCastro without hating life at CB.
I would hate to overpay for him though. We don’t want another Newman ordeal. Still think G Carl Nicks is the homerun FA signing if we at all have a chance at that.
Count me in!
I hope this isn’t merely a smoke screen. A corner in the prime of his career, thats already proven? Please let it be true.
YES
He’s a young guy and an RKG. He plays one of the most important positions which matches a position of need. Yes, by all means do this. If we do this, it would also help us in the draft so we could truly take BPA, and we won’t have to draft a CB in round one. We could sign Carr and draft a corner in rounds 2 or 3. That’s a good start to fixing this thing.
Bad teams are bad
Same reason the Panthers had the most salary cap space in the league last year and used it to sign $200 million worth of contract extensions to all the same players that turned in a 2-14 season
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
JJ has a tendency to do that to reward his players, which is commendable but not very
good business. How does Daniel Snyder stay out of cap hell with all his rotten acquisitions, ie, Fat Albert ,etal.?
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Scrubbs
Same way the Cowboys did this year, by playing their version of Phil Costa and Alan Ball league minimums.
For the Redskins it was their cheap O-line, Rex Grossman making $1 million at QB, and the who’se who of “who’se that?” at wide receiver.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
That's why teams stay mediocre, you'd think the FO would learn. It's not rocket science.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Alan Ball was the 4th corner on the roster...
Look I wish their CB depth chart looked like:
Revis
Grimes
Carr
Webb
but that’s not going to happen. The 4th corner’s allowed to suck because ideally he’s covering the other team’s 4th best WR, while teams are now stacking good WRs three deep (which enhances the need for a good 3rd corner, which allows Scandrick to still be the 3rd corner yet get close to starter’s value), 4th WRs are typically pretty mediocre. Ideally Ball’s a perfectly acceptable 4th or 5th corner.
I was more referring to his time at starting safety
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
4th CB
It is true that the 4th CB will be lessor quality and cheaper.
Yet we saw what happens when the inevitable injury occurs and the 4th, 5th and 6th CBs have to play regularly
average guys
IF you have injury prone guys, it is even more important to have quality backups. It is better to have lots of average to above average guys than a star and lots of poor quality guys.
Quality depth is its own reward and is a strategic imperative
Yeah which is another reason why I was cool with bringing back Scandrick.
The plan is that he’s the 3rd corner (and given the emphasis on passing the nickel corner should be good too) but in reality he’s going to get his fair share of starts.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If I had to guess
Because they are secure in Flowers as their #1, as they should be. So even though they have the cap room they are not interested in tying up too much money at one position. They still have the franchise tag though, but as suggested that may very well be used on Bowe…we’ll see.
Routt
is older and, therefore, a little cheaper.
i'm sure they signed him for backup if they lose Carr
maybe they want to franchise Bowe & had to sign Routt for insurance if Carr leaves
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth.
This is the type of deal...
that could set the position for years, but we still need another pass rusher, another center, and another safety. These are minimums. Get the center in FA, pass rusher and safety in the draft. We could draft Dre, put him at FS, get Irvin in the 2nd, guard in the 3rd.
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HELL 2 THE YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO AFTER BRANDON CARR!!!
This better not be a joke. This better not be a ploy to drive up his price elsewhere.
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
I saw on NFL Network today
The Chiefs are likely to franchise tag Dwayne Bowe. Welcome to Dallas Brandon Carr.
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
Or any number of teams with a lot of cap space.. like Washington
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
They have the money to sign him
They do not need to franchise him.At what dallas wants to spend,KC will resign him and have Routt and Carr,Flowers and Reeves
by Oshawa Cowboy on Feb 26, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
The Routt and Reeves signings tell me they're ok with losing Carr
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Don't jinx it haha
That would make my day. It’s been a long time since we’ve made a big free agent splash. I would be all for doing this. You’ve got to be careful in free agency, but this guy is 26 years old. Heck, Newman was like 25 when we drafted him. I would be so happy if this happens.
It's so crazy to think Newman was a man 5-6 years away from being 30 when we drafted him
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Me too
Just trying to be relistic.Hopefuly Brandon Carr wants to get out of KC and we have a shot
Oshawa, are you from Ontario Canada?
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
Cool
I got family in North York (now part of Toronto) and Ajax.
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
Scarborough too
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
cool
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
We are better off signing a cb than drafting one in the first round
Generally cb’s even top flite ones take a year or two to develop.. If we sign Carr and draft DeCastro that would be 2 instant impact players. Then take a pass rusher in the 2nd and possibly have 3 players that can make an impact in 2012. If we draft a corner first round, we will have some growing pains that i dont know we can afford given the age of our core players.
by GardenStateWarrior973 on Feb 26, 2012 4:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yup
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Even if we sign Carr
DeCastro might not be there at 14. If he isn’t and Kirkpatrick is.. I would still draft Kirkpatrick.
by BrickTop on Feb 26, 2012 4:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yup because Kirk can play FS
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
YES
then go OL/Pass rusher/NT the rest of the way out rd2 through 7.
but if this signing happend and Dre and Decastro are both still there, gotta take Decastro and Id hope for Barron to drop or pass rusher in 2nd.
by dmagikwand on Feb 26, 2012 7:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
If we did sign him
It would change our options at #14 in the draft, we would not need to take a corner until at least more likely 4th round so it would OL S and OLB in the first 3 rounds, but what order
Guarantee DeCastro is there at #14
Notice anything?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
he's wearing #14
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Thanks Captain Obvious :)
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
you're welcome
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
hehehehehe
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
DeCastro will probably be drafted
at #13. As heartbreaking as it sounds, I understand the Cardinals are expected to go O line…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
they could take a guy like Cordy Glenn or a T like John Martin
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Martin, hopefully, will be there and they'll opt for the tackle.
Might be a tad too high for Glenn. Pray that Tannehill goes before #14 and pushes players down. I’d even be OK, if Coples and Ingram were drafted before #14, if it pushed DeCastro to #14.
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I'm stupid.
I was looking really hard for some physical flaw.
/facepalm
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Well...
he DOES appear to be Forest Gumping his way down the track.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
He went to Stanford, so that can't be right.
heh
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Never ceases to amaze me...
when folks don’t know its a joke.
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
Jason Garrett
You guys got most but not all.
Look at his hands. He wants to be a Cowboy. 
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
LOL
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Is Sam farting?
We have the goal of winning Super Bowls. If you don't have that, find the door.
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he sure is
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
No, hes jumping for joy, we just drafted DeCastro
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
If we got DeCastro, I'll do The Dance of Joy with someone
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
looks like he's throwing up
Devil horns too. \m/
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by Nick Castillo on Feb 26, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
what do you all think of this scenario:
sign Carr and Nicks
drop 5-10 spots and pick up an extra 3rd
draft barron in first, vinny curry or irvin in 2nd, guard/center and cb in 3rd with that extra pick
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Only happens if we wave bye bye to Spencer
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
I'd love it if Ben Jones is there
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
yup
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
I really thing that between Kowalski, Arkin and Nagy, we should be able to get one one guy who can be a starter, too.
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
think*
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Bad idea altogether
Nicks will be too expensive. Anything more than 4-5 mil a year (which I’m sure someone will give him), isn’t fiscally frugal for the Boys in their current condition.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to not care about spencer
lets see what we already got and pick up some more in mid rounds. SOLB will not lose you a game over one play like secondary will. They also don’t allow your QB to get killed.
by dmagikwand on Feb 26, 2012 7:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That's an interesting way to look at it
A pass rusher has an awful play, you may not notice. A DB has an awful play, and it could lose the game. An O-lineman has an awful play, and your season could be shot (injured QB).
