Schefter: Pacman deal back on, Cowboys and Titans talking
by Dave Halprin on Apr 13, 2008 2:13 PM CDT
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Adam Schefter is reporting on the Pacman trade heating up – again – and that it could be completed by next week. Usually, I trust Schefter, he is almost always on the money with his reports. But in the Pacman Saga, he said once or twice that a Pacman trade is imminent...and it wasn’t. Here’s his latest:
The Cowboys and Titans spent Saturday going back and forth on proposals, getting considerably closer to a trade that would send talented, but troubled, cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones to Dallas.
One person familiar with the talks said they were nearing a deal, but it was not done yet. However, it now sounds as if it could be done this week, well before the April 26-27 draft.
Schefter adds this at the end.
Should the trade become official, it would not change Dallas' draft strategy in any way. The Cowboys would proceed as if they did not have Jones, as if they still had a need at cornerback, knowing they could not count on Jones to be reinstated.
I don’t know if I’m buying this in total. I think the Cowboys will be able to wait to draft a CB who maybe represents great value in the 2nd or 3rd round if they have Pacman. The Cowboys are trading for Pacman with the anticipation that he will be reinstated by training camp. Of course they think he’ll be playing this year if they trade for him. They do need to protect themselves in case something goes wrong so they’ll pick up a CB or two in the draft, but they won’t be as pressured to do it in the first round like they would with no Pacman.
Hat tip to BTB-regular thebigham for the link in the comments.
Also, good comment from BTB-regular Baked Potato Soup on the article. It was something I was going to write, but he beat me to the punch in the comments.
I didn't know that we were asking them to offer a conditional pick if he got in trouble again. I can see why they would balk at that, since the reason they want to get rid of him is to not worry about what he's up to anymore. Or maybe that was Jerry's ace in the hole, have a condition that he knows is unreasonable, then as a good will gesture, he can remove that and get the deal he wanted all along - Pacman for a sixth. I love that the Cowboys called their bluff, and now hopefully won't give in.
Update [2008-4-13 15:31:4 by Dave Halprin (Grizz)]: A Nashville paper has more on the story with a quote from a Pacman attorney that confirms new dialogue has been going on.
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I disagree Grizz
I think the Cowboys have to draft as if Pacman isn't signed, to do otherwise is foolish.
by Terry on Apr 13, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Depth at RB and CB are the largest holes ...
That is why I stand by my statement that we should draft 2 RBs and look for 3 CBs ... Pacman would be one of them, but I still think we should consider a 1st round CB pick. Then again, if we get Pacman and then use the two 1st round picks to move up for a quality RB, I would not complain. Talk about a splash. It's likely we will see a quality CB and/or RB still on the board for our 2nd round pick. In fact, I think it's worth trading UP into the second round or third round to get another "second tier" RB / CB.
Disclaimer: I don't follow this stuff like a lot of you guys, so most of my knowledge is heresay... and I do appreciate all of info BTB staff and comments offer.
by DalaiLuke on Apr 13, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree witrh Grizz.....unless...
IF we ever make this deal...There is no pressing NEED to make our first round selection a CB...Unless DRC, McKelvin, or Jenkins falls to us at #22 or we should draft up to get one of these guys....Why ?.... The way I see it...ALL 3 of those cornerbacks are still somewhat unpolished, and won't be starting for us at CB right away. ALL 3 can be given time to learn the system, the schemes, the formations, as well as get stronger, bigger, faster...and they ALL can also be looked at as possible Free Safeties...Jenkins was an exceptional safety in high school, McKelvin is a great canidate to make the switch...and DRC simply would dominate the free safety position...he's extremely quick to recognize and has the burst to cover the whole field....So, we not only would have insurance in case Pacman continues to be Pacman, we also have insurance in case we cut Roy and/or Henry in '09, or can't resign Hamlin and/or Newman....
