Trufant agrees with Seahawks -- Benchmark for Newman?
by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Mar 26, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Marcus Trufant has agreed to a 6 year/$50.2 million deal, of which $20 million is guaranteed, with the Seattle Seahawks. That contract pays $28 million over the first 3 years.
Full article by John Clayton of ESPN can be found here.
Important points from the article:
All along, Trufant wanted to stay in Seattle.
The temporary roadblock was the franchise tag [which] gave the Seahawks all of the leverage in the negotiations.
Four defensive players restructured their contracts in order to help fit the deal into the team's tight salary cap.
Trufant had told the Seahawks he would be willing to take a hometown discount on a long-term deal.
The article goes on to quote the deals from recent blockbuster CB signings:
Asante Samuel 6/57
Nate Clements 8/80
DeAngelo Hall 7/70
I think quite a few of these factors will have to be in play in order for Newman to remain a Cowboy. And he will expect Trufant's deal (6/50) at the minimum for his services. The plus is that he is better than Trufant, but on the minus side, he is 29 whereas Trufant is 27.
In my opinion, 6/50 for Newman would be a steal. Hopefully, he loves Dallas enough to stay. What do you think?
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Newman will be signed to a long term
deal by the end of next season, a six year deal at fifty million is a good deal, and I think he'd rather play his entire career in Dallas.
I'm not worried about Newman turning thirty, he's been injury free up to last year. He's always in great shape and there isn't alot of wear and tear on his body, as long as we keep him off the punt return team, thats where he's taken big shots. I think Newman is a Darrell Green type of corner, that guy played twenty years in the league, and as long as Newman takes care of himself and avoids a major injury, he'll be very good underrated cover corner for six more years.
by Deke on Mar 26, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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In my opinion, 6/50 for Newman would be a steal.
Agreed. But a lot of this will be dependent upon what happens with the other guys (T.O., MB3, Canty, Hamlin, etc.). As far as production is concerned, Newman deserves just as much as Samuel, Clements, and Hall are getting. But that damn Salary Cap....
by Nelson on Mar 26, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not getting a long term deal here guys
the bar was set with the Samuel, Hall contracts and now Trufant which is in the same range.
Newman does deserve a contract a big money contract, but he is not getting it at 31. I doubt even Al Davis would've gave Hall a contract like he did if he was 31. These other teams don't have a boat load of other players that need to get signed within the next year either.
Newman is going to be franchised next year or he will have to agree on a 3-4 year deal if he wants to remain a Cowboy. We have to get MB3, Hamlin, Canty and Ware an extension before we start handing out big money contracts to an aging CB.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 26, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to disagree here..
In my opinion, signing Newman is considerably more important than signing Canty and Hamlin and way, way more important than signing Barber. The only two players on the team that have contracts due in the next two years that are as important as Newman are Ware and TO. Those three players are true difference-makers at the three most important positions in football after QB. If you don't have studs at the impact positions, it doesn't matter if you have the best safeties and running back in the league. You aren’t going to be successful.
by Cowboy Louie on Mar 26, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to disagree in part
Canty is arguable and he wouldn't cost much anyway. Hamlin is the most important player to get re-signed behind MB3. Last season was the first time in a long time we saw some stability in the backfield and it should improve even more once Roy is gone. Hamlin is in the prime of his career. Newman is on the downslide whether anyone wants to agree or not. At 31 Newman's skill are going to diminish, not get better. Just like running backs, cornerbacks start regressing with age which is why many are moved to the nickel or safety. Like I said I love Newman, but his age is going to be a huge factor and from the way he was talking on Serius Radio he is not taking a home town discount.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 26, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are alone on this one
Newman skills are diminishing?
I hope this is ok with Grizz, but here is a link to another Cowboys blog that is run by a pretty knowledgeable guy. He frequently asks the ESPN analyst who writes Scientific Football, KC Joyner, question and get responses. Go read the post entitled "Pay The Man" It might enlighten you.
by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I know, but it makes sense
Why do you think Jerry is trying to make this trade for Pacman? It's to cover himself in case Newman is not resigned next season. We can't over pay for a 31 yr. old CB, that's just plain stupid whether he is liked or not. Those are the type of deals that get you into cap trouble. Newman is not 24, he will be 31 next season.
Good organizations know when to cut the ties with aging players. If we didn't have so many other FAs to sign next year I would say Newman has a better chance at getting a bigger contract, but he is not.
