Roger Goodell Eyes Changes To The NFL; 34 Teams And Prime Time For All
by KD Drummond on Feb 4, 2012 12:00 PM CST
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PrintNFL Commisssioner Roger Goodell gave his annual State-Of-The-League address yesterday, from Indianapolis, site of this Sunday's Super Bowl. There were a handful of items that Goodell spoke to, a few with immediate impact, some with plans to be taken to the NFL Competition Committee and others that may be further down the line.
Immediately, the Commish stated that starting in 2012, the schedule will expand it's Thursday night lineup to start in Week Two and running through Week 15. That is a bit confusing, as the NFL has been running it's kickoff weekend, starting with a Thursday night game to great success. I'd assume that game will still happen and remain on ESPN, while the Week 2 through 15 schedule will be on NFL Network. This addition also comes with the guarantee that all 32 current NFL teams will play at least one primetime game a season.
I love the NFL as much as the next guy... heck, maybe I have more of an addiction than most. I worry that the primetime schedule will now be littered with Chiefs, Browns and Jaguars games and my addiction will force me to at least tune into the first half if the NFL is being broadcast. Damn you, crafty Goodell!
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It's well known that the NFL has wanted to return to the Los Angeles, America's second-largest market, since the Rams moved to St. Louis and the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1994. The commissioner seems like he and the owners want it to happen as well. However, in the kindler, gentler NFL Goodell risks alienating some local fan base if he relocates a franchise, no matter how fledgling, in order to make this happen. Can't have that in today's climate of social media trials and the such.
So the plan now seems to be expansion instead of relocation, and because of schedule quirks discovered the last time an odd number of teams roamed the standings ('99-'01 Browns gave the league 31 franchises), two teams will have to join the fold.
Hey, here's a thought. Since there are two viable groups with their own stadium sites trying to get a team in LA, award them both and put one in each conference. It's not like the city has shown it has better things to do than support a team. Oh wait, they have. Multiple times.
[UPDATE]On Friday, during his state of the league, Goodell backpedaled, stating that there are no plans to bring up expansion at this March's owner meetings. Personally though, when the commissioner lays out the expansion plan, doesn't state immediately that it isn't in the plans, it seems to this fan that he's simply trying to tuck the cat back in the bag.[/UPDATE]
Goodell also mentioned that he will recommend the competition committee take a look moving the trade deadline further back than it's current Week Six benchmark. Goodell doesn't support this, however. Personally, it makes a ton of sense that the teams be allowed to better get a grasp on their playoff chances, and knowing that they are truly out of the hunt could lead to some expiring contracts being moved around for draft picks or young prospects.
I don't know how much the NFLPA will be behind this move, since it's contingent isn't used to being treated as commodities the way other American professional sports players are.
He also spoke of the league's blackout rules, cold weather Super Bowls and how the new kickoff rules brought down the number of concussions in 2011, supposedly. Check out this article from the Sacramento Bee to read more on those topics.
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Hmmmm
To my understanding didn’t the commissioner stat that he and the other owners are very happy with the 32 team system. A few more comments leading to the no we do not want to expand at all. That’s what I got from his statements yesterday. Guess I was wrong.
by Sado44 on Feb 4, 2012 12:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
then i hope dallas staysoff monday and thursday nite games lol , i only have reg tv
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Again I just read it again he said expansion is not being discussed yes they would like a team in la but not discussing it al all right now cause of the 32 model league everyone likes it and it works. Alot of things would need to be dicussed but has not been.
by Sado44 on Feb 4, 2012 12:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Its amazing how people take a comment
And can make 20 diffrent story’s about it and all of them come to a diffrent conclusion I love our media.
by Sado44 on Feb 4, 2012 12:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't buy it at all
but I’ve added his backpedal in the main piece now. I think he got the overnight word from the powerful owners to back down a bit for the time being. The league wants to be back in LA, they just can’t figure out how to do it, IMHO.
