Barber, First round Tender
by Deke on Feb 27, 2008 6:39 PM CST
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There has been alot of talk since the season ended that the cowboys would tender Marion Barber at a first and third round tender, not so fast!!!
Running back Marion Barber
Contrary to earlier reports, the Cowboys will give Barber a first-round tender at $2.017 million, which would net them a first-round pick if he goes to another team, rather than the high tender of $2.56 million, which would have returned a first- and third-round pick.
http://www.star-telegram.com/332/sto...
This is somewhat of a surprise and risky move to me that barber would only be tendered at first round compensation, a team in the lower part of the first round might very well take a run at barber, either attempting to sign him to a big contract or place a poison pill in the contract that would punish the cowboys if Jerry was to match it. You risk losing barber over 500,000, thats what it would cost for the third round tender, that in my opinion should of been placed on barber.
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Interesting
Makes me wonder just what Jerry has up his sleeve. Obviously this will make it easier and more tempting for teams to consider. I'm sure he and the staff have something in mind.
by sublimezg on Feb 27, 2008 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
With the '08 draft being so deep @ RB...
... i doubt that any team would give up their first round pick for Barber -- esp. when they could just select one from this talented incoming rookie pool.
It does make you wonder what the reasoning was behind not giving MB3 the high tender, for it would've potentially given Dallas an additional high draft pick... if someone did happen to offer him an RFA contract.
by kcbrett5 on Feb 27, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Barber is surely worthy of a 1st....without doubt
Plus he is a known commodity, and has proven to excel at this level.. A Pro Bowler for pete's sake....don't think teams won't jump on this. I had a feeling Jerry was gonna do this...I think we were speakin' about this on some other post.
The rookies haven't proven anything in the NFL. Heck, If I needed a RB, and had a chance to grab MBIII in the mid first round...I'd sure bite on it...expect others to as well.I'm not sure if i'd hate this to happen or not...We could pick a rookie RB, and get a journeyman vet to team up with 'em...we'll see.
This definately bait dangling out there...
I'd sure hate for him to come back and haunt us though...lol
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he does
I'd sure hate for him to come back and haunt us though...lol
HE WILL!
by TrueBlue24 on Feb 27, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry
is probably thinking with three number one picks it will be easier to get Dmac
by constwrker on Feb 27, 2008 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my first thought
Is Jerry playing a game to try and get DMac? Sounds crazy, but we are talking about Jerry Jones.
by Dave Halprin on Feb 27, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
I've never truly feared a DMac trade until now. I know the cap is tight, but is $.5 mil really THAT precious?
by grapejoos on Feb 27, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me three
I haven't really been worried about it till now, but I still don't think he would trade for the #1 pick. I would guess he's just stockpiling picks to trade into the 3-6 range.
by ChrisRichey on Feb 27, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree Chris....that's where the value is.
We want the #3 in Atlanta(OT Jake Long) or trade down to #5 (DMac) and let KC have Long........It's all coming together now...lol...
2-1st rounders
4th rounder
two players...Henry, Ayodelefor
#3
#37
#49
DeAngelo Hall
Would still have a 1st to take a CB, OT, or WR
3-2nd rounders
2-3rd rounders(for losing Flo)
5th
6th
7th
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't about the money....
I really feel Jerry wants to get a 1st rounder for Barber...no team would take Barber if they had to give up a 1 & 3.....just giving up a 1 is worth it to take Barber...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
This doesn't make a lot of sense to me otherwise. I'm not happy about this.
by grapejoos on Feb 27, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
never say never
by Cowboys81 on Feb 28, 2008 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Canty will get the high tender?
Jerry is scaring me a little, but it does make the "off"season pretty exciting!
by ChrisRichey on Feb 27, 2008 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't work that way...
...you can have multiple tenders at various levels. It's not like a franchise tag where you only have one to use.
by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 27, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for clearing that up
Wasn't sure, though I believe Canty MUST be tendered with a 1st/3rd. He played very well this year, and has a long career ahead of him.
by ChrisRichey on Feb 27, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be incredibly
stupid to let canty go as well.He is a first round talent,regardless of where we picked him.He would have been a 1st rounder if not for an injury. He is a monster and VERY VERY good against the run and even improved on his pass rush this year.
Big mistake to lose such a young talent!
by TrueBlue24 on Feb 27, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look for top teams to take Canty....
