2012 Cowboys Mock Drafts: Post Super Bowl Edition
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 6, 2012 2:00 PM CST
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With the Super Bowl behind us, it's officially draft season. The draft order has been set, save for a few spots that need to be decided by a coin toss.
This week, some of the better known names in mock draft circles are trying to be the early birds and have released their mock drafts to coincide with the further increase in mock draft page views.
Russ Lande from the SportingNews has released his first mock on his own website and has the Cowboys taking a corner. Evan Silva from Rotoworld also proposes a familiar name to man the corner spot.
ESPN's Todd McShay is another draftnik who thinks the Cowboys will be going after a corner. SBNation's Ryan van Bibber still doesn't know how to spell Terence Newman, but knows Newman needs to be replaced.
And finally, Chris Steuber, formerly of scout.com and cbssports, now runs his own website and surprise, surprise, also sees the Cowboys taking a corner with their first pick.
After the break, we look at who these guys are mocking our way.
| Analyst | Pick | Comments | Next five available players |
| Evan Silva, Rotoworld, (2/6) | Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama | During Senior Bowl interviews, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones pinpointed the secondary as Dallas' greatest area of offseason need. Jenkins is feisty and physical, fluid in the hips with ball skills and a willingness to hit. Assuming his background checks out after three marijuana-related arrests at Florida, Jenkins won't struggle to be a top-20 choice. He'd be a day-one starter for the Cowboys. | WR Kendall Wright, WR Justin Blackmon, CB Dre Kirkpatrick, OLB Whitney Mercilus, WR Michael Floyd |
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Ryan Van Bibber, SB Nation (2/6) |
Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama | Every time I get to this spot in these mocks, the image of Terrance [sic] Newman matched up against the Giants' receivers in Week 17 comes to mind. Jenkins toiled in obscurity after getting the boot from Florida, but he got back on the radar with a solid outing at the Senior Bowl. | ILB Luke Kuechly, OLB Courtney Upshaw, OG Davis DeCastro, OLB Nick Perry, WR Kendall Wright |
| Todd McShay, ESPN (2/2) | Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama | Corner is clearly the Cowboys' top need area, and Jenkins proved at the Senior Bowl that he's still an elite cover corner after spending a year at the Division II level. Dallas will need to get comfortable with his character issues, though, including legal issues that led to his dismissal from the Florida program. | DT Devon Still, S Mark Barron, CB Dre Kirkpatrick, OT Jonathan Martin, WR Kendall Wright |
| Russ Lande (2/5) | Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama | No comments provided | DT Fletcher Cox, OLB Melvin Ingram, RB David Wilson, OLB Nick Perry |
| Chris Steuber (1/21) | Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama | No comments provided | WR Kendall Wright, OG Cordy Glenn, DT Michael Brockers, S Mark Barron, WR Michael Floyd |
So there you have it: five mockers, and each picks a corner for the Cowboys. But which one is the right corner for the Cowboys, and is that corner really waiting in the first round or will the Cowboys look for a corner in the later rounds?
For those of you keeping track of these things, Liz Mullen from the Sportsbusinessjournal today reports that the drug charges have been dropped against Dre Kirkpatrick.
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If you think
either corner can be a starter week 1, pull the trigger. I would love either a CB or OLineman first round.
formerly what_the_crap
Glad to see the charges dropped against Kirkpatrick
Also glad to see none of the mockers had us taking Kuechly, Brockers, or Upshaw.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 6, 2012 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
JENKINS BABY
I would luv Jenkins he can flat out cover hd shutdown Julio Jones and aj green while at Florida.
by slickman26 on Feb 6, 2012 2:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Silva has Blackmon falling to 16 and Claiborne to 8.
I don’t buy it.
DeCastro’s our boy. RKG/BPA at position of need.
