Position Outlook: WR & TE
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 8, 2012 2:42 PM CST
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Well here we are at last. This will be my second to last installment of my series called Position Outlook, where I will be profiling each position and the players that Dallas has for that position. I am Combining the TE and WR post into one as to finish the series sooner, so that I can move on to my draft series, "How Will They Fit?". I will be giving MY opinion on the relative strength of the position, and how likely I think Dallas will be drafting that position in the 2012 NFL Draft. I will include All current players in this evaluation.
Now I will be using Stats from NFL.com(where applicable) and NFLDraftScout.com(where applicable) as the basis for my Evaluation. I will also be giving the Contract Info via Rotoworld.com. Once I have shown the players, I will rank them using the 5 star method as Follows:
5 Stars- Minimum Amount of Quality Starters at Position and At least one quality Backup for Position= BPA only if player is ranked significantly higher than any other player, and would not be a factor in FA
4 Stars- Minimum amount of Quality Starters at position, Unproven Depth = Address as BPA and FA for Depth
3 Stars- Minimum of one Quality player at starter, young, but unproven Depth=slight need, BPA in rounds 4-7 preferably, look to fill need in FA
2 Stars-Serviceable Starter(s), No Depth = solid need, BPA if within rounds 1-3 if not taken care of in Free Agency
1 Star- No Quality players at starter nor in depth= major need, Draft no later than 2nd round, would take precedence over BPA if Gap is close enough, and is a must target in Free Agency
The series so far:
QB position 3 stars
Offensive Tackle position 4 stars
Offensive Guard position 3 stars
Offensive Center position 5 stars
Cornerback position 2 stars*
Safety position 3 stars
Defensive Line 3 stars
Inside Linebacker 3 stars
Running/Full Backs 5 stars
Outside linebacker 3 stars
It seems that there is some confusion to the rankings. The grade is merely what I think the relative strength of the position itself is. I am not saying that any one group is "better than another" To Illustrate: I gave the Tackle position 4 stars, yet I gave the center position 5 stars. This is not to say that Costa and Kowalski are more talented than Doug Free, Tyron Smith and Jeremy Parnell. What the Rankings signify is the combination of TOTAL talent, age, and Contract status of ALL rostered players FOR EACH Position. I am grading as a Group not individuality. While the Individual grades do impact the overall ranking, a "higher" ranking does not mean "better" or more talented. I hope that this clears up any confusion.
To Start Lets look at the TE position:
Jason Witten
Age: 29
College: Tennessee
Experience: 9th season
Height: 6-6 Weight: 265
| CAREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 16 | 79 | 942 | 11.9 | 64 | 5 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 1 | 0 |
| 2010 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 16 | 94 | 1,002 | 10.7 | 33 | 9 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 1 | 1 |
| 2009 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 16 | 94 | 1,030 | 11.0 | 69 | 2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2008 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 16 | 81 | 952 | 11.8 | 42 | 4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2007 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 16 | 96 | 1,145 | 11.9 | 53 | 7 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 1 | 1 |
| 2006 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 15 | 64 | 754 | 11.8 | 42 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2005 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 16 | 66 | 757 | 11.5 | 34 | 6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2004 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 15 | 87 | 980 | 11.3 | 42T | 6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 2 | 1 |
| 2003 | Dallas Cowboys | 15 | 7 | 35 | 347 | 9.9 | 36T | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| TOTAL | 696 | 7,909 | 11.4 | 69 | 41 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 3 | |||
Contract Details:9/11/2011: Signed a five-year, $37 million contract. The deal contains $19 million guaranteed. 2011: $3.391 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2012: $3.641 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2013-2017: $37 million, 2018: Free Agent
John Phillips #89 TE
Height: 6-5 Weight: 261
Age: 24
College: Virginia
Experience: 3rd season
| CAREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 7 | 15 | 101 | 6.7 | 12T | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2009 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 4 | 7 | 62 | 8.9 | 23 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| TOTAL | 22 | 163 | 7.4 | 23 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||
Contract Details:7/24/2009: Signed a four-year, $1.828 million contract. The deal included a $78,250 signing bonus. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Now Lets look at the WR position:
Miles Austin #19 WR
Height: 6-2 Weight: 215
Age: 27
College: Monmouth (N.J.)