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I was reading an article about the Rams
Saying how them losing a game to London and such will probably lead them to being a MAJOR player to move to LA.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Very good assessment on the update kd
Seems like the commissioner may have spoken to soon on this expansion and now looks like he is trying to slow his roll alittle bit here.
by Sado44 on Feb 4, 2012 2:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
+1
I agree with you KD. They don’t want to lose LA but they are still brainstorming and don’t have a concrete plan of attack yet
by somebodyquiet on Feb 4, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Thinking a head.......34 teams..............
there are 10-12 good qb’s in the nfl. Adding two more teams would even further water down the product we are seeing now. How exciting is Jax vs Cleveland ? How awesome was it to see the Colts play this year ?
I hope those discussions never come to fruition.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
agree, if anything they should allow a few more roster spaces so teams can develop more players
since there’s no minor league system for the NFL
by somebodyquiet on Feb 4, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure how I feel about EVERY team getting a primetime game
Teams like the 2011 Rams, Browns, Bucs, Jags and Seahawks should never be on primetime. The only excuse you can make is if they are playing each other, but why would you put two bad teams playing each other on primetime? Ok, maybe I might understand a division game, but I guess with a total of 50 primetime games (including 2 thanksgiving day games) out of 136 regular season games, I guess not all of them would be stellar games anyway. Quite a few were disappointing games this year that should have been better, like any game the Colts played in Primetime…
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3 thanksgiving games.. right?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
You're missing the point.
There’s plenty of fans that don’t have the Sunday Ticket package, I’m not one of them, and they don’t get to see their favorite teams on Sundays. I think fans would be open to this if the bigger teams actually got more airtime and the Primetime match ups didn’t suck. The Steelers, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, Pats, and Packers all have national followings. All of these teams have large groups of fans that get boned and can’t catch six or seven of their games due to blackouts. I live in the midwest and if I didn’t have a dish I can’t tell you how many times I’d have to watch the Chiefs, Rams, or Vikings suck against a good team rather than watch a good match up. If you’re going to have more Primetime slots, make it so that each high caliber match up of the week gets a chance to have a national audience. That would actually be beneficial to fans. This is why this pisses me off so much, they have an idea that can make everyone more money and help the fans…yet they insist on using it to just promote and push mediocrity.
tell me about it
I’m about to move from Texas to Missouri and I’m gonna be stuck watching the Chiefs and Rams all the time
by somebodyquiet on Feb 4, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I feel for you bro
I guess the Mizzou rent’s cheap enough that you can buy the DirecTV package and still pay less than what you did in Texas.
Uh, aren't there 256 regular season games?
Each team plays sixteen games. There are two teams playing, so a 32 team league would have to play sixteen games a week if you didn’t have the bye weeks. It works out to 16 time 16, or 256.
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you mean since 1994, not 2004 regarding the teams leaving LA, unless i'm reading that wrong
wish they would quit with the London and Mexico games, put teams at such an disadvantage.
every team getting a primetime game? not sure about that either. unless its a way to pimp the ratings then i guess. only means less big draw teams like Dallas on early/mid-season prime time games
34 teams. not buying it yet. Aside from LA what other market could support an NFL team? most of the densely populated states already have multiple teams saturating the same market
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 4, 2012 1:15 PM CST reply actions
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Oh yeah the Thursday night games it only a money grab.
They have them on their own network no middle man, and primetime ad spots. I wouldn’t mind as much if I didn’t have to pay double to get the package with NFLn
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
well I don't have DirectTV.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Oh I feel you Ham...
Just sayin…but the NFL does broadcast the NFLn games online (which I’m sure is exactly what you want to do, watch a football game online instead of on the TV you actually spent hard earned money on to watch football), the NFLn needs to get on more basic cable tiers or at least on the same tier that ESPN is on. They also need better match ups on these primetime slots once they become more accessible. MNF’s match ups have sucked pretty hard lately, you might get three or four good games a year…each week there’s about five games of interest, including the one your team’s playing, so five National TV spots should be enough to capture all of it. All I know is that I’ve seen my local affiliates carry Packers/Vikings over an actual good match up one too many times.