+1
Silva has Blackmon falling to 16
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
The Weather is here, I wish you were beautiful"
Indecision, may or may not be my problem
i dont buy it either
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
The Weather is here, I wish you were beautiful"
Indecision, may or may not be my problem
If Blackmon is available when we pick
Then we are trading the pick. We could really acquire some picks for that deal.
by soonercowboy14 on Feb 6, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
If Blackmon falls, it's our advantage
If Justin Blackmon fell to 14, Jerry would be wise to stock pile picks for the latter part of the first and second. I love the idea of picking Decastro, but if Jerry is serious about secondary help, many of these corners will be available in the later part of the round, as well as S Mark Barron, who I really hope is on the radar.
by montanastarfan on Feb 6, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Unless Justin Blackmon or Claiborne
has pics and video come out before the draft showing them having sex with a donkey while snorting cocaine off a midget’s butt there is NO way either one falls that far. For real. that’s just a crazy mock draft! Heck, if Blackmon is there at 14 draft him! If Claiborne falls to 8 trade our first and second pick to move up and get him!
But no way does this happen in reality land, not with teams passing the way they are and trying to defend multiple recievers.
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by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 6, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Starlover
If you think that’s disturbing just imagine the scouting report on Vontaze Burfict. He has super talent but the unpublished pics must be really bad to make him slip as low as prognosticators are predicting. I shudder to think what HIS pics must show!
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by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 6, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
True
I would believe that ESPN would get major coverage just by talking about that video if it is true.
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Jed
the images that rolled through my head….
rec’d
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 7, 2012 2:47 AM CST up reply actions
LOL!
Thanks Ironman! I try my best to inspire creativity and imagination in others. ;-)
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by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
I don't buy it either.
Silva’s credibility just went out the window imo.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 6, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta Go David DeCastro
Pot heads ain’t RKG.
by Mighty Blue Star on Feb 6, 2012 2:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
1 mistake doesnt make a WKG
if hasnt had any more problems and openly admits what he did was wrong, wouldnt that in turn make him a RKG?
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 6, 2012 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
free agency will tell
What we do between the opening day of free agency and the draft will determine exactly what we do. I would like to Draft the best interior offensive lineman at that spot but if we sign Nicks that will give us the opportunity to look at another position or character flawed CB’s
by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 6, 2012 3:41 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
i agree i want the Oline all the way fixed
im just saying 1 mistake doesnt make a WKG. not owning up to it and not accepting responsibility for it makes a WKG. Jenkins did own it during the Senior Bowl
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 6, 2012 3:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What about 4 mistakes?
From what I read, Jenkins has 2 arrest for fighting and 2 arrest for misdemeanor marijuana possession. Now, it is absolutely possible he has seen the error of his ways and has turned a new leaf. He could very well be a RKG. that being, his record is far from 1 little mistake and it is completely reasonable to question what he will do once he gets that big pay day and will he get himself arrested or suspend, or otherwise have some kind of negative impact on the team.
by Grimlock83 on Feb 6, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont know if its 4 or 1
i asked this last week and i thought someone said 1. if its 4 then IDK.
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 6, 2012 3:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
also the fighting doesnt bother me that bad
i was young i got in a alot of fights, i grew out of that. the drug issues are different. if theres a single issue i can accept that, multiple issues is a differwnt conversation.
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's enough for me
Ya from what I understand there is more than just one mistake. It’s just not worth the risk unless he just blows us all away at the combine. Just don’t want anymore of those guys. The last thing we need is to draft a party pal for Dez to go runnin around with
by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
then yah, i just reread the rotoworld comments and it says 3 arrests.....
maybe i think itd be cool to have “the jenkins” as the starting CBs.
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 6, 2012 4:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm troubled by 2 arrests for the same thing
It seems to me once you get busted for something you ought to be careful with respect to that specific crime. The 2nd arrest indicates either poor self-control, poor intelligence, poor decision-making, or just really bad luck. Any of those explanations doesn’t bode well for a new employee.