I’m sold. Decastro first, DB second, rusher 3rd.
by sportsfanatic21 on Feb 26, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
That is the
scenario I have been looking for. I would take DeCastro too in the first if he is there. I would then put Nagy at center. If you have DeCastro and Nicks on either side of Nagy, he should do fine. Then you can go to the second round and look for more help in the secondary or pass rush wherever the better player is.
Rebuilding issue
I think a big problem with the Cowboys is they always seem to approach the offseason as if they are 1 player or 1 season away from winning a championship. It has lead to reaching for many players and put us into serious Salary Cap issues. We had the highest payroll in the NFL last year and went 8-8. That is a serious lack of “Bang for your buck” The only thing to deduce from this is that we have overpaid players on our team and will continue to overpay for players. I love Laurant and Spencer but let them go. Paying starter money to a number 3 when the secondary leaks like a sieve is not a good idea. We have a history of getting WR late in the draft and them becoming succesful WRs. Think Crayton and Austin. Give Radway, Holmes, Harris, and Ogeltree a chance. Let Butler compete with a draft pick let Carter play we have to learn to develop our players instead of always paying for the next best thing.
One player away
I don’t think the Cowboys have done this recently at all. When was the last time the ‘boys even made a big splash in free agency. Recently we have not had a “one player away mentality.” Minus the flirtation with Nnamdi last year, but we didn’t sign him. The great thing about signing Carr is that he is so young. Even if he isn’t the final piece, he will be around as part of the plan for the next several years. Think about when the 49ers signed Justin Smith a few years ago. They weren’t one player away, but he was a good player who worked into their future plans.
a big problem with the Cowboys is they always seem to approach the offseason as if they are 1 player or 1 season away from winning a championship
The last time that happened was the Roy Williams trade in 2008. Nobody, and I mean nobody, since then has thought the Cowboys were one player away. That’s more than three years in which we’ve acquired the likes of Igor Olshansky and Alex Barron via free agency and trades. That’s not ‘one player away’.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 26, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
He just wanted to get on his soap box and hit the bullhorn
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
I think some of his ideas are right, but his post is a little confusing
I agree with him that we are overpaying for keeping in house talent, who seem to either experience a decline in play or never have deserved the new deal in the first place (mostly the latter). To an extent, I think that hes right – this team has felt like by resigning current players (Barber, Newman, Flo, Hamlin in 2008) they will keep their shot at a playoff run.
Even recently, ie the Scandrick, Sensabaugh, Spears and now possibly Spencer resigning – poor drafting has lead them to keep multiple average “stop gap” players in order to stay competitive. Its not as bad as the previous deals admittedly, but there is a hint of the same feeling at least for me.
And based on Jerry’s words, it sure sounds like they think improving on Newman’s position and adding a pass rusher (but not in place of Spencer! Good luck with that) will significantly improve this D and make us superbowl caliber. And we all know unless Barron miraculously gets within our range late in round 1 or round 2 of the draft, we won’t be seriously addressing the safety position.
true, i could live with it, if Carter can start and help with point of attack in run game to help Butler
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Safety should be 1st round next year. Hopefully the talent is there.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Well no unit on any team is set long term
But a young corner and a guy that has an eye to develop into a good starter is a pretty good start.
we beter sign laron landry!
hes so underated and ripped, culd be flexible for a linbacker also
by cowboys fan living in new york! on Feb 26, 2012 5:03 PM CST reply actions
And he's ended his season early 2 years in a row
because of an Achilles injury. Oh, and he decided to not have surgery on it. And the Redskins are probably gonna franchise him anyway.
Maybe someone should post a picture of him with his shirt off
errr for evaluation purposes
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
how serious are you about the Bruce Smith + Sean Lissemore comparison?
200 sack Bruce Smith?
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 26, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
hes had that for almost 2 years now
PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ DeCastro!!!!!!!!!
by yehti on Feb 26, 2012 9:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
There is no Carr and a 4th rounder become our Savior it is faulty thinking that has got us in the situation we are in now. We have needs on the interior of the OL, DL, OLB, C,S, Back up QB, Back up TE, NG, ILB, and Punter. We cannot reload,replace and upgrade each position. We have to realize what faults we can live with and which ones we can upgrade, and which ones it makes sense to gamble on better production with an inexpierienced player. We can’t have veterans that have gone to the probowl at each position!
Exactly
You’re never gonna field a team with 22 pro bowlers. It’s ok to not have great players at every position. It’s ok to have some role players and average to good players on the team. You just can’t have really bad players especially at key positions. Identify your biggest holes and try to address them. You don’t have to be perfect to win a Superbowl. Look at the Patriots roster. I would argue that they have more holes on their defense than we do. Look at the Giants. They went 9-7, they have a very average secondary. It drives me nuts when people can’t understand that there is a middle ground between pro bowler and terrible.
by Hank Hill on Feb 26, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
failure in logic...sigh
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by Rohpuri
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by rabblerousr
Well there's middle ground between pro bowler and terrible, so that middle ground is average, right?
There’s also middle ground between average and a pro-bowler, lets call that “good.”
I think Roh might have been talking about Hank and agreeing with you.
Not sure though. But I agree with you. I think we have more average players on this team than people are willing to give credit to. There is too much “this guy sucks. That guy sucks.” No, most of those guys are average. The ones who suck are on the teams drafting in the top 10, all of whom are 6-10 or worse.
But average isn’t good enough. In the NFL, average is where the O-rings fail. On the other hand we do not need 22 pro bowlers, but we do need good players in the “upper half” middle ground.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Well at some positions average isn't good enough.
QB being the most obvious. Matt Ryan, while very good, may not be a good enough QB to hang with the elites in Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, and Brees…or he might not even be good enough to hang with that second tier of guys like Eli, Romo, Roethlisberger, or Rivers. That being said, I’d say if you have an elite talent at each level of your team average guys aren’t a problem. Average guys aren’t a problem period, really. What if Newman was average? Same goes for Costa, Free, and Elam. The problem is the terrible players. You’re not going to get 22 pro-bowlers but you’re also not going to have 22 average guys either. Some will be good and some will suck, the guys that suck are the issue.
its like X-tra medium
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Feb 26, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Middle ground of the upper half?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Their holes on defense all of a sudden started to close
once they got their safety healthy.
Look at the Steelers. I have been saying for years their corners were average but their safety play makes the whole back of the defense look great.
One safety down in Denver and they couldn’t stop Tim Tebow.
by Sharksbreath on Feb 26, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Hank
Hopefully clear thinking and Garret will prevail over Jerry’s child like desires. Long term thinking and smart draft moves could usher in an era of competitive teams and division superiority. I mean we can say that had Romo and Austin hooked up in the home game that we win the division and we can try to put ourselves behind the 8-ball thinking we are only one play or player away or we can recognize that for the last two years we have picked in the top half of the draft and are in-fact a below average team with plenty of good and a few great players.
Brandon Carr would be long term thinking as he's only 26
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
But I do think
that Carr is part of a big picture plan. We could get high level of play from this guy and improve a position of need for the next half decade. I don’t that it would be impulsive to sign him. It would be different if Carr was 30 years old. That would be dumb, but because of his age, Carr could figure into the big picture
Brandon Carr
Is Carr a top 15 CB in the league? I bet we have to pay him like one. CB is not like WR this offseason there is not a flooded market. Overpaying is NEVER a good idea. Overpaying for anything is never a good idea. I would rather have players that we trade to other teams because they want to get paid rather than overextend ourselves for one guy.
paying Carr what he's worth IS NOT overpaying
Overpaying is slapping the franchise tag on Anthony Spencer at $8.8 million for 1 season, or paying Spencer a contract that takes an average cap hit of $6million/year.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Exactly
I can’t stand the thought of franchising Spencer and I certainly don’t want him back for 5-6 mil for several years either. Ugh
Draft a replacement and give Butler a chance
by "It's your world, my universe" on Feb 26, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Overpaying
Is it overpaying if it’s the market value? It’s kinda like pitching in baseball. You “overpay” for it, but you gotta pay market value if you want it.
