Cowboys vs. Patriots: The morning after
by Dave Halprin on Oct 15, 2007 8:13 AM CDT
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Well, it's the morning after and it still looks the same. The Cowboys are a good team, a team that eventually could become a great team, but we are not the Patriots. We are just not on that level yet. I’m not sure anybody is at this point, maybe the Colts, we’ll see down the line.
Here’s what the players and coaches said after the game.
One of the most frustrating aspects of that game was the Cowboys inability to get off the field on 3rd down. Time after time, Brady made a mockery of our 3rd down defense.
"First and second down, I think we did a real good job," linebacker DeMarcus Ware said. "We'd get them to third and 10, third and 11, third and eight or nine, and they just seemed to mess with us."
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"We tried about everything we could do, almost every coverage and blitz," coach Wade Phillips said. "They just seemed to have the right answer for everything, and that's certainly the quarterback. He does a great job distributing the ball to a lot of different people."
Brady is a cold-blooded killer. We had no answer for him and his trio of ringers at WR.
The secondary in particular paid the price for Brady’s excellence.
"They did a good job of executing their plays," Cowboys safety Ken Hamlin said. "I don't think it was a breakdown; they just executed better than we did. They went to all their receivers. We have to play better."
Even when we thought we had them covered, we didn’t.
"We got Welker covered and [Stallworth] catches a 60-yard touchdown pass on us," Phillips said. "We doubled him some; in fact we doubled him on the touchdown pass he caught. It's frustrating."
Make no mistake about it, the Patriots were simply the better team. And the Cowboys know it.
"Some of these guys might be a little frustrated now and say 'We might be better than those guys'" [Bradie] James said. "No, we aren't better. If we had been better, we would have won."
Wade Phillips isn't buying any excuses, either.
"There are no excuses," said coach Wade Phillips, his team 5-1, tied with Green Bay for the best record in the NFC. "They outplayed us."
Count Romo among the group who knew we lost to a better team.
"You're disappointed, you're frustrated, but we weren't the best team on the field," Romo said. "As a competitive guy and a competitive team, that's hard for us this evening and will be for the next day or so. I said this a while ago, it's not going to go smooth every game, but we're 5-1 and that's a good place to be right now."
And about that call for the FG instead of going for the TD in the 4th quarter, Phillips sounds a little wishy-washy on that now.
"With 10 minutes left, I thought it was the right call," Phillips said. "Looking back now, I would say, 'Go for it.' If you're going to get beat, 48-27, you might as well go for it."
At least the Original 81 has the right attitude about the game.
"Hopefully, we'll see them down the road," receiver Terrell Owens said. "We've just got to regroup. There's no confidence lost in the locker room."
Romo suffered an injury that will be re-evaluated today, but Romo doesn’t think it will be anything serious.
Romo suffered a left shoulder strain, and although he finished the game, he did have the shoulder wrapped, with his arm inside his shirt, close to his left side.
While Romo said he had suffered a rotator-cuff strain, Cowboys assistant trainer Britt Brown said it would more appropriate to call the injury a "shoulder strain."
When Romo was asked if he thought he'd be able to play in next Sunday's game against the Minnesota Vikings, here at Texas Stadium, Romo said little, only giving a facial expression as if to imply, "Are you kidding? Me miss a game?"
John Clayton slurps the Patriots in this article, and deservedly so.
Don Banks does the same, here.
You can read a semi-update about Terry Glenn's eventual return, here. Bottom line, nobody has any idea when he might return.
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We aren't who we thought we were.
Yet.
by OskieOskie on Oct 15, 2007 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line is
We have to have pretty much everybody healthy to have a shot at beating the Patriots. If we should be so lucky to face them again this year then Henry and Newman have to be 100%, and Tank forcing double teams and Glenn stretching the D wouldn't hurt either. We also have to find a way to get going in the 1st quarter, I would suggest switching up Barber and Jones just to try to get a spark. The biggest key to scoring in the 1st is Romo though, maybe call more rollouts early since that is what he is most comfortable doing?
by mikedallas23 on Oct 15, 2007 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pats: Unbelievable...Cowboys will benefit...
