Cowboys vs. Packers: Hot topics
by Dave Halprin on Nov 30, 2007 12:39 AM CST
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PrintHere are my hot topics from the game.
- Terrell Owens – It’s too bad that on a night when T.O. had a monster game, I can’t shake the image of him bobbling that ball in the endzone right to Al Harris. He was so open and that would have been a kill shot. But if you can clear that mental image from your head, the guy absolutely dominated in the game and there’s no way we win that game without him. Another 100-yard receiving game and another TD in a game, T.O. is da man.
- Brett Favre - What the heck was Brett up to in this game? He was just winging balls down the field like it was 1992 or something. It’s hard to say this because I respect Brett so much as a player, but the Packers were a much better team with him out of that game. Aaron Rodgers took the short passes and let his receivers work, which they’ve been doing all year. People can say maybe Green Bay could have won if Brett didn’t get hurt, but I say the only reason it looked like they could win was because Brett was hurt.
- Cowboys mistakes – The tackling, especially in the secondary, left a little to be desired. That long run by Jennings was a case of blown tackles by three or four guys. The long run by Ryan Grant for TD was a terrible job by Ken Hamlin with an assist from Roy Williams. There were numerous other examples. Also, the penalties were back and they could have cost us. But...speaking of penalties...
- Refs calls – I have to admit that some of the calls in that game went our way, and they were major calls. Let’s start with the big one, the second pass interference on a long pass to Miles Austin. I’m sure everyone agrees that the first pass interference was totally legit. That second one was tricky, if the Packers defensive back hadn’t put his hands on Austin’s shoulder, he might have got away with it. It looked like the ref on the inside who couldn’t see the brief shoulder-hook ruled it incidental contact. The ref on the other side who saw the shoulder-hook and then saw the feet get tangled ruled he impeded Austin’s progress and that tripped him, I guess. Anyway, it could have gone either way. Where the Packers got jobbed was on the pass to T.O. that Al Harris obviously stripped away inbounds and the spot of the football on Ryan Grant’s 3rd down run late in the game. I thought on both of those we got lucky. But, saying all that, they didn’t decide the game, the 27-10 hole Green Bay dug for themselves lost that game.
- Tony Romo – The dude gets it done. He’s been fantastic this year.
- Offensive line - These guys are good. Tony Romo had all day to survey the field and didn’t get sacked on the day and was rarely touched. And in the fourth quarter they were able to get Barber going and close out the game. Truly, this is the reason everything else works for us on offense.
- Good quotes – A couple of regular BTB commenters had some clever and insightful comments about the game.
On the great play of Aaron Rodgers, who this week imitated Romo on the Packers scout team, I give you scottmaui: "instead of [this game] being about Favre and the guy imitating Favre, it's about the guy imitating Favre and the guy imitating him!" Nice.
And on people complaining that Favre was hurt, or the refs blew the game, or any excuse people might come up with for the Cowboys win, I give you Nelson: "Lot of Haterade being drunk tonight. But that's fine by me. Perfectly fine. We're 11-1, and anyone who has a problem with that can kiss our collective asterisks. :D"
I’ve got nothing more than that.
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I got quoted!
Perfect end to a wonderful day
by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Nov 30, 2007 12:46 AM CST reply actions
Correction.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 30, 2007 12:58 AM CST reply actions
T.O.
I've been telling Packers fans all week that NOBODY can play bump and run, man coverage on Owens. It simply can NOT be done. Deion couldn't do it, Al Harris damn sure can't. Even Cowboys fans told me I was nuts, that Harris was some sort of God as a shutdown Corner.
For starters, Owens outweighs the dude by about 40 lbs. And he's faster. You better have some SERIOUS make up speed if you are going to bump T.O. at the line. What the Green Bay coaches were thinking is beyond me.
By the second half, GB was rolling so much protection over to T.O. he was STILL a huge factor.
by FunCowboysFan on Nov 30, 2007 3:13 AM CST up reply actions
even though I hated to see all the mistakes
I liked that we won by 10 points in spite of them. I'm honestly not worried about them (unlike my reaction tot he Redskins game). I think the defense did OK considering no one knew Aaron Rodgers would be coming off the bench, much less what kind of game he'd bring.
And as far as Owens's profoundly horrible drop/INT goes, I'm pretty sure that he's just as steamed about dropping a Sportscenter highlight-reel worthy TD as any of us are. The popcorn was ready but his hands weren't, unfortunately.
