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No prime-time game for the Dallas Cowboys in week one

The prime-time schedule for the first week of the 2008 season was announced today; surprisingly Dallas was left off the list.

Green Bay will host Minnesota on Sept. 8 in a Monday night game on ESPN. That game will start at 7 p.m. ET and will be followed by Denver at Oakland at 10:15.

The Super Bowl champion Giants will host the Redskins Sept. 4 in the opening game of the season at 7 p.m. on NBC. The Colts will host the Bears in a Sunday night (Sept. 7) game on NBC.

The schedule for the Thanksgivings Day games should have been announced today, yet will most likely come out tomorrow.

When the opening day game was announced I thought it an odd choice to pit the defending Super Bowl champions against the Washington Redskins. I guess the league is still looking to ride the big run the 'Skins had at the end of last season. The fact that the Cowboys played the Giants opening night last year on NBC was probably the main deterrent is not working a rematch of the playoff game into opening night. I can understand that but it would have been one heck of week leading up to it.

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The league worked out all the compensatory picks for this year's draft and the Cowboys ended up with none. That's a good sign that your team did a good job improving the year before. The Cowboys signed Ken Hamlin and Leonard Davis and the biggest offseason loss was special teams ace Ryan Fowler.

With the compensatory picks out of the way, the full draft schedule is now in place. The Cowboys' picks will work out like this:

First round - Nos. 22 (from Cleveland), 28
Second round - No. 61
Third round - No. 92
Fourth round - No. 126
Fifth round - No. 163
Sixth round - No. 167 (from Miami for Jason Ferguson trade)
Seventh round - No. 235

Hat tip to DeRat for posting the story in his diary.

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SI.com lists some risers and sliders headed into the draft and CB Justin King tops the list.

Scouts are rethinking that opinion as King's combination of athleticism, intelligence (he graduated from PSU early) as well as his high character now has him on the verge of breaking into in the first round.

It would be interesting to have one of the best all around character guys in the draft on the same team as Pacman Jones.

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Another day, another chapter in the never ending Pacman Jones trade saga. Something we all have to remember about this whole thing is that there is no guarantee Roger Goodell will reinstate Pacman anytime soon. The commissioner issued a brief statement today on the situation.

Addressing the "Adam" Jones suspension today, commissioner Roger Goodell had this to say: "In my last correspondence with Adam, I told him that I would make a decision prior to the start of training camp. I have seen some of his recent comments that he made on the Michael Irvin radio show, and I think some of those comments are encouraging. I always said he has to accept responsibility for his actions, and that when he does, I would reconsider his status."

Alex Marvez at Foxsports.com talks about how Pacman's recent comments have not exactly won everyone over.

But just because acquiring Jones makes sense for the Cowboys doesn't make it right — especially while he is barred.

Goodell said some of the comments Jones made about his past actions last week during a lengthy radio interview were "encouraging." Yet there also were times Jones continued to make excuses for his troubles. Jones even admitted he wasn't necessarily going to stay out of strip clubs forever despite the problems he has encountered there.

I have remained a bit silent amidst all of the Pacman Jones drama. I wanted to make sure that I truly assessed the situation before flying off the cuff and making statements based on my personal emotions. This is a tough situation to deal and one that is completely different than what Cowboys fans went through two years ago when Terrell Owens was signed. I had slowly started coming around and had come to a point where I would accept Pacman Jones as a player on my favorite team if he was able to stay out of trouble. Yet today I watched a video about the bouncer who was paralyzed in the infamous Vegas strip club incident.

I find myself completely torn about this whole thing. Ever since hearing the true nature of Pacman's past I have felt that he no longer belonged in the NFL unless he received professional counseling. While I do not think that Pacman is completely to blame for Tom Urbanski getting shot, his decisions throughout his life have yet to show that he learns from mistakes and respects the authority of those around him. This player is in a different situation than any of the other Dallas Cowboys problem players of the "white house" era.; what those guys were doing was only hurting themselves. Pacman has been involved in incidents that could and have hurt other people; Pacman's statements on the Michael Irvin show came far from convincing me he had learned his lesson. It was just too rehearsed and coached.

On the other hand, I think Roger Goodell needs to go ahead and make a decision one way or the other. If he does in fact reinstate Pacman and the Cowboys make the trade for him, what will I do? Well, I have no choice but to begrudgingly cheer him on as a Cowboys fan. You just have to hope that he truly has learned his lesson and stays clean for the duration of his time in a Cowboys uniform.

