Mocking The Cowboys Draft: Déjà Vu All Over?
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 8, 2012 12:24 PM CST
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We're another week closer to the draft and we've got another edition of freshly mocked drafts to peruse.
What stands out about this week's mock draft roundup is that many of the most recent mocks have the Cowboys taking a cornerback with the first pick, something that should give many Cowboys fans a feeling of déjà vu:
At about this time last year, some mocks in full-on wishful thinking mode had the Cowboys taking LSU's Patrick Peterson. For many others, Nebraska's Prince Amukamara was a popular choice for the Cowboys' ninth pick. At the time, Mel Kiper even found it difficult to let Amukamara slide all the way to the ninth spot:
"I can't see (Amukamara) getting past Dallas. Now, surprises happen every draft, and you never say never, but right now, I had a tough time getting him down to Dallas," Kiper said. "I didn't even feel great about pushing him down to Dallas. I thought about even giving him to a couple teams earlier. San Francisco (at No. 7) could go corner, maybe somebody could trade up and get him."
Of course, Amukamara ended up slipping all the way to the 19th spot; such is the transient nature of these mock drafts. The draft is still eleven weeks away, so we'll see many more permutations of these mocks before we're done, and that is a good thing: it'll help flush out even the most obscure prospects.
After the break, we look at some of the latest mocks out there and who they have going to the Cowboys.
Walter Football, 2/8/2012: Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
I've always had reservations about putting Janoris Jenkins in the first round because of his multiple arrests, but he seems to have turned his life around. He hasn't gotten into trouble at North Alabama, and he even recently told the media that he doesn't even hang around people who smoke weed anymore. It seems that as with Phil Taylor, getting kicked out of school served as a wake-up call for Jenkins.
If the Cowboys are content about Jenkins' character, they'll take him at No. 14. Their secondary is an abomination, so multiple upgrades will need to be found this offseason. Jenkins is easily one of the most talented players in this class.
Drafttek, 2/8/2012: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
We have discussed ad nauseam over the past few weeks why CB is a need (along with the interior of the OL and generating a pass rush) for Dallas ... so why don't we take a different approach this week? Let's assume (there's that word) that Cuzzin Jerruh does absolutely nothing in free agency. If the Cowboys do not select Kirkpatrick, the probably starters are Jenkins and Scandrick as it will be difficult to justify $8 million for Newman, and for nickel and dime you have Ball and Walker. OG David DeCastro is still available on this simulation; however, if he is not the selection then Dallas still has Kosier, Nagy and Arkin on the roster and I can't imagine there being a great demand for free agents Dockery and Holland on the open market. OLB Courtney Upshaw could be had to rush the passer, but if he's not the Cowboys could place Butler or Albright opposite DeMarcus Ware if they don't re-sign Anthony Spencer. So tell me Cowboy Nation . . . what's the worse case scenario?
DraftAce.com, 2/7/2012 Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
Rob Ryan recently stated that he wants the Cowboys to focus on the secondary this offseason, and I suspect Jerry Jones will listen. Charges were recently dropped against Kirkpatrick in his marijuana arrest, which help alleviate any concerns teams may have about his character. Then again, the Cowboys aren’t the type of franchise that pays much attention to those types of concerns to begin with, and for that reason Janoris Jenkins may be an option here as well.
Rob Rang, Cbssports, 2/7/2012: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
The Cowboys' defense made gains under Rob Ryan, but inconsistencies in the secondary led to plenty of breakdowns. Kirkpatrick's recent arrest for marijuana possession could scare off some teams but Jerry Jones has shown a willingness to overlook off-field transgressions in the past. There is no denying Kirkpatrick's size and physicality would be a welcome addition to a defense in need of a shakeup in the secondary.
Dane Brugler, Cbssports, 2/7/2012: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
The Cowboys have several holes to fill, but the greatest need is in the secondary, more specifically at cornerback. Kirkpatrick is a top-10 talent with an impressive blend of size, length and speed, but could fall a few spots on draft day because of his recent marijuana possession charge. His aggressive playing style coupled with Dallas' need at cornerback makes this an easy pick for Jerry Jones and company.
Chad Reuter, NFL Network, 2/7/2012: Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
Upshaw is not an explosive sack-master like DeMarcus Ware, but he can get after the QB and hold the edge against the run as well as any player in the draft. He would be the perfect pickup to play across from Ware if scheduled free agent Anthony Spencer ends up leaving Dallas this offseason.
Draft King, 2/7/2012: Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
Coples looked great in the Senior Bowl, though in many ways it wasn't an accurate demonstration of his potential since he mostly faced off with Washington OL Senio Kelemete, who projects much stronger as an offensive guard than as a left offensive tackle. But there is no doubting Coples' size and strength, and he could be a great fit for Dallas' 3-4 defense.
Football’s Future, 2/6/2012: Michael Brockers, DL, LSU
There was a lot of talk about the Cowboys liking JJ Watt last year, so they could be in the market to add some youth to their defensive front. Brockers has a load of talent but is a work in progress. That likely won't scare off Jerry Jones, who has no problem going for the home run.
Dallas Cowboys Mock Draft overview (min. two rounds deep)
| Site | Date | 1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round | 5th Round | 6th Round |
| Draft Tek | 2/8 | Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama | Ben Jones, OC, Georgia | Jonathan Massaquoi, OLB, Troy | Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina | Ryan Van Bergen, DE, Michigan | Jaymes Brooks, OG, Virginia Tech |
| Walter Football | 2/8 | Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama | Chandler Jones, OLB, Syracuse | Tank Carder, ILB, TCU | Ben Jones, OC, Georgia | ||
| Draft Site | 2/7 | Mark Barron, S, Alabama | Kelechi Osemele, OG, Iowa State | Nick Foles, QB, Arizona | Brandon Lindsey, DE, Pittsburgh | Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa | Carmen Messina, ILB, New Mexico |
| Sideline Scholars | 2/7 | Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis | Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State | Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt | |||
| Great Blue North | 2/2 | Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama | Bruce Irvin, OLB, West Virginia | Jaye Howard, DT, Florida |
Walter Football walked away with the popular vote for best mock draft for four weeks in a row. Four weeks in which they had David DeCastro mocked to the Cowboys (and in three of which they also Janoris Jenkins going to the Cowboys in the second round). That obviously ended today.
Is their mock still good enough to hold on to the top spot, or is it somebody else's turn to take BTB's mock draft crown?
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DeCastro!
Regardless if we sign Nicks or not, DeCastro can not get passed the Cowboys
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
by thebigham on Feb 8, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Looks like the Cowboys plan is working.
Throwing everyone off their trail, making sure that DeCastro will fall to them!
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I think there is very little chance Jerry drafting a Guard at #14
Especially, when he knows the bulk of the problems of this team are on defense. DE, CB I think are the likely scenerio at #14 then draft an interior lineman later or sign one like Nicks in FA. I’m just not a fan of taking interior lineman that high and the history of Jerry proves it.
for every game lost by the defense there was a game that was lost by the offense this year
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
by thebigham on Feb 8, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree!
The need at CB outweighs the need at G. We drafted two guys last year for Guard and Nagy did pretty well. The reason Arkin didn’t play was strength (from what I’ve heard). I think the FO will sign a mid-level to top tier G and maybe a Vet C, while letting the others fight it out at G.
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Feb 8, 2012 5:01 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
you dont draft for need.. that leads to reaching
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Not saying I disagree, but its not going to be a Guard IMO...
Defense was the clear problem of this team, more so than the OL. The OL was young and inexperienced the reason they were so inconsistant. I think the coaching staff wants to see what this group does with a full training camp and a year under them. Not saying upgrades wont benifit the OL, but Im not ready to say that everyone on the OL is garbage except for Free and Smith like some are.
and that's why
the Giants & Philly had their way w/ our OL. Romo was on IR in 2010 & in 2011 had broken ribs, a punctured lung & nearly broken fingers. If that instills confidence in our coaching staff or anyone else for that matters we deserve to continue losing. DeCastro @14 or Konz/Cordy Glenn @20 will keep Romo upright more than likely then grabbing a CB.
The reason the defense looked so bad is because the offense couldn’t stay on the field after so many 3 & outs. If the offense can extend a couple more drives then the defense plays less snaps per game & are more rested during the 4th quarter & at the end of the season.
With that being said, the defense needs a lot of help. I’m just of the belief that we are closer to making our offense elite than we are our defense. Plug up the holes in G & C & our offense is vastly improved. Plug in 2 holes in our D & we’re still multiple defensive players away. If Romo goes down, like in 2010, the season goes down the toilet again.
If we draft on OC/OG in the 1st, I’d be happy w/ the rest of the draft being all defense. There’s a lot of defensive talent in the later rounds. There are guys like DE/OLB Malik Jackson, CB Pellerin & CB Marrow that looks like a poor man’s version of Dre Kirkpatrick.
The rest of the offensive help can arrive the way of UDFs such as FB/TE/H-Back Evan Rodriguez & QB Alex Tanney who Lisssy brought to our attention recently if I’m not mistaken.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Dominant DL takes the dominant OL most of the time...
