I love me some Newman
by Impatient on Apr 3, 2008 10:52 PM CDT
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Nick Eatman has a great article up at dallascowyboys.com about Terrance and his views on Adam Jones, his next contract and his career in general. Newman to me is the protypical NFL player and is the polar opposite to Adam Jones.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cf...
Here are some of my favorite excerpts from the article.
On Adam Jones coming to the Cowboys
"I ain't going to babysit him. He's a grown man," Newman said after an intense workout in the Cowboys' off-season conditioning program. "You try to help him stay out of trouble and try to tell him to do the right things but at the same time we still have our lives to live and he still has his life to live. I'm sure it will be mixed emotions. I'm sure there are in people in the locker room that don't want him here, and I'm positive there are guys that do want him here."
I love the fact the Newman is expecting Adam to grow up and be his own man. Its that type of leadership that Adam needs. Someone who will tell him like it is and not baby him. That is just the right nudge for a guy who has a problem with authority.
On the comparisons to TO and Tank
"I can't even throw Tank in that category. His situation was completely different. Tank just got caught with a bunch of guns. He had a bunch of guns. He's not the (only) person in this league with a bunch of guns and ammunition. He hasn't done anything off the field besides having guns. I would definitely welcome (Jones) here. But the situation is definitely different where you got a guy who has been arrested for different things off the field and something that caused somebody to get paralyzed. That whole aspect is different. But I would definitely welcome him here."
This is what I've said all along regarding Tank.
On his next contract
"I would like to stay here in Dallas, but I don't need the money," Newman said. "I'm not doing this because I'm broke or anything. I still have every cent that I got from my rookie year and my ($13 million) signing bonus. I've made interest on that. It's not like I need money. But I definitely want to be recognized as one of the top corners. I just want to be paid as one of the top corners."
WOW! he still has his whole rookie signing bonus. That is something right there. I think we will reward him as one of the best at his position. I just hope it is more the Trufant money then the Asante Samuel money. You dont have to overpay to reward some as one of the top corners in the league.
On his career
"If it does, somebody is going to pay me," Newman said. "Let's just be honest about it. If it's not here, somebody is going to see what I do on the football field. Like I said, I could be 35 and faster than half of the guys in this league at 25. It's not going to worry me one bit. Hopefully I can be like Darrell Green and play until I'm 40 or something."
Darrell Green is a great comparison. Terrance has a great work ethic and is in the same mold as a Green or Jerry Rice type player. He also does not have the typical wear and tear on him that most 30 year old players have since he came out when he was 24.
Bottom line. This guy is one of my favorite Cowboys and I hope he finishes his career here in Big D.
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this is an extremely exceptional diary, Impatient!!!
talk about being solidly grounded!!!
it just gives me a greater desire for king jerry to re-sign our very own T-New!!!
count me in... i love me some Newman, too!!!
by kcbrett5 on Apr 3, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can I get a
loan of about $13 million, Terrance Newman?
by coolaid on Apr 3, 2008 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Newman you can do better than that
It's not like I need money. But I definitely want to be recognized as one of the top corners
Some double talk going on with that statement. Newman says on one hand he doesn't care about the money, but wants to be recognized as one of the top corners. Reading between the lines that means he wants to get paid like a top CB. Sorry, Newman I'm not buying it. Just say you want to get paid like a top CB instead of making us think something different. The fact is he is not going to get a contract any where near what Hall or Samuel received at 31 yrs. old.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 4, 2008 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love Newman's quote
Like I said, I could be 35 and faster than half of the guys in this league at 25. It's not going to worry me one bit. Hopefully I can be like Darrell Green and play until I'm 40 or something."
I guess this makes the argument about his age moot, huh?
by Terry on Apr 4, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't made nearly the amount of plays
as Green did in his career. He is not even on the same planet as Green when it comes to speed and play making ability. Until that happens he is just talking out the side of his mouth and trying to justify given a big money contract to an aging CB. That's not going to happen here.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 4, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman wasn't comparing his abilities
to Green, just his potential for his longevity.
by Terry on Apr 4, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not with his issues
Trying to stay healthy.
I don't recall D Green having health problems.
as a matter of fact...I can't recall green ever missing time due to injury(although i'm sure he has.
T-new is not exactly a speed merchant...He's a solid corner...but NOWHERE near being an elite corner.
Just because he's OUR best corner,doesn't make him the best in the league.
I think we will reward him as one of the best at his position.
Thats a problem,you don't Reward with new contracts!