He would be the the 2nd rated 3-4 DE in this draft behind Chris Long.If I was looking to improve that position. These are some teams that may show interest:
NYJ#6, NE#7, Baltimore#8, Buffalo#11, Houston#16
Of course he can probably play DT in a 4-3.....that would open up a whole lot more teams..
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Canty wouldn't be quite that high
Vernon Gholston is quite an animal. I'd compare him to Mario Williams without hesitation. But if he's a second-round tender, consider him gone.
by BudLight on Feb 27, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he will be a 1st....tender..
Where is everyone coming up with this second round tender stuff ???? Canty is assuredly getting a first round tender at 2.017 million...it's in bold print.
and Vernon Gholston would be a better a 3-4 OLB....say to Miami....at pick #1.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think C Long is a lock to go #1 to Miami
if Parcells can't trade out of it.
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and i think different...
Most important and valuable positions for a football team that runs a 3-4 defensive team are....QB, OT, OLB, CB, NT.......in that order
Would you not agree with that ?
ok....OLB Demarcus Ware or DE Chris Long ?
OLB Vernon Gholston or DE Marcus Spears ?
Vernom Gholston is to Tuna, what Lawrence Taylor was to his entire career.
Name me a 3-4 DE that is a dominant force ?
Is C Long really a lock ?
Is Matt Ryan not an option now ?
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're assuming Long is strictly a DE
which is a mistake. Long showed at the combine he has the athletic ability to play OLB in a 3-4.
Remember, Parcells absolutely loves really big LBs, he really loves high character guys who are "football playing dudes" and really, really loves players who come from football famlies.
Chris Long is all the above. I think its a no brainer.
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the only thing that...
this is the key to your statement:
and really, really loves players who come from football famlies.
which is fine and dandy...I agree...Chris Long is a great DE...But I sure don't see him in pass coverage covering a RB on the outside, or a TE across the middle. He will not be a OLB in Miami.
He is not a lock....is all i'm saying...it went from Dorsey, to Ryan, to Long....what's next ?
Miami is doing everything they possibly can to give up the rights to aquire Chris Long and get out of pick #1....so to think they are dead set on him now are way too premature......trust..
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying out of all the elite prospects
in this draft, Long to me best fits what Parcells looks for in a player.
BTW, don't under estimate what a really super stud DE can do for a 3-4 defense, ala Richard Seymore for the Pats, and Bruce Smith for the Bills.
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well...I was looking for present day elite...
Richard Seymour is actually on the decline, and may be on his way out, and Long certainly doesn't have the body frame of Seymour who is well over 300lbs. He did not have a very good year, and is cost prohibitive.....
Bruce Smith is a Hall of Famer..Chris Long is no Bruce Smith...I assure you that.
The best comparison is Jarred Allan....a 4-3 DE
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if Long has Allen's physical skills
I could see him being an Aaron Kampman, though.
by BudLight on Feb 28, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's another good comparison BudLight.
Patrick Kearney as well....
Chris Long will be a good player in the NFL...in a 4-3 set...he'd be an above average player...in a 3-4, I don't see him dominating.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Long will be much better than Allen
BTW, I wasn't comparing Long to Seymore or Smith, the point I was making is that a great DE in a 3-4 defense can be almost as valuable as an attacking 3-4 OLB.
Why do you think Parcells was pushing for Spears over Ware at pick #11 in the 2005 draft?
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz Parcells is a dipsh*t....
Cuz Parcells was not ready to make a small school gem his first pick in Dallas...and if he was forced to grab an OLB, I bet he would've taken Merriman before Ware....that's his style....He has his ways...and he won't change...
Parcells has lived and died with OLB's...Tyler, MaGinest, Banks, etc....
Parcells is taking Miami from the ground up...I have a sense he'd start off with an OLB to put his stamp on this team...that's just my take on this....Look for Miami to trade out of #1 if possible...He'll take Long if he has to, cuz he's a safe pick......but imo he'd prefer a OLB like Gholston, and convert him to OLB...which is never a given that it will work...maybe he's gun shy with his last experimental first rounder...see Carpenter.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit Gholston is a real stud
and should be an absolute terror in this league for a long time. I personally can't see how they could go wrong with either guy though.