Experience: 6th season
| CAREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | Dallas Cowboys | 10 | 10 | 43 | 579 | 13.5 | 53T | 7 | 2 | 3 | 1.5 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 2010 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 16 | 69 | 1,041 | 15.1 | 69T | 7 | 7 | 93 | 13.3 | 60T | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 2009 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 9 | 81 | 1,320 | 16.3 | 60T | 11 | 2 | -2 | -1.0 | 11 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 2008 | Dallas Cowboys | 12 | 0 | 13 | 278 | 21.4 | 63 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 1 | 0 |
| 2007 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 0 | 5 | 76 | 15.2 | 35 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2006 | Dallas Cowboys | 9 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 3 | 1 |
| TOTAL | 211 | 3,294 | 15.6 | 69 | 28 | 11 | 94 | 8.5 | 60 | 1 | 7 | 2 | |||
| Combine Results | Pro Day Results | ||
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Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6021 Weight: 215 40 Yrd Dash: 4.47 20 Yrd Dash: 2.64 10 Yrd Dash: 1.56 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 40 1/2 Broad Jump: 10'03" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.14 3-Cone Drill: 7.09 |
Dates: 03/21/06 Height: 6021 Weight: 215 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash: |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: |
Contract Details:9/9/2010: Signed a seven-year, $57.168 million contract. The cap-conscious deal contains $18 million guaranteed -- no signing bonus but all of Austin's whopping $17.078 million first-year base salary. 2012: $1.15 million, 2013: $6.732 million, 2014: $5.5 million, 2015: $6.888 million, 2016: $11.38 million, 2017: Free Agent
Dez Bryant #88 WR
Height: 6-2 Weight: 218
Age: 23
College: Oklahoma State
Experience: 2nd season
| CAREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | Dallas Cowboys | 15 | 13 | 63 | 928 | 14.7 | 50T | 9 | 1 | 5 | 5.0 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 1 |
| 2010 | Dallas Cowboys | 12 | 2 | 45 | 561 | 12.5 | 46 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| TOTAL | 108 | 1,489 | 13.8 | 50 | 15 | 2 | 5 | 2.5 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 2 | |||
| Combine Results | Pro Day Results | ||
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Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6020 Weight: 224 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash: |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: No workout, left hamstring |
Dates: 03/30/10 03/10-DNP Height: 6020 Weight: 224 40 Yrd Dash: 4.52 20 Yrd Dash: 2.51 10 Yrd Dash: 1.53 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 14 Vertical Jump: 38 Broad Jump: 11'01" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.46 3-Cone Drill: 7.10 |
Contract Details:7/22/2010: Signed a five-year, $11.8 million contract. The deal contains $8.63 million guaranteed, including a $1.95 million signing bonus and a $570,000 first-year roster bonus. Another $3.185 million is available through a "likely to be earned" onetime incentive clause. 2011: $1,112,500, 2012: $1,335,000, 2013: $1,557,500, 2014: $1.78 million, 2015: Free Agent
Kevin Ogletree #85 WR
Height: 6-1 Weight: 190
Age: 24
College: Virginia
Experience: 3rd season
| CAREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | Dallas Cowboys | 14 | 1 | 15 | 164 | 10.9 | 33 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 1.5 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 2010 | Dallas Cowboys | 6 | 0 | 3 | 34 | 11.3 | 19 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2009 | Dallas Cowboys | 11 | 0 | 7 | 96 | 13.7 | 21 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 6.0 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
| TOTAL | 25 | 294 | 11.8 | 33 | 0 | 3 | 9 | 3.0 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 1 | |||
| Combine Results | Pro Day Results | ||
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Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6004 Weight: 196 40 Yrd Dash: 4.36 20 Yrd Dash: 2.51 10 Yrd Dash: 1.50 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 36 Broad Jump: 10'02" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.08 3-Cone Drill: 6.67 |