He's been paid the market value(that he agreed to) for what he's done. You offer contracts for an expected level of play...If he can't stay healthy...I wouldn't expect much of a contract.
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 4, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed True
I like Newman as much as the next guy, but at 31 it would be a mistake overpaying for an aging CB. He's been solid, but hasn't done enough to be considered an elite CB in this league. I really believe Newman will be franchised next year or will not be resigned because his asking price will be too steep. Probably the reason why Jerry is pursuing PacMan and will draft a CB early in the draft. Alan Ball's name keeps coming up from players and coaches. If the PacMan deal doesn't happen, Ball could be the starting nickel CB.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 4, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you gotta be kidding TrueBlue
not exactly a speed merchant!! thats exactly what Newman is, he's a 4.3 guy with ease, and thats on a bad day.
by Terry on Apr 4, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These guys don't have a clue Terry
Newman is going to be locked up. I have no doubts about that.
by APerfectStar on Apr 4, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
starting doubting Tom because
nothing is certain. Especially, not a CB on the other side of 30 who is closer to the end of his career than the start of it. Newman is as good as gone if he thinks he is getting paid like an elite CB in this league. He is not that good to be over paying.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 5, 2008 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
think about this one.
If Newman is not franchised next year guess who comes knocking on his door?
And has a ton of cap room.
need a hint
another place that is warm and sunny.......
no doubt in my mind and the VP loves him
by Cowboys81 on Apr 5, 2008 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he would get that money
Not only from Miami, but any other team that wants a starting CB with his skill level.
You just shot your argument in the foot.
I don't need to doubt anything, he'll be a Cowboy for the next 4 years at the least. Newman and Ware are the 2 defensive studs that Jerry Jones is going to lock down to long term contracts.
by APerfectStar on Apr 5, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right Tom, Jerry will pay Newman
like an elite CB because he is one and anyone with 2 eyes can see that.
by Terry on Apr 5, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No arguement shot
Just business and we can't get into the business of over paying for older players just because we like them.
The point is, other teams have more cap room, for example Miami and don't have as many FA's to sign after the season than we do. IMO, Hamlin and MB3 are more important to resign than Newman. They are in the prime of their careers and have plenty of years ahead of them, not Newman. He has maybe, 2 or 3 years as a starting CB, if that and if he can stay healthy.
Newman is not getting a long term contract here. Not at 31. He's going to be franchised, accept a smaller contract with less money or allowed to walk. Jerry is going to think with his head and not with his heart on this one. These are the type of contracts that can cripple a franchise when your talking about handing over a ton of money to an aging player. We need to take a page from NE or Philly with Newman if can't accept a 2-3 year contract. Newman knows this is probably his last contract and wants to be paid big money from a team. A team like Miami with a ton of cap room can afford to take a risk and over pay for an aging veteran. We can't.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Learn how to spell
Argument. Not arguement.
I'm through discussing Newman's future with you. You really don't understand how the NFL works. Top CB's are not released, they are negotiated to long term contracts. Your tag line only serves to underscore your ignorance.
by APerfectStar on Apr 6, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing your not a NFL GM Tom
or are franchise would be bankrupt.
I didn't know having an occasional typo would be so bothersome. Were not writing college papers here on the blog.
Maybe you need to educate yourself on how things work in the NFL.
Your problem is your blinded for your love of the player and completely ignoring the business side.
All I'm saying is don't to be surprised if we can't work out a contract extension for Newman. He wants to get paid. He's not given us the home town discount.
I'm love Newman as a player, but it's just the nature of the business which many seem to forget.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
co-sign
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 6, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cosign this
Newman is only 29 yrs old. He'll be 30 at the beginning of this season. You redo his contract now and sign him to another 5 years. He'll be 33 going on 34 when that contract hits the start of the final season. If his skills have totally dropped to Reeves level(which I highly doubt, but just to satisfy these ridiculous reasons given as to why we shouldn't sign him), then go ahead and trade him or cut him. The cap hit would be small enough to eat. Or let him play out the final year.
I'm not letting any love for a player blind me, unlike those of you obsessed with Pacman friggin Jones.
Get a clue people. It's really not that hard to understand.
by APerfectStar on Apr 6, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he stays healthy this year...I agree to resign
I certainly wouldn't resign him before this season though....have to make sure there are no lingering foot or knee problems
4 years/ 32 million is all i'd give for him.
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 7, 2008 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry Tom....but ??
Top CB's are not released, they are negotiated to long term contracts
.