I know they want out of the #1 slot, but IMO there isn't a player in the draft worth the 30 million dollar signing bonus. I'd be really shocked if they get a taker.
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only teams i can see are,..
Atlanta or Baltimore to take Matt Ryan...who I do not think is worth it....
If Jerry does it...I will punch him in the nose.
like it matters...Mel Kiper has Gholston rated #1 overall after the combine results.....lol
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you might be right about Baltimore
they are so desparate for a franchise QB and I saw a draft expert on the NFL Network yesterday say that 2009 will be a horrible year for QB prospects which is the very reason why Ryan is being overvalued.
I can't see Atlanta trading up only 2 spots when they probably are confident Ryan will be there at #3 since the Dolphins have Beck and Rams have Bulger.
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly....I don't see Ryan valued as high as #3
which is why i think Atlanta will pass on Ryan, and take best available (Gholston, Jake Long, Chris Long, Dorsey or Ellis)....then move into the late first(trade with Dallas maybe) and grab Joe Flacco.
They would avoid huge QB money...and still get an equally as good QB on the cheap.
Of course I can see Miami doing the same...
If Matt Ryan doesn't get drafted by Miami or Atlanta.....KC and Baltimore would be next up...then Detroit or Chicago if he really nose dives. I just don't think he's all that special...he doesn't wow me with any part of his game. Joe Flacco at least has a cannon arm(the guy threw for over 73 yards at latest QB challenge event) and he looked poised doing it......and is actually bigger, stronger and faster than Ryan. I project him having a better career than Ryan.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats because Ryan is an intangible guy
like Romo. I'm sure Romo didn't wow anyone either coming out of college with his physical skills but the kid can play.
Ryan is the same way and to be quite honest, I think intangible qualities are every bit as important as physical measurables at the QB position. If having a cannon arm and great measurables is all you're looking for then Jeff George would have been a HOFer.
Ryan will be a good starting QB in the NFL at the very least, possibly better.
I fully expect Atlanta to draft him, wouldn't be shocked if Miami did, but he'll absolutely never get by baltimore at #9.
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Virginia coach Al Groh is a FOB.....
Howie sent his son Chris to Virginia to play under Groh and as a DE in a 3-4 defense.....because that is where Howie felt his son projected to as an NFL prospect.
Give the display of athleticism at the combine, I think Howie underestimated his son. Chris would make a lot more money playing OLB in a 3-4, or as a 4-3 DE, where he would be a beast.
by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 28, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree, esp b/c...
Chris Long's familiarity with da Tuna's 3-4 scheme due to his experience playing in that system under FOB Al Groh @ UVa.
But like U said, Terry... if the Fins receive an offer promising multiple draft picks, the #1 overall selection could be good as gone.
I just hope it's not The King offering them.
by kcbrett5 on Feb 28, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not likely...
....the tender (as noted in the diary) determines what salary that player earns for '08. Canty is a good player, but it's not likely that a team would forfeit a 1st and 3rd for a slightly above average 3-4 DE.
If I had to guess, I would say it will be a 2nd round tender...I think that's about $1.5MM. That's only if Dallas doesn't reach a long-term deal with Canty first.
by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 27, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh ?...He's getting a 1st round tender 4 sure...
Dallas sets the tender rate...1st rounder is 2.017 million...Canty will get that no doubt.
If a team signs him...it's going to be way more than 2 million /per...more like 4 million plus.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think so?
I can kind of see your point, but then again we all thought that MB3 was getting the 1&3 tender.
I like Canty. I think he's a solid player, but I just don't think he's done enough to draw much interest. If we have every intention to retain him and sign him long-term, then I agree...we'll give him the first round tender.
It is a weak DL draft...that is a good point.
by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 27, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barber was going to get a 1st & 3rd....but...DMac
DMac's 40 times has a way of clouding Jerry's mind...lol...
I think intially Jerry was thinking NO WAY are we going to lose MBIII, so let's put a highest tender on him to secure him....
Now it's pretty safe to say MBIII is demanding top dollar starters money 5+ million/per....Which I am sure Jerry has no intention of paying for a part time RB...so....after reviewing all the RB's at the draft that he can sign for much less, why not dangle a 1st only tag on MBIII, and see if someone bites...That is the reason he is doing that...without a question....no if ands or buts...He wants another team to grab MBIII, giving us 3 1st rounders.....
