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Looking for a Nose Tackle in Free Agency...

Look we all know this Defense stunk last year. And after seeing empirical evidence rather recently of what's working in this league, the answer to all these high powered offenses is stacking the deck of your Front 7. Specifically being able to generate pressure on the QB with only 4 guys and dropping the rest back into coverage. I'm of the opinion that if we got a true NT we could move Ratliff out to DE in our 3-4 with Hatcher manning the opposite DE spot. Hatcher's not a world beater by any means but he has shown the ability to generate some pressure from that position. It might also be less expensive to obtain a good NT than signing one of the top-tier DE's?

When I started to write this piece, after looking at some of the newer Mocks just released, I didn't think the Cowboys were going to be in position to pick up a difference maker in this years draft at NT or that we should reach to find one in the draft. But the more I started to research Free Agents I noticed there just aren't many good pure NT's in the NFL, there's a dearth of talent at the position.

Dontari Poe is massive and will probably be a pretty solid player but he's a bit of a reach for our pick @ #14. The other guy being bandied about has been Alameda Ta'amu. He's a wide body as well but has been rising up some draft boards lately, in one I saw him going #11 Overall. Many of us were mocking him to us in the 3rd & 4th rounds just a month ago. If he does well at the combine it's doubtful we'd be able to get him after the 2nd round. The other potential draftees would likely have to be coached up and wouldn't be of an immediate impact.

However if I'm the Cowboys I'd still try and draft one in the later rounds that you could groom like Nick Jean-Baptiste(6-1,335lbs) or Akiem Hicks(6-4,324lbs). It's difficult to find good players for the 3-4 NT position - we got really lucky finding Rat but he isn't getting younger. Also he's not the prototypical size and we have him signed long term so it makes sense to try and prolong his career by pushing him out to the outside.

So I think prior to the draft we should try and pursue a NT on the Free Agent market to fill this need. If we can't find good value for one in FA then I'd place more of a premium on trying to draft one. Unfortunately it's not a huge FA NT class, it's riddled with some guys that are on the wrong side of 30 that are good players but wouldn't fit into our long term plans, guys like Cory Redding(31), Sione Pouha(33), and Antonio Garay(32). But there are still a few solid options that wouldn't break our Free Agent Bank so to speak.

Paul Soliai, NT, Dolphins. Age: 28.
At 6-4, 355 pounds, Paul Soliai is a monstrous, run-stuffing nose tackle. He made $12.3 million with the franchise tag this season. Probably will command top dollar on the FA market similar to Ratliff or Wilfork of NE- 5yr/40million.

Red Bryant, DE/DT, Seahawks. Age: 28.
6-4, 323 pounds, Red Bryant is a powerful run-stuffer who can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4. Blessed with exceptional size and mobility. Has the tools and skills to be a force along the line, and we could probably plug him in at the NT position. Would probably garner a contract similar to Casey Hampton of PIT - 3yr/21million.

Kendall Langford, DE/DT, Dolphins. Age: 26.
6-6, 295lbs, Kendall Langford is a really good, young five-tech who excels in both stopping the run and putting pressure on the quarterback. He's a key piece of Miami's 3-4 stop unit. Very versatile along the line. Is a nice mix of run stuffer and pass rusher. He could add more bulk to his frame and possibly be placed into the NT spot in our 3-4. Probably looking for a contract in the range of what Jonathan Babineaux gets from ATL - 5yr/25million

Sammie Lee Hill (RFA), NT, Lions. Age: 25.
6-4, 330 pounds, Sammie Hill is a young, skilled run-stuffer who offers decent pass-rushing ability for someone his size. Very fluid for a man his size and also highly mobile. Has the raw physical tools and football smarts to succeed. Contract would probably be similar to Isaac Sopoaga of SF - 5yr/20million

Jason Jones, DT, Titans. Age: 26.

6-5, 276 pounds, Jason Jones thrived as a defensive tackle in a wide-nine scheme prior to this season. He was moved to defensive end in 2011 and consequently struggled. A big, athletic, and versatile lineman, although he's probably too small to man the nose we could plug him in at DE and keep Ratliff at the nose. Likely to command B.J. Raji money in FA - 5yr/23million.

Star-divide

Please tell me your preferred guy in the comments section if I don't have him listed above.