Have you ever heard of Asante Samuels ??
kind of defeats that whole argument of yours ?
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 6, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really because Samuel is overrated
Newman is a legitimate elite CB.
by Terry on Apr 6, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what it comes down to Boyz
I would love to get Newman resigned, but not at the price he will be asking. It sucks that he was a 26 yr. old rookie coming into the league. We really need to draft a good CB capable of starting by next year. Hopefully, we can get this Pacman trade hammered out to ensure we have two starting CB's next year if Newman is lost.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
Asante Samuels was not in the same class as Newman.
That's why he was let go.
by APerfectStar on Apr 6, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya see....That's where you are dead wrong....
Terry and his over rated BS, Tom and his not in the same class non sense......That's all crap, the dude is damn good, and most definately among the top 5-10 CB's in the league....NFL players, coaches, and exec's all agree on that....In fact, I'm sure 90% of ALL NFL fans would agree as well...so where does this come from ?
You know more than the Philly exec's is what your telling me ? You mean to tell me they have no Professional pro personal and talent evaluater's to come to a concensus that Samuels is so good they chose to pay him nearly 10 mil/per even though they already had a pro bowl corner on their roster ??
Samuels got every penny he deserved...He's a perenial All Pro CB....and he's in his prime...
I love Newman just as much as any Cowboy fan....but he is not going to be getting 9-10 million a year here.....If he signs a long term deal on average of 7-8 million....I can see him staying....BUT your saying he deserves more than Samuels at about 10 million a year.....Not happening my friends...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 7, 2008 5:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Samuels was that good then
the Pats would have never allowed him to walk. If you watched the SB you should know Samuels isn't that good.
Philly is desparate for CBs, had the cap room, and the FA CB market wasn't that great, thats why Philly signed him.
Sure he gets a lot of picks, but he also gives up a lot of big pass plays as well. I'm looking forward to seeing T.O. burn him on a regular basis twice a season.
by Terry on Apr 7, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy answer Terry
NE couldn't afford Moss and Samuel. Also, the patriots MO is not to over pay for players. Belichek believes they can make any player a pro bowler in his defense. So far it has worked. I would've kept Samuel, but I understand they couldn't afford the loss of Moss and Stallworth in the same year. Their offense would've been awful and I'm sure Brady had a say.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 7, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Boyz
Like I keep saying I like Newman, but he is not in the elite category. Samuel is a heck of a lot younger than Newman and in the prime of his career. Philly made a good investment and paid market value for play making CB who maybe the best in the NFL.
I concur that there is no reason to resign Newman until after the season. Not when there are more important players on this team that need there contracts extended, who are in the prime of their careers. People like Tom and others have to face the facts. Newman is closer to the end of his career than the start of it and you just can't be stupid when paying an aging player a lot of money.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 7, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman is definitely elite
by Terry on Apr 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman is Elite
and remember, your prime isn't always from the age of 27 to 30. With good work ethic you can extend your prime by a few years and Newman has great work ethic. Samuel is a good corner, but I don't believe he is a top-10 corner, he can't cover nearly as well as Newman, he gets more picks because he takes more risks.
by Romo9 on Apr 7, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah..ok...he sucks....
He's just pulling wool over everyone's eyes that votes on ALL Pro teams...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 7, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say he sucked?
I said he is good. He is above average, but I wouldn't put him in the top 5, looking at the rest of the corners in the league maybe in the top 8-10.
by Romo9 on Apr 7, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh, I wonder where we've heard that before
Hey, Roy! Does that statement ring a bell to you? I just can't place where it would be applicable!
by BudLight on Apr 7, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I just didn't
Notice with him hobbling through 3 quarters of the season.....
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 4, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Newman also, but...
He needs to make more plays... sometimes he's just too quiet on the field. The 'Boys need to keep him off of the slot receiver and assign him to the opponents top WR, period!
by BK Arsonist on Apr 4, 2008 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've wondered why they do that...
With T-New's playmaking ability and recovery speed, I agree that he should be locked on to the other team's #1 receiver.
What's up with that?
by kcbrett5 on Apr 4, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
He's not a traditional do-it-all corner. T-New is perhaps the finest slot corner in the league and has speed to catch up to the burners, but he doesn't get pasted on the larger receivers very often. His skill set, as useful as it is, is not the type one utilizes for that.