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Its definitely not a certainly that

Goodell will reinstate Pacman so Jerry really needs to assess this trade with this fact in mind. I think its very risky not knowing when or if he'll play again.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 31, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

My love for the Cowboys does not supercede

my ethics and moral convictions.  I probably won't cheer for him unless he does some great philanthropic gesture to make up for his past transgressions, which probably won't happen.

by quincyyyyy on Mar 31, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Something Like

Providing for that bouncer the rest of his life?

That would be a start...

by Far Rider on Apr 1, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pacman

I'm not really sure I understand why most Cowboy fans are salivating at the idea of the acquisition of Pacman Jones.  Yes, he's a great talent and we need corners in a big way, but I just don't subscribe to that "win at all costs" mentality.  When you root for your favorite team, you are rooting for the individual players that make up that team.  Personally, I want to root for players that I can respect and players that have diginity and not some thug that hasn't learned anything from his one year suspension.  He isn't sorry for anything he has done and the only thing he has learned is that he needs to do a better job of improving his image so he'll be allowed back into the league.  I want the Cowboys to win as much as anyone, but he is NOT the difference between us winning or not winning the Super Bowl.  The Giants had quite a rag tag secondary when they entered the playoffs, a group that the Cowboys were going to expose, let they beat every team in their path.  The Cowboys have the core to win it all without Pacman...why be known as the team that takes all troublemakers?  Just when the Cowboys were starting to turn the corner with a better image with strong character players like Romo, Barber, Witten, Ware, Newman...JJ wants to take a risk by bringing in the biggest thug in the entire league.  I think it's a shame and I hope the commissioner sees through his phoney act and decides to keep him out for another year.

by Sam @ Blogging The Boys on Mar 31, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Just curious

Did you also apply the same rules to:

Erik Williams
Michael Irvin
Leon Lett
Antonio Bryant
Barry Switzer
Alvin Harper

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

different scenario

those players got in trouble after they were Cowboys, not before they were acquired. Big difference.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

How?

They were still players who were on the wrong side of the law yet continued to play and be cheered here, except for Bryant.

After all, Irvin is the one who infamously bragged that after scoring a few touchdowns Dallas fans would forgive his actions.

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah.

You just have to hope that he truly has learned his lesson and stays clean for the duration of his time in a Cowboys uniform.

That's really all we can do at this point.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Apr 1, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I could care less

I dont care what kind of guy a guy is off the field. As long as he makes plays on Sunday. Thats just me. I dont cheer for guys because they are great fathers, or husbands, or contributors to their communities. All that is a bonus, but not a requisite.

Whether you spend your downtime volunteering at the Boys and Girls club, or makin it rain makes zero difference to me.

As long as Pacman stays out of trouble enough to stay on the field, dont care what he does.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 1, 2008 12:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Did anybody see....

Did anybody see Young Buck hanging around Pacman at that charity basketball game? Gotta admit that made me a little nervous.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 1, 2008 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

GloryDayz, considering who the commish is

as a Cowboys fan you should very much care what players do off the field as it directly corresponds to whether they'll allowed to actually get on the field.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Look, there's nothing fun about rooting for thugs.  I take no pleasure in the idea.  But the point is to win, and I actually DO think that Pacman is good enough to be the difference for this team in winning or losing a big playoff game.  He's a pro-bowl level CB and return guy, and we need both.  He's cheap, and we can't afford anything else.  The shoe fits.

We're Cowboys fans, and we've been here before in many ways.  Having rooted for the likes of Irvin, Erik Williams, Leon Lett, Nate Newton, etc., it's not like there haven't been productive Cowboy players who have been in trouble with the law.  We've also encountered situations where guys have been hated, come in, and been real team players for the Cowboys (Deion and TO).  Now, Pacman isn't the same here, but there's two points here.  One, good play on the field (and championships) can make fans forget about a lot of stupid acts off of it.  Two, people are capable of redemption.  

I think that Pacman isn't beyond redemption, and I'm willing to give him a chance, knowing full well that it's about an even chance he ends up back in trouble right away.  I might not be so willing to take on every bad seed, but this bad seed is exactly what the Cowboys need on the football field for a price that we can afford.  The risk is minimal, the potential reward is great.  That's the pro-Pacman argument.

by grapejoos on Apr 1, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly Brandon.