My dream '09 starting secondary
CB1- Terrence Newman
CB2 Adam Jones
SS1- Ken Hamlin
FS1- Dominique Rodgers Cromartie
This means Roy Williams and Anthony Henry are the odd men out...oh well...That's over 10 million of cap money used to resign Newman and Hamlin....good deal.
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you smoking while watching the Masters?
You want to draft a top flight CB and convert him to a FS, then throw away two players (one of which is a 1st round pick as a safety and a perenial Pro-bowl player even if we don't like him) and the other was a 10 million dollar signing bonus a few years ago.
Meanwhile - we have CB depth that looks like Newman, a suspended A Jones, Alan Ball, Olgilvy and. . .?
Wait a minute though. . . can resign a FS that you already said wasn't worth the 7 million it would take to sign him next year and Newman. . .I'm going to suggest that Tiger's lack of a run has you thinking craziness.
by JerrodWheeler on Apr 13, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your post made sense...i'd reply...
Yes....I am totally on board with releasing or trading Roy Williams and Anthony Henry the first moment we get after this season...After hear that football really doesn't mean all that much to him, was the final nail in an already half buried coffin that he lies in.....He hasn't shown me crap in two years..He couldn't cover a Tackle eligible, and he has bounced off of more tackles these past few years, that somebody on here...and i'm sorry i've forgotten...but dubbed Roy " Baby Seal" Williams...He doesn't have his bone jarring hits, and seldom wraps up his tackles...He's become a detriment to our advancement in the secondary..and I'd rather overpay Hamlin at 7 mil, and play him at SS, than see Roy continue on...Courtney Brown and Patrick Watlkins may be able to handle the FS duties......BUT....If I can grab DRC and have him take on the Free Safety spot....I'd do that instead...in a heartbeat... If Pacman failsa....we got DRC to play CB....then Watkins or Brown to take over FS.....As far as Henry....He won't be kept on to be a back up...He may switch to FS if we don't sign Hamlin...but if he misses more games this season...it's time to let him go ....
Fact is....Pacman would be Henry's replacement...ok,
Do you keep Henry and his 5 million dollar salary as a back up ? .. Highly unlikely
Do you switch Henry over to FS when Hamlin leaves after this season ? ....That can happen if Hamlin's gone. Then DRC would become nickle CB or starter if Newman goes unsigned...
Do you release Roy Williams and his 6 million dollar salary after this season ? ..No skin off my back
Do you resign Terrence Newman to a 9 million a year extention ? I sure wouldn't pay that much to an ailing, aging CB....but if he'll except a more cap friendly deal..i'd like to keep him here...
Do you resign Hamlin to a 7 million a year contract ? ... If we have to pay market value to keep this guy...maybe we should, I wouldn't, but if stability means that much to you......at least he's only 27 years old...and has proven he can lead this secondary.
Roy Willims should not be here in '09 if he fails to produce in coverage this year. Anthony Henry should not be here in '09 if he's unable to remain healthy. Newman should not be here next year if he expects to make more than 8 million a year.
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does your response mean my post did make sense?
So. . .over simplifying your post. . .if RW can't cover, Henry can't stay healthy and Newman wants to get paid then we should pitch them all out and run with a secondary of DRC, Adam Jones, Hamlin (at market value) and Watkins?
Oy vey. . .
by JerrodWheeler on Apr 13, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now I'm scared
Roy, Henry, and Newman are all going to get thrown overboard?? Well, I guess we can move Felix Jones to defensive back. We're going to need him!!LOL
by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess you need to keep up....
After this season is over....Newman and Hamlin will no longer be under contract....Am I right ???..yes
Have you heard of any negotiations going on with either player ??? ....no
Are you assuming that both players will be resigned at a combined total of about 100 million ???....cuz that's about what it will take...
Assuming Adam Jones is aquired at a bargain price, and takes over the starting CB duties,
Do you think the Cowboys will keep a 33 year old Anthony Henry around to play 3rd CB at over 5 million a year ?....c' mon guy..