It doesn't prevent him from being a top five cover corner, though.
by BudLight on Apr 4, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to add
I'm not trying to say that Newman CAN'T play against big guys. The diference in Plax Burress' stat line with and without Newman is striking, for example. I think Anthony Henry's capacity for handling the larger receivers, however, has something to do with the club's decision to (mostly) let Newman play his craft against the little guys.
by BudLight on Apr 4, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason he plays in the slot
when opponents go into a 3 wide reciever set is because the slot is known as being harder to play. Whereas the first and second corners have the sideline to help them out, the corner covering the slot plays his man without any help from the sideline.
by Romo9 on Apr 5, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When a CB is quiet on the field
that means he is doing a dang good job of covering. No, you don't see him make many BIG PLAYS, but he does a heck of a job taking #1's out of the game.
by calebsmith on Apr 4, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
False!!!!
Newman is rarely on the other teams #1 receiver and when the opposing team goes to multiple wide sets, he moves to the slot. I like Newman a lot and with his speed and ability to run with the ball, he should take more chances. He may get beat, but he'll make some plays also; T New plays it safe most of the time. Also, if you want to be paid like a top 5 corner, cover like one; which means Plax, (who T New is much faster than) should never get behind him. Granted, Deion was the best of all time, but when he went up against a physical guy like Irvin, he totally shut him down.
by BK Arsonist on Apr 5, 2008 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh? Deion shut down Irvin?
really? no question Deion played Mike tough, but there were definitely times Mike got the better of Deion. If anything, Mike was one guy that Deion wasn't able to shut down because he was so physical.
by Scoobay on Apr 9, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my eyes
Newman is certainly among the elite cover corners in this league. He's run with the best of them and shut them down. He rarely gets beat for TD's and that means a lot. He's not what I consider a 'playmaker' as that phrase is used. He rarely gambles so he doesn't make a lot of big plays but he also doesn't give them up. He has so much speed that he probably could gamble more, but he doesn't.
His age is a concern but he still seems to be as fast as ever, and he is one of the fastest corners in the league who also has good football instincts and cover skills. As for the injuries, having one major injury in his career that he came back from and played the rest of the season means he's not injury-prone but is actually very durable. Heck, he started every game he's been here before last year.
If you can get him at something close (but a little less) to what other top CB's are getting, you've got to do it. He'll be 30, but he's still playing at a very high-level. Good corners just don't grow on trees. If the contract demands are too extravagant, I could see the Cowboys franchising him for a year and try again in the next offseason. Of course, the Pacman deal and the corners that we draft this year could play a big role in what the Cowboys do.
by Dave Halprin on Apr 4, 2008 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well said Grizz
judging by some of the above comments, you wonder if anyone of these fans actually watch games.
by Terry on Apr 4, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch the games
Terry.
I just don't think Newman is an elite corner.
He's certainly not worth $10-12 million a year.
I'm not even sure that we could afford to place a franchise tag on him.
Plus he'll be 30...
this is the time to get younger at the CB position.
Look I appreciate T-New as much as the next guy...
I think he is a solid corner.
I just don't think he's worth all the money that he's going to want...(even though he claims he doesn't need it).
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 4, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll agree to disagree because
I think Newman is as good as CB in the league, I wouldn't take another CB over him.
Who cares if he is 30 because CBs don't losing their speed until 35 or 36.
by Terry on Apr 4, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK thats cool Terry
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 4, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I think he would sign for 8 or 9 mil
by Terry on Apr 4, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The franchise tag will be pushing 10 mil next
year. It was over 9 mil this year.
Sorry, Newman is not worth 10 mil a year. Not at 31. His skills may not be bad now, but they will start to decline and when they do it will be fast and very noticable.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 5, 2008 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman
Is second to none in this ENTIRE LEAGUE as far as pure, man-to-man coverage. Only Nnamdi Asomugha is better. And that guy will break the bank to an unprecedented level next year.
by BudLight on Apr 7, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
may not be bad, thats really funny!
nobody in the league is a better cover corner than Newman and thats not going to change for a while
by Terry on Apr 7, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman's time here..
has been without much pass rush until recently and even then, I think most would argue it has plenty of room for improvement. Bottom line, Newman is a shutdown corner. As Grizz said, he may not get many INT's, but he rarely gets beat.
by nonotmenever on Apr 4, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No such thing as a shut down CB anymore
and Newman is far from that.
Shut down CB's make plays and he doesn't. Deion Sanders, Champ Bailey. Those guys were shut down CBs.