This team is different. I think they have a sense of urgency and a sense of where they are so far. I'm sure they now recognize (as we do) that they are currently in control of their destiny. If they take care of business, the NFC is theirs regardless of how well any other team performs these last few weeks. They'll use the 10-day week wisely. They'll fix the mistakes. They'll get better. Even better.
by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Nov 30, 2007 1:03 AM CST reply actions
When Favre went down
I looked at my wife and said "Uh oh, the Cowboys don't know anything about this guy that's coming in".
All week long the Cowboys have game planned to stop one of the best QB's in history. Didn't spend a single second thinking about who this Rodgers dude is, and why would they? Favre is the Cal Ripken of football.
As strange as it sounds, the ONLY reason the game was as close as it was is because Farve LEFT it.
by FunCowboysFan on Nov 30, 2007 3:18 AM CST up reply actions
When Wade came out for his post-game...
The first thing he said was that they hadn't really prepared for Rodgers, and that his adjustments backfired somewhat.
All the same, give the kid credit. He played his ever-loving backside off. I remember when he scrambled for that first first down and got helicoptered by two guys. The first thing I thought was... this kid is going to get himself killed. But he sucked it up and played well.
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 30, 2007 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
The ugly play of the year
is having Ken Hamlin and Roy Williams converging on Ryan Grant and both whiffing. Roy looked like he was worried he or Hamlin would get hurt and held back. Two deep safeties with that much experience should never ever have such a collective gassing.
But I like the results. My Pet Cat caught 2 TDs and now has 7 for the year (tied for 8th in the NFL going into Sunday). We need to sign him.
Jones had the nice first drive and then faded while MB3 was strong throughout. The defense has to plan for both offenses and that is to our advantage.
Speaking of planning - can a team plan to get a backup QB to stop killing us with his feet? Probably see that more before the end of the season.
Have we had any other games where we were out-rushed?
Oh and it feels so good!
Bah
"Have we had any other games where we were out-rushed?"
Half their rushing yards came on that one big play. Not to pretend it didn't happen, but Grant carried 13 times for 32 yards aside from the big one. I'll take it.
by FunCowboysFan on Nov 30, 2007 3:23 AM CST up reply actions
terrible play
it looked to me like they both were thinking 'i have help inside, i need to shade to the outside', and grant just split them easily.
by billstickers on Nov 30, 2007 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
GOOD POSTS
at least these posts give the boys the credit they deserve...the pack are a good team and it felt like they were moving in slow motion..i like how our d-fence plays tougher each week..good stuff. ware, ellis, canty, roy, t-new, revees, jones,spears bowmen(sp?) henry..hamlin...these guys get me pumped i just wish wade would slow the offence down sometimes so the d-fence could get a little more rest,,parcells seemed to pay more attention to that.but still 11-1 no complants good times..
Green Bay
seemed like they were desperate to win this game. I know it was a big game that could decide home field for the playoffs but they threw the kitchen sink at us in the 1st half (flea flicker, onside kick, and Favre throwing bomb after bomb). It was almost as if they felt they had to score those points early or they werent going to win.
They're playcalling in the first half was characteristic of a team with nothing to lose going up against a superior opponent rather than a team who's 10-1.
What I don't get
Was the ridiculous onside kick try. WTF were they thinking?
You're right, they played like a team that came in expecting to lose.
by FunCowboysFan on Nov 30, 2007 3:24 AM CST up reply actions
It might have been ridiculous...
But it nearly worked. Mike McCarthy gets credit for having big brass... footballs.
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 30, 2007 7:57 AM CST up reply actions
Onside Kick
I thought the onside kick was a great call. It's completely unexpected and Dallas had been unstoppable on both of the previous drives. McCarthy needed to generate some extra opportunities for his offense and limit his defense's exposure. If GB kicks deep, Dallas is likely back at midfield in a few plays anyway, so there's limited downside. McCarthy had a lot to gain and wasn't risking anywhere near as much. And, as has already been pointed out....the Packers were just a bad hop from that play working.
Agreed
It was a smart gamble by McCarthy, and they didn't lose that much from it in hindsight. I just read an article on these surprise onsides in ESPN the Magazine (they tricked me by putting Romo, TO, and Witten on the cover, and then the article was one page long...grr!); they work around 70% of the time. I was at a bar so I couldn't hear the audio (and it sounds like that was a blessing); why was there a penalty on the onside kick? It looked like it went 10 yards though I can't be sure of that, is there some rule against the kicker recovering it?