If you indeed feel we are going to resign Newman and Hamlin no matter what,
Where is this money, and extra cap space coming from oy vey one ?
It's called addition by subtraction...and Henry and Williams are the most overpaid for their value to the team......cut ties guy...
Do you want Roy and Henry OR Newman and Hamlin....
It's actual that simple guy...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really
think that Dallas is going to let one of the best CB's in the league in Newman go?? I don't think they'll resign Hamlin but Newman is here to stay.
As for Henry, how can you talk about how expensive CB's are and then balk at paying Henry $5 mill a year?? Have you seen what nobodies like Reeves are getting in this market?? He's getting $4mill a year himself. You have to replace Henry with someone. You have to have someone to play that #3 CB position no matter what. Henry is a bargain at that price. What you proposed in your first post was possibly rolling with PacMan, DRC, Hamlin, and Watkins or Brown at the FS spot. That's one guy in PacMan that you don't know when he's going to implode. A rookie who we don't really know if he can play yet. Hamlin who is proven and Watkins or Brown who haven't shown a single thing on the field yet. Sorry, I think that's crazy.
How 'bout we trade for PacMan and his extremely reasonable contract. We let him fight for the #2 CB spot with Henry and his now very reasonable contract. Whoever loses out in that fight gets to be our very, very good #3 CB making a decent, but not cap busting contract. Then we just decide who we're going to keep between the safeties, Roy or Hamlin. I'd vote for Hamlin but who knows?? Like you said, we could move Henry to FS, still at a reasonable price, and we'd roll out an excellent secondary and the only guy who'd be making more than he's making now is Newman.
by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Do you think that Dallas is going to let one of the best CB's in the league in Newman go??
Most definitely. NE did with Samuel and he is younger and a better CB than Newman. Newman is good, but not great a CB. He will be 31 next September. The asking price is going to be too expensive to pay for an aging CB. If Pacman is signed and we draft a quality CB in the first round Newman is going to have very little leverage on getting a new contract. Hamlin is going to be resigned before Newman count on it.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 13, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Samuel isn't half as good as Newman
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I'm dead serious
I think you're the only person on the planet who thinks Samuel is better besides delusional Iggles fans.
Samuel is probably one of the most overrated CBs in the league. There's a reason he has so many INTs, QBs know their WRs can beat him.
T New doesn't get as many INTs because QBs are afraid to throw his way.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a few others here that think
the same and I'm sure if Newman was ranked in the national media Newman wouldn't be a top 5 CB. He's just not that great of a CB. I'm just calling it like it is.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no you're not, anyone who knows football
knows Newman is easily a top 5 CB without question. Ask any scout, GM or coach and they will tell you Newman is one of the very best cover corners in the game today.
You can't simply evaluate or judge CBs on INTs, real football people don't do that, just a lot of the media who don't know very much.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry you have much to learn
INT's is a big part of being a very good CB. That's just the way it is. The difference between being a good CB and a very good one is making plays. That being INT's, forcing fumbles, blocking passes, etc.. Newman hasn't been very good at all those things. He is a good cover CB no question about it, but not one of the elite CB's in the league. The reason he will not get a extension. Newman is just not worth 10 mil a year considering his age and what he has done.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subject lines are stupid
I dont think just because a CB gets alot of INTs makes him a good corner. Id much rather a corner carry a reputation that the QB doesnt even try to throw on him.
Asante's stats
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lg TD
16 14 44 41 3 0.0 0 18 6 89 14.8 42 1
Newmans
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lg TD
13 11 50 44 6 0.0 0 13 4 129 32.2 70 1
so tell me why when AS started 3 more games his stats are the same as newmans. Asante also was on a team that was destroying teams early and often making them throw alot more then the Cowboys.
by thebigham on Apr 14, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the same
2007
Samuel 7 INTs including the playoffs.
Newman 4 INTs including the playoffs.