I don't think we would be overpaying for a 26-year old with starting experience and is getting better yearly, plus is an RKG locker room-wise..
And I believe he is top 15-20 cb.
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
Reasonble Price
If Carr doesn’t want elite money than fine I am glad to have him otherwise go let someone else pay you. The fact that KC has a ton of cap-space and doesn’t have a plethora of good players and is letting Carr walk should be a red flag!
a red flag of mediocre drafting over the years, and paying a boat load of money to Matt Cassell
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
So what is Carr worth?
$4 Mil a year? 5?
i think we need to know what he should get paid before we give him extra just to have him!
He would probably get
7-8m a year… but that doesn’t mean the cap hit would be that much this season. I would be fine with having a 5m cap hit for one of the better corners in the league though.
We will not be buying the Free Agents we all want until we cut people and restructure though.
To get a feel for what we could free up and who is costing us too much.. look here
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4690308/cowboys-top-2012-salary-cap-figures
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Routt got over 6 million a year
I think that Jonathon Joseph’s contract is the starting point for negotiations. Ask Texans fans if they liked “overpaying” for Joseph last year. Defense went from terrible to really good in one off season. they also added other key players, but it proves it can be done. I think signing Carr is a great starting point for fixing this defense.
They need to spend a bunch on offense.
Carr would be our number one, so he would get number one money, which KC already spent on Brandon Flowers. They too don’t want to overspend by paying number 1 money twice, when they have other needs. They can’t just go crazy with spending either, as they have holes to fill. That’s why they opted to go Routt and Reeves. Oh and he will command 8-9 mil per year.
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
All in for Carr and Wells
Forget Nicks, spend that 9-10 mil on Wells and a safety, preferably Branch.
If the FO plays this offseason right, they can get an upgrade at every hole. The key is what happens with Spencer.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 26, 2012 5:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Priorities
Out of OL, DE, OLB, ILB, CB, and S Which two or three are the most important?
I say OL, CB and S.
priorities
Interior oline and secondary are 1 A and 1B. Cowboys need to figure out the best way to address all these needs through free agency, draft, and people already on the roster stepping up.
OL,CB, and S with OLB, DE close behind
by Ceasaleo on Feb 26, 2012 5:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not convinced
Dallas needs to sign a FA CB like Carr. He’s too expensive.
How much will the Boys be paying for CBs NEXT YEAR when Jenkins wants to be re-signed? Carr will be commanding upwards of $8mil/yr, Scandrick already makes $6 mil/yr – Jenkins will want more than Scan and that will be $20 mil / yr for 3 average to solid rated CBs!
Carr may look good now but a cheaper solution (for years beyond the next) should be found and secured now. Terrell Thomas is a better option.
I don't like his injury status
Lilly, Hayes, Staubach, Waters, Dorsett, Bates, Novacek, Emmitt, Woodson, Ware, Witten, Lee. The Legacy lives on.
There is risk involved
but when you’re cap strapped, you gotta take some chances…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
what if we signed Carr this year, draft another CB this spring
and let Jenkins walk next year?
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
I'm good with that
but Jerry Jones tends to “fall in love” w/ his players. I don’t know if he’d be willing to part w/ him.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Jason Garrett has been the one making decisions about who stays and goes now
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
I sure hope so
I’m more of a fan of re-signing players who have been part of your system (and like it). They tend to be discounted and they tend to make for a more stable condition. I’d rather take a risk on a lesser known guy to play CB 2 or 3 then with trying to make Carr into a legitimate #1 and pay him what Nnamdi, Revis and the like make money-wise.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine with re-signing guys who deserve to be re-signed
we can agree to disagree if you’d like, but I’m not a fan of bringing back Spencer and Jenkins. I feel these guys can be replaced in the draft. Thank em for their service, but let them move on.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Another guy I let walk next year is Felix Jones
Unless I can trade him for a draft pick in the 2-4 rd range.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Yes, we disagree
which i’m cool with.
Nothing about Spencer tells me not to resign him UNLESS he wants too much money.
Jenkins isn’t as good a CB as I think everyone gives him credit for. I actually think he’s average. I do, however, think he’s better than Scandrick. The real problem the Boys have is the fact that JJ severely overpaid Scan – that skews any future contracts of CBs who are better…
Felix, like Spencer, should be resigned if the $ is right. He’s not horrible but he’s not some elite RB either. He’s average. You pay average players average salaries.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that you pay average guys average salaries
but you can also find suitable replacements who have potential to exceed the current performance of those two players for less cost towards the cap. that’s how teams like Pittsburgh, New England, Indy, and Philly operate.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
True but those teams you just mentioned
DRAFT better than the Boys do. You BUILD a team through the draft and you accentuate your team w/ a few veterans here and there to help out in areas of concern. To do the other way around is extremely expensive – so expensive in fact that you don’t have any $ to pay current players who deserve it.
Dallas is routinely “restructuring” guys contracts to make more cap room. Austin, Romo, Ware, Witten . . . when does it stop? If they had more players who were good enough to hold down a starter spot on their rookie salary (like Smith and Lee), all this money shuffling wouldn’t be necessary.
The Boys drafted Jenkins, Spencer, FJ, Spencer and many others in the 1st round. None of these players are better than solid players. The masses seem to not want Spencer back and probably will be saying the same thing about Jenkins next year. But, the team KEPT Scandrick? Really?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
You don't think the Steelers
Patriots or Indy draft better? Really?
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Patriots drafting has been bad
The Cowboys have drafted better than the Pats recently. Look through the Pats last few drafts and compare them to the Cowboys. Obviously, the 2009 draft was terrible for the Cowboys, but the Pats have been really bad at drafting recently. How many of their starters did they draft? This is one of the biggest misconceptions in the league. Everybody thinks that anything Belicheat touches turns to gold. Remember Ochocinco and Haynseworth in the offseason? I know this was free agency and not the draft, but it goes to show that everybody gives the Pats a free pass on everything. Having a hall of fame QB covers up years of poor drafting (just like Manning did for the Colts).
pats drafting
Just like Jimmy Johnson after the Walker trade, If you get a lot draft picks – you don’t have to hit on every one. IF one is a hiti, great, if not try again.
We're in agreement
“You BUILD a team through the draft and you accentuate your team w/ a few veterans here and there to help out in areas of concern. To do the other way around is extremely expensive – so expensive in fact that you don’t have any $ to pay current players who deserve it.”
But I would argue the following:
1) Signing Carr isn’t doing the “otherway around” it’s actually “accentuating the team” by filling an area of concern, namely CB.
2) I wasn’t in favor of bringing back Scandrick, but it just happened that his contract came up before Jenkins’ contract. My guess is, they felt they should lock him down (for now) and then cut their ties with Newman after 2011, and figure out what do with Jenkins during the 2011 and 2012 seasons.
3) Felix Jones and Anthony Spencer have been solid. Here’s the thing, Spencer is going to want more than just $3-5/year when the tag price is $8.8million (if they tag him, he makes more than Tony in 2012), and with all the Spencer agents on this board talking him up, he would be smart to not accept anything below $6-7 million a year, which Dallas can’t afford. A guy like Ahmad Brooks could probably be had for less than that, he’s played 18 less games than Spencer and has put up comparable numbers. Replacing Spencer’s production with a cheaper guy like Brooks, and a rookie and Victor Butler would be prudent.
4) Felix Jones’ injury history suggests he should be allowed to test FA. You could find more durable cheaper versions of him in the draft. That’s good gm strategy.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
by Rohpuri on Feb 26, 2012 7:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The Problem is Scandrick
I think that should be the subject of an article…
Not with him as a person but his CONTRACT. Once the Boys signed him to it, they committed themselves to him being AT LEAST the #2 CB or to dedicating over $20 mil / yr to CB salaries.