No joke, that's the absolute best assembly of talent we've seen in awhile. They've got big time experience on both sides of the ball. They got guys motivated to show the league they've still got it. They're hungry to either get another ring or get their first and prove doubters wrong. Throw spy-gate and all the BS they caught from that on top, and you've got a team ready to obliterate everything in their path this season...They can beat you in every facet of the game offensively. The special teams is very good. Their defense will only get better as Harrison gets into shape and Richard Seymour gets back on the field...They are scary good. No question in my mind that's far and away the best Patriots team we've ever seen, and they may prove to be the best we've ever seen period by the end of the year.
Like I've said in another thread...The Cowboys showed the league for three quarters they are ready to compete with teams on that elite level, but in the 4th quarter they proved to everyone, including themselves, that they aren't ready to win on that level. There's still work to be done. Sounds like everyone in the locker room knows it. Far from a finished product, but I see no reason why this team won't get better throughout the rest of this season as a direct result of that football game yesterday.
by N41D on Oct 15, 2007 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's this, too:
'Boys went down 14-0, but didn't fold. They remained patient, stuck to plan, and put up a great fight. Easily the toughest game we've (the Pats) have had so far this year.
Told you you'd hate Wes Welker.
by NotJohnHannah on Oct 15, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameplan...
I really liked the approach the Cowboys took to the game offensively. There was really only one call I didn't like all night, and it was the 3rd down in the 4th before we kicked the FG where they had Romo throw that fade to the corner of the endzone. I don't remember dude making a good throw on that route one time this year, so it just didn't make any sense to call it at that juncture. Put Owens in a crossing route over the middle, roll Romo out of the pocket with Witten heading for the back corner of the endzone, ANYTHING other than that stupid fade route that we haven't been able to run well sense Keyshawn left.
Welker really ripped the Cowboys secondary apart. Not having Henry hurt last night, and Welker exploited it all afternoon. When we're healthy, we match up alot better (Newman/Moss, Henry/Welker, Reeves/Stallworth) because we don't have Nate Jones matched up with one of those three, but we're still at a disadvantage. It'll be interesting to see how the Cowboys secondary looks when they finally get everyone on the field together. Still won't be great, but you can only assume it'd be VASTLY improved over what we've seen so far...
by N41D on Oct 15, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Told you you'd hate Wes Welker"...Too bad Roy
Williams couldn't have shown him his horse-collar tackle, and put him out for the season.
by Wharter on Oct 15, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
welker
not really all that hard to predict
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/comme...
by ab03 on Oct 15, 2007 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
so the patriots played like the best team in football, maybe like one of the best ever.
who knew?
by ab03 on Oct 15, 2007 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We had a chance
You know what. We hung in with the Patriots, in fact we had a chance to win the game. We had too many penalties 12/100, most at bad times. The TO catch to extend the drive, MB3 run on fourth down which would've extended the drive. I had a feeling by Romo's comments afterwards the team felt they had them on the run when Barber made that first down that was called back. I'm not making excuses, but if our secondary was shored up I think the outcome would've been different. Hopefully, we will see them again when we have everyone in place. Glenn, Tank, Henry will make this team that much better. I think this game was the one game we really needed Glenn. He was the other person besides TO that could stretch the field.
by Cowboys81 on Oct 15, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're not making sense
when you say the penalty calls were bogus but then you don't blame the referees for the calls. Then you say it's classless that the Patriots ran up the score but Belicheck is not your problem and the last TD doesn't matter to you. What does that even mean? You're running a Cowboy fan blog and it doesn't matter that the score is being run up like that? Have the guts to say the officials jobbed us out of the game in the second half. 100 yards of penalties through 3 quarters on the home team, and that doesn't piss you off, then I question what kind of fan you are. That sounds like a masochist to me. I watched the game with 3 other long time fans and we all knew we were getting screwed. Maybe you should watch the tape again and get back to us.
by Warden on Oct 15, 2007 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL Step off the ledge...