Yeah.
Well in this case I think its more of the cable company not wanting to put NFLn on the basic tiers.
And no I don’t think they should put all the great matchups on these primetime CABLE slots (MNF, THNF) it will piss off a lot of people who don’t have cable. Leave the best games on Broadcast, that is why SNF is the king of ratings now.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Not on cable, but at least a national TV spot.
There’s five slots on Sunday, one on Monday, and one on Thursday. If they ad two more slots you could probably get all the big match ups on TV and only two, three at the most being on cable. Besides, ESPN basically acts like a network right now anyways. They had the BCS games on ESPN last year and the year before that too. If they could leverage Disney into getting a Saturday or Tuesday primetime slot that’d be the best.
I have no idea how you got all those "slots" or where you think you can add more
But the facts still remain NBC SNF produce the highest ratings for a reason and its not all about matchups.
1. Primetime no other football competition
2. Broadcast EVERYONE has access
3. Great production.
- is the sticking point. MNF hasn’t been the same since it went to cable and NFLn games suffer even more from not being on thebasic tier.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Ahhh here they are:
Sunday Noon CBS
Sunday Noon Fox
Sunday Three CBS
Sunday Three FOX
SNF
MNF
TNF
If you can get Saturday or tuesday night you can get nine slots. There’s at most sixteen games a week. NBC’s SNF still gets great ratings but they’re behind NCIS (ugh) and Two and a Half Men is right on their heels (super-ugh). I really think you’re discounting’s ESPN’s ratings ability. The Falcons/Saints game got 16M viewers whereas SNF gets about 19M viewers a night. Given that ESPN’s up against CBS’ monday night line up that inexplicably gets viewers, and they’re on Cable…I think ESPN can get some serious viewership.
only cbs or fox have the double header, only one like 3 weeks do they both have a double header
fyi.
Um football on everyday but Wednesday do you know how horrible that would be for scheduling. I would hate that. This is just getting dumb now.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I'd like to see two double headers
I’m all for giving fans more access to games, with the arcane ways that stations decide which game to show there’s plenty of fans that don’t get to watch their favorite teams or the best games of the week. As to a game every night but Wednesday and Friday? Yeah, I wouldn’t like it, but hey that’s what Goodell’s suggesting. I’m just saying if it’s going to happen don’t eff it up.
How is it arcane way of deciding games?
Why wouldn’t they show the local team?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Some places don't have local teams.
I live in Des Moines, Iowa, there is no local team. So we’ll get to watch the Packers take a dump on the Rams most times rather than the Lions or the Bears play a game that might actually be close. Or god forbid the Steelers/Ravens, heaven forbid we actually get a good game.
Well you can change that.
All you have to do is email them what game you want to see. Enough request and they will.
I am very lucky where I live there is always a good game on.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Ehhh...for me it doesn't matter much
I have a dish and the Sunday Ticket package so I’m good either way. I remember when I lived in Omaha they got quite a few Broncos games too. Broncos and Chiefs when neither team had a chance at doing anything always got aired, awful. I’ll tell people I know to email the station and tell them to stop airing these terrible games. What parts do you hail from Ham?
Around the Gettysburg Pa area.
Epicenter of Football really. And its going to be a great year the NFC East plays the AFC North is there any other two competing divisions so close to each other?
Balt, Philly, Pitt, Wash, NYG and of course everyone hates Dal!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
MNF hasn't been the same since...
That's one small step...
by tanstaafl on Feb 4, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
look at it like this
you are going to watch Patriots/Steelers regardless what time slot it comes on
but
if you had no choice but to watch Panthers/Raiders you might tune in for a half to see how it goes. thats exactly how the pimp the ratings. games like Oak/Car would be a “C” list or lower game on a normal sunday and likely blacked out in the minimal viewing market it has. so instead leave the big draws on the full schedule and get the whole country to at least watch Oak/Car for one half and if its good even more.
It’s just a way to maximize ratings so they dont end up like the NHL brainwashing us with the same teams over and over just to get ratings.