I'm so sick of the RKG crap
Yeah let’s keep collecting RKGs while the giants collect rings with a-holes like Jacobs and Rolle. Give me good football players 1st and foremost. The Cowboys have a lot of good guys on the team and that hasn’t gotten us anywhere.
RKG is not about being nice Garrett means RKG as in someone who is wants to win, loves the game and is willing to pay the price to win
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point. It's going to be exciting when that time comes. And when we look back, we'll know who was on what side of the fence during those tough moments." - Tony Romo
yeah that's what he says every time he talks about it
the video on Cowboys.com he basically describes what he wants and says exactly that
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
You have no idea what Garrett thinks of Jenkins, and stop pretending like you do
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
Besides, I thought Jerry would never give up the power you are now saying he has given up
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by matt575 on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 AM EST
Enough
We need help in the trenches. Teams can have weaknesses but the most debilitating are always going to be Qb and linemen.
Get a corner in the 4th or 5th along with a reasonably priced vet free agent… We need linemen early, offense and defensive.
MacGruber!
by Mojoness on Feb 6, 2012 2:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't mind drafting Jenkins if
Coples, DeCastro, Perry, Ingram, and Kirkpatrck are all off the board when we pick.
by BrickTop on Feb 6, 2012 2:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't forget Jenkins
He scares me with his arrests and being forced to leave Florida.
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I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
?
My comment was about drafting Jenkins
by BrickTop on Feb 7, 2012 10:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Guess it was my mistake
I should have said “Forget Jenkins” in the subject line. Seriously, I wouldn’t mind an arrest or two if it is not too bad.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
Don't forget
about DT Brockers LSU. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41015
or
we could trade down to 20th, grab a 2012 2nd & draft both G Cordy Glenn w/ the 1st, Ta’amu w/ the acquired 2nd & Iloka or Josh Norman
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 6, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
This could go many ways. Really depends on who is picked in the 13 spots before us.
DeCastro should be the pick if he is still available, but he’ll probably be gone. It’s a toss up between Dre and Jenkins, but any number or D players could be targetted, Coples(doubt he’s there), Ingram, Upshaw, Perry. I think it will also depend upon the ratings of the CBs projected to be available in the second round. We might go DL, then CB. Get a guard or Center in the third.
We cannot neglect the OL, either in FA or the draft.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Lande has Upshaw going #32 Overall. Doesn’t even show Cordy Glenn going in the 1st round!
If those guys are gone, we could probably trade back a good ways and still get a quality T/G prospect late in the 1st and get an extra 2 and 3.
by StarloverinWNC on Feb 6, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
If we have the cap space, we must use it wisely, but nevertheless, we must use it. Even if Nicks, Campell or Mario
are expensive, they are all young and if available, should be consisered.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
JG said he liked it that FA was first so he could try and fill as many holes as possible allowing for a BPA approach to the draft.
He’s talking my language and I like it…please whisper more sweet nothings into my ear RHG.
by StarloverinWNC on Feb 6, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Red Haired.... Ghandi?
"You try and work hard and get better each week. I play the game with passion. I enjoy the game. It's a lot of fun when I'm out there. That's the way I play. For some reason, people like that." - Tony Romo
Need a DL stud in the first
Brady said yesterday in an interview that pressure creates quicker and poorer decisions. So DL in the first then DB in the second and OL in the third
I can get behind that
Provided:
1.They also address interior OLine and secondary in free agency(need at least two new faces at both spots in my opinion)
2.There is actually a stud pass rusher available. If the braintrust signs off on Ingram/Upshaw/Brockers, or Coples should he fall, great, but the production ratio from that group leaves a little to be desired.
by Alan Smithee on Feb 6, 2012 3:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nope
don’t see them going with OL given the history, not while jerruh is around, plus they picked up a few OL guys last year not saying they are as good but got to let them develop to see what you have too.