I never thought Scandrick was any good – perhaps a 4th CB on a not very good team. But whenever a guy like that receives a 6 yr deal, the team is telling the kid that they like him and they want to keep him around. The problem comes in whenever you try and sign any other CB who thinks they are better than Scan. They, of course, want more $. Carr will want top FA money and Jenkins will want AT LEAST as much as Scandrick.
Scan’s contract was a mistake but once it happened, Dallas would be better served biting the bullet and just living w/ whatever production they can get from him. Trying to rectify the mistake by signing a guy to play the position Scan should be playing is not money smart this year or for the next 3-5 years.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
Scandrick's contract
$10 million bonus
$18 million for 6 years
Base Salary: $3m/yr
Cap hit: $4.66m/yr ($1.66/yr + $3m)
a) The fact the Cowboys are publicly defendinf that deal and supposedly coveting Brandon Carr, and looking to draft a couple more tells me: No Terence Newman in 2012; Mike Jenkins is not in their long term plans.
b) If Scandrick doesn’t stay healthy and improve his play over the next two years, he won’t see the end of that deal. Most players in the league never see the end of big contract.
c) It’s less money than Quentin Jammer’s 6 year $30.8m ($13.5 guaranteed) deal.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
by Rohpuri on Feb 26, 2012 7:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you give 10 million
to a player you want to cut in 2 years?
Quentin Jammer is NOT a 3rd CB.
Jenkins isn’t in the team’s long term plans . . . I actually never thought of that. You may be right (he is injury prone).
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Spencer wasn't in the team's long term plans until 2 weeks ago
1 month ago his agent hadn’t even been contacted by the Dallas front office for contract discussions once. Now he’s under consideration for a fracking franchise tag.
So let’s tap the brakes on the idea that this team can think further than 1 season ahead.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
You do realize that this could be for a number of reasons.
Says very little about the FO’s plans.
by Omar Little on Feb 26, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I would bet a ton of money that
the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones (that’s billionaire Jerry Jones), think beyond this season in terms of contracts, personnel and direction. You don’t make a billion dollars w/o having some long range planning skills…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it was all part of the plan to cut Andre Gurode at the end of training camp
With no one but a UDFA on the roster to replace him who was literally the worst center in the NFL in 2012.
All part of the plan. All part of the plan.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Things don't always workout according to plan
They have Butler as a back up to Spencer, so I’d hardly compare this to Costa.
by Omar Little on Feb 26, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
It WAS part of the plan
what would you rather have – a C who’s 34, is NOT going to get any better and you pay him 5+ mil for the year or an upcoming C who’s younger, who MAY get better (don’t really know yet) and you pay him less than 750k?
Sounds like a pretty smart plan to me…Costa didn’t play well but we’ll never know if Gurode would’ve played better. He was a backup OG in Bmore.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Oh no, now there's disagreement on what the plan is!
All part of the plan to not cut Gurode in March when all the other free agents were cut, not sign a center in free agency, not draft a center, and then make the switch at the end of training camp after giving Gurode many of the starting reps that could have helped Costa learn.
Yep, all part of the master plan.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Gurode was pretty cooked...
They cut him because if they’d rather have a crappy Center they may as well not pay a lot for him. He had a solid 2010, and it’s not unreasonable to think that he could have looked okay in Camp (looked fine in 2010) but once the time came everyone realized that you may as well stick a fork in him?
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
They wanted Unger in 2009
This is more negative repercussions of the Roy Williams trade. Basically had they had an okay draft in 2009 some of these holes would be filled. I’d say we do know that Gurode would’ve sucked too…I mean he was a back up guard, that doesn’t say “starting center” to me.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Good old conspiracy theory logic
So when things work out well it’s part of the plan they clearly have all written down on paper in a secret underground vault beneath area 51. You know, plans like Miles Austin becoming their #1 WR, good flow chart on that one.
When things don’t work out, well then it just didn’t always go “according to plan” which I guess means something?
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Things DIDN'T work out well
Costa SUCKED! Big time. But at least you gave yourself a chance AND you didn’t overpay for the poor production.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 26, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Also,
Remember how the team trusted Scandrick more than Jenkins with PT their first season in 2008 and into the 2009 season?
This team really likes Scandrick.
Quite a few teams hand out double figure signing bonuses to a player they end up releasing 2-3 years down the road. It’s nothing new.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
Yes they do, all the time
BUT, that’s not their EXPECTATION…
If you own a business – any business – and you find an employee who shows promise, you might pay him/her a lil extra to see if you can get them to increase production. If the incentive works, great – you’re a genius. If not, you cut bait and look for the next promising employee.
Almost every contract in the NFL is a “guess” on how well you THINK the player will do. Rat is the only contract that I can think of, lately, the the Boys paid for PAST production.
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 27, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
Realize you are holding up the Eagles as a example.
Who won the “lets sign every big name FA to buy the Super Bowl” last year award.
And Indy who had the worst record in the NFL.
the eagles replace average players
with young guys, and would’ve parted ways with Newman before he had his 2011.
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by Rohpuri
In the first round and on the "third day"—rounds 4-7, the Cowboys draft as well as anyone. But, ohh, those awful second and third rounds. A gallery of horrors…
by rabblerousr
by Rohpuri on Feb 26, 2012 6:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
age discriminators
It is 30 and out for the eagles. May not be the best, but they have been at the high end of talent for a long time. They keep replenishing their talent pool with younge guys.
The lose out in loyalty with their eyeshade mentality but they have been abe to compete for a long time. They could afford to go after many players, because their cap was on the low side. They tended not to spend all their cash in the past and were ready when they wanted to.
I agree, but you still have to fill out a roster
Newman was actually a good corner prior to Thanksgiving, but it all went to hell after that. I guess they figured they could get decent production out of Newman and would have rather rolled with Newman than Josh Thomas, it worked out okay up until December.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Newman quality
He has talent, but has been worn down as age and injury has worn him down.
Yet I suspect we held on to him this year because of the cap hit and trying to get ONE more year out of him.
We certainly took on some dead money in the O transformation last year. RW, MBIII, Choice, Davis, Colombo were cut/not resigned on O.
Our secondary has been put together with balling wire and chewing gum as we went young and cheap starting two years ago. They have been in the midst of transition.
Given the bizzare off-season we had last year we focused on the upgrading the Offense. The Defense will get a make-over this year as Ryan has a full year to evaluate and install his D.
Yeah 2010 was another lost opportunity
I mean they were a pretty good team in 2009, and it’s tempting to go for it when you’re hosting the Super Bowl but in hindsight they should have made all the cuts then. Bigg, Colombo, reworked Newman, RW, MBIII, and all the other dead weight. Pay off all the money in an uncapped year and look to the future later.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
uncapped year
I was screaming to take advantage of the uncapped year to dump some big contracts and get a clean slate going forward. You rightly point out some of the ones we ultimately cut anyhow. It would have hurt for ONE YEAR, but we would have been in great position going forward.
I was calling for us to dump Davis on production alone, but the ability to cut him without cap effects was a no-brainer. We did not as he we had only Davis, Kosier and Holland on the team as guards and did not try to get any other guys that year.
Ehh what can you do...
Jerry’s a competitor and I can’t think of any franchise that wouldn’t have done the same thing.
sometimes you take a leap
We completely overhaulled the OL in one year. We should have made more progress over time, but Garrett finally bit the bullet.
Although to be fair, we started the overhaul the year before, as we totally changed the BACKUPS. We even brought in the notorious Baron as insurance to give time for Young, Brewster and eventually Parnell to develop.
Costa was a UDFA who was a sleeper to make the team. He beat out Bright who was given the job on a platter after we ended the Proctor experiment.