Dates: 03/19/09 Height: 6004 Weight: 196 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash: |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: |
Contract Details: Restricted Free Agent
Jesse Holley #16 WR
Height: 6-2 Weight: 220
Age: 28
College: North Carolina
Experience: 2nd season
| CAREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | Dallas Cowboys | 16 | 0 | 7 | 169 | 24.1 | 77 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2010 | Dallas Cowboys | 12 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| TOTAL | 7 | 169 | 24.1 | 77 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||
| Combine Results | Pro Day Results | ||
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Combine Invite: Height: 6021 Weight: 208 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash: |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: |
Dates: 03/06/07 04/17/07 Height: 6021 Weight: 208 40 Yrd Dash: 4.65 20 Yrd Dash: 2.70 10 Yrd Dash: 1.55 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18 Vertical Jump: 34 1/2 Broad Jump: 9'9" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40 3-Cone Drill: 6.98 |
Contract Details: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Dwayne Harris
#17 WR
Height: 5-10 Weight: 208
Age: 24
College: East Carolina
Experience: Rookie
| CAREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Receiving | Rushing | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2011 | Dallas Cowboys | 7 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| TOTAL | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||
| Combine Results | Pro Day Results | ||
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Combine Invite: Yes Height: 5103 Weight: 203 40 Yrd Dash: 4.53 20 Yrd Dash: 2.58 10 Yrd Dash: 1.58 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 10 Vertical Jump: 34 Broad Jump: 09'03" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.21 3-Cone Drill: 6.77 4.46/4.54/4.64 40 range before Combine |
Dates: 03/23/11 Height: 5103 Weight: 203 40 Yrd Dash: 4.51 20 Yrd Dash: 2.55 10 Yrd Dash: 1.75 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: |
Contract Details: Undisclosed
Andre Holmes #15 WR
Height: 6-4 Weight: 210
Age: 23
College: Hillsdale
Experience: Rookie
| Combine Results | Pro Day Results | ||
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Combine Invite: Yes Height: 6043 Weight: 210 40 Yrd Dash: 4.51 20 Yrd Dash: 2.60 10 Yrd Dash: 1.61 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 11 Vertical Jump: 35 Broad Jump: 10'10" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.31 3-Cone Drill: 6.69 4.42/4.49/4.58 40 range before Combine |
Dates: 03/16/11@Michigan St Height: 6043 Weight: 210 40 Yrd Dash: 4.45 20 Yrd Dash: 2.60 10 Yrd Dash: 1.58 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: 33 1/2 Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: |
Contract Details: Undisclosed
Raymond Radway #86 WR
Height: 6-3 Weight: 193
Age: 24
College: Abilene Christian
Experience: Rookie
| Combine Results | Pro Day Results | ||
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Combine Invite: Height: 6025 Weight: 193 40 Yrd Dash: 20 Yrd Dash: 10 Yrd Dash: |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: Vertical Jump: Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 3-Cone Drill: |
Dates: 03/21/11 Height: 6025 Weight: 193 40 Yrd Dash: 4.42 20 Yrd Dash: 2.54 10 Yrd Dash: 1.66 |
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 06 Vertical Jump: 38 Broad Jump: 10'09" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.02 3-Cone Drill: 7.08 |
Contract Details: Undisclosed(Placed on IR)
Teddy Williams
Height: 6-3 Weight: 200
Age: 23
College: Texas-San Antonio
Experience: 1st season
No Career Stats
No Draft Profile
Contract Status: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
For the TE position Jason Witten is Obviously a All pro player, however with just John Phillips behind him Dallas probably needs to draft another TE as a 3rd TE as Garrett is Fond of the Two TE set I will give this position a solid 4 Stars- Minimum amount of Quality Starters at position, Unproven Depth = Address as BPA and FA for Depth
As for the WR Position I have to also give it 4 Stars- Minimum amount of Quality Starters at position, Unproven Depth = Address as BPA and FA for Depth as both Austin and Dez have had issues with injuries this past year, though if Robinson resigns this Becomes a 5 star position.....