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All depends on Free Agency
But I like the idea of getting a top notch corner. If we can fill some other needs thru the FA market then I really like the idea of getting one of the these two guys.
agreed it all depends on FA
id love to see Dallas with 3 good corners. if Jenkins is a “lockdown” corner im fine with Dallas taking him at 14. otherwise finish the Oline
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 6, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
deff agreed, 3 CBs
finish the Oline rebuild
by yehti on Feb 6, 2012 3:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't agree,
we have Jenkins and Scandrick and they both are better than average corners,
by Musiccitynorm on Feb 7, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
We'll need to replace/re-sign Jenkins after the 2012 season as well.
Don’t forget that. What’s cheaper drafting & developing another Jenkins or paying the Free Agent Jenkins?
by StarloverinWNC on Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
If Jerry was master of this draft
It would be a trick question where the answer would be to keep both. Hopefully we are dealing with the younger one if we have a Jenkins in 2012.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
D-Line in the first, CB 2nd (since its deep), but these can be flip flopped.
O-line, DB ,maybe LB in the 3rd
Same as above in the 4th
5th – Hicks DT, pretty athletic for his size, needs coaching, but we need guys like this in a 3-4
I just don’t see them going o-line in the first, it is proven that quality starting guards can be found later and it’s harder to hit on great D-lineman and DB late in the draft.
Of course this all depends on FA, which I am looking forward to, as to which need is addressed first and so on.
A few days ago I posted a FanShot on “Draftee Success Rate by Position and Round Selected” it’s a good article a little dated (2006), but still relevant.
yeah, that was an interesting read thank you for linking it. The jist being that you take QB, Tackle, & Pass Rusher early in the draft because the likelihood of finding one later in the draft is poor.
Sure it shows G coming from all rounds fairly equally, but when you have an unusual talent like Steve Hutchinson just because you ‘might’ be able to find a good Guard later in the draft doesn’t mean u should pass up on him. I’ll take a ‘sure-fire’ pick over a questionable pick any day. Doesn’t matter what position it is. Example…
Jenkins and DeCastro are both there. Experts are saying that both would be good picks for us @ #14. But would you rather have player:
a)player with the right measurables i.e.. height & weight, coupled with no off-field issues, and above avg intelligence.
OR player
b)player that is too short or doesn’t weigh enough, has major off field issues, & not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
All things being equal please give me the best odds for success with my #1 pick.
by StarloverinWNC on Feb 6, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
But the truth is that player A could be a massive bust while player B could be a Super Bowl MVP, a first ballot hall of famer, and the ESPN analysis that tells it like it is and sends Chris Berman into Therapy.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
Well i'm not "high" on Jenkins so, if I had to choose between the 2...DeCasto
Absolutely agree,
All things being equal please give me the best odds for success with my #1 pick
We will see where we are at after the FA period and combine, but as of right now IMO I do not think they will go O-line first.
Consistency is inside-out
Maybe I have a more conservative, old school approach to success, but I firmly believe that consitent success starts with O-Line/D-Line play. Cowboy fans have seen this work to perfection in the 90’s, and have seen the other side of the coin recently. If Decastro is available at 14, it makes too much sense. There are questions regarding CB’s offfield issues, and Claiborne wont be there at 14, so either trade back to take a gamble on Jenkins/Kirkpatrick, perhaps S Mark Barron, or draft the best OG (by a mile according to scouts).
Unless someone huge drops ....
it is going to be offensive line (i.e., DeCastro)
The Cowboys aren’t going anywhere, even if they draft the second incarnation of Darrell Revis, if Romo is watching the offense from the sidelines because one of our interior offensive lineman let a 350 d-tackle break his ribs.
Anybody relying upon what ‘Jerruh’ or Ryan or anybody else says about what the Cowboys need should realize that draft season is upon us, which means nobody (except for Indy) is going to give anybody else a true read on who/what position they are going to draft. They are all liars at this point.
The Cowboys are going to go hard on defense (both DBs and D-line), but that is going to take a backseat to making sure the Romo has a clean pocket for the next couple of years.