2 which could be traded up for DMac...or move up alittle into the mid first round and take an equally talented Stewart or Mendenhall and just give up a later pick with one 1st....either way...we'll have a great back and 1 or 2 first round picks still....
I know most of you love MBIII, I would trade him for a mid 1st round right this minute....sorry...it's just business...
AS Terry has said on many many occasions...Mendenhall is a bigger , faster, stronger version of MBIII, well...for once..lol...I agree with him......and get this......he's also 4 years younger, and his contract would cost much less than a newly signed MBIII....
Think about it....sounds pretty good to me...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
Not really much I can add.
by ChrisRichey on Feb 27, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
Jerry at his age is not going through some type of menopause.
by constwrker on Feb 27, 2008 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Menopause ?
Wouldn't that be "Man-O-Pause" ?
by DeRat on Feb 27, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This a clear sign....Jerry ..Don't do it !!!
I truely believe Jerry is banking on another team to put a contract in MBIII's face....That gives us 3- 1st round draft pick's...In a draft filled with exactly what we're looking for...RB's-CB's-WR's-OT's
I am actually more concerned with losing Canty with another teams offer...going by that report, we are in negotiations with Canty for a long term deal....which must be signed by tomorrow..if that doesn't happen...now what ?...
Can we say 4- 1st round picks in '08 ???
Has that ever happened ??...geeezz..talk about flexability....We can end up with DMac or McKelvin or DRC or Kelly or Stewart or Mendenhall or a combination of three of those guys.........wow...what to do...
Ratliff would replace Canty, (rookie RB) would replace Barber, (rookie CB) would be 3CB or replace Henry, (rookie WR) would be #2 receiver, (rookie CB) would become slot CB or 4CB. hmmm...
I like Barber, but if i can trade him for a 20 year old RB like DMac or Stewart or Mendenhall or even Jones,..I wouldn't think twice.
I like Canty, but knowing we have Ratliff & Hatcher & Bowen & Spears at DE, and have a pressing need for secondary help, Would I trade Canty for DRC or McKelvin ?...yes...without question...
As much as I'd like to use at least one more of those 4 picks...I'd probably trade one for a first in next years draft, and trade down with the other into the 2nd, and accumulate more picks for this year also..
lol...this sure is the silly season...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
best news i've heard all day. he won't be here next year....
by Longhorn on Feb 27, 2008 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very Stupid move IMO
Give away MBIII,A pro bowl back,for just a #1?
I think the #3 would have kept a lot of teams away. Maybe a team is out there that just wants to stick it too jerry and drive the price up.
For $500,000 its a very risky move.
A proven back over a Prospect....Hmmmm
I think its a bad move,or at the very least a riskiy one.
what a silly season it is!
by TrueBlue24 on Feb 27, 2008 7:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And most importantly...
... I've got to wait on buying that authentic Dallas Cowboys MB3 jersey!
by kcbrett5 on Feb 27, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a custom Barber jersey...
with Barbarian instead of Barber. I sure hope it's not going to go to waste.
by DC_fan on Feb 27, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh...poor DCF
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I fell your pain
Barber is 2nd favorite Cowboy. Let's hope it all works out in the end....
by nonotmenever on Feb 27, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like this
Unless Jerry's scouts tell him that this draft is the best in many, many years. Barber is not only exemplary as far as production, he is the sparkplug of the offense. The entire squad performs better when he's involved, whether actively or passively, in any play. I don't see a situation where a team doesn't give up a first for MB3 :(.
by BudLight on Feb 27, 2008 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another Angle....Don't sell Jerry short!
Here is my thinking.....Jerry didn't like the numbers that Rosenhaus was spitting out early in contract discussions. Jerry and Drew have had a pretty good working relationship and Jerry figures that he's not going to try and "high-ball" him (it's really the number he's looking for).
This offer gets other teams involved in the contract negotiations that should be tempered somewhat by the fact that the team would have to dish out a #1 pick and a big chunk of change (teams are going to be looking for a deal if they have to forfeit the pick). This "shopping" could bring Rosenhaus' number down and save Jerry millions.
Just a different angle. Jerry is not an idiot....he can play the game with the best of him.