That is all the positions ya'll. I will be using this series in at least one more post where I take the rankings and input them into Draftek's "Online Draft Simulator". I have provided a link to it for those that wish to use it. It is a really nice tool that can save a lot of time mocking up picks. And just as a Review:
QB position 3 stars
Offensive Tackle position 4 stars
Offensive Guard position 3 stars
Offensive Center position 5 stars
Cornerback position 2 stars*
Safety position 3 stars
Defensive Line 3 stars
Inside Linebacker 3 stars
Running/Full Backs 5 stars
Outside linebacker 3 stars
Wide Receiver positions 4 stars
Tight End position 4 stars
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Small typo
For the TE position Jason Williams is Obviously a All pro player,
Should probably read Jason Witten.
Each week, play whoever is standing across the field from you, whenever and wherever. If you match up well, exploit it and win. If you don’t, then get very crafty in your game play and try to "steal" a win anyway. Repeat process until no more games remain, and confetti rains down from a retractable roof and Roger Goodell is handing out hardware. - hookerhome
in aeternum amicus meus vivit sua musica non morietur
A Friend of mine lives forever, his music will never die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J1FHzJruAg
RIP Chuck Shuldiner - Father of Death Metal
Nick, now you are going to take away the only hope of any love being ever shown to Jason Williams on BtB
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
that guy
I had such high hopes for him. Sad that he never lived up to his potential here.
Each week, play whoever is standing across the field from you, whenever and wherever. If you match up well, exploit it and win. If you don’t, then get very crafty in your game play and try to "steal" a win anyway. Repeat process until no more games remain, and confetti rains down from a retractable roof and Roger Goodell is handing out hardware. - hookerhome
in aeternum amicus meus vivit sua musica non morietur
A Friend of mine lives forever, his music will never die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J1FHzJruAg
RIP Chuck Shuldiner - Father of Death Metal
by Nick Castillo on Feb 8, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Fixed
and thanks…
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 8, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Great look at the position Ironman
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Thank BD
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 8, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I give the wr's 3 stars.
Agree with 4 stars for te.
Center still gets 1 1/2.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
why only 3 stars for the WR' mensa?
while I admit that Austin and Dez have had issues with injuries, which is why I down graded them to 4stars, you can’t deny that they both have been productive…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
For the reaosn you said.....
Austin missed most of the season. I would contact the Pats and see if I could trade Austin. Dez is potential but there seems ot be something missing. He isn’t there yet. Robinson carried this group. Harris is a little bit better Skyler Green.
If you rate purely on potential this group has 5 star potential.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 9, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
in a way
That is what I am doing here Mensa..
I think that is the biggest difference me and you have…I focus on the potential…you seem to focus on the production….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 9, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Uh potential gets coaches fired. I never grade on potential.
That’s why draft grades are dumb.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 9, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Mensa I agree with you.
If I can apply this to the NFL Draft, why should Michael Brockers be the pick at 14? Isn’t everyone’s justification for him, his “potential” to develop into a JJ Watt type of player?
I really want to know how you reconcile the statement that potential gets coaches fired with the potential selection of Brockers.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 9, 2012 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ro the draft should be named the NFL Potential selction. That is all the draft is.
N regards to Brockers his potential ceiling is higher than all but about 7 players. Even still he may surpass them. Ro tell me 1 can’t miss without a doubt bonafide superstar in the draft. If you name one player you have set yourself up for being wrong. Even foolish looking.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 6:22 AM CST up reply actions
I'll give you one
Andrew Luck. I’ll risk my credibility on him. I watched this kid play during his Stanford career. I honestly have only been excited about the following first rd QBs in the last 14 years: Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton last year, and Andrew Luck this year.
I barely watched RG3 play this year, and never heard of him until this season, so I have no clue if he’ll be a superstar or not. But I’ll be shocked if Andrew Luck doesn’t pan out and have a pro bowl career. The kid ran a pro offense at Stanford, makes all the throws, calls the plays from the LOS, and calls his own audibles (how many college QBs have that opportunity?). Put it this way, if Luck fell to 14 in the draft, as much as I like Tony Romo, I’m on the phone trading Romo to some team for extra picks, and I’m taking Andrew Luck without hesitation. I’ve only seen NFL Films replays of the 1970s Cowboys games, but to me, Luck has a combination of Rodger Staubauch and John Elway to him. That’s how special I think this kid is. Yes it’s high praise, but I can’t help but get behind Luck.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 3:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well the Skins would take him before he got to 14. I would trade Romo right now to the Colts for Luck.