And that someone might be Andrew Luck
The truth is that we don’t know what Indy is going to do with their pick. Sure they might take Luck first, but it would be over Archie Manning’s dead body. Trent Richardson would be a good grab at number one because he would help the offense. If Luck would somehow fall to our spot, I would take him.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
The truth is
We will all be shocked if the Colts don’t take Luck with the first pick.
The Colts want to rebuild that team, have gotten rid of Peyton Manning’s coaches, and have said they will go QB with their first pick.
If they keep Peyton beyond March 8th, they owe him $28 million guaranteed. That’s not going to happen.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 6, 2012 10:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt that Archie Manning
Would let the Colts get rid of Peyton in any way, at least to a bad team. If they release him, then they will have a huge hit against the cap and I doubt Bob Irsay would let that happen, so the solution would be to trade him away. If that happens, Peyton is going to a more stable team which would eliminate everyone but Arizona, Seattle, Philadelphia, Chicago, Kansas City, and Miami. My guess is that Peyton either stay with Indy or become an Eagle with Vince Young and/or Michael Vick moving out west or going to Indianapolis. We just assume that since Andrew Luck is a good player he will be the top pick in the draft. Mock Drafts mean next to nothing right now. We still have the Combine, free agency, and Andrew Luck’s Pro Day at Stanford on the schedule. Anything can happen between now and the draft.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
I don`t think we go corner early
this draft has loads of corners that can be found in the later rds.
I`m doing a gm mock and rep for the Cowboys.
acquired Tracy Porter in free agency
Dan Koppen for experienced C
let Spencer walk, TNew, Spears, Ball Martellus Ogletree Brady James Brooking
my draft so far
rd 1 Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
rd 2 Kelechi Osemele OG Iowa State
rd 3 Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma
rd 4 Dominique Hamilton DT Missouri
rd 4 Keith Tandy CB West Virginia
Spears in signed to a long-term contract no?
I don’t really like Upshaw with the 1st rd pick of your mock. rd 2 & 3 sound good. Wish we could trade both those 4’s to get back into the 3rd.
by StarloverinWNC on Feb 6, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
dang your right about Spears
oh well Jerry must know what he`s doing. Could still be cut but his cap hit next yr is 2 million and more than likely he will count more against the cap if we cut him which makes sense…he`s worth more Dead than Alive…strictly from a Football sense…nothing personal.
Agreed about Upshaw
Have read that he is like Spencer 2.0.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
C-
Upshaw has short arms, is fat for a 3-4 OLB, and is slow. Neat, he put up TFL #s against SEC teams who love to run the ball. But he’s slow at getting to the QB, especially at the Senior Bowl (1 coverage sack). I don’t care what he did against a grabage Jordan Jefferson, and a meh LSU option offense. Unless we play Tim Tebow 16 times, I don’t want him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 6, 2012 5:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
garbage
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 6, 2012 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't say your mock was garbage
I said making plays against a garbage Jordan Jefferson & other similar SEC QBs is not enough to take Courtney Upshaw.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Except
That garbage won the regular season matchup. Alabama should have never gotten a rematch to begin with and that should have allowed Oklahoma State their shot at LSU. Anyway, it makes you wonder if Courtney Upshaw is either a bust in waiting or not.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
Jordan Jeffersons and that meh option offense are not common place in the NFL; unless we play Tim Tebow 16 times a year.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
True
But all quarterbacks are scrambling quarterbacks so Courtney Upshaw is a possible pick for us. LSU did win the first contest meaning that Jordan Jefferson was a good factor for them. Anyway, the problem with Tebow right now is that he needs a receiver and maybe it would help if the Broncos and Cowboys trade picks so we both get our man.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
This talk is if Upshaw falls of course
But Bleacher report has him in the top 10 of their mock. Still this is a defensive draft and the Broncos may want to move up. I wouldn’t mind picking at 22 as long as we get their second round pick or next year’s first rounder as well.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
maybe I made a terrible pick!!!!