Poll
So what says you...should we go after one of these wide bodies in Free Agency? If so which one would you choose?
A) I like Jason Jones allot even though he's not really a NT
11 votes
B) I want that guy from Miami, 8mil/yr sounds fine, he's a Baller.
50 votes
C) Never heard of Red Bryant from SEA but he sounds good to me.
36 votes
D) Sammie Hill sounds intriguing if we could pry him away from DET.
51 votes
E) Who's Kendalll Langford and why is he on this list?
5 votes
F) None of the above I don't want to move Ratliff.
2 votes
G) None of the above, I want to address our NT needs in the draft.
23 votes

178 votes | Poll has closed

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soliai

we already had soliai a few years back. we cut him. what makes him so good now?

by maxdout on Feb 7, 2012 1:21 AM CST reply actions  

haha

he must be thinking of Siavii

by NUHuskyCowboyMinutemanCeltic on Feb 7, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

lol

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by CodeNamedG on Feb 7, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

OOOPS

Nothing like going on record… when you are uninformed.

by Oakster41 on Feb 7, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

ive watched red bryant the last few years

and ive been impressed with his mobility/motor.
definately a guy id be interested in

by howboutdemcowboyz on Feb 7, 2012 1:29 AM CST reply actions  

Jason Jones IS NOT a 3-4 NT/DT

He’s too undersized. You need a big plugger. Jones is more suitable as a 3-4 DE.

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by Rohpuri on Feb 7, 2012 1:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

That's exactly what I said above. Quote...

“he’s probably too small to man the nose we could plug him in at DE and keep Ratliff at the nose.”

by StarloverinWNC on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see a voting option I totally agreed with

Red Bryant though sounds good. He is a pretty good player and had like 4 blocked kicks on special teams this past year alone. He is a beast to deal with and I would assume he is pretty good on defense as well as they ranked pretty high defensively, especially against the run.

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by ProBowlFactory on Feb 7, 2012 6:29 AM CST reply actions  

BEST VALUE TO FIX OUR TEAM......SIGN A QUALITY NT

If Jerrah and Stephen actually THOUGHT about it, this would be the CHEAPEST way to fix our DEFENSE!!!! With a quality NT pushing the pocket, opposing QB’s couldn’t step up into the pocket which would make WARE and SPENCER much more effective at making stripping the ball from the QB and getting easier sacks. Plus, moving RAT to DE would allow him and/or our NT or other DE to make SACKS (shorter distance to rush) if the QB stepped up into the pocket to avoid WARE or SPENCER’s outside pass rush!!!!

by Pacerman on Feb 7, 2012 8:04 AM CST reply actions  

At first I didn't agree with your comment

But after seeing how many words you capitalized, you must be right.

by matt575 on Feb 7, 2012 2:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Jason Jones career is on the way up.

Kendall Langford is an interesting guy too. When he first came into the league he flashed pass rush skills. He didn’t show them last year but he could get better.

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 7, 2012 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

Actually the Cowboys ought to try to get one NT and one DE from that list.

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 7, 2012 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

I am recommending this post. Excellent guide to free agent defensive lineman not named Mario Wiliakims , Campbell or Avril .

by Jonathan Stern on Feb 7, 2012 8:56 AM CST reply actions  

NT

So what does everyone think is the main reason the Boys have not addressed the NT problem sooner? Is it Rat’s unwillingness to move back to DE? I know as an All-Pro and perennial Pro-bowler, the coaching staff would probably be hesitant to want to mess up a perceived “sure thing.” But if the casual fan can see that Ratliff is getting pushed back way too often, and that the double teams he faces almost constantly, are waering hom down in games, why can’t the coaching staff? Picking up one stud NT would alleviate the DL issues, almost instantly, because then we would finally have a DE that can get to the QB, in addition to a NT that can collapse the pocket from the middle.

by 405dallasfan on Feb 7, 2012 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

Since Rat came in and was effective they kind of moved to a sort of one gap system where Rat is most effective.

Which is more akin to a 4-3 system, for the 3-4 to work effectively they need that guy in the middle, but they also need great DE’s. I definitely agree that a prototypical NT is what this team needs first as I believe Rat can be rather effective at DE, Hatcher looked pretty good and Lissemore as well. I would be happy with them addressing the positions on the LOS whether that be NT, DE, and G, C on the other side. I think they got lucky with Rat and since then they really didn’t address the D- line in the draft. IMO the FO got caught up in the flashy players and were also in that “just a few pieces” away mentality that kept us from stocking talent in the right places. IMO I think that line of thinking has changed. I believe JG knows the importance of great play on both sides of the LOS, as he witnessed one of the best examples of it in his days on the SB teams.

by DCB* on Feb 7, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess you could say they realized the problem before last season.