The ball barely bounced off a GB player
before it went 10 yards.
by Dave Halprin on Nov 30, 2007 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
By the way...
One thing I thought was interesting about the onside article was when teams decide to go for the surprise onside. It's something I'd never paid much attention to. Teams will cheat on kick returns by having their front line players get an early jump on running back to form the wedge and block. When the other team sees this on film or in the game, and senses the blockers are about to do it again, that's when they go for the surprise onside, and that's why it works so often.
surprise onside
In games like this, i always figure the lesser team will try it at least once. I remember Jimmy Johnson calling that in past against the Skins when we were trying to get up to their level. It's plays like that which could swing the game in your favor when you're the underdog.
That being said, as the better team, i think we should expect it and prepare accordingly. Teams are going to take their shots at us. Wonder if there's any stats about how teams do on kickoff returns when they're in their onside prevent vs. just normal kickoff return scheme. Even if there's a difference of a few yards, protecting against the onside would seem to be more critical than a few extra yards on a return, especially when our offense is cooking.
The TO Drop
I said some things that would NOT have made your "Good Quotes" list. I think I also woke the neighbor's baby. Sorry Gus.
The calls did happen to go our way, although only the Owens one was patently bad and apparently a ref blew the whistle before it was decided. Bad move on their part.
I had to suffer all day listening to lame analysis about Romo hasnb't played well yet in any biggames, bl;ah, blah, blah.
Great win by a confident and talented team.
Owens Strip
The way I understand the rule, once Owens' forward progress has been halted, the play is dead. (If I'm wrong here, can someone enlighten me?) That looked to be the case, and so it looked like a good call to me.
I think it's a lousy rule, though. I think the carrier should get credit for all his forward progress, but blowing the play dead before it's actually over bothers me. I've only seen this called right at the sidelines, and I'm pretty sure the NFL is trying to keep the clock moving in order to shorten the game down to 3 hours.
The problem on that call
was the ref blew the play dead prematurely. The correct call was made in the review, but the ref shouldn't have blown it dead. If he let it play out then it would have been GB ball.
true but one problem
the ruling on the review was whether the ball was a completion or not, Green bay couldn't challenge the premature quick whistle.
NO, IT WAS A LOUSY CALL
that was the fastest whistle in NFL history, his forward progress wasn't stopped, the ball was stripped before T.O got out of bounds, it was a big break for us, we'll take it, but it was a brutal call and to top it all off, we got a fifteen yard penalty added on top of it because the Packer defender was so unset with the call which compounded the play
Agreed, it was a bad call
That was a clean strip by Harris and a very generous application of the forward progress rule. I'm not sure that forward progress did stop, and they were still fighting. As for the penalty, that was just stupidity by Harris. I would be fuming at the refs if I were Green Bay for the whistle, but fuming at Harris for being a moron on the penalty.
penalty?
wasn't it just a 5 yard delay of game? it wasn't an unsporstmanlike conduct... he just slammed the ball down.
TO
One other mistake TO made, on the play prior to his bobble that was intercepted in the endzone, Barber had a run down to the 3 yard line and was tripped up by Al Harris, on that play TO failed to even come off the LOS, the ball was snapped and he just stood there. Had he even attempted to engage Al Harris, that was a sure TD for Barber.
I'd like to add
- Roy Williams to me is still a liability in coverage. BUT. . . what a fantastic blow he delivered on Ryan Grant. That got me on my feet instantly and I started flexing and jumpin up n down. Good thing no one was there to witness it, ahaha.
- Jason Witten. . . You're just a stud, what more can anyone say? I love you man!!
- T.O. dude you killed me in fantasy, Thanks! But I'm a little mad at you for giving Romo an interception which took points away from me when it was all your fault. Still i love me some T.O.!
- Miles Austin. . Welcome to your new kick off role that I doubt anyone will take from you. Great job tonight man! Also thanks for burning your corners and making them do stupid things. Huge!
- Crayton. . . you've done a fantastic job all year filling in for our boy T.G. and are very under rated in my book.
- To all the Tight Ends . . you're the best trio easily in this league. You're play making abilities are amazing and are a huge asset to this team. Awesome!
- O line.... rock on guys, you are fantastic! Easy on the penalties though.