Other than the bogus pass interference call on Watkins, and the force out on Owens that went uncalled, there wasn't a penalty called yesterday that you have a legitimate complaint about. The Cowboys hardly got jobbed. They played themselves out of that football game because they had holding/false start penalties and an illegal shift penalty that erased plays that could have been turning points in the game.
The Cowboys have nobody to blame but themselves. They got down early because of yet another slow start on offense, and were forced to get more aggressive later in the game and subject themselves to those types of penalties...The first and fourth quarters are the difference in the game. Period. We didn't get jobbed by the referees. We shot ourselves in the foot several times, and played ourselves out of that football game.
by N41D on Oct 15, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warden, this referee and his motley crew have
screwed our 'Boys on more than one occasion.
by Wharter on Oct 15, 2007 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To my dear friend Warden:
I said two calls that I saw were bogus. One was the push-out of T.O. and we scored on that drive anyway, so it didn't really hurt us. The pass interference call was bogus on Pat Watkins, so they blew that call. But perhaps you didn't notice that the Patriots had driven the ball from their own 23-yard line to have a 2nd and 7 at our 16. I guess that was the refs fault, too. So the refs may have given them 7 points over 3, but nothing leads me to believe Dallas would have stopped them from the 16 on 3rd down anyway considering they had no problem converting 3rd downs.
So basically, you're crying over that call when in reality our defense just couldn't get the job done all game long. The Kosier holding was obvious, the Flozell holding was obvious, the offsides were obvious, the illegal motion penalty was obvious. So no, I don;t blame the refs at all.
Next, I never said what Belichick did was classless. Read it again and tell me if I'm wrong. I think you made that up. I said others were complaining that it was, and I said who cares, it doesn't matter, if you lose, you lose, the margin of score is irrelevant. So it means nothing to me, so I don't really from an opinion on Belichick's motives.
I do run a Cowboys fan blog, but that doesn't mean I have to cry over spilt milk. Plus, it doesn't mean I have to lose my objectivity about the Cowboys and the game of football. Just because my crusades are different form yours has nothing to do with how much I care about this team.
I don't think you need guts to say the officials jobbed us, I think it's quite the opposite. It's a whiny excuse covering the real problem which was our secondary that got torched. Maybe you missed that part of the game.
If you question what kind of fan I am just because I don't moan about the refs when it was obvious who the better team on the field was, then I can't help you. Maybe it's time to read another blog.
Maybe you and your other three friends were just mad and upset because we lost and weren't ready to accept that the Cowboys got beat by a superior team. Perhaps you channel rage onto imagined enemies instead of the true source of the problem, we couldn't stop Tom Brady.
Am I making sense now?
by Dave Halprin on Oct 15, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not calling anyone out
Just calling 'em like I see 'em. Ever notice how it's only after we make a first down that the flags come out? The illegal shift call was bogus also. News flash: nose tackles are held on EVERY running play. After the Bears debacle and now this game, how can you sit there and say the referees were neutral yesterday? After the NBA scandal, you're saying every crew calls it right down the middle, even Steven? What will it take for you to see what's in front of you? Certain teams GET the calls, others get a bad whistle every week! The Patriots weren't holding on pass protection every down? Of course not. If the penalties are reversed we win the game yesterday. No one will convince me otherwise.
by Warden on Oct 15, 2007 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There was some BS calls
Warden. The PI on Watkins was also one of them. Watkins beat Moss to the spot so it should've been offensive PI. The refs called Watkins then changed it to Newman because they didn't see the play clearly. Why make the call then?? I didn't think of it until Mickey Spagnola said that this morning. The TO catch was clearly a push out also. These are calls that can make or break a game. I don't want to hear that penalties or bad calls don't change the outcome of a game because they do. We had them on the run until they holding call on 4th down and that bogus PI. We had a chance to win despite the poor secondary play.
by Cowboys81 on Oct 15, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That holding call in the 4th
was ABSOLUTELY the correct call. Kosier pulled Bruschi to the ground. It wasn't a subtle hold, Koshier might as well have tackled him. There's no way the refs couldn't have called that...