These NT’s are just hard to find I guess, since there aren’t very many of them. They drafted Josh Brent in the 7th round of the 2010 supplemental draft. He’s 6-2 and 318 pounds. Even if we dont sign a FA or draft one in the early rounds. I think it’s imperative that we draft a project in the later rounds to try and find our NEXT Ratliff. Gotta have more than one bun in that oven though, cause the odds are long.

by StarloverinWNC on Feb 7, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Bill Parcell's "Planet Theory"

Very few guys that are that big and are athletic enough to be successful in the NFL. I think/ hope they get Hicks late in the draft, he’s very athletic for his size.

by DCB* on Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

You Forgot A Few FAs

Sione Pouha, Antonio Garay, and Abrayou Franklin are also FA NTs who could come in and take over the spot. Pouha and Garay are likely to be re-signed but Franklin isn’t. We’d be able to get him pretty cheap if you look at what he got for 2011.

by inwittenitrust on Feb 7, 2012 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

Franklin

played a good NT for SF by most accounts, but was miscast as a 4-3 DT with NO last year. I would think about Frankin for a 1 year contract and see how Ratliff moving to DE works in camp. If it doesn’t work for some reason no harm and Rat back to NT and Frankin as a reserve.

by DB23 on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

With so many holes at LB, DB and G/C I think DL might have to wait for big upgrades til 2013, at least they have warm bodies on the DL now which is not the case at those other spots.

by DB23 on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

They're all older NT's and wouldn't be part of a long term plan.
Unfortunately it’s not a huge FA NT class, it’s riddled with some guys that are on the wrong side of 30 that are good players but wouldn’t fit into our long term plans, guys like Cory Redding(31), Sione Pouha(33), and Antonio Garay(32).

by StarloverinWNC on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Josh Brent

So does anyone believe that Brent is the stud NT we need, but already have on the roster? I have read many times about him being one of the strongest players on the team, but yet the times he wasn’t injured, his playing time was LIMITED He didn’t receive enough playing time to allow for the coaches/fans to gauge just how efective he could be, in the starting NT role. What does everyone think?

by 405dallasfan on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

He's shows some promise, but...
He didn’t receive enough playing time to allow for the coaches/fans to gauge just how efective he could be, in the starting NT role

Hopefully he is the NT we’ve been looking for, but if he was, one would think they would have played him some more. He’s no Paul Soliai though.

by DCB* on Feb 7, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It's always a worry of diminishing returns

Brent looked good in limited snaps. Lissemore looked GREAT in limited snaps.

If EITHER (a) Brent could start at NT and Ratliff move to LE OR (b) Lissemore could start at LE for Coleman, it’d be a cheap & effective way to upgrade the DL.

But you never know, some guys fall off rapidly after playing x snaps …

by DB23 on Feb 7, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

stay away from RFA`s they barely move

unless the team does n`t want them, in the case of Sammie Hill I imagine the Lions will want to keep him and slap a 1rst rd tender on him.

by ziggy19 on Feb 7, 2012 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

NT goes a long way

If we can get one of these NTS ,Bryant or (my personal fav) Soliai, that could go a long ways in helping to address multiple needs across the team. Getting a NT , frees up Rat to man a DE spot, thereby addressing 2 needs. Then we can get a cb (carr) and get one of the pro bowler guards -Nicks or Grubbs ,as well as some quality second tier players o increase our talent and depth( cb,s, lb, qb) as well as resign who we need to( robinson and spencer )

This way in the draft, we can move up/back /or take BPA. Personally ,id like to go up and get claiborne (if he falls into a reasonable range ) .

UNLESS, we are going back to a 4-3, then theres a whole new plan of action ,and Coples is my target

by gogokroz on Feb 7, 2012 5:43 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I would like to see us get a NT, but maybe we should just try and land Ta’amu in the draft and plug him in, with Brent as the back-up. Soliai is gonna be expensive, R. Seymour is making about 15mil/year, so I was just guessing on what Paul is gonna cost…it could be more than 8 mil/yr.

We have too many needs imo to be trading up for guys unless they are really close like within 3 or maybe 4 spots. Claiborne is gonna go between 1-8. Maybe Coples lasts until 10 but I doubt it. He’s the only clear cut pass rushing DE in the 1st round. Pass rushers are at a premium, he’ll prolly go just after Claiborne.

I wouldn’t even mind switching to a 4-3 and drafting Kuechly or trading back and taking Burfict and an extra second.

by StarloverinWNC on Feb 7, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure why so many people seem so enamored with Paul Soliai.

PFF has him as the 38th ranked DT/NT in 2011. He also struggles with weight/conditioning issues. Not the kind of guy I’m interested in giving a big pay day. He’s had one good year (2010) sandwiched around two poor years (2009, 2011).

He looks good on paper at 6’4" 355 and has some name recognition so I guess that’s what people are falling for but in reality it just doesn’t seem a good idea.

by Luke. on Feb 7, 2012 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

To be honest Ive not really watched the guy or looked hard at his overall production. Just one of the ‘Big’ names being thrown around.