I feel conflicted about it also.  A couple differences with the TO trade.  TO is probably the No. 2 receiver in the league and his problems concerned the relationships in the locker room.  PacMan is not the No. 2 CB, he might be in the top 10.  So the talent level is not the same.  Also, we had mediocrity (Keyshawn and TG) at WR before.  Right now, we've got a great starter (probably top 10) and a league average starter.  Our big problem is the No. 3 CB.  

Basically, it's a long way of saying we don't need PacMan as much as we needed TO.  I didn't like TO when he was dissing the Cowboys, but I was excited about how good a player we were getting.  I felt that Parcells would keep him under control.  

PacMan can't even get the coached, well-rehearsed statements down well.  It makes me ridiculously nervous...

"It was a 4-yard run taking the scenic route." -Joe Buck on Romo's Run

by GhettoBear04 on Apr 1, 2008 1:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I Think All Pacman Wants To Do..

is get on a team.  Any team.  His lipservice about wanting to be a Cowboy sounds nice, but not very convincing to me.  His comments on Michael's show, even the coached lines he remembered to say, didn't have a shread of "I get it now" in them.  His problem in my opinion is maturity.  He has none.
Can you imagine being so stupid that you couldn't promise that you would never go back to a strip bar?
Maybe that was core honesty speaking, but it also says that he just doesn't have the good sense to realize that is his central problem and the one everyone would be watching him on.  

by Far Rider on Apr 1, 2008 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

IMO I think Pacman has very low
intelligence, I think I remember that he only scored a 13 on his wonderlic test which is a very low score.

To be brutally blunt, the kid is really stupid and I don't care how talented you are, smart wins in this league, not stupid.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you go by Wonderlic

then the Titans are screwed at QB!

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought thats obvious

you really don't think Young will actually be a good qb in this league, do you?

Probably one of the most overrated players in the league as media pundits fall in love with super athetic QBs like they did with THE most overrated player of all time, Michael Vick.

Young's passing skills, like Vick's, are just horrendous.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Tians release Young today

he would have 31 teams calling for his services, most of whom would make him their starting QB.  

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree he could only start for teams

that have very marginal QBs, which IMO only include about 10-15 teams.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think Young could be a good QB in time, but he's not one yet.  The guy didn't run a full playbook in college, so it's going to take time for him to learn one at the NFL level and learn how to make the plays with his brain, not just his body.  There's no reason to throw the guy away now, but I don't think he's a better QB now or in the immediate future than half of the teams in the league have (though there are plenty of bad starting QBs out there).

by grapejoos on Apr 1, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never said he was a top-tier QB

But I'm curious where you think he'll project career-wise since you claimed Pacman was dumb for having a score that's over twice as high as Youngs.

I do agree on Vick being one of the more overrated QBs out there, but that's Vick's fault for not working on his dropback skills.

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Young will ever be a top tier QB

his career will be a lot like Vick's, other than the dog fighting hopefully.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

well vick has got some playoffs wins...

so let's hope romo's career mimicks that. dogfighting aside.

by Tuna Helper on Apr 1, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

and no disrespect to romo...

but vince young had the greatest game of his career in the biggest game of his career....romo has yet to prove he can handle that type of pressure...i'm not trying to start a flame war here but just wanted to point out romo has flaws as well just like vick and young.....i'll take romo though cause i feel like eventually he'll get over the hump and get the monkey off his back...

by Tuna Helper on Apr 1, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

TH, you know as well as I do that

Romo is worlds better than Young and Vick because he has the ability to stand in the pocket and deliver accurate passes, unlike either one of those guys.

As far has handling pressure, Romo is much better in that area as well, as I have yet to see him fold under pressure from the qb position, although I've seen his teammates fold under pressure.

Vick and Young have proved nothing, winning the national title by running the ball means nothing regarding his ability to play the qb position in the NFL.

So what if Vick won a few playoff games, so did Rex Grossman so I don't know what that proves.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

well...winning one proves a lot...

and romo has yet to do it. just saying. you can argue he's better all night long cause i happen to agree with you on that point.

by Tuna Helper on Apr 1, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

If his career is like Vick

then that's not bad, I'm sure Titan fans would be happy with that...assuming they don't have to deal with the Ron Mexico, dog fighting, hippy lettuce incidents.