Just another observation....a team like Miami could swing a deal with the NY Giants to swap the 1st overall pick and the 31st overall pick and then Miami would forfeit to Dallas the 31st overall pick if they were able to sign MB3.
by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 27, 2008 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Miami also has pick 32
Why wouldn't they just give up a 5th round pick to move up one spot into the 1st?
Draft value chart; the difference between 31 and 32 is equivalent to a 6th round pick.
by DeRat on Feb 27, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
This is a bargaining move, though it could backfire on Jerry. But with the crop of RB's coming out, it would be hard to imagine a team giving up a 1st round pick.
I'd still be surprised if MB3 goes somewhere else.
by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure Seattle, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, GB ,...
would take Barber...heck, maybe even San Diego...to replace Turner.
Barber would be the at least the 3rd rated RB in this draft...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GB @30 and SEA @25
I agree would be the most likely to try it. But still, giving up your 1st rounder is not something most teams do anymore.
by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom....Seattle is looking RB...which cost #1...
They want Jonathan Stewart more than anything...well...Stewart is gone at pick #24.....step right in MBIII..
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But a pick at #25
Would be a lot less expensive than signing a new contract with MB3, for SEA. But I'll never say never.
by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good theory - maybe JJ already has a replacement
Maybe the Cowboys already have an agreement in principle with Mike Turner.
I read a rumor that Turner and his agent aren't very happy with the numbers this year. With a deep draft, Teams don't want to spend big bucks on a UFA.
If Rosenhaus is overpricing MB3, then JJ may be crazy like a fox. Get a #1 for MB3, and sign Turner at a bargain price.
by DeRat on Feb 27, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRat.....that is my dream.....
Turner is the one who is going to lose out on this deal.....possibly 4 1st rounders...plus MBIII...is going to drop Turners price down big time...I am all for it....
I am all for signing Turner for a cheaper contract than MBIII is probably commanding...
Then pick up Felix Jones and we're set for the next 5-8 years at RB.
And still have 3 1st rounders....wooo hoooo...
Go Jerry Go....
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point on Ist or 31st pick...
Good point, Fargo. It seems a lot depends on just who is the ultimate trading partner because I think what you are saying is that the reciprocal consideration just has to be a first rounder which, of course, could be a #1 or a #31. Now you have my attention. Gosh, if we traded MBIII for a low first rounder, that would be a spectacular display of bad judgement on the part of JJ.
by SaratogaMan on Feb 27, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
this can't be true. the idea of possibly not having Flozell, barber and canty is hard to swallow....
I'm in utter disbelief
by Jordan2 on Feb 27, 2008 8:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i love the offseason...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you guys are reading too much into this
Jerry is doing this because if he loses MB3, he'll have enough (3) first rd picks to control the entire draft like he and Jimmy did back in the '90s.
I don't think its a ploy to get DMac necessarily, but any player or players he wants. Jerry loves controling the entire draft, and thats what he's looking to do and why he made the trade with Cleveland last year.
by Terry on Feb 27, 2008 8:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
with possibly 4 -1st rounders....
He sure would have control of the draft....LOL...King Jerry...wheelin' and dealin'...I love it..
He's turning 2 4th rounders into 2 1st rounders....He's playing with house money....wooo hoooo.
Go Jerry Go...lol
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Controlling the first round
Terry - agree. With three or four first round picks, can you imagine the media attention JJ would be getting leading up to draft day? He would be dominate the news and none of us would get any work done at the office...lol
by SaratogaMan on Feb 27, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
luckily I'll be on vacation the week
before the draft, it should be fun.
by Terry on Feb 27, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL......for sure...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poison Pills...
Did the NFL ever make a ruling on this after the Hutchinson/Burleson incidents between MN & SEA a couple of years ago?
Does the league office ultimately make a determination on what is reasonable and unreasonable? ....DeRat?
by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 27, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No Restrictions preventing Poison Pill
The CBA doesn't restrict its use. The NFLPA believes the the owners are in collusion because no team used the "poison pill" provision last year.
The guidance regarding offer sheets is located here:
CBA
ARTICLE XIX
VETERAN FREE AGENCY
Section 3. Offer Sheet and First Refusal Procedures:
subsection (e) list the "priciple terms" that an offer sheet must include. It does NOT specifically restrict inclusion of a "poison pill".
That was Seattle's court argument; that the provision included in Steve Hutchinsons contract WAS NOT a "principle term". The Arbitrator didn't agree.
link to short article.
http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2006/...
by DeRat on Feb 27, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, DeRat....