Niners have a real good OL and the Giants handled them…Our OL isnt as bad as people think, they just need more time together and another piece added. Much more work needs to happen on the DL..
that's the point
we’re one piece away from OL being solid enough to keep Tony upright, the running game going & running out the clock. the Giant & Philly DL man-handled us so we have to shore up the OL. We hold off the pass rush & the offense flourishes.
DL would be vastly improved if we get a powerful NT. I read recently that teams treat our defense as a 4-3 defense because they consider the SOLB a non-threat & just roll their protection towards Ware & Rat. If we can get a true NT to blow up their blocking scheme then the QB can’t roll toward our SOLB or step up into the pocket.
We get a premium OL, NT & CBs & we’ll improve vastly. Like I said before one premium OL & rest defense.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
No the Giant's O-Line
handled the 49ers D-Line, and made them stay on the field forever. I could have sworn the Tuna was still prowling the sidelines the way the Giants were running their offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust with some passes thrown in to keep them honest. Smash and Bash ended up beating Flash and Dash in the Super Bowl.
If I should die before I wake,
feed Jake.
I agree with GunsUp ^^^
Neither side always wins if both are dominant. It is whichever team is attacking that drive. Line play in this SB was a very good example of that.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Feb 9, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Giants didn't handle the Niners OL
If Smith was a good qb, SF easily wins that game
In Romo we Trust
An experienced C would do wonders
plus the young guys are all 1 yr older and hopefully better. If we draft a G he better be day 1 ready and that means DeCastro. Nicks is another alternative but he won`t come easy nor cheap. If we fail to address the interior O Line in free agency then DeCastro if there at 14 becomes a no brainer.
You also need to analyze the draft class . . .
The center class is weak . . . but the guard class is deep. Keep in mind that there are a number of tackle prospects who will move inside due to lack of footwork (in other words, they make me look like a dancer!)
There will be VALUE at the guard position in every round of the draft this year.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
Agreed
that’s why I wouldn’t be opposed to trading down to 19/20, drafting Konz & getting a 2nd to draft Poe/Ta’amu plus a 34DE or CB w/ our original 2nd.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
So if Larry Allen were there at #14
you’d drop back to the 3rd and get Kyle Kosier?
Roger.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
Larry Allen was there at #46 . . .
. . . in the 1994 draft.
Kyle Kosier wasn’t available until the 2002 draft . . . at #249. Quite a drop, I’d say . . . LOL!
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
Carl Nicks a 5th rd`er
the guy everybody will be tripping over in free agency. Though he was considered a 2nd rd guy but shortly before the draft he got into some trouble with the law.
it's not a game
it’s real. You’re drafting individual men, not class depth. DeCastro is being graded as one of the 4 or 5 best football players in the entire draft, and one of the best non-tackle linemen in a decade.
You’d elect to pass on him because you can get “value” later? Would you have passed on Elway to get two Kevin Kolbs? Think of the value!! Think of the money you’d save and the cleverness of it. It was a deep QB class.
I only show up to mock other posters, jeer at the writing here, and make strange complaints about internet culture.
OL play is a group effort . . .
It requires quite a bit of orchestration to develop a cohesive “ballet” of five 300 lb. men . . . and one “individual” does not make the group better by himself, but how he fits into the group.
Here are some HOF lineman who were not selected in the 1st round:
Dermontti Dawson – 2nd round
Russ Grimm – 3rd round
Jackie Slater – 3rd round
Art Shell – 3rd round
Mike Webster – 5th round
Rayfield Wright – 7th round
Jim Langer – UDFA
Larry Little – UDFA
Jim Otto – UDFA
As for your non-applicable QB statement, I might pass on John Elway in the 1st round to draft Joe Montana in the 3rd round . . . or Roger Staubach in the 10th round!
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
We ned a C, not OG. I took Walter FB.
If Jenkins has his life straight. My thing is, he is not smoking because he is avoiding it. After he is in the league and doesn’t have people monitoring him so much in a couple of years…
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Feb 9, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Random drug testing
is consistently done by the NFL. Do you really think that they are EVER going to just walk by Jenkins locker when its time to pee in a cup? Seriously??!!
LOL!
IDK how the league chooses who to test, but is is prob more random than that…
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Feb 9, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I second that thought.
I am a David DeCastro wh0r3.
by Mighty Blue Star on Feb 8, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Draftek wins this one going away, I think.
Although Draft Site is not bad either. I can definitely get behind Mark Barron and Kelechi Osmele in the first two rounds. Just wish they’d put a CB in Rd 3.
Just in case anyone's interested . . .
I had put a 4th Round “Grab” on Josh Norman that made the simulation do a “hootchie-koo”. We corrected the glitch and here are the updated results (online now):
First 3 rounds are the same
4th Round – Josh Norman, CB – Coastal Carolina
5th Round – Ryan Van Bergen, DE – Michigan
6th Round – Jaymes Brooks, OG – Virginia Tech
However, I would be pleased with either result.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
Shoot, that's even better.
Josh Norman in the 4th would be great. Even without a FA CB I’d be feeling good about our secondary depth with that draft.
by TheBlueBaron on Feb 8, 2012 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Update completed
Not the least because I’m a big Josh Norman fan (especially in the 4th).
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 8, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
We got that extra 4th rounder
It can happen
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
Comp pick for Bowen.
It should be at the end of the 4th round, but you can’t trade it.
Yeah, we don't plug in the comp picks . . .
. . . until they become official.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
… and I’d wager the Cowboys comp pick will be a 6th rounder instead of a fourth rounder.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 9, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
Nice job Long Ball.
It isn’t even close this week. Your draft by a mile and I wouldn’t quit smiling for a month if we pulled that one off.
I would really like Josh Robinson in the 4th-5th.
Great bio. It looks like with some good coaching he’d be a solid CB.
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Feb 8, 2012 5:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
5'10" 180lbs and 4.45 in the 40
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
We have him at 6'1" . . .
. . . which means he’s probably around 5’11" or 6’0".
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
I've seen 2 draft sites
list him at 6’0 & going somewhere in the 3rd.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would like him if we double dipped on CB
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I didn't mean as a first day starter but who knows!
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Feb 8, 2012 8:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Josh Robinson is a good player
I wouldn’t mid us taking him in the 3rd/4th rd
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 8:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Has some good game tape at Central Florida
He’s a competitor and will fight for every ball.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
Kelechi Osmele
Jerry`s gone drool all over this guy when he sees him. Would be a real bargain in rd 2.
I hate Duke.
Now that I got that out of the way. I’m starting to come around a little bit on Janoris Jenkins. I lived in Gainesville Florida at the time he was a Gator and people were saying that he was a completely rotten apple. But I have a friend of mine that still lives there and is close to the UF program. He says apparently Jenkins really has turned his life around. Now i have no doubt that Jerry and JG will do there home work and get down to the truth. As always with guys like him, you have to make sure he’s turned it around for good. Not just long enough to get drafed.
I’m still on the DeCastro band wagon but the more think about it the less I think they will take him. I really think they are going to go after Nicks and land him. If they do I just don’t see them going after Castro as well. Not saying I wouldn’t. Just saying I don’t think they will.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Good contribution to the thread
really helps advance our knowledge of the draft.
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Feb 8, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, but I live 20 minutes north of NC
but regardless, Paul’s a great guy no matter who he roots for in collecge….
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Feb 8, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Paul is a great guy
A terrible brother but a great guy none the less.
Make sure you smell it before you eat it
where in Va do you live Dunk?
i live in Richmond va but i have a vending machine route in run in south boston, tidewater area.
i agree 100% about tarheel paul being a great guy
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
theres my tarheel brother
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Live in Norfolk
Work at Fort Eustis, or as we affectionately call it, Fort Useless…
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Feb 8, 2012 4:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah Virginians are so greatful
For what the Military provides for that state. It’s nice to know your appreciated!
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Feb 8, 2012 5:30 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
People around here are great
and not nearly as many Redskins fans as you might think…
Don't believe everything you think.
I'll be here tomorrow no matter what
Hope you’ll do the same.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Good
I look foward to it. Tarholes…….hahahahaha. Good one! Never heard that one before.
Soooooooooooo, how bout them cowboys?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
We NEED To Get BIGGER Up Front on both sides on the line.
Sign Carl Hicks.
Draft 1st Dontari Poe
2nd Kelechi Osemele
If can't land Nick we should try to draft DeCastro
I wouldn’t mind having Nicks but he’s going to break the bank.
My first choice is DeCastro but I would also take a look at Kirkpatrick. Just on size alone I wouldn’t touch Jenkins.
Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys
Jerry the GM…if we could only find a way to get rid of that guy…
Twitter: @silva918
yeah im not a fan of jenkins size alone ......
ive had it with small cb"s lol but then not many worthy 3-4 DE in this draft that id take at 14 .
redskins- bought by Snyder, OWNED by THE Cowboys !
Ryan- If only i could get that kind of aggression from my. Hey! You gonna eat that ?
Texans .....stand tall and REP !
Some draft sites
have Coples at 14 & Brockers is being touted very highly by some too. he’s raw but potential is very high on this player. also agree on no more midgets for CBs. CBs that are 6’0 & taller include guys like Kirkpatrick, Josh Norman, Pellerin & Marrow among others. Marrow is 6’3" if I’m not mistaken. Very raw but very athletic. Could be had around 6-7.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
How big was Deion.