The TO force out and the Watkins PI call were the only calls anyone should have a complaint about. Period.
by N41D on Oct 15, 2007 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
I meant the push out on TO was BS, not the holding call. You are correct, it was the right call. That really hurt us because I think the momentum was changing in our favor and that's what Romo eluded to in his press conference.
by Cowboys81 on Oct 15, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone
Stuck on the push out on T.O.? Dallas SCORED A TD on that drive. The non-call didn't make any difference what so ever. There was one "bad" call that affected scoring, the PI call. At most that cost the team 4 points. Not nearly enough to make a difference in the out come.
It was the legit penalties there were the problem.
by FunCowboysFan on Oct 15, 2007 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nose tackles
Are held on every running play? Are they wrapped up and dragged to the ground on every play too? You couldn't possibly have a better example of holding than that play. He flippin tackled the guy!
The rest of your conspiracy is hilarious. Yep, the refs are out to get the Cowboys. Dallas has such a perfect team that the officials have to make stuff up for them to lose. When the other team scores it's because the refs let them or because they are classless. If Dallas gets a first down, better find a reason to call it back.
And what does the "NBA scandal" (one ref) have to do with officials in Cowboys (NFL) games? What possible logic could you have been using with that comparison?
I've heard of rose colored glasses, but man, yours are extra strength.
by FunCowboysFan on Oct 15, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB3 needs to start!!
I don't know why we keep talking about this because it's a no brainier. Listening to DallasCowboys.com today and other local media outlets they are saying the same. MB3 is CLEARLY the better RB. The team responds to him so much better. If MB3 can be effective with 12-15 touches a game then we need to see 15 to 20. MB3 needs to start.
The role should be reversed with MB3 starting and JJ coming in off the bench. We are getting absoulety nothing from the running game with JJ starting. We saw perfect example yesterday why MB3 is better. He gives this team a spark. Maybe with him starting we can get off to a better first quarter which is something we haven't done all year. There is a reason we are having problems moving the ball in the first quarter. This is not rocket science.
Jason Garrett said after the game something needs to change so we can be effective in the first half. This is what he is thinking I believe.
Bring on Mcfadden!!!......lol
by Cowboys81 on Oct 15, 2007 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MBIII run out of the end zone
I thought he was going to get tackled for a safety, but he just wouldn't quit and turned a disaster into a highlight. I'm not saying he should start, but that was fun to watch. He also had a few nice stff arms of NE DBs.
by Seanrude on Oct 15, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was fun to watch
But MBIII put himself in that situation to begin with. He was stopped at the LOS so he bounced back into the end zone, HORRIBLE decision that worked out ok.
by FunCowboysFan on Oct 15, 2007 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Julius
had his best game yesterday. It's just that we were behind so we had to abandon the running game. I like both guys. On the Barber run where he broke something like 8 tackles, he was very close to breaking it! I think we have our running backs and should forget about McFadden now that the Browns are gonna win too many games to give us the top pick. We need help in other places like corner, and I would take a top pass rusher again.
by Warden on Oct 15, 2007 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just remembered another one.
The roughing the passer on Brady was probably legit, but does anyone remember the play where a Pats D-lineman rolled up on Romo's legs? That's supposed to be automatic call, but somehow, someway, just coincidentally of course, the referee staring straight at the QB missed that one. Aw shucks! Let's instead blame ourselves for all the penalties again and for our undisciplined play, instead of incompetent, choking, bordering on corrupt game officials.
by Warden on Oct 15, 2007 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe that JJ will send a film and critique
of this game's officiating to the league office.
by Wharter on Oct 15, 2007 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Refs were less than perfect...