INT's are important. If you don't think so you haven't played the game or don't understand the game. CB's are evaluated on what they do on the field which includes INT's, and ability to make plays that change the outcomes of games. Samuel is a game changer, Newman hasn't been in his career. That's the difference between a good and a great CB. I'm not saying Samuel is a great CB, but he is a very good one. The reason he is considered one of the best in the league.
Teams throw to Newman. I'm not sure where you are getting that from. The only CB that teams stayed away from exclusively was Deion Sanders. The next player with that kind of presence on the field is Champ Bailey. Teams don't game plan for Newman, sorry guy...
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to your logic
Everson Walls should be a HOFer, LOL!
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're funny Cowboys81
I probably forgot more about football than you'll ever know. I'd like to know how a CB supposed to get INTs when teams are afraid to throw his way.
Newman is elite whether you want to admit it or not and Jerry will re-sign him.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
played the game 5 years HS/College
I think I know a little about football.
Just calling it like it is. Newman is going to have a hard time getting an extension. Some of you guys are going to be very disappointed when he walks.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow cowboy81
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...
check that out.. deion highest INT total in one year was 7 and he did that once.
Deions stint with dallas he had 14 Ints in the 5 regular season.
Newmans 5 regular seasons with the cowboys he has 16Ints.
so by your logic newman is better then deion?
by thebigham on Apr 14, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deion missed almost a full season
out of the five years he was here in dallas too.
by Deke on Apr 14, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
The point is INTs alone dont decide a good corner. Asante had 10 in one season so does that mean hes better then Deion who at most only had 7 in one season?
His point was his cornerback is only underrated by people who do not know. Apparently, NFL execs do the whole "boy book" thing, only with players -- you know, where you rank everybody and share your answers.
Owner Jones said, almost without fail, his fellow GMs listed Newman among the best players on his roster.
by thebigham on Apr 14, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they don't
But like Deion in his day. Samuel, Bailey, and now Cromartie are playmakers, difference makers. Players that change outcome of games. Come up big when needed. Newman has done very little of that in his NFL career. You can't even compare Newman to Deion because teams totally stayed away from his side of the field. Newman doesn't command that kind of respect or even on the same page as Deion. It's funny, were comparing Deion the best CB in the history of the game to Newman. Deion was a playmaker on offense and defense. It's not even close...
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I jsut dont get it.
Newman and Asante's stats are the same. Asante had 3 more ints but he also played what 5? 6? more games then newman. How come you consider Asante more of a playmaker? IDK i cant find a stat with passes thrown to that CB.
by thebigham on Apr 14, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's your fallacy Cowboys81
Being a playmaker doesn't necessarily mean you're a great CB and a great example of this is our own Everson Walls.
He was one of my all time favorite Cowboys as he lead the league in INTs a few times, however, he also got burned on several occasions as well. He got a lot of INTs because teams threw at him because they knew they could beat him.
Newman is an elite CB because teams know they can't beat Newman. I've watched every game Newman has played over the last 5 years and I can only recall Newman getting beat a few times. He's as much of a shut down corner as there exsists in the NFL today. I could care less if he doesn't have INTs, so what, I'd rather have a CB shut down the WR he's covering and not having INTs than a CB who leads the league in INTs but gets beat a lot.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree
Hope you enjoyed the 5 years because it's unlikely he sees another after this season unless he is franchised.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll agree to disagree on that as well
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are clueless Cowboys 81
This argument you have spouted just serves to back up that fact.
Newman will be re-signed, there is not much doubt, he will end his career as a Cowboy. You don't draft a guy #5 overall in 2003 and cut him loose because he's been a great player for your team. Your age argument is unfounded.