Proctor was the priimary backup but waw often game day elegible because he could fill all the interior line positions. Holland was a much better guard but was ONLY a guard.
The overhaul isn't done yet...
But I see your point, it takes something big to do that. Last season was the first year that Jerry fired a coach mid-season, so obviously:
A.) The situation is dire, and more optimistically
B.) Jerry’s able to change.
by Omar Little on Feb 28, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Jerry changes
Jerry has always been ready to change. He might take some time to convince him but consider the following Jerry rules that were once sancrosanct.
Never pay LB money -until Dexter, DAT
Never draft a OL in first round.
I think Jerry keeps the final decision, but will listen to a coach/scout who puts a good argument together.
Ehhh...
Spencer I think kinda has to be back, yeah you might get a better guy than him in the draft but you also might not. If you draft a Spencer replacement, that’s another pick that doesn’t go to the interior OL or the secondary. Jenkins? Yeah, I think they should look deep in the draft for corners. You know the names:
Gilmore
Minnifield
Flemming
Johnson
Prater
Boykin
Norman
If they can get the right one out of those guys (and obviously Brandon Carr) I’d be okay with letting Jenkins walk.
I'm on board....
Sign Carr…keep the cap hit around 5 mil.
1.D. Decastro – G
2.M.Barron – SS
3.A. Ta’amu – NT
4.C. Rainey – KR
Extremely optimistic…but it’s that time of year.
by death of the cool on Feb 26, 2012 6:15 PM CST reply actions
And where is our CB in there? We need 3 this off season.
And Barron is a 1st rounder, not a mid 2nd.
Sign a corner, draft a good safety I can dig it
They’d draft more corners later, hopefully more succesfully than Jamal Wall
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 26, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
latest rumors are that barron may drop to early second
by dmagikwand on Feb 26, 2012 8:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I would trade up to get him
before the injury I thought he was worth our #14 pick.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
To put a value on it
I’d trade our 2nd, 4th, and 5th to get him.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
I like Carr - he's the best CB available and he is worth it...
If its anyone else, I say go after Claiborne or Kirkpatrick instead… again there is tons of focus on QBs in the early part of the draft. You never know how far these guys will fall… Coples/Ingram/Upshaw, Kirpatrick, Decastro, Barron, lots of choice/options.
I agree chances are we keep Spencer but still need to look at DE, CB, S, OG/OC in the early rounds. If Kalil or Blackmon are available when we draft do you take one of them?
I'd love to have him
So we definitely won’t sign him. Jerry won’t allow me to be happy about something like this.
I m not all in for Carr, but for reasonable price
this is highly touted FA, so forget reasonable price…. so what is market looking like for Carr? I guess he will get more than Joseph, so we are looking at 5-50?
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
With our $20M in Cap...
i still have a hard time seeing JJ paying one FA $9M+ of our cap. We just have too many holes to fill.
I’m all for Carr but I just don’t think we can afford a bidding war and $9M+. If we can get him of an average of say $7M maybe that could be doable.
I’m also concerned what I’m hearing from the Cowboys in regards to wanting both Spencer and Robinson back. If they do go after both of these guys…Spencer could cost $6-$7M and Robinson another $3.5-$4M? That $10M+ and then add Carr and you’re at probably $17-$18M without a veteran C, LB, backup QB, etc…
Cutting TNew
Adds another 6 mil of cap space.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 26, 2012 7:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The $21 million cap space number assumes TNew will be cut
Cowboys currently have $17 million in cap space, they should add $4 million by cutting Newman resulting in $21 million in cap space.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
It's 6 mil
if he is designated as a June 1st cut. That gives us 23 mil. We need every nickel.
Trade-offs
When it comes to the salary cap everything is a trade-off. Don’t believe someone can get you a magic extra $2 million more than they can sell you the brooklyn bridge.
If you cut Newman after June 1st you do get a bit more salary cap room this year, but the extra $2 million doesn’t dissappear, you have to pay for it in 2013. Cuts after June 1st amortize the pay over 2 years.
There’s no free lunch, when it comes to the salary cap you’re always paying for it.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is true
but you also have like 21 mil coming off the cap in 2013 plus whatever increase normally comes with the cap in a new year. It’s not free money but it allows a little wiggle room right now.
Cap's going to explode soon.
And teams will have to start paying a higher floor, this is probably the offseason to pay someone if there is one.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
You can do wonderful things with the cap....
Carr’s cap hit will never be 9 mil.
by death of the cool on Feb 27, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
Here's how a $50 million, five year contract could be made very cap friendly this year
This is modeled on Jonathan Joseph’s contract. Signing Bonus 12.5 million, 24.5 guaranteed (first two years fully guaranteed).
2012 base: 2m, cap hit: 4.5 m
2013 base: 10m, cap hit 12.5 m
2014 base: 8.5 m, cap hit: 11 m
2015 base: 8.5 m, cap hit 11 m
2016 base: 8.5 m, cap hit 11 m
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 27, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
After saying that, let me also say
screw it, lets jump in and get him, a nice guard,robinson and a serviceable center in FA. I’m not worried about Spencer. Well survive, perhaps flourish with Butler, et al.
Do this and go straight up BPA all the way down the list in draft.
We have a three year window with our core intact, but we can build on that with 8 picks, BPA.
I’m thinking of a recurrent line from the movie Risky Business here.
by dmagikwand on Feb 27, 2012 11:47 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I am all for signing Carr. Fewer growing pains if any.
He solidifies the weakest area of the team. You don’t use any draft picks. I rather sign studs who can play and drafting roster depth. If he is the only major stud we sign that’s ok too. No reason to use all your cap space just because you have it. You don’t need to sign 4-5 jags. We don’t have enough studs.
The roster will work itself out. Help in the middle of the o line and secondary are the two weakest areas. Drafting DeCastro would help solve the middle of the o line. In all we need 10 new players at various positions. Can’t do all of that in one off season.
Regarding the tagging of players. The cap will go up next year. This will probably be the cheapest tag at any point during the current cba.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
If the guy's a player,
You’ll have to pay to sign him. Don’t overpay or you’ll be in cap hell, but if the market dictates a player is worth a certain figure, you either pay or pass.
JJ Must figure out how much money he has to spend by looking at everyway he can maneuver to increase his cap room and project the ramifications of pushing dead money into the future. Then you assign a salary to each player you’re interested in and try to sign him. In Spencer’s case, if he has more value in a 4-3 system and that team is willing to pay more you pass, but for Carr or Nix or Williams, if you can afford one and you can compete with the market pay for the quality.
With the new CBA we’ll be lucky to get decent play out of any draft picks because of the shortened contract lengths. The new CBA was designed to reward vets rather than unproven rookies. If a rookie pans out you’re going to have to pay to keep him.
Trying to figure out what we should pay a player is complex and must be based on skill, value to the team, Available cap room, future cap consequences, but you can’t be cheap or you’ll just be signing a bunch of JAGS.
Most good team don’t draft any better than we do. What they do is churn their roster and avoid overpaying veterans beyond their ability to maintain superior play.
IMO, the prime example of this would be if the Colts picked up Mannings 28 mil option. That would put them in cap hell.
SJ just needs to be smart about contracts and the cap and we can sign those we covet.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Yea like signing Rat to a thank you contract.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 27, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions
Decastro maybe gone i still like dre
even with the signing. He can be on the field as free safety if he is a ballhawk let him stay for good if not then insurance against Jenkins this year and next when he could be cut.
by dmagikwand on Feb 27, 2012 12:08 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Jason Jones
Jones from the Titans is another guy that intrigues me. He played outside as a 4-3 end last year and didn’t fare so well, but the year before PFF listed him as a 3-4 end, where he was a monster, especially in pass rush. I remember him being so explosive in that game against us in 2010, it would be great to add him to our team. He’s also quoted as wanting to go to a team that will play him inside. Give me Jason Jones first, and if we still have room, then we go get Carr
I like this
jason jones would be awesome
by Oshawa Cowboy on Feb 26, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
No one’s been talking about him, which is not too surprising considering he had a bad year but he was miscast as a 4-3 end, so i thought i’d hear more talk about him
by fearthestar94 on Feb 26, 2012 8:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
this is a random and off topic comment but...