- Tony freakin Romo. . speachless
GG Boys, proud of ya!
Good add, but one more---
- My Cowboy-fan friends and I have now started a pool. The winner is the person who is closest to picking the quarter and time left where Flozell Adams has a key false start/holding penalty that moves them out of range or brings back a big play. The start of the 4th quarter is usually a solid pick.
Don't get me wrong- I love the guy and he's part of the reason for our success but the lst few weeks I've been watching Cowboys games on NFL Replay from the 90s and in every one Adams does the same damn thing he's doing now. Clockwork. Beautiful, horrible clockwork.
by california fan on Nov 30, 2007 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
The O line was better than good
I've already said the O line is the best in the league so maybe some of you guys will start believing. It wouldn't have mattered if KGB was playing, Flozell would have shut him down too.
Great job by Colombo, he's certainly living up to his 1st rd status. As bad as Parcells whiffed on Rodgers and Peterson in 2004 draft, he hit a massive homerun on Colombo.
Fellows, you are witnessing a truly special year, so enjoy the ride, enjoy the ride, I know I am!
I have to agree now
I haven't seen an o-line pass block better than ours this season. NE's is very good and IND's is historically great, but I think we're right up there with the rest of them. Our run-blocking is pretty good, too. I'm not sure if this is the result of Sparano having more time to work with them or if Bigg is just making that huge a difference, but they are just mauling people out there. Speedy ends can't get anything going, on either side.
Great game by Columbo last night, BTW.
You gotta love Randy Galloway...
And by love, I mean "feel slightly nauseous at the mention of". You ready for a laugh? Check this out...
http://www.star-telegram.com/332/sto...
The title is: A win's a win, but Packers put on better performance
What he said was bang on
Sometimes when he writes and talks, he tongue and chaeek but that article is axactly how the game went. The Cowboys did get two gift calls br the refs that accounted for ten points and the packer offense was alot better and played within their gameplan when Rogers was at the helm. Dallas should blown them out with the wat they played the first twenty minutes but after that, the cowboys were sloppy, took too many penalties and seemed to shut it down for a long period of time from the start of the second quarter until about the middle of the fouth. A win is a win, but I think dallas had a chance to put a big stamp on this game and in this division, but kind of missed the boat.
no it wasn't, Galloway is a moron
The Cowboys were cleary the better team and it showed. The calls were absolutely legit and even if they weren't, who's to say the Cowboys still don't score on those drives.
Rodgers played well because we didn't gameplan for him, we gameplanned for Favre. Obviously, the Cowboys weren't ready for the skill set of Rodgers but they still held them off and won the game.
That was a great and impressive win and anyone who thinks otherwise is simply a hater, end of story.
Same old rose colored glasses
Gee, you think that both call were legit, what a surprise!!! Anyone that clearly watched the game, seen that both calls were horrible calls, but we got a break, I'll take it, but come on man, try to be even handed when watching a game and to say how do you know that they wouldn't of scored, who's to say they would of scored.
As far as the Rogers and the gameplan excuse, the guy actually played the same gameplan that the packers were playing for weeks when Favre was at the helm, it was Favre that was the one that seemed to be playing a different game plan, he looked like same old Brett from the early ninties, all the commentators didn't get the gameplan the packers started it with. Rogers isn't exactly a running quarterback, Favre has one his fair share of rushing in his career, and some of the slot blitzes, either the corner or safety lined up took the wrong route or the defensive end wasn't running the right route, everytime a blitz was coming from the slot from the second quarter on, the blitzer kept running into the backside of the defensive end on the play and when the cowboys were rushing four, the linemen didn't stay in their lanes and lost containment.
I have to agree with Galloway, that the packers when Rogers was at the helm on offense was more impressive, and played within their gameplan from the second quarter on than the cowboys were, but dallas was completely dominant for the first twenty minutes of this game, and the O-line played thee best they've played all year, except for a couple of bad penalties.
The second pass interference call
was legit. It was quite clear that the defender reached from behind and GRABBED Austin's shoulder right before the legs got tangled. That is clearly pass intereference. Good call.
The only bad call was the Harris-T.O. call.