Champ has declined some over the last year or so, but he is still the top 1 or 2 best CB in the league and has been for awhile.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 5, 2008 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually a shutdown corner
is a corner that "shuts down" the opposition, and Newman does that. He is not a playmaker but as a cornerback that a distant priority to your main duty of covering your opponent and Newman does that better than any other cornerback in the league. He hasn't been in the league nearly as long as most people 30 years of age.
I would like to see him finish his career in Big D and based on performance he deserves more money than Samuel or Deangelo Hall. He has only had one injured season, can run with anybody in the league, great work ethic, and an underated leader on the team.
by Romo9 on Apr 5, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I couldn't have stated it any better than that.
by APerfectStar on Apr 5, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly do the words 'shut down' mean?
I don't think being a playmaker has much to do with that. Deion wasn't much of a playmaker at CB his time here in Dallas. Why? Because he was a shutdown CB. Nobody ever threw at him. Hard to make plays at CB when nobody throws at you. Deion was a playmaker by getting in on offense and ST.
In Deion's years here he had:
- 2 INT 0 TD
- 2 INT 0 TD
- 2 INT 1 TD
- 5 INT 1 TD
- 3 INT 0 TD
13 INT in 5 years, and 2 TD. In Newman's 5 years here he has 16 INT and 1 TD. That's 3 more INT than Deion had.
Shutdown CB does not = a playmaker. Asante Samuel is a playmaker because he takes risks. And with those risks comes TD given up. Look at Deangelo Hall. He takes alot of risks (hence T.O. destroying him last year). He also gets rewarded sometimes with those big plays.
I'll take Newman's less INT along with what, 3 TD given up in 3 seasons, over getting more INT and giving up more TD.
Pay him what he wants.
by mhuff13 on Apr 6, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad
Good points, but Newman get's thrown to him alot more than Sanders did in his day.
Pay him what he wants.
This is exactly what we don't do!. Paying from the heart and not thinking with your head. Jerry being a buisness man is not going to give a big contract to an aging CB. That's not smart business. Like I keep saying if we had a ton of cap room like Miami, Tampa Bay or some of the other teams around the league we could afford to gamble a little on Newman being able to stay healthy and play at a high level over the next 3 to 4 years. We simply don't have the cap room and have too many other player we need to resign. Some team like Miami with a ton of cap room is going to throw alot of money at Newman next year and he will be gone if we don't franchise him.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet the house you're wrong
And Jerry will pay him a big contract.
Look how hard it's been to find a suitable CB on the other side of Newman. You want to try to find 2?
Jerry won't let it happen.
by mhuff13 on Apr 6, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right mhuff13
there are 4 players that the Cowboys need to win and Newman is one of them.
by Terry on Apr 6, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst advice ever
Pay him what he wants.
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 6, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 6, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said before
How bad has it been for us to find someone on the opposite side of TNew. Now imagine trying to find 2 capable CB's for both starting positions.
I just can't figure out why paying Newman a big contract is a bad thing. He's been a shutdown force for us for years. He's given up 3 TD in 3 seasons (maybe 4 TD).
You have to pay top dollar for your defensive stars. That or we can go with Henry, Ball, and a first round pick as our corners. That's a bad idea.
by mhuff13 on Apr 6, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
I just can't figure out why paying Newman a big contract is a bad thing.
Pretty simple really. Because he will be 31. Not many CB's can stay healthy and perform at a high level past 30. If we throw Samuel and Hall type money to a player that is 6, 7 years older than those guys it could become a salary cap disaster down the line.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
It's not the $ per year, it's the length of the contract.
Now a 7 year deal for a 31 year old could be bad. Not a 4 year deal.
Once again, it's hard enough to find 1 quality starting CB, let alone 2. Jerry will sign him.
by mhuff13 on Apr 6, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's very simple
Now a 7 year deal for a 31 year old could be bad. Not a 4 year deal.
LOL
Tell all the Roy Williams Haters that(myself included)
when skills diminsh...you get caught in CAP HELL...handcuffed to a bad deal.
Jerry may very well give T-new his $10 mil per...but it will handcuff us as far as signing our other FA...and getting someone decent to play the other corner.
This is the same reason the pats let samuels walk
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 6, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but for how long?