....you need to send the old resume to Stephen Jones.
by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 27, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dream Job
As long as Steven agrees to have one of the Cheerleaders bring me my lunch every day.
by DeRat on Feb 27, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol....DeRat....
get me a job when you get there....
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hooray!
I have been promoting this idea for over a month. If true, I am very happy.
I would still be surprised if another team gave up a first round pick for Barber. He has three negatives going against him when compared to the rookie running backs: (1) he will be considerably more expensive against the salary cap; (2) he already has four years of wear and tear on his tires that is compounded by his running style; and (3) he has proven that he isn’t a superstar running back. What he has going for him is that he has proved that he is a good solid running back. If someone does make an offer, I’d be very surprised if Dallas matches.
Now, let’s get that first and third round tender on Canty. He is the guy we can’t afford to lose.
by Cowboy Louie on Feb 27, 2008 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not a superstar?
Maybe he doesn't get enough carries to qualify as one, but last I checked Football Outsiders had him rated as the second-most effective running back in the entire NFL (behind Jerious Norwood, another reason McFadden will slide). When he's on the field, amazing things happen. If I'm Seattle, I'm playing for the next few years. Hasselbeck's aging, Walter Jones is no longer all-world, the rest of that team is middling in age at best. If I can get a running back like Barber with my first round pick, I take that over a Stewart or Mendenhall any day of the week for the next 3-4 years. People don't seem to remember just how hard it is to average 5 yards a carry, be effective out of the backfield, and ignite an offense. That combination is incredibly rare.
by BudLight on Feb 27, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...Seattle will show most interest.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 27, 2008 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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I hope you are correct about Seattle.
No, MBIII is not a superstar. It is very difficult for a running back to become a superstar because the position cannot drive offensive success in today's NFL. Times have changed; this is a passing league. The only three running backs currently in the NFL that I consider superstars are LT, AP and Steven Jackson. There is, in my opinion, a significant drop-off after that. MBIII is part of the next group of about 10-15 backs.
Look, I love MBIII just like everyone else. But let’s recognize that MBIII was in the best possible situation last season. He ran behind an outstanding offensive line (3 pro bowlers) and was part of a high powered passing offense that forced defenses to keep only seven guys in the box. There are a myriad of running backs that would have been and could be successful in that set-up.
I also disagree with your assertion that 'when he is on the field amazing things will happen'. The amazing things that happened on offense last season for the Dallas Cowboys were the result of Tony Romo, Terrell Owens, Jason Witten and an outstanding offensive line. MBIII lacks top end speed to take it to the house on any given play. He is a good, solid, hard-nosed running back that will give you everything he has every time he is in the game. But he is far from a superstar. It looks like Jerry might have come to that conclusion and therefore isn’t interested in giving MBIII a top-dollar long-term contract. If so, I say good for him.
by Cowboy Louie on Feb 28, 2008 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's not a superstar
While I agree that his play was obviously accentuated by the parts around him, there were quite a few backs in this league with comparable supporting casts who didn't come close to matching his production. Joseph Addai, a good back in his own right, got close to sixty more carries but only 100 more rushing yards. Nobody's going to put down Indy's offense.
I don't buy the fact that running him in a tandem with JJ is what makes him so good; we saw how effective he was against New York, a team that completely SHUT DOWN every other runner they faced in the playoffs. And if you choose to cite his second-half struggles, that's fine. But keep in mind that the Cowboys as a team rarely had that many total carries in a game. 27 rushes is a ton for any back. Barber's a stalwart. I would be seriously surprised if he wasn't picked up by someone.
by BudLight on Feb 28, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will certainly
It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out. I recognize many, if not most people feel Barber is better and more important to the Dallas Cowboys than I do.
Very interesting indeed to see how this all shakes out in the next week.
Westbrook is a stud, I'll give you that. When he is healthy, he can be a gamechanger that forces how a defense plays. So maybe he should be in that elite group.
by Cowboy Louie on Feb 28, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line
I'm going to be pretty sad if we aren't able to hold onto Barber because of this. Ack..
by sublimezg on Feb 28, 2008 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Jerry will have a lot of unhappy fans
to deal with and whoever he replaces him with better be off the charts immdeiately.
by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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