Courtney Upshaw (6-2, 271), senior, OLB, Alabama
Coming into the season, Upshaw was viewed—along with many of Alabama’s defensive players—as an elite prospect who will end up being a first-round pick. He plays Alabama’s "Jack OLB" in its 3-4 scheme and has been a solid, technically sound, productive player. The issue is where he fits in the NFL. Upshaw lacks explosiveness off the ball and pass rush skills to play defensive end in a 4-3 scheme. He’s not a good enough athlete to play off the ball as a true linebacker with lots of coverage responsibility. Upshaw, in our view, is a good college football player who will struggle to carry his production over to the NFL. That is why he is not likely to be as high a draft pick as many expected when the 2011 season began. Projected: Third or fourth round.
I've been saying this for a month
It was only a matter of time before the luster wore off from that BC$ Title game.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 7, 2012 12:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
All I can say is that I am glad people are at least starting to pinpoint Dallas's defense as the unit that needs help.
I am hoping that DeCastro gets picked ahead of #14 so we are saved from drafting a guard there.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Thats a possibility
I think DeCastro’s stock is only gonna rise once they get a load of this beast. He could’ve been starting in league last year for most any team. No surprise to me if he’s gone by then.
by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 6, 2012 4:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I guess
Romo having broken ribs, a punctured lung, a nearly fractured finger & numerous other near injuries screams of more defense. Oh yeah, I guess we’ve all forgotten that he was an IR the season before. He needs to be protected first & foremost whether it’s DeCastro, Konz or Cordy Glenn. He goes on IR we’re done. He’s lost for weeks then it’s his backup for a while.
Like so many have said, we have to fix the trenches which include the OL. If DeCastro is gone at 14, then we could trade down to 20, draft Konz or Glenn, pick up a 2nd to get Ta’amo or the DT out of Clemson plus with our own 2nd get Josh Norman or FS Iloka out of Boise State who also has experience at CB.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
That would suit me just fine.
But Jerry sucks at trading down.
Jerry sucks at TRADING period.
by StarloverinWNC on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
The problem isn't the O-line only.
The Giants O-line is just as bad. Tony and Garrett have room for improvement if they want to become an elite offense. And, I am not advocating for completely ignoring the O-line. Of course I shouldn’t be surprised that so many people on here somehow think that if I don’t want DeCastro that I don’t want to address the O-line at all. Ben Jones in the second round to play center would address the O-line almost as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
If we could
get a DL in the 1st & C Jones, that would work too. Read somewhere that he’s looking pretty good.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 7, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
If you look at Fernie's fanshot
on Sturm’s article, the Giants’ o-line was much batter than Dallas’ from December on. No coincidence that they turned their season around during the same time frame. Conversely Dallas’ line regressed considerably during the same period.
Don't believe everything you think.
Cowboys don't need another stupid player.......
with a #1 pick. Half a brain should be required.
No Jenkins.
question?
Is’nt Rashean Mathis a free agent? CB Jacksonville
by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 6, 2012 5:15 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I'm looking at Dre Kirkpatrick most of all
Did any of the Giants corners come in at 5’9? I’m sorry but 5’9 knocks you down draft boards.
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won't be there
Here’s another guy who’s stock is gonna go up once the combine comes around. But that is the type of player we need at that spot
by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 6, 2012 5:34 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
the Giants CB's aren't that big
Webster isn’t big and he is the #1
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 6, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
5'9" is short
I’m hoping that the Cowboys target taller CBs that are talented, but also near 6’. Don’t know if Kirkpatrick will be around @14 but there are other CBs that are developmental prospects at 6’ or taller. We could get Josh Norman in the 2nd & in the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds we could get players such as Pellerin, Blanton, Fletcher or Marrow. All developmental guys, but would allow us to draft OL & DL in higher rounds. We could also get FS/CB Iloka out of Boise in the 2nd or 3rd.