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 4, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
MNF is out
for me. I haven’t watched a game in several years, unless the Cowboys were playing. I dislike/hate the announcers. The games are too lame most of the time, which gets me back to the announcers. If these guys were actually announcing a good game, then they would make the game unwatchable. I do like Sunday night football, but again the announcers are fairly lame. Cris Collinsworth is terrible as is Al Michaels. Even when he was teamed up with Madden the guy was awful. Maybe its just because I have gotten older, but I sure miss Summerall, Madden, Brookshier, Giffford,who was actually pretty bad with names,. Aikman, Buck usually bore me, but I do Like Daryl Johnston and a few others. Tony Siragusa is mostly useless, but occasionally states something kind of funny. Like I said its probably just my getting old, but I wish they would just announce the game and forget about all the gossip and their infinite wisdom of the game and players. Its like listening to some National Enquirer reporter do NFL games.
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by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 4, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or pretty durn close, that's for sure.
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i miss MNF on NBC
ESPN really disappoints me though when it comes to football announcers. they just seem to have the worst possible crews.
they have such good at everything else(Baseball, basketball(pro and college), hockey(RIP), college football) that i’m appalled by being spoiled that their NFL broadcasters stink
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
They want a team in London
It would be there reasoning to get a team there. So if they put a new team in L.A they would need a place they could get fans by starting a new team.
by tattooed cowboy on Feb 4, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
They want a team in London
It would be there reasoning to get a team there. So if they put a new team in L.A they would need a place they could get fans by starting a new team.
by tattooed cowboy on Feb 4, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Sacramento is spelled wrong
When you mention to look at the Sacramento bee.
by Portland's Cowboy fan on Feb 4, 2012 1:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
34 teams is one of the worst ideas I have heard in a long time.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Goodell is easily one of the worst commish's the NFL's had in a while.
Jeez, 34 teams? Great! More mediocrity, more chances that we’ll see a 7-9 team make the playoffs. More 8-8 teams advancing in the playoffs. More mediocrity, a thinner spread of the waining talent pool that the NFL already has, and crappier playoff match ups.
God, lets also have the Seahawks and Browns in Primetime! Yeah, just what we need. While teams like the Patriots, Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, and Eagles are blacked out on Sundays…you know the teams that actually have followings, fans get the opportunity of seeing the Saints. Packers, or Steelers blow the doors off the Seabags, Browns, Bills, and Vikings or exciting match ups like the Cardinals and the Jags in primetime!. Please. If anything the primetime matchups should be “A” match ups. Saints/Falcons, Cowboys/Eagles/Giants/Redskins, Ravens/Steelers, Bears/Packers, Pats/Steelers, Pats/Jets, and obviously the flavor de jours…today it’d be the Tebows, Lions, etc.
Actually, I think it would mean fewer 8-8 teams advancing.
Don’t know the math, but I think it would provide fewer chances for that – unless you just had a dreadful division in each conference.
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assuming no playoff expansion
then you would be right.
I don’t have a problem with the prime time expansion. As long as the crappy teams get put on ESPN and NFLN I don’t care. It generates buzz for those teams and those cities. I remember going to the BIlls-Cowboys primetime in 2007, and that stadium was absolutely nuts. More lower tier teams should have that opportunity.
Well it would mean that there's a wider distribution of talent
Two more starting QBs in the league (when there’s not even 20 QBs worth of being an NFL starter as it is) and two more teams to take what elite talent there is out there.
2 out of 3 ain't bad
More prime time games would be awesome. I wish they would consider Tuesday night football as well. This just means more changes to see all of the teams and have more well-informed opinions on the quality of the teams and the players (for Pro Bowl voting and knowing who to want in free agency).
The move to 34 teams would stink, at the current, balanced eight division setup is perfect, and as at least one commenter above noted: the talent pool is diluted enough already.
Moving the trade deadline back to after week eight or nine seems like a no brainer. I would think there are enough players who want to play for contenders that they wouldn’t oppose the move too much.