I don’t think we are as close as a lot of other fans do. Nah, Luck is good at escaping but Roger was magical. He doesn’t have Elways arm. You are correct that he is a little of both though. He went to high school about 30 minutes from where I live.
I live in Houston and watched RG3 play many times. His coach was the coach at the University of Houston before he went to Baylor. I will say RG3, his long ball accuracy is almost jaw dropping at times. We will have to wait and see if it translates to the pros.
There is always that Pacifier 10 thing though. Those qb’s put up such big numbers because there is no defense being played. : p
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
I just love watching option plays and 40 handoffs a game like most SEC schools do it :p
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And yet they win !!
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Watch out for U$C next year-their Bowl suspension is over.
Just like the University of Miami, when U$C is at it’s best, they’re just as good as any SEC team.
Don’t get me wrong, when the SEC champ plays in the BCS title game, it’s an easy money maker when they go up against the Big10 or the Big12 (can these conferences please switch names for crying out loud!!!).
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I will say, RG3's longball is pretty
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wrong Mensa
potential gets coaches fired.
Potential that doesn’t Pan out(especially in the First Round) is what gets Coaches Fired…
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 9, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, that's more accurately stated.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
You're wrong ironman .
Potential is unattained prospective results. If you grade on potential results the grade isn’t absolute. It’s projection. That kind of thought get’s you into trouble. See the Felix pick, Bennett,Jason Williams, All players projected to be much better than they are.
That is the flaw in your grading system.
Potential that doesn’t Pan out(especially in the First Round) is what gets Coaches Fired…
Really ? What got Wade fired ? Dallas had more potential than the 1 win he had his last season.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 6:29 AM CST up reply actions
nice breakdown Ironman
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 9, 2012 12:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hey Ironman
Calvin Watkins is doing the same you’re doing here. Note, he lists TE on the need meter (0-5) as a 4.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4689975/cowboys-position-series-tight-ends-2
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Calvin Watkins
is an idiot….
That is all.
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 9, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
LOL!!! Tell me how you feel about Tim McMahon
He did the same thing with the WRs on Tuesday.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=dallascowboys&id=4690016
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 9, 2012 7:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well...to be honest
Calvin Watkins Tim McMahon
is an idiot….
That is all.
I think that the WR position is pretty Solid (though to say that Austin “disappointed” isn’t true. He was injured…yet he still outproduced but Dez and Robinson on a per game Basis…
I guess Andre Johnson was a “disappointment” also:
G__GS_REC____YRD__AVG__TD
7__ 7___33_____492_ 14.9___2
Miles Austin:
G__GS_REC__YRD__AVG__TD
10_10___43___579__13.5___7
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 9, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
If you extrapolate Austin’s numbers over a full 16 games: 68 Receptions, 926 Yards, 11 TDs
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 9, 2012 7:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I got 69 recs
but still…pretty good numbers….Considering that:
Witten got 74
Dez got 63
Robinson got 54….
and really had Austin been Healthy, You could take 1/2 -3/4th of Robinson’s rec’s and give them to Austin….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 9, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
But he didn't play 16 games.
It’s like saying if we would have beaten the Jets and Giants we would have made the playoffs. But we didn’t.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 9, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
while this is true Mensa
But he didn’t play 16 games.
It’s like saying if we would have beaten the Jets and Giants we would have made the playoffs. But we didn’t.
to say he was a “disappointment” because of it, is frankly idiotic. HE averaged 4+ catches a game. I view injuries as a “nonfactor” for the most part. People get injured playing Pro Football. The guys are subjecting themselves to stresses the the Human body was never designed to cope with, in terms of training and in the games. Injuries are going to happen. You are not going to prevent them, merely minimize them.
and like a said I don’t hear anyone saying that Anre Johnson was a “disappointment”..(well except for the fantasy Football guys)
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 9, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'll tell you the dirty little secret
The reason Miles Austin doesn’t get a pass is the same reason Tony Romo never gets a pass. Mediots who work for ESPN like to defend guys who have “first round draft pick pedegree,” if they’ve proven to not be busts over the course of their careers. Meanwhile, Romo and Austin are viewed as guys who were missed on by scouts but because they play for Dallas, everyone waits for the moment they can rip them and say “see see these guys are overrated, they’re disappointments!” They want their readers and viewers to parrot them. They know it makes a juicy story that gets clicks and viewers if they take shots at Romo and Austin, Dallas’ diamonds in the rough who were never considered elite players to begin with.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 9, 2012 8:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
which to me is "pardon the language"
ass backwards, as my grandfather always said.