You can tout your admiration for Samuels all you want, but the fact is, NE didn't think enough of him to keep him, he gets burned for TD's a hell of a lot more than TNew, and Philly was desperate to get a CB. Their top CB Sheppard has chronic injury problems and Brown isn't a true #1 CB. When you are playing in a division with TO, Plaxico, Moss, you better have a good CB that you can count on. That's why they overspent for Samuels. Believe me if they had a chance to take Samuels or Newman they would take Newman.
by APerfectStar on Apr 14, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom stick to not being a GM will you
because when Newman is not here I'll be right here telling you I told you so. If he is given an extension, I'll be here saying I was wrong. I have no problem with that. I'm looking at the economic side of the situation. The only way Newman is here next year is if he is franchised. Write that one down.
Your argument has no substance when it comes to Samuel. If you paid attention to the obvious, Samuel wasn't resigned because they couldn't afford him and Moss. That was the reason, not because they thought he wasn't one of the best CB's in the league. We are going to be in the same situation with Newman, bank on it. We won't be able to afford him. He is an aging CB, and like NE we have other players more valuable to the success of the franchise that will be here a heck of a lot longer than Newman.
Where did all those people go when Samuel was about to hit the free agent market saying we needed him here??? How we forget...lol
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that
and by the way Cowboys81, who was the CB covering David Tyree in the SB that cost the Pats the SB, yeah, thats right, it was your boy Samuel who got beat by a no name WR, guarantee you Newman never allows that play.
Pats could have signed Samuel if they wanted to but knew he wasn't as good as advertised.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon Terry...
That was the most improbable circus catch that he caught off his helmut, Samuels was on him like a cheap suit....no DB could have done anything about that...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 15, 2008 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, a good CB would have never allowed
that pass to be completed. If Samuel is such a great playmaker as you and Cowboys81 make him out to be, he should have at least knocked the ball out of his "hand". I'm extremely confident Newman would have.
Its no wonder the Pats weren't interested in re-signing him. I'm really looking forward to seeing T.O. toast his azz on a regular basis.
by Terry on Apr 15, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can blame Harrison also
if you want place blame on that catch. He was all over Tyree. Another lame excuse Terry. That was an extraordinary situation. If that's the worst Samuel can do than he is worth every bit of 10 mil a year. Samuel is the best CB in the league right now until proven otherwise.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 15, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh its proven plenty of times
by Terry on Apr 15, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO < Terry's favorite lifeline..
Dude..... ???
If Samuel is such a great playmaker as you and Cowboys81 make him out to be
I'd say every player, coach, GM, pro personal, NFL owner and executives , and 100 million other fans that knows anything about football, that don't live in HOMERville, would agree with us as well...
Asante Samuels is most definately one of the top 5-10 cornerbacks in the league...period..
For you to debate the fact is utter nonsense.
Over rated ??? YOU think so....I'm sure nobody else shares your view...that's YOUR opinion..and nobody's hearin' it.
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 15, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see what your opinion is after we play
the Eagles and T.O. abuses him all over the field, then we'll see what you have to say then.
by Terry on Apr 15, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK....here's that scenario....'09
CB1) Newman 9 million/year
CB2) Adam Jones 1.5 million/year
CB3) Antoine Cason 2 million/year
SS1) Ken Hamlin 7 million/year
FS1) Anthony Henry 5 million/year
CB4) Ball 400k/year
CB5) Oglesby 400k/year
CB6) Butler 300k/year
SS2) Brown 400k/year
FS2) Watkins 500k/year
That's about 27 million for the secondary....a little pricey...but I can deal with it...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget..
Canty and Ware will be getting new contracts after next year... so thats more money on the D.
by thebigham on Apr 14, 2008 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canty will be a UFA after the season unless
we resigned him, which I think we will. Ware has one more season after this one to get a extension. My guess, Jerry will extend Ware long before his contract is up.
Our biggest extensions over the next year or two are going to be Hamlin, Ware, Canty and hopefully MB3. I just don't see Newman getting a extension at his asking price given his age and the ridiculous amount of money CB's are getting. Jerry will spend on other players that are younger and will be here for the long haul.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Canty and MB3
Not sure about Hamlin. Ware will get his contract redone next season. Newman will get his re-done this season. So will TO. The team is built to win right now, so the theory of not locking down top players because they might not be here in 3 or 4 years is all wrong.