Both Giants starting CBs are 6’ so that would also add credence to the thought of some that we should get taller CBs to compete w/ the likes of Megatron, Cruz, Manningham & other taller WR.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 6, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't Jenkins 5'9?
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
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the giants cb's aren't very good
In goal-line situations I feel like it makes sense to have taller defenders, but overall I don’t think there’s much evidence to suggest taller = better.
Asante Samuel and Cortland Finnegan are two of the best corners in the game and are listed at 5’10. Janoris Jenkins is very close to that.
Josh Wilson had a breakout year for the Redskins, and he’s 5’9.
I think Dre is a good pick - potentially even as safety
Some draft experts have discussed Dre transitioning to a FS role in the NFL because of his size and hitting ability. One possibility that I have not heard discussed, but that I think may make some sense given the potential depth of good cornerbacks in the draft, is to take Dre with the first pick and then be flexible about whether he plays at safety or cornerback. If a good cornerback drops to the second, like Gilmore, Dennard or Minnifield, you still take him (and take advantage of a strength of this draft) and upgrade two positions in the secondary with playmakers. This of course assumes we improve our offensive line and sign Spencer in FA.
Don't want Dwarf Doper at #1
Maybe this guy can cover but I don’t think he will; be much help in run support.
Might as well keep Newman as to get this JJ.
I don't care about run support for a corner. That's not his primary responsibility.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 6, 2012 10:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Actually Jenkins is pretty willing to come up and play run support.
His size wouldn’t suggest that, but he is definitely is not an ole corner.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
How many double digit leads
Did we blow this season? DeCastro isnt going to help you there. If the D shuts down the opposing offense that makes us 11-5 winning the division going away. It also leaves the younger Mr. Manning at home and gets his head coach the chance to send out his resume.
Hell and Horse Manure.....HIT SOMEONE
by sexililkitti on Feb 6, 2012 6:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Without Romo
we won’t win anything next year. We need to upgrade are interior line.
by BrickTop on Feb 6, 2012 7:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wrong
Did we blow this season? DeCastro isnt going to help you there.
We lost many of those leads because we couldn’t run the ball when it mattered. During the Jets, Patriots, and first Giants game, we were trying to run out the clock. In all thee games, we ran on first and second downs and got stuffed.
Absolutely Correct CC
If we get DeCastro or Konz or Glenn, our OL will improve. This means Romo doesn’t run for his life, pass protection will allow for passing routes to develop, running game will improve so Romo isn’t placed in a position to pass so much to increase the likelihood of interception due to his error or that of the WR. By prolonging drives, the defense doesn’t have to be on the field as long & is fresher in the 4th quarter instead of being fatigued & fail to stop anyone. Our defense is just worn out by the 4th quarter much like what our OL used to do to the opposing DL in the ’90s.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 6, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
The funniest thing about seeing the RKG comments
Don’t you guys know that one of the biggest RKG Garrett knows is Michael Irvin? The Playmaker definitely didn’t have a clean rap sheet, but he loved the game, his teammates, and practiced his ass off to get better. So don’t be so quick to take guys like Jenkins and Kirkpatrick off the board.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 6, 2012 9:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
+88
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by 88Deztined46 on Feb 6, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure where all the Upshaw hate is coming from.
He may be Spencer 2.0, but his college production outpaced Spencer’s playing against better teams.
The Upshaw hate comes from
The fact he’s fat, short, has short arms, and is slow.
He put up his neat TFL #s against garbage offenses in the SEC (outside of say Arkansas and Georgia, the QBs and Olines are absolute dog crap in talent).
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well
Spencer had 21 sacks and 44 tackles for loss in 47 games; Upshaw had 16.5 and 35.5 in 53 games.
I think people are over-reacting about the line
yes we want a great line but the defense is the bigger issue.take a G in the 3rd,4th or 5th round. Defense wins championships. all the high powered offenses lost. CB, DL, and OLB need to be addressed in the 1st 3 rds.
give me Hightower
trade back a bit
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