But I don't buy the conspiracy story, and I DEFINITELY am not blaming the refs for this game.
by DalaiLuke on Oct 15, 2007 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'm not with you 100%
I was watching the game w/ my dad, and he asked the question "Why don't the call that penalty on the Pats?" The only response I had was "b/c they are the Patriots. You can't call penalties on the Pats."
by sprprsnmn on Oct 15, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the bright side
Getting an offense into 3rd down 18 times is good. Letting them convert 12 of them (1 via penalty) -- 66% of them isn't. By my count, only 6 of their 3rd downs were 3 yards or less, and 9 with 6 or more yards to go. If they were gaining more out of 1st and 2nd downs, we should expect 3rd conversions to be high. But, with this many 3rd and longs, not so much.
by mlibbey on Oct 15, 2007 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We seem to be having refree problems lately
do they realize that Jerry Jones and not Mark Cuban owns the Cowboys?
by Burt D on Oct 15, 2007 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've done my "whining"
on the officiating, and some agree, others don't. I still take some positives away from this game despite the seemingly one-sided loss. One: we came back from 14-0 and 21-10 against The Best Team Of All Time. Two: Romo bounced back to have a solid if unspectacular job. Three: the running game clicked; just not enough carries on the day for JJ and MBIII. Four: DeMarcus Ware showed up big; just stop dropping him into coverage.
Henry not playing killed us. Nate Jones is too big a weakness to overcome against a good team. Our return game is putrid. Thompson should be benched, Miles Austin on kickoffs from now on. Spears and Canty are too similar: good against the run but zero pass rush capability. Akin Ayodele was invisible. Ratliff as far as I can tell had zero tackles.
Disappointing loss, but a win next week has us 6-1 going into the bye, and we all would have settled for that heading into the year. The big picture is that after a full 16 games as a starter, even the most skeptical fan knows we have our QB in place, he's young and improving, and that's more than a lot of teams can say.
One thing I couldn't help thinking was how much Parcells struck out in the 2005 draft. Picking Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Fasano in the first two rounds really set us back talentwise. Yeah, we really needed another TE there, Bill. All we got out of that draft is Jason Hatcher.
All in all, Grizz, I usually agree with your take on things and enjoy the blog. I have no problem getting beat by a "better" team, but this loss left a bad taste in my mouth. Let's agree to disagree on the sorry officiating we had to overcome yesterday. It would be a boring world if everyone saw eye to eye on everything.
by Warden on Oct 15, 2007 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Normally I'll wait 48 hours...
One of the things I've always liked about this blog is the way we can disagree and still be civil. However, questioning the motives and fan loyalty of the guy that maintains this place (at no charge) goes way beyond civil. Warden, as quick as you were to cheap shot Grizz in this public place...let's hope that your apology will be just as quick and just as public.
Normally I'll wait 48 hours before I jump in the post after a loss but I got over this one pretty quick because we were soundly thumped by, without a doubt, THE best team in the league. They've done this to 5 other teams and I'm pretty sure there will be more to follow. Had we gotten beat like this by ANYONE other than the Pats, I'd still be listening to my Anthony Robbins "Personal Power" CD's while chanting the montra "There's no place like home", trying to come in off the ledge.
The penalties killed momentum but what bothered me more is that we couldn't do anything to create our own momentum on a consistent basis like say a 3rd down stop on D maybe? Everybody says that the O has to sustain drives to give the D a rest but they need to help their own cause by getting off the field when it's 3 and 8,9 or 10. We knew they were going to pass and just couldn't stop it. Every week I wondered how long it would be before someone had the gameplan and personnel to exploit our lack of experience and depth in the secondary. Fortunately, we won't be running into another team with personnel like THAT and a QB like THAT GUY anytime soon.
I think we all agree on our team's soft spots but in addition to those...I've about had it with Tyson at KR, yeah he almost broke one but other than that, he's been real quiet all season. We keep hearing about his blazing speed but when I look at him compared to all the other return guys that we've faced, he just looks to be moving at about half speed trying to find the first defender he can run into and go down. He may have blazing speed but if it takes him 70 yards to accelerate what's the point? Didn't he lead the league in KR average last year before he broke his leg? What happened? Either he's not 100% phycially or mentally...I say the latter. Give JuJo a shot back there...he does well in space and has the acceleration and elusiveness that would be an asset back there and it gives him a few more touches.