I’m starting to think how it would suck oh so badly if the redskins give up everything to go all in for RG3. He gets more amazing each day as a prospect. Mike Vick with a brain and a prettier ball.
Imagine having to game plan for RG3 and Mike Vick twice each year.
Once again, this is all the more reason to have a bunch of mashers on the OL, keep them on the bench about 40mins a game.
by dmagikwand on Feb 26, 2012 9:21 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Prepare for the Redskins to be a spoiler
Dan Snyder is tired of being a laughing stock. Shanahan knows that if he doesn’t make the playoffs this year he’s going to get fired.
I’d say the chances are extremely good that we will either see Peyton Manning or RG3 in a Redskins uniform next year.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm Minnesota I might select him and toy around with the rest of the league and find out who wants to give up the farm
No takers? Fine…well keep him.Hey, somebody give us a second rounder for Ponder, we pulled the trigger too early on him last year anyways.
by dmagikwand on Feb 26, 2012 10:47 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Imagine having to game plan for RG3 and Mike Vick twice each year.
No. Please no.
Bruce Carter better be ready to play great ball week 1 if thats the case. Because I’m not sure how many players we have that can athletically compete with those two. The 1st Philly game was a total debacle, and Vick’s movement played a big role in that.
I was thinking about Carter when i typed that
I could see part of the gameplan involving carter doing nothing but following griifin/vick the whole game.
by dmagikwand on Feb 27, 2012 10:24 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
DraftInsider.net has this to say regarding Carr/Cowboys:
Sunday, February 26th
- Teams here in Indianapolis feel when the dust clears in free agency cornerback Brandon Carr will be the newest member of the Dallas Cowboys. The team will then look to use their first selection on an offensive lineman, but who? Last night we reported the Baltimore Ravens would likely target Cordy Glenn. They may need a back-up plan as word is Glenn continues to sky-rocket up draft boards and ending up with Dallas in the top half of round one is a real possibility.
yes to Carr no to Glenn
Carr, Myers in Fa, draft DeCastro massoqui(sp) lloka(sp) and its done. find a vet ILB boom 16-0 ;)……………ok maybe 15-1
PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ DeCastro!!!!!!!!!
by yehti on Feb 26, 2012 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think DeCastro will be off the board by the time we pick
Interior linemen have been jumping up draft boards in the last 2 seasons and DeCastro is clearly the best interior O-lineman in a great many drafts.
As the boards are taking shape I’m beginning to believe something strange might happen. A trade down, a Cordy Glen, and 2 second-round picks isn’t an insane Dallas strategy.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 26, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
If Richardson, is there I could see a trade down with Cincy
- and their 2nd round pick for #14.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 26, 2012 10:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Very Possable Richardson is Still Available
He didn’t run at the combine while other backs did, and they looked good. If our top targets are taken before we are on the clock Richardson,(along with others), may be enough to have some team that has multiple picks make a nice offer. Cincy badly needs a running back.
An amazing number of very fast, really big, and able receivers made quite an impression too. Boards changed.
this is the worst crop of RB in years.
For God and country - Geronimo
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 27, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
please let this happen!
While I’m not in favor of this string of moves (past and future) of resigning average talent, this defense sorely needs another great player. Ware, Lee and Carr would give us a decent core of upper level talent, something that we haven’t had much of since 2007.
I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with signing Carr to $9 mil if it takes that.
If we would have drafted Carr 4 yrs ago and he was “our” player would we resign him for $9 mil? The answer is yes, he’s good enough and he’s young. He is good and would help this D a thousand times more than spencer would. I pray we sign Carr I don’t care if it takes $9.5 mil he’s worth it he’s young and he’s at our #1 need position. This is a no brained to me.
by Dynamicduo on Feb 26, 2012 9:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The team is always short players.......
because of this thinking. It would take a miracle draft and cheap FAs to show up to rationalize this move.
2-3 big contracts need to go on the team. It’s about downsizing, cheap young players and making cap room as an incentive. This is more of the fantasy that the Cowboys are “a few players away” which is the usual cultural delusion of the front office and the average wanker fan. It isn’t true.
Well I'm not the average "wanker" fan I'm on here a hell of a lot more than you are, I played college football and your wrong.
Super bowl teams don’t have super stars across the board. They have star players at each level. That means someone in the front 7 (ware), someone in the back 5 (Carr and Jenkins together), QB (romo), WR (Dez, Austin, Witten), RB (Murray), and OL (Tron). We even have a stud on the D-line in Ratliff. We need a cb, we need an average to above average safety, we need an upgrade at gaurd and we need an upgrade at center. That makes 4 positions that def need upgraded. If we let spencer walk and sign Carr he’s only going to cost us on average about $2mil more a yr and that’s money much better spent. Carr is young so we are getting younger, he’s a leader, hehapless hard, he’s good, he’s worth it. Your the “wanker” moron fan that knows nothing of football. I still say we r two yrs away, but no reason this team shouldn’t make the playoffs this yr and win a game. We sign Carr, hopefully draft decastro, or an OLB in the first, get another starter in the second, pick up a C in free agency, resign Elam and winging bango bongo we r a playoff team. This team has a lot of talent we need some depth and we need a few more GOOD players, LIKE CARR!!
by Dynamicduo on Feb 27, 2012 6:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hehapless? Let's try that again, he plays hard**
iPhone
by Dynamicduo on Feb 27, 2012 6:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Woah now...
Now you’re making sense, that’s not allowed here. You must remember that this team is always overrated and can never ever do anything good. Nothing good’s happened since Jerry bought the team, NOTHING!!!!!!!
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
As for the dig at we Jerry haters,
nothing good has happened since the salary cap and free agency was instituted. Jerry has never adapted to not being able to sign whomever he wants for any amount he wants.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
Yeah, the Cowboys haven't had good teams in the salary cap era...
You do realize that the salary cap was Jerry’s idea right? That’s probably the biggest mistake he’s made.
Oh sweet sweet irony. Life's funny, huh?
WAKE UP, JERRY!
"Hope is not a strategy" Billy Beane
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
The players wanted Free Agency and Jerry countered with
if they get FA, then the owners get a salary cap. It was normal contract negotiating and good business sense.
And it is ironic as all get out that Jerry is the GM that seems to have the most trouble managing the cap. I guess you can take the wildcatter out of the oil field speculation, but you can’t take the oil field speculation out of the man.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
How is this shortsighted?
as DynamicDuo said, if we had drafted Carr, wouldn’t we be talking about resigning him for a 9 million deal? So whats the difference now?
Ok, let me see if I can get this straight
the Boys target Carr. Other teams do as well. His agent works the phones and gets Carr the best deal he can. Ultimately, it’s in the ballpark of 7-8 mil / yr for 5 to 6 years. Guaranteed $ in the neighborhood of 20 million.
Still with me?
Now, regardless of how the Boys structure the contract (signing bonus, guaranteed $, etc.) they will have to at least pay the guarantee. So, that means Carr will be getting somewhere around 9-10 mil / yr for the 1st 2 years. At the same time, Scandrick will be getting his guaranteed money and Jenkins will be playing his final contract year – hoping to resign.Of course, Jenkins will want more than Scan (and probably the same amount as Carr).
If the Boys sign Carr and look to resign Jenkins for 2013-14, that’ll be around $20 million for just Jenkins and Carr. They can cut Scan w/ minimal cap hit, but then they’re right back in the same situation needing another CB.