HE DIDN'T GRAB ANYTHING
slight touch of the shoulder isn't pass interferrence, Miles progress wasn't impeded, he didn't grab his shoulder, period, and when it takes a five minutes to actually decide whether to throw it or not, makes it more clear that it wasn't PI. The first PI in the first half was a clear PI, the second one was laughable
YES HE DID GRAB THE SHOULDER
You CANNOT reach out in front of you and grab the shoulder of a player who is outrunning you in an attempt to keep him from catching the ball. That is pass interference. It was last night and still is this morning, the right call.
you need to go watch the play again
the defender placed his left hand on his shoulder pad for a half a second, his right hand barely touched his bicep and five yards later their feet got tangled up. In the words of Chris colinsworth on the play, I didn't like that call, there was no jerking of the arm on the play.
Clear PI
If you are a defender, a WR is running by you, and you grab the WR to slow him down without even remotely making a play on the ball, that is pure pass interference. I'm not even talking about the trip here, though that too would have been enough in my opinion.
The reason the flag was late coming out is that the ref who was closest didn't see the grab. The back judge had to throw the flag once he saw that ref did not, because it was such clear PI.
You're right about the Harris strip, but sorry, you're wrong on this one.
I can't watch it again...
But I saw it quite a few times last night. Unless you're saying the defender did not touch Austin, I don't see how it's not PI. I've seen tangled feet not get called before, but on plays like that you are usually going to see a flag.
PI Call
I was watching Total Access and they had Mike Pereira, the VP of officiating on to explain the call. He said that getting legs tangled up is not PI, but the fact that Austin was trying to make a play on the ball and the defender wasn't, was why it was called PI. Makes sense to me.
Interesting
That makes sense to me too. I'm glad they had an official explanation, that call was like Rashomon. In any case, it was called PI, and that's the end of it.
Ooooh
Nice cinema reference!
by Dave Halprin on Nov 30, 2007 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Video on NFL.com
In the Video section of NFL.com, they have that "Official Review" segment up with this explanation from Pereira so everyone can view it.
thats BS
get a clue and go watch the play again, especially the side view which clearly shows no pulling of the receivers arm or shoulder a hand on a shoulder for a half a second doesn't make it pass interference, there was NO PULLING of his arm, the defender was trying to move to the inside to make a play on the ball and their feet got tangled up and both went down, he wasn't tripped in any shape or form on purpose and the ball was completely uncatchable as it was ten yards overthrown. It was a horrible call, if thats PI, then every pass thats thrown to any receiver on any play,is PI. It was a horrible call.
Ok, so it's illegal contact?
You can't grab a WR in that situation. It doesn't matter whether you jerk them hard. It's a penalty. As for whether the ball was uncatchable, it was a lot closer than 10 yards. If Austin wasn't slowed up and tripped, he would have had a chance at it (which is not to say that he would have caught it).
didn't grab anything
its not illegal contact, if it was, thats a five yard penalty and not a spot foul. It cant be illegal contact as the ball was in the air, a defender always has a hand out to touch the receiver and vice versa as a guide to know where the receiver or defender is when they both are running and looking back for the ball, to know where each other is as they run down the field, you see it all the time. The defender on this play was trying to come accross the receiver to get inside to make a play on the ball when their feet got tangled up. It was a weak call, but I'll take it, never said I wouldn't, just think it was a horrible call to make in such a big game, one of many horribe calls that I saw.
I know the difference
between a PI flag and an illegal contact flag and what the punishment is. My point is that the touching was clearly illegal (at least, clear to everyone else here). Because of when it happened and because it cost Austin a chance to make a play on the ball, PI was the right call. Plus, as many have said, a non-call makes that 2nd and 10 against a defense that showed no ability whatsoever to slow down the passing game.
GB's offense wasn't more impressive at all
thats a ridiculous statement and just full of hate. The Cowboys owned the Pack in this game. Romo had a qb rating of 125 and MB3 was running wild all night.
We were unstoppbale, however, GB's offense was putrid with Favre and with Rodgers, we stopped them when we had to.
Say what you want, but Favre is immobile and Rodgers isn't. The Cowboys weren't ready to deal with a mobile qb, it doesn't take a genious to figure that out.