10 games to go and to many it's already a foregone conclusion that we're in Phoenix for a Pats rematch. I doubt the rest of the NFC is ready to just lay down in front of us...let's worry about Staying/Getting Healthy>Divisions>1st Round Bye>Play Off Win>Play Off Win.
Lastly, there's Parcells' 10th QB commandment:
When all around you is in chaos, you must be the hand that steers the ship. If you have a panic button, so will everyone else. Our ship can’t have panic buttons.
After some of the stuff I read here yesterday and today, that may not be a bad commandment for our blog either. Let's put the panic buttons away because our Cowboys are 5-1...still a very, very good place to be at this point in the season.
by ImpactNate on Oct 15, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me
I didn't realize this blog had a self-appointed ombudsman. Now I know. How was I being uncivil or questioning his motives? In what way did I "cheap shot" Grizz? Yes, we all appreciate that the blog is free, and the quality of the writing, but I am not apologizing for my opinions this morning. Grizz responded to my posts in his own way, so if you want to pile on, no biggie. I can handle it, trust me.
by Warden on Oct 15, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly an Ombudsman but you're excused.
As you put it...
Just calling 'em like I see 'em.
And in spite of that, I'd still buy you an ice cold beer given the chance because we're all loyal to the same team. Period.
Hat tip and movin' on.
by ImpactNate on Oct 15, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll see your beer
and raise you one more! Looking back, I probably went a little overboard toward the Grizz-man. But you're right, we're all passionate Cowboys fans, myself since around 1969, '70. We all take football a little more seriously than we should. At least me, my brother and the other fans I watched the game with yesterday do. Not to flog a deceased pony, but we all were royally PO'ed that we got some horrible calls in a big game for the second time this year (Chicago being the first, which everyone here is forgetting about, the series of bad calls against us). But we can't get the Pats game back now.
One more thing. Pretend you're a Phoenix Suns fan in last year's playoffs, the game where they threw out Omare Stoudamire of the Suns, and the rest of the game the Spurs got the good whistle from Tim Donaghy and Company. I'm sure there were Suns fans after the game saying to other fans: hey, don't blame the refs, the Spurs are just so much better as a team, there were bad calls on both sides, the Suns were undisciplined, etc. That's how I feel today. Not that there's a conspiracy or that the refs are ALWAYS against the Cowboys (as someone misquoted me). Just that I know when something stinks when I see it.
by Warden on Oct 15, 2007 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheap Shots
Did you even read your own post? How about this:
You're running a Cowboy fan blog and it doesn't matter that the score is being run up like that? Have the guts to say the officials jobbed us out of the game in the second half.
Umm, you just implied he didn't have guts. Calling someone cowardly isn't uncivil?
then I question what kind of fan you are.
So, he doesn't agree with your conspiracy theory, so he's not a "real" Cowboys fan?
That sounds like a masochist to me.
And that's beyond rude.
I watched the game with 3 other long time fans and we all knew we were getting screwed. Maybe you should watch the tape again and get back to us.
So the person who selflessly collects information for the best blog of any kind in the NFL, and does it graciously and with good cheer, needs to take orders from you? After you've accused him of cowardice, disloyalty, and sexual deviance? If these aren't cheap shots, I can't imagine what you'd say if you're playing dirty.
by kindablue on Oct 15, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One More Thing
I've never understood the mentality of someone who on one hand blindly roots for a team, and on the other, is always implying the officiating is working against them. If one follows that thinking to its logical conclusion, then the team that they root for is always going to be victimized by the conspiracy. Okay, if the the league is so corrupt and is always trying tilt the scales against one's favorite team, why even care about the outcome of games? Why participate in and lend legitimacy to a corrupt and rigged system by supporting that team?