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by scotscowboyfan on Feb 4, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yup. The Steelers were a joke until the NFL-AFL merger
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 4:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup. The Steelers were a joke until the NFL-AFL merger
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 4:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If anything I'd like there to be 24 teams
Jags, Bengals, Cardinals, Rams, Vikings, Seahawks, and the Panthers are pretty much useless. You could probably lose the Chargers and move the Raiders to LA. The Bills, Browns, and Jets all need to step their game up too.
Judging by those standards why wouldn't the Cowboys be in those groups?
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Well the Cowboys are the league's most valuable franchise...
That’s why I didn’t include the Redskins either. Or the Chiefs or Broncos…they have huge followings and great stadiums.
The Raiders won't move back to LA
The gang banger element that supports that team is not a crowd the NFL wants at the new stadium which would be built.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 4:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously dude.
Have heard or seen the stuff that happens at Raiders games?
Fans get jumped, stabbed, and urinated on for wearing opposing team’s gear.
The Raiders have a crazy elelment of their fan population that shows up to games just to brawl, without regard for what actually happens on the field.
When the Raiders were in LA, public schools throughout Southern California took measures to ban Raiders jackets, jerseys, & caps from being worn on campus. That’s how bad it got with them.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just wanted an excuse to post that video
But in all honesty the bangers aren’t any worse than some of the other creatures that show up at NFL games. Security at these places is incredible and the games are safe. If the Bangers have money I don’t get the big deal.
The Chargers are not getting contracted
They are a historical team from the original AFC.
They have tradition.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 4:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I mean original AFL
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 4:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No I wasn't suggesting that they should...
They just need to get their act together, getting it down to 24 will be tough…but given the state of today’s NFL I think there should be fewer teams, not more.
No one in LA will support the Jaguars
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 4:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh, someone get this guy out of office
The Thursday night games are awful, just awful. I dread the post-Thanksgiving schedule n the NFL, and now they’re going to make it a full-season thing. They completely mess up the flow of the week. Sundays should be gamedays for everyone but the MNF teams. Furthermore, I’ve never been impressed with the quality of play on Thursday nights, and with it being on the NFL network, I forget about it most of the time since I don’t get the channel.
I get that the NFL wants more primetime games on its fancy little network, but Thursday night games are such an afterthought. It only works on Thanksgiving.
The worst thing is, is that the idea COULD work.
If the NFLn were on more basic cable tiers and they had good match ups they could not only make more money the fans would have more access to the A match ups.
I don't care for NFLN.
Their replays at different angles are seriously lacking. I think you get better replays at a live game.
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lol, that was random...
or was it?…..
by letsgtld on Feb 4, 2012 5:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It was, but I didn't want to start a whole new forum on it.
True story though. Brady has what they are calling “The Cadillac Escolade of Toilets”.
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"The difference between extraordinary and ordinary, is that little extra". Jimmy Johnson
The problems with having the NFL in LA
I’ve been saying this to my friends who don’t live in LA. Here are my reasons why:
1) LA fans love winners, they don’t support teams who perennially suck.
a) The Clippers are an exception because of their affordable tickets; prior to the Chris Paul trade the people who showed up to Clippers games were fans of other teams or Lakers fans who live on budget. Until this season, the loudest cheers at Clippers games came for the announcement of Lakers scores.
2) The LA fanbase belongs to Lakers, Dodgers, U$C football, and UCLA Men’s Hoops. The NFL would be competing with U$C football for fans.
a) In La, rebuilding in football means waiting or U$C’s next crop of recruits.
3) LA’s NFL fanbase divides their loyalties among the Raiders, Rams, 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, Patriots, Giants, Jets, Eagles, Packers, Bears.
4) If the NFL moves a team to LA, or expands to LA, then every team in stadium trouble, not located in a big market, loses their bargaining chip.
5) Currently, fans get the best games on tv in LA every week for Fox, CBS, plus The prime time games. Without having to buy Direct Tv.
a) Again, if you want a team in LA it better be good enough to get people to park their behinds in a stadium.