If a guy can cover then he is worth it.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Then you need to watch out for Tarhole Nation
Careful I Dawg, You may not want what you call out
Make sure you smell it before you eat it
I smell something?
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Kind of
Smells kind of like a rat? Na never mind. It was nothing.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
hey
I took a bath last week, I don’t know what your talking about
Make sure you smell it before you eat it
What? Did I miss something?
Oooooooooooooooooo, you thought I was talking about Coach K!
Noooooooooooooo, I would never do that. You must be paranoid about it. I can understand though.
Just having fun with you. I LOVE UNC and Duke day.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
Me too L_Dawg
I was looking for you in some of todays post. Heart breaking loss. Rivers big timed us. Should of never been in that situation.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Feb 9, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Sideline Scholars has Dontari Poe as the 14th pick in the draft? I mostly see him in the 2nd round
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 8, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
not really that big of a stretch though
Philip Taylor went #20 last year….if Poe has a good Combine, I bet he is on the Cowboys Radar…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 8, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think its crazy either
I think I like Phil Taylor a little bit better than Poe, just because Poe is so tall and he may have leverage problems, but other than that I would say Poe is about the same type of prospect Taylor was and I loved Taylor
Haloti Ngata was a fairly high draft pick, so was Vince Wilfork
I would love to have a player like that on my defense and Poe could be a guy like that, can play the nose but also move out to the five tech
also if we ever move to a 4-3 in a couple of years, Poe would be a great 4-3 DT like Wilfork is
Poe is a real possibility for the Cowboys, it would just make perfect football sense allowing Poe to be drafted to play the nose and shifting Rat out to DE, also consider Rat is aging fast
I highly doubt the Cowboys draft Poe at 14, but I would give them a A draft grade if they did
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
+ 1
on the Taylor Love….
the funny thing is Chia, Draft Scout had Taylor as it 4th highest DT last year, and Poe as the 5th highest this year…. Both were in that 1-2 round range….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 8, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
but they had Dareus and Fairley listed ahead of Taylor last year, I forget the 3rd DT ahead of him
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
i was so glad dallas passed on Fairley
his motor is hot & cold way to often. whats the deal with Sill from Penn St? is he not a good fit for NT or will he be gone by 14th pick?
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
+1
JJ’s said they want to have a defense like the Ravens. If Poe kills it at the combine, he’s a darkhorse candidate for the Boys pick and definitely not a reach.
by TheBlueBaron on Feb 8, 2012 1:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
thats why I would applaud them for the move
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm liking the idea of
going for NT because it fixes two areas with one pick-up. You shore up the middle agains the run and you get Rat into space at DE where he can use his ability a little more effectively.
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Feb 8, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah thats why I like it myself
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Grrr
you loaded me on the Tyron train last year and now I’m being pulled onto the NT car. It’s not right!!
Don't believe everything you think.
NT isn't something I would usually address in the 1st
I would rather get a stud CB/pass rusher, but having a dominant force in the middle would benefit us
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
agreed, but the Ravens struck gold with Ngata
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by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
free agency is going to show the direction of the draft
if we resign or don’t resign Spencer is a huge factor
if we sign a G or C is a huge factor
if we sign a CB is a huge factor
what we do in free agency will show me what they will do in the draft
they constantly talk about filling holes/needs in free agency and then drafting the BPA in the draft, Jerry Jason Stephen always say the same thing, draft BPA
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are right
that FA will show the direction but that is some what of a two edge sword. Just say, for arguement sake,
Dallas signs Nicks. Now it’s draft day and Jenkins, Decastro, AND Kirkpatrick are there at #14. If DeCastro is your highest rated player do you take him? If so, you are essentially saying that you don’t believe in any of the current developing guards and you are giving a “pass” to the secondary. If Pro Football Focus is to be believed, that would be giving a pass to the worst performing unit on either side of the ball while taking BPA. The line would be great but how much better would the team be is the question?
I think if this situation happened...
Dallas will take Jenkins. His talent level alone has shot him back into the first round. If he had kept his nose clean in Florida he would be a top ten pick! As of right now he seems to have turned his life around and learned from his mistakes. Even our local scout (BirdDog) has said he would support the pick. I would have loved it if he would have stayed in the second and we were able to snag Dre in the first or vice versa. If my pipe dream came true I’d put Dre in at FS and Jenkins at #2 corner, MJ at #1 corner and Scandrick in the slot. I really think we’ll pick up Martin or Iloka for a FS this year. I’d prefer Martin. Then a G/C/NT in the third (unless Massiquio falls into the third). I just have this feeling that this draft/FA is going to bring us into a dynasty. (Hiccup) Moore Kool-aid please…hand kiep um comin!
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by mho on Feb 9, 2012 7:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
"Planet Theory" Not many guys that big that are athletic enough to play in the NFL.
As it stands right now we may be able to trade down and get an extra pick in the process. If the don’t address DT early, I like that kid Hicks to coach up, he’s pretty athletic with good feet for his size.
I really like Hicks too
the guy I like a lot is Kendall Reyes, five tech who is disruptive and Paul Pasqaloni coached here so I bet they contact him about Reyes
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed on Reyes
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 5:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ohh. I forgot about that!!!
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by mho on Feb 8, 2012 5:58 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ngata, Taylor and Wilfork all made All-American teams.
Dontari Poe made 2nd team All-Conference USA. Things that make you go hmmm……
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Okay I take that back. Wilfork only made All-Big East.
Still though, the fact that Conference USA coaches obviously don’t feel Poe to be that outstanding is worrisome to me.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I believe some players just don't light it up in college
they have upside and sometimes it takes some time
when I look at Poe, Brockers, Chandler Jones, guys like that, I see talent that has upside and can still be tapped into
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Those are the types of guys who fall in the bust category of the first rd
Call me crazy though, I actually think Poe will be good. He was a better splash play creater in college than Brockers.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 7:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would love Poe!
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by mho on Feb 8, 2012 8:54 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good point Chia . . .
Different players mature at different times . . . Bob Lilly was better in basketball (all-state) that football in high school . . . although he was All-American at TCU, he was not as good as he became with the Cowboys. Sometimes the player just has to grow into his body before the coordination catches up.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
really like Draftek and Walter Football
I love Chandler Jones and Janoris Jenkins, but I went with Draftek because they gave us a CB that is talented, a great C prospect, a pass rusher and a great guard
if that draft happened I would be thrilled
I really like janoris Jenkins and Chandler Jones for the first two picks in the Walter Football one too
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 12:51 PM CST reply actions
Chandler Jones is the Michael Brockers of pass rushers
all the talent in the world doesn’t make upnfor the fact they didn’t produce in college.
I would down grade the draft if either Brockers or Jones found their way on this team. I don’t care about the combine for these two. We know they have measurables. I care more about the fact one was injury prone and the other mustered only 2 sacks and 10 TFLS in 2 seasons of play.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow that Draftek mock is really good
pretty realistic too
I would be so happy if the real draft played out like that
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM CST reply actions
Draft Tek
Has the right players in the right slots. Add a G/C, FS, CB, OLB in free agency to plug the remaining holes and lookin good.
Pick 14 Mark Barron
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Barron picked over Kirkpatrick. Barron played a lot of different roles in Saban’s backfield and is the kind of guy who can matchup with TEs or play the deep middle.
I watched Kirkpatrick in the Championship
and I was like…“ehh” solid, but the whole honey-badger thing was a little much….
I think janoris Jenkins can be every bit as good as Honey Badger.
Me – It’s DeCastro by a landslide!!!!
huh?
What does Tyrone Mathieu have to do with it?
"That's Jason's decision, but he doesn't need to be making that one by himself." --Jerry Jones, 12-26-11
Sorry
I thought Dre was Honey Badger.
Mathieu was terrible in that game…much worse than Kirkpatrick…
He’s no Honey Badger…Honey Badger’s are ferocious and eat snakes…Tyrone Mathieu is a guy who got beat over and over again…..
Yep.
Honey Badger looked terrible. But so did the rest of the Tigers.
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I still think that Cowboys Hold Steady at the C position
you have Nagy, who started ahead of Konz at Wisconsin before his accident, Kowalski, who filled in very well in limited snaps, and Costa, the current incumbent who should improve with another Offseason
I just don’t see a rookie beating out any of them, unless they are a Tyron Smith type Talent, which you aren’t going to find in the second round more than likely.
Just My humble opinion
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by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 23, 2010 12:00 AM PST
I like Ben Jones
just like that kid a lot
if Nagy can play C, he might be better off there as opposed to G
I was watching the G from Wisconsin Kevin Zeitler take snaps at C and he looked pretty good there during the senior bowl
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed - Zeitler is a player
Just bring a draft card up to the commish that reads “Wisconsin O line” and see what happens…….
Worth a shot.
Why the disparity with Ben Jones, Chia?