Instead of some first round pick that goes to a major school, you would think that they would want to brag up Austin and Romo…
While both of them are elite Athletes the fact that both of them were “small school guys” should be celebrated…not torn down….
I think it has more to do with the fact that they play in Dallas though, cuz look at Tom Brady. The 6th round isn’t that far off from being an UDFA, yet Brady can do no wrong(see Super Bowl, no one is crucifiying Brady for overthrowing a Wide open Welker)…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 9, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Being Dallas Cowboys helps with tearing them down.
As far as Brady to Welker in the SB goes:
If you look at the play you’ll notice the Giants were in Cover 3, there was a safety in the area to Welker’s right; there was also two other DBs in the area. Tom threw that ball in the one spot that the DBs couldn’t get to it. I’ve seen him and Welker hit that same exact play on numerous occasions. Eric Mangini broke the play down Monday morning on ESPN’s First Take, and said Welker should’ve caught it. In football there’s the old saying, if the ball hits a receiver’s hands, he needs to come up with the ball. On that play Welker had to hands on it. He dropped it, $hit happens.
It was a similar misfire like Romo to Austin. Austin said he lost it in the lights. Damn Giants. 1 missfire puts them in the playoffs; another 1 gives them the SB.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 1:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ro inaccurate......
I don’t care if a player is blue with 4 eyeballs,two tongues and has 8 thumbs and was born on Mars. If he can play sign him up.
Austin has too many wide open drops. When he is on he can be devastating but he isn’t as natural as Robinson. Bottom line is I don’t grade on p[otential. I grade by tangible results. If you are sitting on the bench there is nothing to grade.
Looking at your’s and ironman comments above and below….I chuckle…Any halfway astute Cowboys fan understands the stability that Romo brought to the qb position. Romo gets torn down because there has been no sustained success in Dallas. He is the trigger man for the Dallas Cowboys. He had the botched fg in Seattle. He had the Cabo trip which was terrible judgement on his part. He hasn’t been beyond the second round of the playoffs. He has meltdowns like vs the Lions and Jet’s.
Brady has won 3 superbowls. Brady is a better player than Romo. What round you are chosen in has nothing to do with anything. Iron you are reaching hard with the Brady overthrowing Welker. Welker had his hands on it. Romo never got Austin the ball vs the Gmen in the first game on that last drive. And there is the difference. There is just that “something” that’s missing in Romo’s game. You can see it but you can’t explain it. He isn’t elite. Great stats guy but he isn’t in the top 5.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 6:57 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't Austin take the blame for losing the ball in the lights?
As much as I like Miles Austin, I agree with you, Robinson is a better receiver than him, at least it seems to me, Robinson is better at locating the ball. Austin might be better at fighting for the ball-see that TD he had against the Jets, where as Robinson let Chris Houston steal the ball from him in the Lions game.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 3:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Funny how no other wr's lose the ball in the lights . At an indoor stadium no less.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 10, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
effing Jerry
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 10, 2012 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The lights are on but nobody’s Cowboys Stadium’s not home.
Outdoors. On grass. In sunlight.
That's one small step...
Texas Stadium was homefiled advantage
Cowboys Stadium is just Texas Stadium on HGH with overpriced seats which drives out the real fans.
Hollywood Henderson hated the crowds at Texas Stadium for their wine and cheese demeanor, I can’t stand the WNBA crowds that show up to Cowboys Stadium. Don’t get me wrong, I love children, but if little kids cheering and shouting can be heard through the speakers of my television over everyone else, then something is the problem with Cowboys fans who show up to home games.
I’m also sick of seeing a lot off opposing teams jerseys in the stands at Cowboys Stadium. Makes me not want to ever make a trip to Arlington to see them at home.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
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