The window for getting to the Super Bowl can shut quickly, which is why you will not see key players leaving in the next couple seasons. In fact, that's why the Cowboys picked up Zach Thomas and re-signed an aging Flozell Adams, and are hoping to trade for Roy Williams. All moves to lock top players down for the next few seasons.
by APerfectStar on Apr 14, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why DRC would make a great FS
Maybe its just me, but what would make DRC a dominating FS. First off, he would absolutely have to bulk up, but after that I think he is much better suited at corner.
by Romo9 on Apr 13, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we even talking about DRC
No doubt he is going to be a good CB in this league, but he will be long gone by the time we pick. If we want to talk about CB's the more realistic players we will be drafting are Cason, Flowers, King, Jenkins and dare I say Talib.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 13, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well man,
we do have two firsts, its not out of the realm of possibility of trading up.
by Romo9 on Apr 13, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not up that far and it's for you know who if so
by Cowboys81 on Apr 13, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Terry
I don’t know if I’m buying this in total. I think the Cowboys will be able to wait to draft a CB who maybe represents great value in the 2nd or 3rd round if they have Pacman.
Yup, have to disagree as well. If anything we will wait until the 3rd round to draft a WR. Everything coming out indicates we will draft a CB early as if Pacman is here or not. RB and CB are the top two priorities in the first round. Gil Brandt was on Serius Radio yesterday. As everyone knows he is a draft guru and has close ties with the Cowboys organuization. He expects Dallas not to draft a WR until the later rounds, if at all. He thinks CB and RB are at the top of the list, but wouldn't be surprised if we draft a OL with an early draft pick also.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 13, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont want to shoot too many holes in
Schefter's story, but I didnt know we had 2 6th round picks. I thought the trade with Miami had us swapping picks in the 6th. Not adding one.
Dallas had been offering one of their two sixth-round picks.
by Impatient on Apr 13, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallas has two sixth round picks next year
via the Jason Ferguson trade, they also swapped sixth rounders this year with Miami so dallas drafts first in the sixth round this year.
by Deke on Apr 13, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Dallas swapped 6th rounders with Miami in the 2008 draft and also got Miami's 6th round pick in the 2009 draft?
by APerfectStar on Apr 13, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drafting a CB
Yes, if we get Pacman we will still need to draft a CB. Last year we learned all too well what life can be like when 1 of the CB's is out. Take the Patriots game. If Henry didn't get hurt then Reeves wouldn't have likely been on Stallworth and given up the back-breaking TD. And Nate Jones wouldn't have been on the field as much as well.
With that said I think Dallas should be very carefull about using a 1st round pick on a CB. I would only use it on DR-C, Jenkins, or Talib (chances of McKelvin being available for us are almost zero). I believe that there is more value in the 1st round than Flowers, Reggie Smith, or Cason can give.
Let's not count out Alan Ball. I'd be totally okay with having a 3rd-6th round CB compete with Ball for the 4th CB. And remember, with Pacman our top 3 CB's would be the best the NFL has seen in the modern era. The only trio that comes to mind that could challenge Newman/Henry/Pacman would be Deion, Kevin Smith, and Larry Brown.
by SaintJimmy on Apr 13, 2008 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right St J
It's not CB or no CB. It's where they decide to take the guy and who they might have passed up.
by dunkman on Apr 13, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
When I logged onto the BTB. I was expecting this story as the lead. Strange stuff.
Pacman is too good a deal to pass up. Jerry and the Tians are dancing the dance, but they'll make the deal in the end.
by dunkman on Apr 13, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was about to suggest Roy for Jones
Then dismissed it as hopeless optimism on my part. It doesn't make any sense.