I ask you cause you usually give me, us, the info on these kids. Draftek – 2nd round to us & Walter Football – 4th round…
by AmericasTeamm on Feb 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I would guess that walter is waaayyy wrong
they are the same site that had jenkins falling to us in the 2nd
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Indecision, may or may not be my problem
probably because of his position
centers usually don’t go high, so mocks are going to have him all over the place
but he is one of the better centers out there
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
If the Rimington Award Winner falls to the 4th round . . .
That is value personified . . . but then again . . .
If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle!
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
Ironman, don't know where you got your info . . .
But Nagy did not start ahead of Konz . . . here’s the chronology:
2008 – Nagy (So) backed up Kraig Urbik (Sr) at RG
2009 – Nagy (Jr) started at RG, backed up by Kevin Zeitler (Fr)
Peter Konz (Fr) backed up Josh Oglesby (So) at RT
John Moffitt (Jr) was starting center, backed up by Jake Current (So)
2010 – Nagy (Sr) was backing up Kevin Zeitler (So) at RG
Peter Konz (So) was starting center
John Moffitt (Sr) moved to LG
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
thank you
because I have been wondering about that myself
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
he's another one who can play C
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
our OL would be awesome then
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I stand corrected then Long Ball
I was under the impression that Nagy was the starting Center until he got into his moped “incident”…..which is when Wisconsin put Konz in and never looked back….
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
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by I am Ironman!!! on Feb 8, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
I read that also, and repeated it.
That Nagy was the starting C there until his accident.
Actually, I believe
I’ve read where Nagy was the starting C for Wisconsin until his injury. Don’t believe he played a snap at C, but was penciled in before season started. Believe I read that in an interview w/ HC. I was doing research on whether Nagy could be a center & found that interview somewhere. I’ll see if I can find that link & post it.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Nagy was the starting center @ Wisconsin
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Read all the article
“When center Peter Konz sprained his ankle in the 31-30 win against Iowa on Oct. 23, Nagy filled in. Konz re-injured the ankle against Purdue, paving the way for Nagy to make his first start at center in Wisconsin’s 83-20 victory over Indiana.”
Nagy was backing up the guard position (after the moped accident) and then got to play against Iowa and started against Indiana, filling in for injured STARTER Peter Konz. Nagy was not the starting center ahead of Konz.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
C will probably be filled by a FA.
With Killer K or Nagy getting a couple of years to develop.
Carl Nicks + a C would probably remove the need to draft an early round lineman. Which is good, because we’d need to carpet bomb the defense to get them up to snuff. Poe + Gilmore and another CB or OLB would be a nice start.
by TheBlueBaron on Feb 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just like Chia
I’m done with Costa
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by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 3:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
if he is the starter next year
I will have lost a lot of faith in the front office
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
I did that as soon as they drafted Shante Carver. Haven't trusted them since.
I will have lost a lot of faith in the front office
Regarding Poe. Funny how in August no one wanted a nt because Rat was so great. Now people are on board with it. Chia I don’t know how people couldn’t see this coming a mile away . Too many fans get wrapped up in their favorite players and don’t want to admit that they are beginning to decline. It doesn’t even have to be Poe. Just get a big nt that can collapse the pocket.
Idiot was the general opinion I recieved most. LOL
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 8, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
I've always been backing you on this one Mensa.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
That's true PF. There were about 5 of us. LOL
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 8, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
I've called for a true NT for nearly 2 years...
was laughed at when I suggested our pro bowl NT be moved to DE. I love Rat, but he has steadily been ineffective for nearly two years. Sure, he plays great at times, but has disappeared especially late in the season. Now on the other side of 30 I think it would benefit his career by being moved. Not saying he can’t play NT on passing downs, but his time as a 3 down NT is over.
I have been considering it for a while now
I just never really touch on the topic because its too touchy like you said
no, it doesn’t even have to be Poe it can be a later pick, even a Josh Chapman or Nicolas Jean Baptiste would be kosher
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
You haven't yet?
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Braodus insists the Cowboys will not draft Jenkins in the first round
Too short and too many potential off the field issues.
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the thing about Broaddus
is he keeps saying what they won’t do, (draft Jenkins), but he never says what they will do or what they are leaning towards
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think they are leaning towards Upshaw
thats what I get from Broaddus when he raves about Upshaw, I just think he doesnt want to put it out there that the Cowboys really like him
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
There is nothing to like about Upshaw
-He’s not athletic
-He’s short
-He’s got short arms
-He lacks explosion
He’s not an upgrade over Spencer. Starting day 3 of the Senior Bowl practices, he was getting absolutely dominated by the oline. Cordy Glenn flat out ruined him just standing him up, and using Upshaw’s lack of speed and his short arms against him.
In the Senior Bowl itself, Upshaw merely got a coverage sack, which Anthony Spencer is good at doing.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
than why he is he being talked about as a top 15-20 pick?
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Because he played at Bama
If this kid didn’t play in the SEC he’d be considered as a 2nd round pick.
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by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you are putting way too much stock in a what amounts to a light scrimmage for most of these players.
upshaw did much better in the practices than you are giving him credit.
he is very athletic and explosive and has some of the best hands of OLBs in the draft. this isnt just a fan saying these things, these are geral consensus feelings from draft experts and scouts with first hand knowledge.
i want to see the film you broke down to give you these opinions. i want to see the notes you took at live practices to gauge his abilities. show me your work.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 8, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
i understand upshaw's limitations, and i dont want to draft him at 14.
but what he is saying is just flat wrong.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 8, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Flat Wrong
Mike Mayock is saying the same things I am. Mayock was saying he needs to be a player whose moved around. He spent the entire Senior Bowl point out these limitations.
During the practices, Mayock pointed out how Cordy Glenn (a RT/G) was beating Upshaw (while lined up as a LT).
Mayock pointed out his lack of explosion; his lack of height; his short arms.
Are trying to tell me that Upshaw is taller than 6’1; Weighs less than 278; has long arms and has explosion of the ball?
Upshaw DOESN’T fit the body type of OLBs that Dallas drafts.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 4:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
in the 5 minutes it took me to google "upshaw draft profile":
CBS Sports
Scouts will have to determine where exactly Upshaw fits in an NFL scheme. Upshaw’s role in this defense is essentially an edge rusher, so the name jack linebacker is a bit of a misnomer. His size, power and tackling skills will draw strong looks from 3-4 teams needing help at both inside and outside linebacker.
Pass rush: One of his best traits. Possesses good burst off the snap and as effective a swim move as you’ll see in college football. Adept at whipping either arm over the head of the blocker and twisting his body around his opponent to gain clearance with remarkable efficiency. Heavy, active hands which he uses to bat away the tackle’s initial punch. Good lateral agility to elude and possesses good straight-line speed for the position. Has a legitimate burst to close on the quarterback and arrives with explosion, creating potential fumble opportunities.
NFL Draft Geek
•Very strong upper and lower body, does not get moved off the line
•Relentless, violent hand use. Strong hand punch
•Great quickness and hand placement on pass rushing moves
•Plays with fantastic pad level and leverage
•Very good against the run. Can hold up his blocker, and set the edge
•Can get off blocks. Uses his hands to disengage, and able to effectively stack and shed to tackle the ball carrier
•Non-stop motor. Gives 100% every play
•Schematic versatility. Experienced at 3-4 OLB, but could play in a 4-3 as well
•Great discipline, positioning, and instincts
Mayock has him as the #1 LB in the draft
Linebacker
1. Courtney Upshaw – Alabama
2. Luke Kuechly – Boston College
3. Dont’a Hightower – Alabama
4. Zach Brown – North Carolina
5. Vontaze Burfict – Arizona State
soo……
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 8, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
I know what Draft Geek and CBS say, and I know where Mayock has him ranked
I’m telling you what Mayock said. Did you watch the Senior Bowl practices all week? Did you watch the Senior Bowl?
If you watched those you’d have heard the same comments unless you had the volume low.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 4:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
NFP
is saying similar things about Upshaw. He’s got some skills but blemishes too. I wonder why CBSSports & Draft Geek don’t list his negatives like NFP.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=38714
Wait a minute…. Draft Geek does have negatives on Upshaw. I guess they got lost somewhere. http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/courtneyupshaw.html
Cons
came of it though
* Not explosive. Does not get a great jump off the line
* Does not posses elite speed
* Bit undersized at only 6-2
* Stiff hips, not fluid in coverage
* Arrested in ’09 for misdemeanor domestic violence. Nothing
Somehow this was omitted from CBSSports:
Upshaw may not possess the agility and speed necessary to remain at linebacker for clubs operating out of a four-man front, however.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you for the backup sir
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 10:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and that is still not:
-He’s not athletic
-He’s short
-He’s got short arms
-He lacks explosion
if he really was any combination of those things, he wouldnt even be drafted. now, im not sticking up for him as a cowboys draft candidate at 14, im sticking up for upshaw as an NFL prospect. the fact is, even mayock, your main evidence of your claims, lists him as the best LB in the draft. until you show me any concrete evidence of him saying otherwise since the first of january, im not going to believe anything you say. especially since you probably didnt watch any of his games outside of the 2 LSU games (and even then you probably didnt care).
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 9, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Keep sticking up for your Tide player.