It was more than Rodgers just being mobile
although I agree that is something that worked against Dallas. The big thing was that Rodgers was playing smart and taking the shorter throws and letting his receivers do all the work. For some reason Brett wasn't doing that and decided to go back to his youth and just wing the ball. To me, that was the big difference between the two on the night.
by Dave Halprin on Nov 30, 2007 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
that may be
but i don't see how you look at that game and think the packers were the better team. they're secondary was way weak, they're D-line got absolutely no pass rush, and they really didn't have a run game to speak of (except for one fluky run), and the D got some really key stops (good stop right after TO INT).
on the other side, the cowboys kept putting up long sustaining drives that, although helped out by penalties, I'm not convinced they wouldn't have kept those drives up by themselves. if T.O. hadn't gifted the INT (which, even if you say a drop is a drop, most drops don't go into another guy's hands - they still would have probably scored), it would have showed the utter domination on the second half.
I agree, the cowboys weren't great, but at best, this was like the redskins game. you would think the game should be a blowout and it sucks taht rodgers turned the defense into swiss cheese a couple of times, but the defense held its own when it needed to and the offense just kept rolling the whole night. that is going to win you games.
also, how about romo coming up huge in the clutch. no more "he hasn't proven anything." i might have agreed before but this was a game where he could have easily come out nervous and all he did was perform at an incredible level with no bad plays.
by ab03 @ Blogging The Boys on Nov 30, 2007 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
*our D got the stop
that line should have been in the second paragraph
by ab03 @ Blogging The Boys on Nov 30, 2007 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Now, if he had written what you just did...
Then I'd have no real problem with it.
Giving the Packers credit for playing well and for coming back to make a game of it is a far cry from saying that they were better than Dallas, and that the Cowboys somehow got a lucky win.
The Cowboys were simply better than the Packers last night, and the only reason they didn't hang fifty on them was that TO muffed the TD pass and they didn't need to score more than three on their final drive. Had they needed another TD, I have no doubt that they could have gotten it. Green Bay's defense just wasn't up to the task.
As for the bad calls, those have happened in every single NFL game that's ever been played, and the two that everyone keeps mentioning are hardly the worst I've ever seen.
On the Owens takeaway, he was awarded the ball because the play had already been whistled dead before Harris got hold of it. Owens caught the ball in the air with his back to the sideline, and was essentially stumbing backwards out-of-bounds when Harris took it away from him. Harris had to hold him up to get the ball, and that's what the ref saw.
There's also the fact that, if you slow-mo it, Harris didn't have both feet inbounds when he finally got control of the ball. Had it been ruled an interception, Dallas could have challenged and likely had it ruled an incompletion.
As for the PI call... it might have been a little ticky-tack, but again, hardly the worst I've ever seen. The ref in front, the one who didn't call the foul, couldn't see that Williams had his hands on Austin's back, and was told about it by the ref coming up from behind. Fact is, Williams did try to hook his right arm, and the only reason he couldn't was that Austin had too much of a step on him. The hooking of the legs might have been incidental, but it also seems odd that Williams would be moving over to Austin's left side, when the ball was coming in left to right. Personally, I think he knew he was beat, and was hoping to "accidentally" trip Miles up.
But even ignoring all that--exactly what would have happened if that foul hadn't been called? Dallas gets 2nd and 10 on the Green Bay 47, against a defense that they have had no problem moving against.
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 30, 2007 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Hat tip to Ellis
This is the first year he has double digit sacks. He's missed 3 games, but still has some to go. Love to see him make the pro-bowl but it'll be tough at LB.
He's up there on the leaderboard
Both he and Ware have over 10 sacks now, joining only Kampman, Kerney, and Umenyiora on the leaderboard. Admittedly, we do have a game up on the non-Packers, and there are a lot of guys at 9 or 9.5 that will probably get a sack this weekend. But it's clear that Wade's system is working for these guys. Ware was a monster again last night and should be a DPOY finalist. Ellis is making it all possible and has a superb 10.5 sacks in 9 games (already a season career high). All of the talk is true; Wade is using these guys exactly right and they are producing in a way that they never have before.
I disagree,the only gift we got
is the TO play to begin the game,when forward progress was cited.
as far as the 2 pass interference penalties,they were BOTH LEGIT.
The DB on the "disputed play"
Hooked austins shoulder and his right arm before thier feet become entangled,as a matter of fact if he hadn't grabbed austin,he'd never been close enough to get entangled with his feet! THIS WAS CLEARLY PASS INTERFEREN
CE,NOT A GIFT
Also loved this quote from Wade about the speed austin possesses:
"Miles had a great game," head coach Wade Phillips said. "He had been doing well on kickoff returns and gave us good field position. But I think he gained some confidence (on offense) last week. He beat his guy twice and they had to interfere with him to stop him from scoring two touchdowns.
