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Now that the HOF announcements are official . . .

Once again another one of Cuzzin Jerruh’s strategies has gone straight to the sewer systems of Dallas, Texas. I was totally disgusted when this one-man election committee decided that Charles Haley was going into the Cowboys Ring of Honor . . . not that I have anything against Haley, but this move was strictly Jones’ futile attempt to increase the odds of Haley’s Hall of Fame chances. Now this move can rank right up there with his ego-based decision to cut ties with Jimmy Johnson, hiring Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, drafting for special teams (and many other faux-GM mistakes too numerous to cite). Intrigued by my rant? There's more . . .

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Yes, Haley has 5 Super Bowl rings (3 with Dallas) but if team championships are a major requirement for election, then why, pray tell, are Don Meredith and Don Perkins members? Haley only played 6 of his 13 years with the Cowboys and was hardly the epitome of “role-model citizen” . . . the fact that his name is on the same banner as Bob Lilly is a travesty.

Haley is even surpassed statistically by 2 career Cowboys at the same position: Harvey Martin and Ed “Too Tall” Jones. Individual defensive statistics have not been officially recognized by the NFL, sacks only coming into play in 1982 and number of tackles in 2001; however, with research one can find those statistics maintained by individual NFL teams.

Pro-Football-Reference.com has an interesting calculation titled “Weighted Career Approximate Value” that compares players from different eras, starting with the 1950 NFL season. I won’t spend time discussing the calculation, but if you’re interested here is a link to their site: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?page_id=518

Let’s compare the available statistics of the 3 defensive ends:

Charles Haley, in 6 seasons with the Cowboys, recorded 34 sacks, 159 tackles plus 13 assists, 12 forced fumbles and had 1 interception. During his 13 year career, he had 100.5 sacks, 485 tackles plus 13 assists, 26 forced fumbles, 2 interceptions and 1 safety. 5 time Pro Bowler (2 with Dallas), 2 time All-Pro (1 with Dallas).

PFR Weighted Career Approximate Value: 84

Harvey Martin, in 11 seasons with the Cowboys, recorded 114 sacks during his career and had an “unofficial” 23 sacks and 85 tackles in the 1977 season alone . . . along with 6 forced fumbles and 2 interceptions plus 2 safeties during his career. 4 time Pro Bowler and 1 All-Pro award.

PFR Weighted Career Approximate Value: 79

Ed Jones, in 15 seasons with the Cowboys, recorded 106 sacks and had 3 interceptions and 19 forced fumbles. 3 time Pro Bowler and 1 All-Pro.

PFR Weighted Career Approximate Value: 97

Yes, the 90’s Cowboys went to 3 Super Bowls, winning all 3 while Charles Haley was on the roster . . . but the 70’s Cowboys with Harvey Martin and Ed Jones also went to 3 Super Bowls, winning 1 and with two 4-point losses to the Pittsburgh Steelers (and please do not confuse the 4-Time World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers of the 70’s with the Pittsburgh Steelers of ’95 or the Buffalo Bills!) So don’t talk to me about the “impact” of Charles Haley!

Cuzzin Jerruh . . . it’s high time to have a Ring of Honor Committee, as you have demonstrated time and again that you cannot manage anything more than owning and promoting the Cowboy Brand.

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Now this move can rank right up there with his ego-based decision to cut ties with Jimmy Johnson

Was Jimmy Johnson was going to leave regardless. He never stayed more than 5 years at any stop and accomplished everything he wanted to. He was ready for some fishing.

"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo

by thebigham on Feb 6, 2012 8:07 AM CST reply actions  

It was a mutual decision . . .

. . . but after his infamous “There are 500 coaches who could win with the Cowboys talent”, drunkenly slurred to Ed Werder in the bar after Super Bowl XXVIII, when he thought Jimmy Johnson had ignored his toast to the team . . . well, let’s just say that started the ball rolling earlier than it had to!

From the hometown of Bob Lilly,

by Long Ball on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, but recollect it was Jags not Bucs, and started privately when...

… they sat down Thursday evening, ironed out the marriage of convenience and mutual intent and set themselves on a gloriously doomed road. Those two were never destined for a lasting partnership.

That's one small step...

by tanstaafl on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He who has the gold makes the rules

Typically players get into the Hof due to a body of work or championship pedigree with plenty of examples in either or both camps. Haley was the last missing piece that put DAL over the top while he was an essential cog in SF’s titles. The model citizen objection is completely belied by current HoF, including many Cowboy greats

'I have wasted Time and Time doth waste me'
Jerry Jones as Richard II - Act 5, Scene 5

by tdships on Feb 6, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree

Haley deserves to be in the HoF but not our RoH. Nothing against Haley, but he didn’t even spend half his career at Dallas. When JJ did that I was befuddled.

As an aside…when I was a little Tennessee Jed (about 7 years old) I got Too Tall’s autograph during a signing thing at Ridgmar Mall in Ft. Worth. He was simply the biggest human being I had ever seen in my whole life! I could barely speak when it was my turn to get his signature I was so awestruck. LOL!

"A successful coach needs a paitient wife, a loyal dog, and a great quarterback. But if you don't have a wife the dog can pull double duty." --Barry Switzer

by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

Harvey Martin is one of the most disrespected players by the HOF

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

agree

both harvey and ed were better and if don’t they were true cowboys at least. Yes tennessee_jed, haley deserves HOF but not cowboys ring of honor

by ratware on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

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