1) I watched 5 games besides the 2 LSU games
2) I watched the NFL Network’s coverage of the Senior Bowl: every practice I specifically recorded and watched them. Mayock made it point to say that if a 34 team subscribes to the Bill Parcells school of drafting OLBs, Upshaw (as well as Melvin Ingram) may not be good fits for those teams because he’s not tall, lean, with long arms, as he’s more of a “tweaner.” Mayock said “Upshaw lacks the elite get off (explosion).” He pointed out that Ingram was the more explosive player.
3) During the Senior Bowl (the actual game) Mike Mayock made it a point highlight Upshaw’s lack of explosion off the line. Did you watch the game? He was getting manhandled by the OTs. The one sack that Upshaw recorded, Mayock specifically said “don’t get excited ‘Bama fans, that was a coverage sack, the QB should’ve thrown the ball away or dumped it off for a check down, Upshaw didn’t win his battle.”
However, Mayock does like him. The reason he ranks him as the best OLB is Upshaw played 34 OLB at Bama. Nick Perry, Melvin Ingram, and Vinny Curry played 43 DE, so they were ranked at the DE positions. However, those guys will play 34 OLB if they get drafted by 34 team, just like Upshaw would play 43 DE if drafted by a 43 team.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
again, since when does the senior bowl become the main factor for prospects?
i understand upshaws limitiations – specifically his being an inch shorter than ideal prospects, and his lacking elite speed (hence his desire to shed some pounds). but my main issue is with what you said at the beginning. you were quite over the top with the criticism, essentially pegging him as a guy who doesnt deserve to be drafted. thats just not true.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 9, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Way to mischaracterize what I'm saying
I like Melvin Ingram, Dre Kirkpatrick, Mark Barron, Janoris Jenkins (who played in the SEC before 2011), Maurice Claiborne. My only thing is, just cause a guy played in the SEC doesn’t mean he’s a world beater. I’m not a fan of Michael Brockers and Courtney Upshaw.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 4:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i dont think anyone is really calling upshaw a world beater.
but contextually – with other OLBs in this draft class – upshaw is one of the better prospects out there.
im with you on brockers, tho.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 8, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
When it comes to the 34 OLB prospects
The guys who are 6’3 245-260ish are the guys Dallas will look at: The DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Von Miller, Aldon Smith height weight guys. With that being said, here are the guys they’ll look at the following guys in the first three rounds:
1) Nick Perry; 2) Whitney Mercilus; 3) Vinny Curry; 4) Chandler Jones; 5) Jonathin Massaquoi; 6) Bruce Irvin
Of those guys, based off their production, I’d rank them as Massaquoi, Curry, Irvin, Mercilus, and Perry.
When it comes to Ingram and Upshaw, I believe the Cowboys like Ingram over Upshaw. Ingram is the more explosive player, and was better at creating splash plays.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 4:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well
Upshaw is a inch smaller, 6’2 260 something
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Upshaw is 6'2 273
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 8:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
upshaw has also been pretty public about trying to shed 15-20lbs.
said it numerous times during and after the senior bowl.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
any ideas
why he is so adamant about losing weight?
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 9, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
so he can be faster?
said he wants his playing weight to be around 260-265.
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 9, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
You have been posting for weeks the same thing.
How the SEC D guys are overrated because SEC O’s suck and how they wouldn’t look good against your favorite conference’s if they played them. Here are some quotes from you.
6) Courtney Upshaw WILL NOT be drafted by the Boys. He’s short, fat, has short arms, and lacks any explosion. He’s undersized for 43DE and slow for 34OLB. I’ll pass. I don’t care about the fact he achieved the unimpressive feat of racking up high TFL #s against garbage option QBs in the SEC or on running plays.
He put up his neat TFL #s against garbage offenses in the SEC (outside of say Arkansas and Georgia, the QBs and Olines are absolute dog crap in talent).
I said making plays against a garbage Jordan Jefferson & other similar SEC QBs is not enough to take Courtney Upshaw.
Perry is more athletic and more productive
He actually played against better offenses than what you see from the SEC. The SEC QBs and Olines might as well play in the special olympics.
I think SEC defensive players get overrated because they can put their numbers up against teams who are offensively challenged. If I take an SEC kid he better be the athletic package otherwise I’m going to consider the non-sec guy with better stats and better measurables.
I'm specifically talking about Upshaw
People keep mentioning his TFLs. Great he can tackle RBs and Running QBs for losses on running plays. But I’m not impressed with Upshaw as a pass rusher.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 6:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
he is short and fat
Upshaw is not fat
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
What do you call someone whose stocky?
You call them fat.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
He would be cheaper than Spencer.
Ro I didn’t realize you had such an SEC bias.
Too bad, they rule…..
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by football mensa on Feb 8, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I don't hate the SEC
I just don’t blindly think every top rated prospect from the SEC is the next best thing.
That doesn’t mean I discredit every SEC player.
Can’t I be against taking Brockers and Upshaw without being labeled an SEC hater?
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 5:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You constantly jeer the SEC, you even laughed at the Senior Bowl. Your only comment was how the SEC guys sucked.
You continually put down the SEC and say how your favorite conferences are better, etc. So yeah, you are considered a SEC hater.
I'm also
The same person who would be happy if took:
1) Melvin Ingram: Initially against the pick, been fine with it for a few weeks now.
2) Dre Kirkpatrick
3) Morris Claibourne-I just don’t see him falling.
4) Janoris Jenkins-used to play in the SEC
5) Mark Barron-SS from Alabama
6) Tramain Thomas-FS from Arkansas
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 5:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Upshaw will have a better NFL career than Spencer
I like Upshaw, I don’t love him but I don’t hate him either
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I won't gamble on that assertion with the 14th pick
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
14th is too high for Upshaw
but wouldn’t mind so much in the 20s. I do believe that Poe, Ta’amu, Coples, Brockers, Reyes would help our pass rush more than Upshaw. Massive NT would help us collapse the middle so QBs like Eli can’t just step up & complete passes w/ little regard to Ware , Spencer or Rat. The 14th pick has to be as close as a no-miss as possible.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
thank you
While I disagree about Brockers as well, I do agree we need the 14th to be as close to can’t miss as possible.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
From NFP about Brockers
he is very raw, but could be special after some seasoning. Sounds like a Michael Irvin in a 34DE’s body. RKG all the way. Now imagine this guy as a DE w/ Poe or Ta’amu as NT.
Doesn’t have a ton of experience playing inside either. Is a redshirt sophomore who started only one year at the position and is still raw. However, he has displayed the willingness to put on the weight off the field and keep himself in good shape. Plus, he’s an instinctive kid who finds the football. That tells me he puts in the work, has a passion for the game and will continue to get better.
Impression: He might be a little raw and could have used some more work at the college level. However, he’s an NFL talent with “plus” upside but can also come in and play vs. the run at a high level right away. Should get looks at both the three and five-technique spots and in my mind has the ability to become one of the better defensive lineman in the NFL down the line.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
This eases my concern about him.
Plus, he’s an instinctive kid who finds the football. That tells me he puts in the work, has a passion for the game and will continue to get better
I either didn’t see anyone writing that or notice anyone writing that about the kid until today.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yeah
I was really impressed w/ that part. NFP is really rating him highly. In fact, there’s a breakdown of the Top 10 Junior prospects. Only Luck, Clairborne, Richardson, & DeCastro grade higher than Brockers & that’s as a redshirt sophomore.
He is actually graded higher than Kalil, RG3 & Blackmon. Very impressive indeed. Line him up opposite Ware & next to Spencer & WATCH OUT! Add a dash of Poe or Ta’amu @ NT & oh my!
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 9, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
I tried to tell u Ro but u wouldn't listen.
You thought it was all LSU bias. I am as honest about LSU as I am about Dallas. Players n coaches a like.
For the record I hate Jordan Jefferson and I can’t wait till he starts his career bagging groceries. He is the one person I hate more than Jerry.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 9, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
That's good to know
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I've read the same thing about Upshaw
some have gone as far as labeling him Spencer 2.0. That does not instill much confidence that Upshaw will be an improvement. I believe Poe, Ta’amu, Brockers, Coples would be better choices. If you look up DE/OLB Malik Jackson’s reviews, he may actually be a better value than Upshaw.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
I really like the following 34 DL prospects
First Rd: Coples,
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
damnit Iphone
first rd: Coples, Poe
later rounds: Reyes, Crick, Ta’amu, Jackson
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 10:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to make a prediction now.
I’m going to go out on a limb. Put my reputation on the line. Make it a matter of public record.
The Cowboys are not going to draft Andrew Luck.
There.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
hahahahaha that’s a good prediction
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I really like Broaddus a lot too
but he is really frustrating to listen to right now
he says what the Cowboys won’t do because he has Valley Ranch connections, but he isn’t saying what they will do and what he is hearing
but the way he was talking about Upshaw the other day on the radio made it sound like he heard the Cowboys really like him
he said, the secondary needs to be fixed but they HAVE to get that pass rush going
I really want our pass rush to improve and I would not mind drafting Upshaw at all
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by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
i really like Upshaw & he's a lot better then people have give him credit for
i think Ingrams ceiling is a lot lower then Upshaws & i’m a believer that the pass rush needs to be fixed more then the secondary.
theres going to be talented Cbs that can help this season in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds. i also think the safety class is better then people have given credit. there might not be a Ed Reed sitting there for the picking but theres a lot of quality safties in this draft.