A better plan – sure, I got one. You DRAFT a CB in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round and you HOPE (that’s right HOPE and PRAY), he can develop/compete for a starting CB job one day. Additionally, you set up Scan and Jenk as your starting CBs. You nuture them. You teach them the scheme with the full off season. But most importantly, you find a better SAFETY to improve the overall secondary. Tyvon Branch or Dashon Goldson would be worth at least 1/2 the money that Carr is seeking.
In the meantime, you sign a lesser known (and cheaper) CB to fill in as the #3 (or #2 if Scandrick fails) CB. Someone like Richard Marshall or Terrel Thomas.
Is the plan risky – of course it is. But, it’s a whole HELL of a lot cheaper. But sooner or later, the Boys have got to trust their scouting dept and let younger guys play. They tried it this year along the O line and it didn’t work out so well. But they have to keep on trying. Their cap situation dictates that…
by Tyrone Jenkins on Feb 27, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
It's about math. It either adds up or it doesn't!!
Car is too expensive. Dallas has way too many holes to fill to be spending he 20 or so mil in one or two places. Heck, even if ALL our 7/8 draft picks were hits Dallas would still be a few short. Only 3 draft picks will likely be starter material if we are lucky. It just doesn’t add up, period.
by torchindefenses on Feb 26, 2012 10:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Correctomundo.......
torch,
It’s more clueless talk.
Clueless?
Well consider last year with much less cap space we nearly signed another cornerback (Nmandi) for more money than is being projected for Carr.
I’m not saying it’s the wisest move but to say it’s not happening might be….
by livemontana on Feb 26, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Why do people insist that a team has to be entirely devoid of any holes whatsoever
to be able to contend?
You guys watch games in this league at all? Every team is seriously flawed on paper.
I’m far from the glass-half-full type, but add a nice corner, stabilize the interior OL, and this team has at least a shot at contending.
Also, improving certain positions tend to help other spots get better.
Maybe adding a Brandon Carr makes the pass rush better, maybe that turns the safeties into better players, etc….
The top UFA corners cost what they cost. What would you rather them do? Go for older guys, or lesser caliber ones? Do nothing at all?
Draft a corner at 14? Far from a sure thing in more ways than one.
Yeah, this idea of "fill all the holes"
only ensures we’ll fill them with cheap (mediocre) players and 5th-round draft picks and guess what? They’ll still be holes.
We need to incrementally improve from last year, not try to get perfect at once. Our O-line is going to get better from last year EVEN WITHOUT ANY SIGNINGS OR DRAFTS. Why? Lots of people were hurt, and lots of people were young. Tyron but also Nagy and Arkin and yes, Kowalski and Costa, are only getting better. They’re not elite. But they’ll do.
Our pass rush is going to get worse unless we either keep Spencer or replace him. So we need a plan there—not necessarily a lot of money for a JAG, but a plan
Our secondary, which already stinks, is going to get worse as Newman ages or (realistically) is already gone. Which means we need a solid, high-caliber player there. There’s just no two ways about it. It doesn’t have to be Carr, but it does have to be someone.
We need to sign Elam (or someone just as good) and Robinson (or someone just as good) and Fiametta (or someone just as good) or we get weaker at those positions.
We don’t need to fill all holes. We need to make sure we’re at least as good as last year at some positions—and that we get better at some positions. I think secondary is the logical choice for “get better,” but I’d take a JAG secondary if we can get better at another position (e.g., D-line or O-line).
What I won’t take is trying so hard to get better everywhere that we end up with more JAGs at every position, which are then holes we try to fill next year, with more JAGS, which become holes we try to fill the year after that . . . .
by boyman on Feb 27, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
word usage
average does not mean mediocre.
NFL has a star system where the very best get way better salaries than merely the above average. There is a sweet spot for money/production that is NOT the mediocre.
Further, the team has holes with not just average but TERRIBLE players for depth. Replace those guys with just AVERAGE guys and the team is significantly improved.
PFF scores for several players and then looking at how that compares to players at those same positions on a percentile basis
Newman …….14th percentile
Ball……………..26th percentile
Scandrick…….23rd percentile
Some of that can be explained by injuries and missing games but the depth at DB was poor to say the least. That allowed other teams to exploit holes. Getting just a guy or two average – 40-60 percentile – would help significanlty and they would be considerably cheaper than a big name.
Simlarly at ILB
Brooking……12 percentile
James……….24 percentile
Expect some work at FB
Fiammetta……07th percentile
Phiilips………..21st percentile
Center
Costa…….14th percentlle for a 2nd year UDFAwill be replaced by Kowalksi, IMO
Others
Spears ……25th percentile DE
Elam,,,,,,,,,,36th percentile S -
But even here Elam added value as he allowed Sensy to play to his skill set and installed the Dwithout the coaching staff in the offseason
Okay, so what is Carr's percentile?
And Richard Marshall and Terrel Thomas?
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
PFF percentiles
Carr………….. 30 of 109 – 72 percentile
Marshall………52 0f 109 – 52 percentile
T Thomas……not listed
for CB with 25 % of the snaps
Damn! Sign Carr, draft Decastro, then DE/OLB then CB/S!
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
1. There will be more than 20 or so mil to spend, more like 25 or so mil.
2. IMO, you need starters at CB, G, C, and S. Depending on the Spencer situation OLB too.
3. Worst case scenario: Spencer gets franchised for 8.8, sign Carr for 9.5, and Wells at C for 6. Restructure a couple of contracts to get enough to sign a backup QB and your rookie pool. That leaves you with holes at S, G, and depth at ILB, CB, TE, and Dline, which can be plugged in the draft.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 26, 2012 10:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fans and front office never get it in Cowboyland........
The team is hopelessly top-heavy. That’s why it short 8-9 starters. This is more of the same thinking.
Dumping some larger contrats and getting compensation if possible should be the discussion. So if they sign him they sell some tickets but the team will be the same if not worse regardless of how he plays. It guarantees several holes somewhere else. Just as Ware and Ratliff already for example.
by Cwon1 on Feb 26, 2012 10:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
so I guess you loved the
the Scandrick, Sensabaugh and Spears resignings? Average players for ~5 mil a year?
You can’t fill out a team entirely with the draft and not keeping guys past their rookie contract. Nobody hits on all their picks or even most of their picks in this league.
I wouldn't have signed any of them.......
as a matter of fact.
Try again.,
Here's the Plan...
We far as immediate starters/players we need a G, C, 3rd WR, 3rd TE, OLB, S, ILB and two CBs.
G: DeCastro/DeCastro/Decastro…#14 pick.
C: Sign Wells (FA from GB) to a 3year contract ($4M/ty?) and draft a good C next year.
3Rd WR: Sign Robinson to $3M x 5 Years if possible…otherwise grab another FA for $3M.
3rd TE: Draft a TE prospect in rounds 4-7…a blocking TE if you can find one in this draft.
OLB: Going to have to go with Butler or a 2nd or 3rd round draft prospect.
S: Need to sign FA Branch (Oak) or Griffin (Ten) at say $6-$7M
ILB: Carter needs to be plugged into the ILB for better or worse….period.
CB: Carr (KC) at $8M and draft a good 2nd tier CB in round 2.
Draft: G (1st), CB (2nd), OLB (3rd), CB (4th), NT (4th), TE (5th), 6th/7th…whatever…
Ehhh
I like it. But, I’d take Myers at center. Draft a guy like Rainey or the RB from Boise St. in the third. Shop Felix for a fourth and take Broyles(Oklahoma) or Wright(Arkansas).
Sign Carr 9 mil(7 against this years cap), Myers 4mil, Soliai 5 mil, Spencer 5 mil, Huff 3 mil(Just got the finger from the Raiders. Coming off a big paycheck and may take a hometown discount. Has displayed his urge to play for the Cowboys as recently as last year.), Fiametta 2 mil, rookies 5 mil. Thats 31
minus a few guys like Kosier, Newman, Bueler, Ladoucer(heard DeCastro could snap), and Coleman.