This will happen, people. Whether you like it, I like it, Norm Hitzges likes it, or Roger GOodell likes it- The King likes it. And King Jerry's word is law. Get used to seeing PacMan in silver and blue. I resigned myself to the detrimental aspects of his arrival a while ago, and since then It's been nothing but excitement over the move. Embrace the fact that he's coming here regardless of your protests and simply look at the situation on the basis of one that adds or subtracts from the product on the field.
by BudLight on Apr 13, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen
by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How Awesome would this be?
I'm thinking that there's no freakin' way, but if it did, that might be our best draft ever. Here's the link (scroll down):
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8003936/Two-first-rounders!?!-Dallas,-have-some-fun
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 13, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That must be a typo
There's no way Manningham goes 28, no way Jones lasts until 61. He must have gotten the two confused.
by BudLight on Apr 13, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no...the guy is simply an idiot....
They can give anybody their own blog site nowadays...I think we should petition Fox Sports to fire that clown and we'll promote Grizz to do their football blogs....who is he anyways ?...never even heard of this clown...
To have Jonathan Stewart and Felix Jones in his 2nd round mock....what a moron..
Hey Backed Potato Soup, Can you fax that page over to me so I can wipe my azz with it ?...worthless dribble...I say.
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You applying for a blogging gig too?
by JerrodWheeler on Apr 13, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah....I'd get banned from the net...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 14, 2008 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would you want Manningham??
this guy has bust written all over him.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pac comes...
We still need to take a corner one day 1, but maybe we can get away with taking the best one left in round 2, and not be married to taking one in the first.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 13, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's the more likely scenario....
anyone of: Brandon Flowers, Reggie Smith, Charles Godfrey, Tracy Porter, Justin King, Terrell Thomas, Tyvon Johnson, or Orlando Scandrick can be there waiting for us at #61...
Pacman would take a big load off of us having to possibly reach for a troubled talent like Talib, and let's us take a Felix Jones or Stewart
at #22 ...and still get a quality DB at #28 Cason or Phillips, or a WR ......
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope not Terrell Thomas
Way too much injury history there.
The Cowboys should take the CB in the 1st, some of the guys in the 2nd have talent, but there seems to be a drop off after Cason. They should just assume the worst, Pacman will blow his last chance. If he doesn't, then that's great as you can never have too many quality DB's, but they really need to prepare for the worst case scenario.
by APerfectStar on Apr 14, 2008 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pacman re-instatement
I don't see the point of Goodell waiting to let the guy back in after the draft. If you are going to let him in (and he said he would before July training camps), just do it now, before the draft, so he can be traded. Kind of a Richard move if he waits until after the draft.
by APerfectStar on Apr 14, 2008 12:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree Tom...Goodell is a big time Richard....
He's biggining to leave a sour taste in my mouth....at first I liked his hard handed approach....but he's let it go to his head....that whole brushing off and sweeping under the rug the spygate incident.....and now this...a one year suspension is a one year suspension....that one year is over.....set the guy free already...
He is purposely WAITING for Pacman to speak out about the unfairness he's receiving...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 14, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
Dude has done his time...quit playin with him.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 15, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone actually
say they thought Samuels is better then Newman?
Excuse me I need to lay down and laugh for a while.
by burmafrd1944 on Apr 14, 2008 2:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I get the younger part. . .but better was funny to me.
by JerrodWheeler on Apr 14, 2008 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people are enthralled by INT numbers
by BudLight on Apr 14, 2008 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, yes.
How can anyone argue Samuel is not a top 2 or 3 CB in the league?
Sorry, guys I love Newman, but he is not a playmaking CB like Samuel. I know were biased because he is one of our players, but there is no reason to be blinded and acknowledge a player from another team is better than ours. That's clearly the case with Samuel and Newman.