6) LA won’t get a team unless an owner would agree to allow the group who builds the new stadium to take an ownership interest in the team.
7) Anyone who lives in So Cal knows that above all, you have to compete with the beach, the mountains (only a few hours drive), Indian Casinos, Vegas (only an hr flight or 3 hr drive away).
a) Again, the team had better be good.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 4, 2012 3:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Where in LA do you live?
1) LA fans tends to support teams with a committed owner. See the Angels.
1a) The Clippers have been drafting on the Lakers ever since they began sharing Staples Center.
2) There are more football fans in LA than just USC Football fans.
2a) This was not the case when the Rams were in town. And, while the Raiders tried pandering to the local community with some of their draft pics during their LA stint, only Todd Marinovich was a real stretch.
3) Nah, it is just the Raiders, Cowboys and Steelers. A couple of years ago Snoop Doggy Dog (a Raider fan who grew up in Long Beach) explained in an NFL network interview why that was for football fans growing up in the late 80’s.
4) Probably so…
5) We no longer get the best games. As of two years ago, we stopped getting Cowboys games by default. I don’t know what changed. On the network channels, we are now getting Chargers, Raiders, and 49er’s games. I had to subscribe to DirectTV to get most Cowboy’s games.
5a) All that would be necessary is a homegrown team, with ownership that is committed to winning. Plus, you have to take into account how AEG plans to market the team, as a total entertainment concept with LA Live. A plan like that will work in LA, even with non-football fans.
6) This is true, but it is a fair tradeoff given how much a team would rise in value as a result of the move and the fact that AEG is self-financing the stadium. In any case, the commissioner is now talking about putting an expansion team in LA. If that is the case, AEG would have no problem forming a local partnership to own the team.
7) I think the city is ready for a team and I don’t think any of those other factors would significantly cut into the fan base. AEG has done those studies and they are quite convinced they can fill the stadium and sell the suites.
a) The team just needs a committed owner. The problem the locals have had with the Dodgers over the last two years is not so much the lack of winning, but the owner, who seemed more interested in maintaining his own lifestyle than winning. The Angels have not won anything in the same timeframe, but those fans have remained committed and these are OC fans with less obvious loyalties to place. Angels fans have remained committed because their faith in the ownership has not wavered. This offseason their faith was rewarded.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
*Snoop is a Steeler fan, not a Raider fan...
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
Anyone else hate Sunday night football?
Just can’t get the drink on, that late in the day, when you gotta work the next day. >:-(
I love it.
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Does STL and Buffalo really need a team?
Can’t you just move the Rams to LA and the Bills to Toronto?
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Seriously
St. Louis is a baseball town and Buffalo isn’t an anything town anymore.
I mean San Antonio would support an NFL team better than St.Louis, Tampa Bay, and Jacksonville.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Feb 4, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the city matters
It is all about the owners. Fans simply don’t put up with poorly run organizations like they used to.
STL is a great sports town
They love their Cards and Blues. It is a shame they imploded after the Warner experience. Outside of those years, they’ve been completely without an identity or direction. Their stadium is awful too, it’s like walking into a generic office building to watch football game. The NFL could definitely work there, but whoever runs that organization needs to go.
I don’t argue with you about the Bills; however, I’m adamantly opposed to moving a team to Canada.
is the guy that owns them the same guy that owns the Nuggets
i remember all that drama about Limbaugh trying to buy them some time ago
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Well if they get something out of Bradford I think they'll show up again.
Toronto’s a great city though, whatever you have against Canada is dumb. Toronto’s close enough to the states as it is and it’d be a way to get Canadians into football…the CFL isn’t exactly the best way to get more fans. Part of the reason the owners needed more money was to “grow the game,” right? Canada has people. Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal could provide worlds more supportive atmospheres than several American cities.
I'd add a few cities to that list
Cinci, Minneapolis, Jacksonville, any city in either Carolina, and Oakland.
There goes our advantage for playing the Thanksgiving game.
Oh well. It’s not like we took advantage of it the last 15 years.
Isn't Romo undefeated too?!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
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