Newman is going to be slapped with the franchise tag for one season or allowed to walk, bank on it.
Newmans skills will diminish and when they do it will be fast and noticable. It happens to everyone especially RB's and CB's after 30 yrs old.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 27, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman will be the next Cowboy signed
to a long term deal, its definitely going to happen whether you think its a good idea or not.
If Jones is counting on PacMan to evetually replace Newman, he's an absolute moron which I know is not the case.
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that bet that Newman will not
MB3 or Hamlin will be the next ones signed. Those players are younger and have more upside than Newman at this point of their careers. Newman is becoming a little long in the tooth. He is on down slide of his career as the others are in the prime and have plenty of years ahead of them.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 27, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I obviously disagree with your assessment
of Newman and I'm willing to take your bet that the Cowboys feel the same way.
Newman is in the prime of his career and isn't close to slowing down any time soon. I think you're relying on age too much which is the flaw in your analysis. You have to go by years played when judging wear and tear, just like you do with a vehicle and miles, not chronlogical age.
Newman has only played in the league for 5 years so in reality he has at least 5 more really good years before he'll start slowing down, his actual age doesn't matter.
Newman will be signed this year before the season is over and you can take that to the bank, it will happen.
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you do it?
I want to peek through your crystal ball.
First, you're certain T.O. has 3 more good years left, and now you're sure that Newman has 5 good years left.
Do you have friends on the Cowboys' staff? Or do they send you copies of their physicals? Do tell -- I am absolutely intrigued.
by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Mar 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its just common sense
regarding Newman because he's only played 5 years, it doesn't make sense he would start to slow down only playing in the league that short of a period. If he was a head bashing RB like Earl Campbell, then I could see Cowboys81 point, but Newman is a cover corner who isn't getting smahed up every game. As long as his wheels are fine, he'll be fine.
Regarding T.O., I obviously believe his personal trainer who knows his body better than anyone and is trained to know how long his body will last. If anyone is an expert on T.O.'s longevity, its him. If he says T.O. can play until he's 39 or 40 without slowing down, who's to question him?
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in your defense
Here is an article in the NY Times about consistent training allowing regular people to stave off the normal effects of aging.
by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Mar 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, the aging process can definitely
be slowed down to the point that it will seem like you're not aging at all. If you really watch your diet and exercise, don't smoke, drink in moderation, get enough sleep, there is no question you can age slower than the average person.
Pro athletes are a great example of this at work, espeically guys like T.O.
by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Cowboy81 on this one................
I'd ride Newman out, franchise him for next season, then work on a cap friendly 3-4 year extention at about 7-8 mil/per if he remains healthy these next two seasons...He is/will not be worth anything near 10 million at the age of 31......!!!
If he will sign for something closer to Trufants numbers...i'd like to keep him around...but if he thinks he should be getting 9-10 million per....he's out of his mind...and over valuing himself. Show me 16 starts, and a return to the pro bowl in '08...then maybe we talk.
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good comparison contract
I think Newman should get about the same. This deal seems about right given Trufant's age and ability, and I'd say the same metrics should apply to Newman (older, but better). If Newman doesn't play hardball, this is what he'll get. And we should re-sign him for that price. Sure, he may not be worth his salary in 5-6 years, but the team is gonna be in cap hell at that point barring some kind of uncapped salary purges. The remainder of Newman's productive career is about what our window looks like anyway.
by grapejoos on Mar 26, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This deal would be about what I expect
Newman will be signed to by Dallas. Maybe a little more, but not much.
He and Ware will get the biggest contracts on defense. I'm sure Dallas will also try to get Canty extended, but Ware and Newman are the most important.
by APerfectStar on Mar 26, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I'm a little bit uplifted by this contract. Newman wouldn't expect this much; he's better than Trufant, bbut the three-year gap is absolutely huge. Most corners fall off pretty noticable at 33-34. If this is indicaative of what the market is like and T-New is willing to take a little hometown discount (just like Trufant probably did) we could probably get him at 5/45, which I'd have absolutely no problem with.
by BudLight on Mar 26, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep, this means Newman will be signed
its pretty much guaranteed with that benchmark, Jerry won't mind paying 8-9 mil a year for one of the best CBs in the game.
Like Deke said, its as good as done.
by Terry on Mar 26, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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