I’m not sure how much faith I have in PFF either. 38th Ranked DT/NT is pretty low, If it included all the DE that would be better. 38th out of how many is the question I guess, coupled with how much is that gonna cost? If say u could get Bryant who’s ranked 40th for 1/2 the price, I’d go with that.

I’m of the opinion that if we dont find good value on the FA market and we cant land Ta’amu then we stick with status quo and draft a late round project.

by StarloverinWNC on Feb 7, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not sure how much faith I have in PFF either

I’m never been one to say PFF is perfect but…

To be honest Ive not really watched the guy or looked hard at his overall production. Just one of the ‘Big’ names being thrown around.

I’ll take PFF over that any day.

by Luke. on Feb 8, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I never claimed I was Mel Kiper, ya douchebag.

by StarloverinWNC on Feb 8, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Why so testy?

I’m simply saying PFF is better than nothing.

Don’t be so sensitive.

by Luke. on Feb 8, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My brother is a Dolfan and...

he and E.F. Hutton say that Soliai was only franchised at $12.35 mil last yr so no one could take him away and he won’t get that money again BUT they have him as the prime target to resign but only have around $12mil in cap space so he may to walk as he won’t take a cheapo contract since this is his first big FA contract. I like him but $8mil/yr is much better spent on Nicks since we already have Rat and Brent. I think alot of 3-4 teams would be happy with Rat and Brent, not everyone has 2 Ngata’s on their team.

by hjs1971 on Feb 7, 2012 6:47 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

U didn’t just compare Rat and Brent to Ngata did you?

What color is the kool-aid today?

by StarloverinWNC on Feb 7, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well...
The Dolphins will not negotiate a new contract for franchise NT Paul Soliai by Tuesday’s 4:00 ET deadline.
The Dolphins haven’t even been willing to discuss an extension for Soliai, who is earning $12.5 million under the franchise tag.
“Several sources” tell the Palm Beach Post the Dolphins are expected to switch to a 4-3 defense in 2012, and that as a result free agent NT Paul Soliai will be allowed to walk.

by Luke. on Feb 7, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Fins going to a 4-3......

as are the Bills. The 3-4 isn’t all it’s cracked up to be unless you have Steeler type players. I pray Dallas follows suit.

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by football mensa on Feb 8, 2012 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Those reasons...

Are the reason I think he could/should be had for a reasonable price. That franchise tag seemed like a smack in the face from the dolphins only so that he wouldn’t be able to get away. Now they’re switching to a 4-3 and don’t care. They are on bad terms it seems so he’s been waiting to get away and that also seems like it played into his production on the field somewhat too this year (even though he still got selected for the probowl). I do think we’d have to compete to acquire him though to that’s disheartening. I just hope he’d decide to sign with us if we decide to go that route.

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by CodeNamedG on Feb 8, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

that franchise tag seemed like a smack in the face from the dolphins only so that he wouldn’t be able to get away

I know what you are saying, but please please some one slap me in the face with 12.5M

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by BigBad Joe on Feb 10, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I was saying, unless you had 2 Ngata’s on your team, you’d prob be ok with Rat and Brent. I think we are better at NT (for a 3-4) then half the teams out there but def not the best out there. I wish we had 2 Ngata’s!

by hjs1971 on Feb 7, 2012 7:21 PM CST reply actions  

Considering Ryan's scheme

A versatile nose tackle is the best fit for that 2-gap player. Ratliff managed to play onyl arond half of his snaps last year as a traditional 2-gap. Ryan probably schemed to the strengths of Ratliff, among other players, but he moves around his players very often regardless. Because of this, I’d think a run stuffer such as Paul Soliai isn’t very ideal. Someone such as Red Bryant, who is smaller but more athletic, would fit in pretty well.

Kendall Langford are both intriguing as five-techs in Ryan’s scheme. Jason Jones is interesting, but as his size, he’d have to play SOLB or be a Suggs-esque tweener. I don’t know much about him, but if he has the build and athleticism of, say, Melvin Ingram, then he could be more valuable than a purely situation role player.

by Scientia on Feb 7, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions  

Chapman

would be an ideal fit, played NT in a 3 man front at Bama, and is suited to a 1 gap, he is ideal size and weight has strong lower body and long arms, but would he be their in the 3rd round though.

by LeedsCowboys on Feb 8, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

I know exactly who Red Bryant is

I’m not sure but I think when he was recruited to go to A&M back in the early 2000s he went there to be a 34DE, aka a 5tech. In the pros he’s mostly been a DT. He was a good college player, and I’m sure he’s a good NFL player

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by AustonianAggie on Feb 9, 2012 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

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