Every team has a great gameplan until they get Punched in the Mouth. Sean Lee is a welcomed addition at ILB & Kegabear's prediction about Spencer looks spot on so far.
UPSHAW!
…Consider me a fan. A big fan.
And Rophuri on your points about him Wes Bunting was saying that too…until he saw him at the Senior Bowl.
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Courtney Upshaw sucked in the Senior Bowl
1 coverage sack. He was getting dominated by the North’s Oline.
If you actually watchrf the game, then you would have noticed Vinny Curry as the stand out pass rusher-the guy who presently has a borderline 2nd rd grade.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 7:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i forgot that the senior bowl has become the only way to value a prospect
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
No it's not. You also have to look at a player's production
I’m reposting a link to OCC’s article on finding playmaking OLBs and tell me where you’d rank Courtney Upshaw amongst this year’s group.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
The scouts
usually leave before the game.
Upshaw sets the edge, can rush the passer, and be decent against the run.
Did you watch him in the “Title” game?
I like Curry and Ingram too, but not Irvin. Pass rusher needs to be the biggest focus for the Boys within the first two rounds, IMO…
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I know the scouts leave before the Game
However, the Scouts, and the talent evaluators do watch the game.
Yes I watched the Title game, Jordan Jefferson and the rest of the LSU offense is nothing to write home about. WR Reuben Randel and TE Deangelo Peterson are the only players from the Tigers’ offense ranked in CBS Sports 2012 NFL Draft Top 150 in prospect rankings (Randel #56, Peterson #133).
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Upshaw was made to look good because of the Bama d line.
Don’t kid yourself. Before he got hurt Hightower was the man.
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by football mensa on Feb 9, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
so
assuming all the DE/OLB/NT guys are there at 14, which one helps improve the Cowboys pass rush the most?
An edge rusher at linebacker? A DE who can bull-rush a la Justin Smith? Or a big space-eating NT who shifts Ratliff over?
so montrae holland is the key
I think I get the code here
DE
Coples @14 & Poe/Ta’mu in 2nd rd. Rat moves over to DE w/ Coples as other DE & Hatcher is backup to both in 3 man set & DT in 4-man set.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
If the stars align properly...
That would be a nice setup, and since we’re still just mocking, I would take this option over DeCastro.
That would really change the look of our front 7.
I would be ecstatic.
Coples / Ta’amu / Ratliff
Butler / Carter / Lee / Ware
Coples is about the only option that I would take over DeCastro assuming both are there @ #14.
by StarloverinWNC on Feb 9, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I think after the Combine Poe will be a top 15 pick!
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by mho on Feb 9, 2012 8:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I still feel that if they are going to fix the passrush
They need Poe! An athletic 350lbs lineman who “easily” benched 400 lbs and doesn’t know his max! Slide Rat to LDE, and resign Spencer to a fair contract (no more than 5 Mil) and I think this pass rush would be scary! Oh and drop Spears he is a fragon bust!
Heres what would be needed to block our front 4
Ware- 2 blockers
Rat- 2 blockers
Poe- 2 blockers
Rat- 1 blocker
I don’t know any team that can put 7 on a line. Where’s my Kool-aid!
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by mho on Feb 9, 2012 8:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
LOL! Enjoyed the Kool-Aid bit!
Definitely feel we need to fix the pass run & begins w/ the DL. I don’t believe Poe will go that high & actually hope he doesn’t. Would rather see us take Brockers, Coples or DeCastro & then Poe in the 2nd. Imagine this:
Ware
Rat Carter
Poe
Brockers Lee
Spencer
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 10, 2012 6:40 AM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming you are proposing that they clone Rat since you have him playing both DE positions.
My one question, if you are going to clone a player, why not Ware?
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Watch out what you say about bold predictions. What if videos surface the week before the draft of Andrew Luck dressed like Hitler and burning an American flag at a frat party while smoking a joint and having sex with his grandmother? He could slip past the first 13 picks and the Cowboys might decide to stash him behind Romo for 3 or 4 years until the furor (or Fuhrer) dies down. Then where will you be? Luck would have to publicly apologize for ruining O.C.C.‘s reputation on BTB before you could return from the shadows. Just sayin’………
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by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Call me crazy
But I think that might disqualify Luck from RKG status.
by BC3 on Feb 8, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ok BC3
You’re crazy.
(LOL! Your response cracked me up!)
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by Tennessee_Jed on Feb 8, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Braoddus is a tool.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 8, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
If DeCatro is there take him
There’s roughly 7 to 10 “blue chip” players in the first round of the draft each year, that is multiple probowl All-Pro type players. While DeCastro is a guard and conventional wisdom is you don’t take guards that high in the draft DeCastro has a better chance of being a dominate blue chip type player then any of the DB’s who will be available to the Cowboys at the 14th pick. I just don’t see the wisdom of taking some undersized character risk DB in the first round simply because we have a need.
DeCastro
I agree the more I read scout reports on him the more enamored, I am he is being talked about as a potential Pro Bowler within a few seasons of being drafted. I think we can still get a starting CB in round 2.
I could go for that too
as long as they help the secondary and maybe the NT position along the way….
Don't believe everything you think.
If DeCastro is there, we must take him. It's a no brainer.
BPA all the way. Now, if they don’t go BPA, then………………..
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Go safe
As I’ve said before I don’t think there’s any Patrick Peterson or Darrelle Revis type guys in this years draft and if there are I doubt they’ll last to the 14th pick. Besides if you look at the vast majority of the top defenses in the NFL most don’t have an elite player at corner, they’re elite mostly because they get to the QB better than other defenses. While the draft is a crap shoot DeCastro is probably about as safe as you’re going to get to, not to mention he fills a glaring hole
Anyone who says this
the Cowboys aren’t the type of franchise that pays much attention to those types of concerns to begin with
Hasn’t been paying attention and can’t be taken seriously when it comes to understanding what the organization thinks.
Don't believe everything you think.
Draft Dre and a CB in Round 2?
I like the draft of Dre in the first round, in part because of the depth of quality secondary talent in this draft. Some scouts are projecting Dre as a safety for his size and hitting ability. The Cowboys could take advantage of the DB depth if there is still a quality corner available in round 2 (such as Gilmore, Dennard, or Minnifield) and significantly upgrade their secondary through a provision that is deep with quality players in this draft.
Dennard will play safety in the pros.
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CB or G???
So if it comes down to either Dre/Janoris or Decastro, for pick #14, who would everyone here take? I am thrilled about picking a corner, (probably Jenkins over Kilpatrick), but at the same time, I have SERIOUS doubts about the interior of our O-line. I need someone else’s opinion on if I am delusional when I remember the MULTITUDE of times, I saw good ole Tony running for his life like an Obese person who suddenly found themselves in a Cannibalistic tribe, somewhere on the outskirts of civilization????
DeCastro
10 years of greatness.
At that pick – you reach for greatness….
Heard from numerous sources – Best Guard since Steve Hutchinson….
if he’s there I agree… I believe the 2000 Ravens went from good defense to greatest defense ever largely by drafting Jamal Lewis, a reliable 4.1 yard a carry big back that could control the clock. DeCastro would be a similar investment in clock management
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by AustonianAggie on Feb 8, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, DeCastro if he's there.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Don't think it will happen, but that's a tough decision. Draft the next Peppers or the next Hutchiinson.
I still think DeCastro is the safer pick though.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Coples.
A pass top rusher is a lot harder to find than a top G.
Agreed
I’d go w/ Coples over DeCastro too as OL is deep in this draft whereas 34DEs are not.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
DeCastro it is for me then
Holland is serviceable, but I think Kosier is done personally and it is time to move on. I won’t even mention Dockery or the combo of Nagy, Costa, Arkin and killa Kowalski. I personally think Killa K, should be given a serious look at for the Center position.
Nagy & Arkin
were developmental players. they should improve w/ a full off-season of weight training. Kowalski will be serviceable as G/C backup. Costa could also backup G/C w/ a bit more weight training.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
CB v OG
There is a huge drop off after DeCastro and the other top interior O/L taken by the time we pick again in the 2nd. With the depth at CB this year we can still pick up 2 quality CB in rounds 2-3 and both could be potential starters. After DeCastro, Kontz & Osemele your looking at Washington, Glenn, & Zeitler, as poss 2nd round selections.
Where as at CB there is Minnifield, Judie, Hayward & Gilmore that could be there in the 2nd and the likes of Hosley and Robinson as potential 3rd rounders
If you believe
the Cowboys are 2-3 years away, then you can take all of the JAG corners you want. If you believe they can win now, you sign Carl Nicks and you get Janoris Jenkins if he is there at #14. People seem to forget this kid was a top 10 prospect before his troubles and played well in the Senior Bowl. Not to mention his play during his time in the SEC. Ask yourself who gets paid more money CBs or OGs? There you have it.
No CB in first round!!
I believe this class is full of talent at CB, so i´m not buying drafting one in the first round. Both Superbowl teams had a hideous secondary play and they made it to the big game. Football is won in the trenches now, and the cowboys have shown they are unable to pressure the opposing QB in a constant basis.