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

if his career is like Vicks I'd consider him

a total failure as Vick has done nothing in this league.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adding to that

Here are some infamous scores

Quincy Carter - 30
Dan Marino -  16
Michael Vick - 20
Steve McNair - 15
David Klinger - 30
Jim Kelly - 15
Donovan McNabb - 12 (Other sites have 14)
Drew Henson - 42
Joey Harrington - 32
On the plus side, Romo scored a 37

So I wouldn't call Wonderlic a know-all to future success.

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your quote

"I don't care how talented you are, smart wins in this league, not stupid."

You made this comment while reflecting his wonderlic exam, if you're referring to something else then what?  And why bring up wonderlic at all?

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

because the NFL uses it to evaluate

intelligence among draft prospects. I think the Patriots have proven how valuable intelligent players are to the success of a franchise.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again

where does it say wonderlic = success??  Where does it say intelligence = superbowl contender???

And I'm curious how you came to Patriots being a smart team, did you just make that up or do you have proof?  

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the "smart" theory.....

is a little overblown. do you really think the patriots are just smarter than everyone, so that's why they win all the time? was emmitt, troy and irvin just that much more intelligent?

i think their success has everything to do with the intelligent and physical attributes of randy moss and the brillance of tom brady than, across the board, they have smarter players who are semi-geniuses on the field. the same with the troy, emmitt and irvin. it was the combination of skill, intelligence and leadership qualities.

from my vantage point, it's hard to be dumb and be successful in the NFL. you have to study a lengthy playbook, learn audibles, think on the fly, learn clock management, learn different playbooks from different coaches, learn different defensive schemes, etc. not saying it can't happen but i think it's hard.

not to mention, intelligence is not a vacuum. you can be intelligent and make dumb mistakes. you can be intelligent and still be immature. lawrence taylor was said to have a high football IQ but he's done some dumb things off the field. i remember people talking about how smart chad hutchinson and drew henson were. two grads from standford and michigan. just saying.

preparation, in my opinion, does not equal intelligence. it seems like the pats and the colts are extremely prepared. that speaks to their excellence. but i wouldn't necessarily say they are smarter. intelligence can be judged different ways and its presumptuous to assume it.

my views on the wonderlic are that its a decent tool but not a thorough indicator. there is no comprehensive indicator of success on the football field or intelligence on it except strappin' it up and doing it. competition is the best indicator IMO and will always be. now there's a substantial side industry of scouts and draft projectors who get paid a lot of money to say that ain't true. but I think the facts bear out the truth.  

sorry for being long-winded and rambling a bit. had to do something in-between cooking chicken breats and hot wings! lol.

by Tuna Helper on Apr 1, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think its common knowledge that the Pats

draft and acquire intelligent players, Paoli and Bellichick are on record as saying as much.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

they also are on record of saying...

they didn't cheat....which we all know is untrue...

and, i mean, what do you think they're going to say? they draft DUMB players?

i think a more accurate description is that they would say they draft intelligent, playmakers who FIT THEIR SYSTEM. intelligent players who have slow 40 times who can't play the 3-4 aren't going to work.

guess my point is, i just think the "intelligent" player theory is overblown. it's one aspect. but you still gotta be strong, fast and big. not to mention mature with some leadership qualities. and a bit lucky. brady in the six-round? moss for a fourth-rounder? shoot. getting romo as an undrafted free agent? you see my point.

it takes a myriad of things, IMO.

by Tuna Helper on Apr 1, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Adam Jones

Was on the academic honor roll in college, if I recall correctly. That doesn't necessarily speak of intelligence, but it does show you that he's committed to learning, growing, improving himself.

http://heartbreakplex.blogspot.com/

by BudLight @ Blogging The Boys on Apr 1, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

what was his major, basket weaving??

Now thats really funny, thanks for the laugh this morning.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 1, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not quite basket weaving..

Jones also was an Athletic Coaching Education major and a member of the Athletic Director's Academic Honor Roll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacman_...

I'm sure he had to write down his name to get an A, but I must admit I didn't expect that.  

by grapejoos on Apr 1, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

This just in...

West Virginia has the easiest Athletic Coaching Education (whatever the hell that is) in the world.
LOL

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Apr 1, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also just in...