Samuel is a heck a lot younger and a play making CB. Newman is good, but neither of those. C'mon guys take the blinders off already.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you make the big mistake of equating
INTs with playmaking ability which is a mistake. Newman doesn't get that many opportunities to get INTs because teams are afraid to throw his way, unlike Samuel who is top 2 or 3 of overrated CBs because teams can beat him.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lame excuse Terry
He get's plenty of chances. The problem is, he makes no plays on the ball and struggles in the slot at times. He doesn't have that impact presense like Deion had where teams didn't throw to him. Newman get's thrown to him often and should have a lot more INT's and breakups than he has.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not true at all
I don't know what games you are watching but Newman doesn't get thrown at a lot, teams would rather beat Henry and Reeves.
You must be mistaking Newman with another CB if you think he struggles in the slot because I've never seen it.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every game Terry
Newman is at his best on the outside, not in the slot. Go watch some games and see how many completed passes Newman gives up in the slot.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why the coaches put Newman in the slot
on purpose, but hell, what do they know, right?
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He just can't be reasoned with Terry.
Newman not good in the slot...good grief. <rolling eyes>
by APerfectStar on Apr 14, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blinders...
Im not crazy, I think Samuel is a fantastic corner. I gained a lot of respect for him in that AFC championship game they lost against the Colts in 06. He was constantly left alone on Harrison and Wayne and kept making plays.
With that said, Newman vs. Samuel is about a push. Samuel gets smoked at times like everybody else, Champ Bailey included.
A healthy Newman is as good as anyone. Screw the INT's. He's not the gambler that others may be, but he doesnt get beat for nearly as many big plays.
In the 5 years that Deion was here, he had five picks once. The other 4 years he had 3 once and 2 three times.
Was he a lesser corner than Ryan McNeil, or Donnie Abraham, or Troy Vincent who were leading the league in picks in those years.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 14, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Glory...It's a push..2 differ styles
For Terry to say Samuels is over rated is way off base, He's a perrenial ALL Pro & Pro Bowler at the CB position......that's HIS personal opinion..I am sure NFL execs don't feel he is over rated..He got paid market value......All 32 teams would had loved to have Samuels on their roster (including Jerry Jones)...but not all 32 teams had 10/mil cap space...
Newman is a better pure cover corner...Samuels is a better playmaker.....plain and simple...you can not rate one over the other...they are both top 10 CB's...so I don't know why we are wasting over 100 individual posts debating this....
If any of you think Samuels sucks, and is not a top CB....then you don't know crap about CB's...
If any of you think Newman isn't a top cover corner, you you know even less about CB's....
There....settled....LOL
I do agree with Cowboys81 that we should not be paying Newman anywhere close to the 10 million that Hall, Samuels, and Clements got though, regarless if you feel Newman is better than any of them.....ALL of those guys are in their mid 20's with 6-8 prime years left in them...Newman should get no more than 8 million/ per at age 31.......over a 6 year contract...guaranteed over first 4.. 4year/ 32 million is what it would really translate to..about the same as Trufant...who is just as good as Newman as well.....take it or leave it....Adam Jones-1 million, and Antoine Cason-2 million.....would be more than worthy replacements in '09 if he wants to play hard ball.
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 14, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed for the most part Boyz
I always said Newman was a good, not great CB. I think Samuel is just a better all around CB because of his playmaking ability. He is a game changer, Newman is not. That's what separates Samuel from Newman IMO. I want a playmaker if I'm spending 10 mil a year on a CB. I guarantee you if you polled all the NFL coaches 80-90 percent would take Samuel over Newman right now.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you want a CB who gets beat often
that makes a lot of sense, yeah thats worth 10 mil a year for sure.
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What NE games are you watching?
Samuel rarely get's beat and makes a heck of alot more plays on the ball than Newman. It's not even close.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 15, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Samuel gets beat twice as much as T New
thats not even close.
by Terry on Apr 15, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no I'm not, its true, watch the film
by Terry on Apr 16, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, somebody is truly delusional
by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subject lines are stupid.
If anyone cares First take today at 10am will be talking about the cowboys draft. Probably the same thing eveyone else is going to say but whatever.
by thebigham on Apr 14, 2008 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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