We shouldn´t forget that a CB can cover only half of the field, the teams with “shutdown” corners didn´t even made it to the playoffs (Revis, Asomugha)
For what Chad Reuter says about Courtney Upshaw, he looks like a Spencer clone.
I believe we should fine a player like JJ Watt or Calais Campbell in round 1, someone who can pressure in the 3-4 and can help Ratliff and Spencer (yeah I would re sign him for the right price) or a solid NT so Rat is able to spare constant double teams.
We may already have the NT in our roster (Brent) so DE/DT is my choice, and if there is no solid prospect and DeCastro is there, TAKE HIM.
CB or Safety in round 2
Josh Brent
I have been on the Josh Brent idea for awhile now, but it just doesn’t seem like the coaching staff shares our potential giddiness at the thought of Brent manning the Nose. I think I read somewhere that he was asked to bulk up, maybe in preparation to start??? We can only hope, he is already on the roster, so we wouldn’t have to draft a NT or try to pick one up in FA, so that saves us money, we can spend elsewhere.
I like the idea...
It’d be great if he could but I’d still like some competition for him. Even in Dontari Poe was drafted I don’t think he should be the only NT. I’d rotate them when possible but if I were to think Brent is that capable next season I’d probably look more into drafting a guy like Ta’amu later in the draft or going for Soliai in FA because like I said above I’d rather have at least 2. Brent is a decent size NT but I don’t think he’ll collapse the pocket at his size. If he could bulk up that’d be great and make NT less of a need but definitely something to acquire another massive talent for (somewhere in the offseason).
I’m wish ya’ll and don’t dismiss Brent but I won’t let him just have to spot either…
God 1st, Family Always & Dallas Cowboys 4 Life!!!!!
I believe, we fans are the only ones who think Ratliff should be moved and get another NT. I firmly think Rat would be an upgrade over any of ours DE, can´t believe we resign Spears, we need to get to the QB, and several players showed that is possible for a DE playing the 3-4 defense to do it. So yes we should adress our lines and Soliai in free agency or a solid NT in the draft is a possibility
I agree to an extent, but FA will determine that. We need more than 1 CB.
The first pick should be BPA, period.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
BPA
yeah BPA is the way to go, generally drafting like that is harder to miss, my point is two players in the same range, i´d go OL or DL, you may find better value for secondary in later rounds. I still think that nowadays in this passing league you need to get Eli, Vick and Peyton (Readskins?) to the ground while protecting Tony
I can't really comment on any mock drafts
until I’ve seen what teams have done in FA. At this time of the year prior to the Combine and FA, mock drafts really are useless exercises of one’s time unless they’re getting paid to do it.
That being said, I have a hard time believing that Garrett will draft any prospect with character issues such as Jenkins or Kirkpatrick.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 8, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
They are fun, but mean nothing. I doubt that our staff has even come close to finishing their gradings of the prospects.
They aren’t yet sure who they’ll target.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
yeah
the board isn’t close to being done yet
combine effects that
"With the 14th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.........The Dallas Cowboys select..............Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina"
My card has been sent in
by Archie Barberio on Feb 8, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
I am a fan of Drafttek the most.
I think they went for quality coachable guys late while addressing needs. However, I do like chandler jones in the second, but the second rated C in the second is a good deal!
I think Jer…Stephen and Jason will sign-
G- C. Nicks (loaded to fill most of his contract in 2014 when the new TV deals kick in) or someone of less caliber but no leer than a midlvl guy.
WR- L. Robinson
C- Aged Pro-bowl Vet
OLB- A. Spencer
CB- Mid lvl starter (i.e. T. Thomas)
FS- M. Griffin (see Nicks contract structure).
I don’t think this team is as far away as we think. Add the drat to those FA and we could easily make a run at the SB.
"Fear the Star" -A WISE Man!
by mho on Feb 8, 2012 5:12 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
TDTEXAS Mock Draft 2012
Hello everyone, lurking & reading for approx 4-5 years. Finally decided to join .I would like to see us get Carl Nicks OG or Myers OC in free agency first and a veteran CB. Then draft the following. What do you think?
1. Qunton Coples DE
2. Chase Minnifield CB
3.Jonathan Massaquoi OLB
4. Josh Norman CB
5. Corey Mosley S
6.Evan Rodriguez FB
by TDTEXAS on Feb 8, 2012 5:35 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I doubt Coples will be there. He'd be great though. I'm a firm believer in making the OL elite to protect Tony. An elite OL will mean an elite O.
This draft should be heavily weighted towards defense, however, without Tony we won’t win Diddly. I do not want to see Tony running for his life or on IR.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
On my wish list
I have: Coples, Minnifield, Norman & Rodriguez, but Rodriquez my not be drafted at all & be a UDFA.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome to the blog, TDT
If those picks are your introductory presents, you’re wqelcome to stay for a long time.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 9, 2012 2:04 AM CST up reply actions
Welcome!
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Feb 10, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
We fail to protect Tony and we go nowhere.
The Pats blew that game more than the Gmen beating them. Welker, Branch makes those catches and the Pats win. If Gronk were healthy, no INT of Brady. The only team that I can honestly remember winning the SB solely with D and I literally mean Solely was the Ravens. The Gmen’s O is pretty good. Remember if you can’t score points you don’t make the playoffs. Once you’re in at least you have a chance. Our D should be a lot better next year because of this draft, but to fail to correct the deficiencies of the OL subjects Tony potentially to the onslaught he’s had to dodge for the last 2 years. That cannot be allowed to continue. IN TONY WE TRUST. Without Romo we go nowhere. Protect and serve TONY ROMO!!!!!!!
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by pfloyd1 on Feb 8, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Then people
should be quiet about the salary cap and sign Carl Nicks at all costs. Period. I don’t think we can win “solely with D” but if you sign Nicks, you can fix the secondary with one draft. Remember, Mike Jenkins is coming off shoulder surgery and his contract expires in 2013. You can’t have too many good corners. If you have good corners, you can “scheme” your pass rush. That is why Rob Ryan will follow his brother’s plan and go secondary in this draft.
Is the fanpost section messed up for anyone else?
All I am seeing is the rec section – I am using chrome
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
Big, mine is working fine.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
Is anyone else not that high on Kirkpatrick?
I just don’t think this guy lasts at CB. From what I’ve seen of him I think he’ll move to FS rather quickly. He seems to be a lot similar to Antrel Rolle.
Put me in the "not that high on Kirkpatrick" boat.
President of the David DeCastro fan club.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 8, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sold on Dre. He is not a cover guy. His best assets to me are height, 6'3"
and his tackling/hitting ability. Jenkins has a much better skill set and his only physical downside is his height 5’10". I can live with either one, but that’s why I favor DeCastro, who really has no downside for a guard.
To put it simply, I don’t see that great a distinction between Dre and a number of CBs, who will be available in the second round. So, the question I ask myself is, would I use the 14th pick in the draft on Dre or the 45th pick on CB 1-4. DeCastro is clearly superior to the other Interior OL in this draft, although there are other Int OL I’d love to have.
Now the only one that would make me pause is Coples, but I doubt that he’ll be there. Coples could be another Peppers, but he is more of a risk than Peppers. I believe that while he could be a truly dominant player, he’s more of a risk than DeCastro as well.
Wish you were here and comfortably numb.
5% More - Start of Season
Whatever the Cowboys do, look at it as if it only produces 5% more on offense and 5% improvement in defense. Nothing radical is really going to change but can they get a different combination and new blood to get a slight better yield. I went back and looked at opening day lineup against the Jets. On offense, no Laurent Robinson and only a couple touches of Demarco Murray. Now add 1 new lineman (lets say Decastro or Nicks) and all of a sudden you have tto argue that is better than the starting group this year.
Now do defense. No Bruce Carter, at all. If he can play that replaces Brooking. Lets keep Spencer if the going rate is reasonable. Can we all agree any combination is better without Alan Ball and Terrance Newman?) So , draft Jenkins or Kirpartickk or the next best in the 2nd round if the 1st pick is OG. Find one other starter or major contributor to the DL and CB iin the draft or free agency. Again you’ve added 3 new contributors to the opening day rotation. And those 3 changes in the whole scheme are tremendous when looking at the groups total production.
A lot will change between now and draft time
One of my favorite things to do this time of year is to look at mock drafts, but I realize how inaccurate these things are this time of year. We still have the combine and free agency which will shake a lot of things up. There will be some physical freaks of nature who perform well at the combine and shoot up the boards, and there will be guys we are talking about getting drafted in round one who will fall to round 2 in the draft. It happens every year. Just think back to last year at this time. Tyron Smith wasn’t even thought of as being a first round pick at this time last year. A lot of people were mocking us taking him in round 2, and people called him a project. I was on the Tron bandwagon early last year, and I even had people telling me that he was going to be Bruce Campbell 2.0. At this point last year, I think people thought we would be extremely lucky if Prince fell all the way to us at 9, and we thought maybe even Cam Newton would fall to us. A lot of people had Nick Fairley going number 1 overall. My point is that a lot will change before now and the draft, but it is still really fun to look at all these mocks.
yeah in the 2nd round or something crazy haha
"Obviously, I felt like if I ran into my lineman there it was going to help the play" ~Tony Romo
I wish we had gotten Bruce Campbell over AOA
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Agree 100 %
And I love to keep up with the mocks, but until after the combine they are extremely inaccurate
http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/senio-kelemete-56/
09/26/2011 (Audibles):
NFL evaluator: “The (guard) I like is (Washington’s) Senio Kelemete. He plays out of position. He’s got to move inside. He’s still raw, but he has great feet. He can shuffle and mirror. He’s very good working in space. He’d be a great fit for what Mike Shanahan does.”
could get this guy in the third or fourth
Poor man’s Mike Iupati
It depends.