I'm not saying you have that mindset, but your posts seem to carry more than a little sympathy for it.
by kindablue on Oct 15, 2007 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The refs didn't lose the game for us
they just made some very bad calls. I really do see a referee bias against TO, that dude never gets a call. And to reverse his catch after review when it was so obviously a push out just hurts. The cowboys hurt themselves with dumb penalties but are still a young team and even two bad calls against them can stop momentum. Our own shortcomings came back to haunt us this game and the reason we are all hurting so much is because we see how easily we could have won this game. IF MB3's fourth down run isn't called back adn we go on to score, it's a whole different ballgame.
Time to stand up, get up and whoop some viking AZZ!!
by Billito on Oct 15, 2007 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Faithful Will Light Their Torches
And grab their pitchforks for me saying this, but I didn't think the pass interference on Watkins was that bad a call. I thought it was close, but the problem that I saw with the play was that he appeared to cut into Moss' path while briefly looking his way, like he was trying to cut him off. That's a no-no; a defensive player can initiate contact if he's making a play on the ball, but when he glanced to his right and moved into the receiver's path, it looked to me more like he was playing the receiver moreso than than the ball.
I do agree the call could have gone either way, and I also think that situation was a non-call on many occasions. I just didn't think it was a horrible call, or worse, a sign the league is conspiring against us.
The Patriots fans are wondering about the offensive pass interference call against Moss that negated the touchdown. Simms was emphatically arguing it was a good call, but I never saw him push off.
The bad calls went both ways yesterday, and focusing on the officiating obscures the more important fact, that the Cowboys aren't yet in the same class as the Patriots. We lost to a better team yesterday, pure and simple.
by kindablue on Oct 15, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with you... except,
from what I saw, Watkins was looking at the ball -- and not directly at Moss -- and because of that fact, Watkins had every right to go for the ball as Moss did.
So that's why I thought it should've been a "non-call," as you correctly suggested.
That bogus penalty got the Pats closer to the go-ahead and game-winning TD. Of course, who's to say that Brady wouldn't have thrown a touchdown pass on the very next play if the penalty wasn't called. But regardless, that call still should not have been made.
by kcbrett5 on Oct 15, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cowboys are good enough to beat the Pats
but they have to be at their best, which they weren't.
You can't committ 12 penalties, just can't happen.
Also, we have to have our secondary completely healthy. If Henry plays, Newman covers Welker in the slot. I was actually shocked how well Reeves covered Moss.
Since I was at the game, I could see the Cowboys different coverages, and they left Reeves all alone one on one with Moss many times. Its surprising they didn't attack that matchup more.
Bottom line is that we played very competively with them for 3 qtrs, we just need to eliminate the penalties and get some more pressure on Brady.
The Pats fans around me admitted they were really worried about losing that game in the 3rd qtr and something tells me that except for maybe the Colts game, they won't feel that way regarding too many games this season.
by Terry on Oct 15, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting
so you think the pats offense might be good?
by ab03 on Oct 15, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always did
I just felt they could be stopped and we proved they can if you can rattle Brady. We did it some, but not enough.
Next time, we might be able to sustain more pressure if we play smarter and don't committ stupid penalties.
by Terry on Oct 15, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I've had a whole day to reflect...
I feel a lot better about the game. It still stings, but I accept that the better team won.
For a little perspective, both NE and Indy had some embarrassing games in 2006. New England got completely SHUT OUT by a 6-10 Miami team 21-0 (I know, they didn't have Moss and Stallworth and Welker, but a shut-out is a shut-out). Indy got blown out by Houston (can't remember the score, but it was by more than 20 points). NE and Indy went on to face each other in the AFC title game, and Indy went on to win the Super Bowl.
Sometimes you have to lost before you win (as much as I hate cliches, I'm using that one). If we somehow won this game, the team might have begun to think they were invincible, which could have let to an embarrassing late-season collapse.
Better to lose early than to lose late. That way, you can take it out on the next team you play.
What was is Patrick Crayton said?
"Just call us the Purple People Eaters." (or something like that)
by Nelson on Oct 15, 2007 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thats very true
I'd rather lose to them in October than in February.
by Terry on Oct 17, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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