"He's got a lot of speed and he's got a lot of confidence on offense and special teams."
That was from DC.COM
Maybe Austin can start to stretch the defense with his speed...ALA terry glenn?
not that austin compares in any way to the great Terry glenn,But He does have the speed to get past defenders...Just a thought...
PI call
I felt like the PI call was defensible (so I hesitate to call it a gift), but we've all seen similar plays that didn't draw a flag. I'm not sure that play gets flagged if the game is being played at Lambeau.
Generally speaking...
When calls like that are let go, it's because the players are hand-fighting for the ball and both guys have a chance at it. Miles wasn't touching anyone, he was just trying to reach for the ball.
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 30, 2007 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Hooked austins shoulder
not true at all, didn't hook him, didn't slow him down, never did anything on the play, five yards later was when their feet got tangled up, it was incidental contact, NOT PASS INTERFERRENCE.IT WAS A GIFT!!
what, you think Phillips is going to tell the media it was a bad cal, no way!
Yes he did
WATCH THE REPLAY. He grabbed his right shoulder pulling the arm back. The replay shows it clearly. You cannot reach out and grab a receiver who is outrunning you. He grabbed him in an attempt to slow him, which led to the legs getting tangled. That is pass interference.
I watched it five times, touching a receiver
isn't pass intereference, he didn't pull anything especially in the shoulder pad area when the jersey is so tight, you cant get a hold of it even if you tried
take your hater glasses off Deke it was PI!
it wasn't incidental contact, it was clearly a trip which is PI. What don't you understand about that?
The guy was beat and tripping him was the only way he could have prevented the TD.
By now you've probably seen the NFL video
and referree analysis. It was clearly interference because a leg tangle is only incidental IF either one player, or neither player is looking back for the ball. If one looks back and other does not, it's interference. The replay is clear on that point - Williams fails to even pretend to look back. It's de facto inteference whether the legs being tangled intentionally or not.
on Galloway
- The Harris strip is a red herring. The whistle may have been premature, but maybe TO heard the whistle and stopped wrestling. Further, Dallas would've successfully challenged an award of possession to Harris, as he didn't have both feet in when he got possession.
- The 2nd Miles PI: when a DB puts his hands on a Wr's shoulders, doesn't look for the ball, and the WR goes down before the ball gets there, it's called PI in the NFL 90% of the time. Also, who's to say we would've have scored that drive anyhow?
- It's wearing dirt-covered glasses to "yeah but" the 'Boys for their flukey/lucky breaks, but not do the same for the pack. The TO INT was flukey, and the 2nd Grant TD was setup by Ellis' facemask which was inadvertent and didn't assist in the tackle. That was 3rd down, and that was a 4 point swing.
- The Rogers' gameplanning issue is legit. For all of Favre's strengths, he's not mobile, and our exotic pressure packages knew the "X" where he'd be standing. Not so with Rogers. So I think if Brett stays in the game, we win by 20.
- The Dallas media will all predict the Pack winning next time...KGB, Woodson, Brett, "lucky Dallas..." And just like in the 2nd Giants game, we'll win by 10-14 points. Because we're a better team.
Favre
I knew he got hit in the Ulnar Nerve.... he has no grip strength and couldn't grab the ball...
You know, the one thing that scares me...
is all the talk every week of Jason Garrett being a 'leading candidate' for a head coaching job once the season is over.
Sorry, I'm selfish, but I want him as our OC until Wade leaves.
by Pete on Nov 30, 2007 10:27 AM CST reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised...
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 30, 2007 11:51 AM CST reply actions
I expect another Payton-like situation
Where Jerry will pay Garrett even money to stay as OC and not move on to be the HC of some crappy franchise. That would only work for a year, so hopefully Wade can get a trophy and ride off into the sunset before that.
Head Coach Garrett
I think something like this must be in the works. The way Wade was brought in last summer made me think that was the case, the whole 'Garrett will be the Head Coach if we don't hire another guy' business. I can't imagine many coaches would want to be hired into a position where the owner has already made such a statement of support for someone who will be one of your assistants. I don't believe for a minute that JG is going to be coaching anywhere but Dallas.
Also,
When Jerry was roaming the sidelines in a congratulatory manner, he whispered something in Garrett's ear that made Garrett look embarassed. Not sure what it was, but I think Jerry won't let him go without doing everything he can to make it work Garrett's while to stay.
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