Add in the restructuring options I keep hearing about and this is doable.
Get Decastro and focus on D
by mfoster on Feb 26, 2012 11:47 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Spencer From the Niners
Wouldn’t be bad either; but I’d rather see them go after Hardiwick or Myers at Center; then with the Oline dealt with they could turn FULL attention to the DEFENSE! They could think in terms of drafting DB’s, moving Spencer INSIDE with Lee and drafting a pass rusher to help Ware.
They DO NOT need DeCastro OR another WR (they have too many WR NOW (Bryant, Austin, Roobinson backed up by Harris Radway and Holley is enough!)
They should resign MORRIS to a one year deal as the third RB (behind Murray and Tanner) and let Felix go find.somebody else’s bench to hug (they can draft another RB to replace Morris NEXT YEAR). Buehler, Marty B., Ogletree, Brookings, James, Ball and Newman gotta go too.
GO COWBOYS! GET SOME BIG D! AH-OOO-AH!
getting back to BRANDON CARR….i would love to get him in a cowboys uniform,but there are a few teams that have DOUBLE our cap room,TAMPA BAY comes to mind,and they have a BIG need for corners or any defensive player for that matter,so i think if TAMPA decides they just have to have CARR then they will get him,they can simply pay more than us…here’s hoping they look in a different direction!!
Not sure if this has been relayed or not, but according to Tony Pauline of Sports Illustrated
We should change the countdown
It needs to read 15 days 8hours 16minutes til FA starts.
Carr to Dallas please be a day 1 signing!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Exactly....Change the Countdown Clock....please
FA is what we should all be looking forward to next.
Lots of rumors, smoke and mirrors to wade through before we see what actually happens…and what doesn’t happen.
Perhaps you should write a fanpost about it bigham. :)
Another positive
This would pretty much mean that they’re looking at DeCastro at 14.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
BPA in the draft
Yeah, OK, what if Trent Richardson is available at 14? Do you take him and trade Felix? A backfield of Richardson and Murray? 2 guys than ran for 2000 yards and 25+ TDs as Seniors in HS?
Richardson ran for 400 yards 2x
Murray 17TDs as a Sophmore, avg 12.7 ypc as a Senior, 27TDs
stupid
Why in the hell do you need two stud RBs?? Offensive skill players is the strength of the this team, we need more talented players up front on both lines and on the back end.
In Romo we Trust
Because the NFL goes through running backs faster than Charlie Sheen goes through condoms.
Agreed that I’d rather have the OL help, but I wouldn’t hate Richardson.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
The question then becomes
Richardson or Felix?
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Richardson, and it's not particularly close in my mind
I think Felix could be good with a better OL, but this is the NFL. Running backs have short shelf lives, with DeMarco’s brutal running style I can easily see him getting hurt, again. So having a guy that’s been the man, doesn’t have too much mileage on his legs, and can do it all…I’m okay with having him on the team.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure Charlie Sheen doesn't own a condom but I get it.
I like BPA but within twain. If Blackmon is sitting there with LR already signed you just have to let it slide. We have Felix one more year and who knows what a healthy Tanner might bring. He looked nice in Preseason.
by dmagikwand on Feb 27, 2012 11:55 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm no college guru
but unless that guy is AP in waiting, hes not worth the pick.
RBs are a dime a dozen. I can’t remember the last superbowl team that had an elite rb.
I’m not absolutely opposed to taking a rb in round 3-4, because I do believe Felix is in his last year and we should probably look elsewhere rather than extend him, but I’m not liking spending a mid 1st rounder on a rb.
More Faulk than AP
He’s a guy you can split out wide, he’s an every down back, he blocks, he catches passes, and he’s been the man for a full season. He’s a RB I’d give a good grade to on a top 10 pick.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think Richardson makes it to 14 but thats just me
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Yeah KC may take him now that Charles went down.
You can even see a team trading up for him. Hell, the Redskins might draft him if they sign Manning.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
The team that signs Matt Flynn too
There’s sense in that too.
by Omar Little on Feb 27, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Old School
I wish the EDITORS would go OLD TESTAIMENT on writers who use terms incorrectly. There is a reason why one should not covet thy neighbors______ [fill in the blank]
Words have both definitions and connotations and when used incorrectly they lose their power to inform.
WE should not COVET another CB especially one that coud send us back to caphell.
Believe for the 2013 season
Some greatly expanded TV contracts factor into the cap calculations, cap hell is going to have a lot more room.
'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5
This from someone who doesn't spell "Testament" correctly.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
"Meanwhile, like a bitter wine, Philadelphia’s jealousy fermented in the dark cellars of pride and resentment. With no playoff hopes of their own, Eagles fans turned towards hating the Cowboys." Steve Sabol, NFL films
And, the term "covet" was used correctly.
He may not like it for his own reasons, but that’s not the argument he made.
In the 17 seasons from 1966-1982, the Cowboys went at least to the conference championship game 14 times. In the 16 seasons from 1996-2011, the Cowboys have won 2 wild card games.
by fs65 on Feb 28, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
BPA?
Sure, IF that BPA is in one of your team’s remaining AREAS OF NEED! The Cowboys don’t NEED a GUARD; they NEED a CENTER! They don’t NEED another WR they NEED DB’S and another pass rusher!
GO COWBOYS! GET SOME BIG D! AH-OOO-AH!
So you would take Konz over DeCastro just because he's a center?
Great draft strategy
by FreshPrinceofEC on Feb 27, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
No, I'd Go After
Hardiwick or Myers in F/A (Spencer from the Niners too if they CAN land BOTH); move Costa to the Guard spot and draft a DB with the first pick.
GO COWBOYS! GET SOME BIG D! AH-OOO-AH!
What's with Jerry?
This is the first off-season I can remember that he positively can’t keep his mouth shut about what the Cowboys are in the markey for. In the past, a few hints, a little public wishing. This year, he is laying it our there, position by position, name by name AND IN WHAT ORDER. Does he want to get LESS for his money? And what he is talking about is too close to what we need to be misdirection. He is losing it fast. Or is this his desparate move to maintain interest in his team because he feels massive public unrest? Whatever the reason, showing our hand this early can never help, only hurt. Stephen, where are you?
"Hope is not a strategy" Billy Beane
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
No, it's already too late.
Carr’s agent and the other targeted FA’s already know. The damage is done.
"Hope is not a strategy" Billy Beane
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
Yeah I'm sure they check the ESPN rumors section before they do their negotiating.
Idiot.
by Omar Little on Feb 28, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Rumors?
Jerry has been quoted about desired players the entire off-season which gives the team zero advantage. Let the mockers and this site do all the speculating while the front office keeps it’s mouth shut. Idiot? That would be you.
"Hope is not a strategy" Billy Beane
"There is no cause for concern" Jerry Jones
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Where did Jerry Jones say that he wanted Brandon Carr? That’s borderline tampering, and the agents know what teams are interested already. Typically teams approach players, especially with players as good as Carr, Grimes, and Finnegan.
You might be the stupidest person here.
But what's the point in him doing it anyway?
What does it help?
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
not getting my hopes up till march 13th
Carr would be a great get if Dallas can get him. but didn’t like the way this article said the chiefs could franchise him and they are in good cap shape. Doesn’t sound promising, so not getting too excited about it till march 13th comes and he actually hits free agency, and the fact there are several teams that Dallas will competing against who have a 40 mil + in cap space.
Another Nice Aspect
Of going after Spencer; the Niners have already said they’d let him go if he doesn’t WANT to stay with them (which HE said he DIDN’T!)
GO COWBOYS! GET SOME BIG D! AH-OOO-AH!
BUY BUY BUY!!!
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