I like DeCastro.
But I am not that much into taking O line in the first round
The Cowboys defense sucks
And the pass rush is DeMarcus Ware against the league.
Besides someone might take DeCastro before the Cowboys do.
I am not OL or bust.
But DeCastro is ok but only as BPA.
by Jonathan Stern on Feb 9, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Does it really matter?
With Garrett influencing the decisions and the recruiting and coaching staff we have its hard to imagine going through the draft and not coming out of it with a Sean Lee, Tyron Smith or Demarco Murray. If anything we improved that with Callahan and Henderson.
We know we’re solid with Scandrick and Jenkins, so is CB really going to be a 1st round pick? Hard to tell, we’ll get the best guy on our board, we know that.
If you compare some of our drafts since Jimmy Johnson was here they were terrible, in ‘93 he drafted a 3x Pro Bowler in the 7th round. Since then we’ve had very few good drafts… put us in a big hole we’re finally climbing out of. Jerry’s solution is buying a champion through free agency, Jason and Jimmy’s is drafting and recruiting well, then developing young players. The latter works.
Watching the playoffs the game seems to be about
Either protecting Romo
or
Knocking the other Qb on his ass
I am tired of Romo getting hurt. His play goes down or we have to put in a lesser Qb. Two years in a row! Make a commitment!
I would love to spend the entire draft either protecting Romo or knocking the other Qb on his ass. A corner will help indirectly but I say screw that. Pick up a serviceable older vet and go after players that hurt people. Sorry maybe it is the wine but it seems that simple.
MacGruber!
by Mojoness on Feb 8, 2012 10:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Simple Game this NFL Football is
The ingredients to winning:
1) Protect your QB
2) Hit the other team’s QB
3) Win the turnover differential
4) Win the third down differential
5) Win the redzone differential
#s 3-5 all come back to protecting your QB and knocking the other QB on his a$$.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
BTW
If you commit to #1 an interesting thing happens..
You tend to have a good running game.
Yeah protecting the Qb and running the ball are two different offensive line skills but… We are talking about where to commit in the draft. Great linemen can do both.
The elephant in the room is this… The team seems to lack a physical component. Call it what you will giving up big leads is not a mythical ‘lack of heart’. It is physical! I want players that deliver force. If we go down I say we go down stomping.
MacGruber!
I agree, that's what this team is missing
When we have a lead late in the game, we still have to pass because our Oline can’t consistently be relied on to open holes for our RBs to finish off teams. Is it a coincidence we blew games to the Jets, Lions, Patriots, Cardinals, & Giants in the 4th quarter?
That was the difference between us being 8-8 or 13-3.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 8, 2012 11:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
protect Romo & do a Theismann on the opposing QB.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone says (media etc..)
The cowboys have great skill position talent.
The truth is a CEO isn’t very good if everyone in the company is crappy at their job regardless of the CEO’s skills. The line positions will make or break the team. In our case bad line play has crippled the team.
MacGruber!
If you guys had to choose one..
Who would it be? Kirkpatrick or jenkins
by cjs.93 on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
in the 1st?
neither. DL or OL in the 1st. CBs at any point after that. QBs: gotta protect ours & crush theirs.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Good question
I am not a college guy but-
Big physical vrs small fast
Desean is probably gone (maybe?). Cruz is 6ft 200ish… Avant is medium in height/weight as well. Nicks is a big receiver. So do we go light small fast or tall physical?
I would guess Kirkpatrick. Not sure…
MacGruber!
Tall & Physical
check out this guy for the 7th rd: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=29107
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 8, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
don't know how to fix the bug, but
just copy & paste link to your browser’s address bar or manually add the &player=29107 portion that isn’t highlighted.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 9, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
Draft slot aside?
Jenkins. Not even close. I wouldn’t take either at 14 though.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I wanted
Upshaw. But I’m really starting to think the pick will be a corner. And I dunno who to pick bc I don’t really know between the 2 corners who’s got the most potential but I think its jenkins
by cjs.93 on Feb 8, 2012 11:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Those all suck.
If any one of those is our draft I’ll vomit.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
your crazy
If u think courtney upshaw is bad. Dude was. a beast at alabama and I really think he would compliment D-ware nice.. But hey what do I know right? As long as our first pick is a solid and good pick I really don’t care.. In jerry and red we trust.
by cjs.93 on Feb 8, 2012 11:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm talking about about the drafts as a whole.
I’m not impressed with any of them.
And as for this…
In jerry and red we trust.
…speak for yourself.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Upshaw
isn’t bad. he’s just not that good for the 14th slot. He’s been nicknamed Spencer 2.0 by some. I posted some scout’s reports about him earlier in this thread. just look for the quoted paragraphs.
by 99yard_TD_Run on Feb 9, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I voted Draft Tek
Based off all the others, I liked that one the most. What the hell was Walterfootball thinking with Chandler Jones? That’s not an upgrade over Spencer, that’s the opposite of a vertical move, that’s a down grade, especially in the second round.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Luke Kuechly will not be an Eagle
The Eagles have never drafted Line Backers, Safeties, or Running Backs in the 1st round during the Andy Reid era, so why the hell would they brake from that tradition now?
Expect our NFC East foe to draft OT, G, C, DT, DE, WR, QB, or CB in the first round.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
when was the last time dallas drafted a tackle before Tyron Smith?
I don’t think precedence means much there.
The Eagles don't value those positions in the first rd
As first rounders.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 9, 2012 9:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Walter Footbal is loosing credibility with me
Last week they had Jenkins to the Cowboys in round 2, and now he’s there’s at 14? Also, Ben Jones will likely not make it past the 2nd, let alone the 4th.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have that haul of players, but I went Drafttek for a more realistic draft.
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At this rate, the only reason to visit Walterfootball, is for their draft pick value chart
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Mocking the draft right now is pointless anyway.
Combine hasn’t happened, pro days haven’t happened, free agency hasn’t started. Everything is still up in the air, so trying to pick a landing spot for these guys is an exercise in futility. I don’t usually start paying attention to the mocks until it gets closer to a month before draft day. That’s when they start to become a little more realistic.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
This was the week of the senior bowl and other all star games. You'll see drops and jumps.
The forward thinker knows that if Jenkins has cleaned his life up, by draft time the ’Boys and others will be pondering him.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Feb 9, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
That's What I Mean
It would have taken minimal research to come to the writer’s conclusion a few weeks ago.
Putting together a Mock is tough – especially a seven-rounder. I get that. And I also get that there are going to be jumps – especially during/after the combine. I expect jumps from players the casual fan is less familiar with. But jumping a guy like Jenkins, who has a proven track record on the field, an entire round because he “seems to have turned his life around” wreaks of hackery. We didn’t need the Senior Bowl to figure that out. We had a whole year of good behavior to work with.
That being said, I’ll still go to that site. I’m a sucker for a seven round mock.
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Me also, mocks are a lot of fun.
I see what you’re saying… Good point, for sure.
What is the star now? A fallen piece of hardened plastic? The heaviest franchise in American sport? A false idol adored by many millions? The epitome of all that can be achieved with hard work? All that can be lost with too strong a sense of entitlement? A welcome coping mechanism, distracting from the real negativity on Earth? A bonding and separating agent?
by BlueNSilverBlood on Feb 10, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think Dallas has at most a 2 year window to win a superbowl.
This draft has to produce 4 starters. Free agency needs to produce 2 starters. I get the feeling Tony plays out his contract and hangs it up. Jerry has wasted his career in Dallas. He gets crushed every year because of Jerry not building an o line. The ultimate revenge for Romo would be to leave Jerry high n dry with no replacement .
Jerry as usual went about this all wrong. He should have shown urgency a few years ago. He didn’t. This is what 09 drafts do to teams. Now all of a sudden Jerry wants to take the draft serious and he realizes he needs a lot of different positions. Sadly I don’t think we will ever see Romo in a superbowl. Jerry just wasn’t smart enough to take advantage of a good situation.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
The Giants
Have two or three players we don’t but basically are comparable.
It will happen I think
MacGruber!
Romo is an athlete...
He can play another 5 years…and with a great o-line that may be the minimum.
by TheCowboyFan on Feb 9, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
What if he wants to try his hand at pro golfing ?
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Feb 9, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
he can play football until he's 36 to 38, and then turn to golf.
not possible in the other direction.
by slowmotion80 on Feb 10, 2012 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
Don't like either one.
DrafTek’s is my favorite though, I still want to get DeCastro in the first and more OL help than anything.
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