Academics for players at football factory schools are a complete joke.

It's not a credit to Pacman, but it is at least a rare example of something in his past that you can't bash.  So there's that.

by grapejoos on Apr 2, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

ummm...he was an honors student
True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 3, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing that scares me about Pacman

is that Jerry/Wade don't have the stones to disclipline/release him if he doesn't behave himself here.

If that's the case then our problems are much larger than the character actions of one player.

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Pacman

Jones is going to acquire Pacman.

Pacman will continue to have trouble "follow him around".

Everytime trouble happens..the Dallas Cowboys will be mentioned in the same sentence.

Pacman will be suspended.

In week 14 this season or next, Joe No-Name Cornerback from the practice squad will be our third corner back since we counted on someone you CANNOT count on.

Will Pacman help us win a Superbowl and what will it cost us to bring him here?
IMHO: No SB and too much cost.

The argument about Irving, Haley, Switzer, and all previous Cowboys..so why not Pacman is B.S....
Pacman does not hold himself accountable and is involved with murderous activities.  That is the big difference.  

I hope the kid changes..but he blew it.  He should not be allowed to be a part of an organization whose members to whom many I hold to be my heroes.

The Boys are Back!

by tbone @ Blogging The Boys on Apr 1, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Murderous activities?

Not sure I know what you're referring to there.  Clearly he's been a bad guy, and I don't think anyone is disputing that.  I just think it's a curious line to draw for a team that has had a lot of players with a lot of legal and personal problems in the past.  

The first time Pacman gets in trouble in Dallas, he won't be a Cowboy anymore, so I don't see how he's bringing down the franchise.  As for professing that he'll never change his ways and that trouble will continue to find him, we shall see.  It's all speculation right now.

And as for the argument that we'll end up with a practice squad CB as our #3 when Pacman gets in trouble, that would only be the case if we draft stupidly or have a horrific rash of injuries.  Pacman helps our CB depth, not hurts it, as long as Jerry doesn't forget who he's dealing with and draft a CB in the first two rounds.

by grapejoos on Apr 1, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

The last "incident" where Pacman was present, nobody was murdered, they were just shot:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...

Sounds like a quality guy..let's sign him.

Let's play a little game.  What does not fit?

Mel Renfro
Rayfield Wright
Roger Staubach
Michael Irvin
Tony Dorsett
Darren Woodson
Troy Aikman
Bob Lilly
Adam "Pacman" Jones
Randy White
Lance Alworth
Herb Adderley

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by tbone @ Blogging The Boys on Apr 1, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Something happened where he was, because he caused a commotion.  Very unfortunate and not smart, but it's not like he shot anyone or even told anyone to shoot anyone.  That incident brings to mind Ray Lewis' situation, where someone actually was killed.  Not a good situation to be involved in and tragic, but I would still have taken Ray Lews as a football player in spite of that.

I don't think anyone is changing their minds on this, so I'm not going to argue it to death anymore than I have.  We'll all have to wait and see what happens.

by grapejoos on Apr 1, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

When was Irvin accountable?

When he was caught?
When he walked into court wearing a mink coat?
When he tried to coerce a witness a month later?
When he was caught on film 2 months later buying coke?

or

The first day of court when all his bad habits starting coming out in the open?

Question #2 - When did Irvin behave himself and be a model citizen?
A) After any of the above incidents?

or

B) When a nut-cracker judge put Irvin on some of the harshest probations recorded with a threat of 10 years beind bars?
B-1) When he lost out on a Fox gig after being caught nude with a woman the cops were busting for drugs?

BTW, Erik Williams was never accountable (See his first rape accusation, drunken wreck).  Heck his last year as a Cowboy he purposely held out to avoid having to go to Wichita Falls and he was arrested for dope shortly after his career ended.

And it doesn't matter which team it is, if your third cornerback is a nobody your secondary is one injury away from being screwed, or "Jacques Reevesed"

by Taylor on Apr 1, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on now.

You know the mink coat was officially "pimp move of the decade."

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 1, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Nothing screams, "I don't do coke with women of questionable backgrounds in hotel rooms!", than wearing a mink coat to court.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Apr 1, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

It sure was.  He was making it rain before anyone knew what that meant.

by grapejoos on Apr 2, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

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