This could be the start of Newman's injury problems. 4 yr. deal would be ideal, but his asking price will be high. He knows this is probably the last contract of his career so his asking price will be high. If we didn't have players like MB3, Hamlin, Canty, Colombo, TO to extend I would be more willing to reward Newman and take a chance on him being healthy for another 3 to 4 years. Keep in mind Ware's contract is coming up with in 2 years also.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that simply isn't true Cowboys81
there are plenty of CBs that have played at a high level into their 30s.
by Terry on Apr 6, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who? not for the money Newman will comand
Deion Sanders even started to decline in his early 30's. His career was basically over in 2000 when we released him at 33 yrs. old. He was a nickel CB with the Ravens in 2004. This is just an example of how an elite CB started declining and Newman is not even on the same page as Deion.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never sign free agents
Thank god you guys aren't the GM of the Cowboys, because Jerry will resgin TNew. He knows the value of a Pro Bowl CB.
by mhuff13 on Apr 6, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Newman wasn't 26 when he was drafted
there wouldn't be a problem now. Jerry may know the value of a pro bowl CB, but he also knows how to conduct his business. If you had your own business you would have an idea how important decisions involving money is. Easy for us as fans to say give Newman "What he wants". That's bad practice and one that could cost us big time on the cap.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, he was 26 when that Sept..lol
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout Darryl Green
who played at a high level until he was 40 and Rod Woodson played well until he hit 35 or 36.
by Terry on Apr 6, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone already commentded
on Green. Green was a playmaker. Newman isn't on the same page as Green as much as it pains me to say because he was a Redskin. The guy was a great CB.
Rod Woodson was good, but not great and if you remember he was a safety in Baltimore. Common practice for CB's to be moved to FS or SS after they hit the 30 mark because they slow down. The reason why Henry at 32 is considered to be a candiate for FS. .
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't matter
we're not talking about who was a better playmaker, you're question what CB has played at a high level past 30 and I gave you 2 and I'll come up with more.
Newman doesn't have to be a playmaker to play at a high level, he just has to cover his guy and prevent him from catching passes, something he does very well and something he'll continue to do for many more years, hopefully playing for us.
A CB can be great without getting a lot of INTs.
by Terry on Apr 6, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well see and I'll leave it at that
I just don't see it considering his age and who we have to get resigned in the coming year. We have to be smart considering we don't have a ton of money to work with.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 6, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Newman walk...and sign Asomugha
If you wanna dish out 10 mil per for Newman....I'd sure take a shot at Asomugha first....3 years younger, and an elite shut down corner.....
problem solved...
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 7, 2008 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great idea
Here's a better one...just pay Newman the money that everyone knows he's worth in today's market. That is elite CB money. If you show me any evidence that Newman is not considered a top CB by the NFL execs and GM's and talent scouts (since you claim to know what they think) I'll shut up on the matter. If you can't, then you can shut up.
by APerfectStar on Apr 7, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HaHaHaHa!
you guyts are killin' me...
I don't think anybody is doubting that Newman is one of the better CB's in the league.
The issue is can we afford $10-$12 mil A YEAR for T-new....and still
extend TO (who's gonna want $8-$10 mil/yr)
sign MBIII (not cheap)
Sign C Canty
Sign D Ware (BIG BIG MONEY...WORTH every penny)
Sign Hamlin
Sign Columbo
And add into that signing all our draft picks this year and next and any FA pickups....
Somebody is going to be disappointed
It won't be TO
It Won't be D Ware
I'm not saying Jerry won't keep T-NEW here...But it will cost us one of these guys.
I'm just calling 'em the way I see 'em
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that scenario, I'd rather keep Newman
and let Hamlin, Canty and Colombo walk. Great CBs are much harder to replace than safeties, 3-4 DEs and RTs.
by Terry on Apr 7, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your crazy Terry
Your going to let Hamlin go. A player that is in the prime of his career and finally stablized the backfield for us in 4 years. Hamlin could be the anchor on this defense for another 6 or 7 years easily. Newman has maybe 2-3 years as a starting CB.
Our backfield should improve more when Roy is released or traded. We need to improve our CB play through draft picks and younger free agents. Not by over paying aging CBs.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 7, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like I said, CBs are more important than safeties
and Newman has played only one more year than Hamlin, so in football years, Newman is relatively young.
by Terry on Apr 7, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is only guy on that list
I would pay 10-12 mil a year and it would be Ware. Everyone knows Ware is going to get a huge contract. Jerry knows he has a huge tab to pay with in two years. He's not going to break the bank on a 31 yr. old CB. Just not going to happen! The cap is not going up next year. Some of you guys are going to need the prozac when you learn Newman was not resigned. You can't have a steak on every plate and not expect to pay for it.
My top players needed to be resigned by priority:
1)Hamlin
2)MB3
3)TO
4)Canty
5)Colombo
6)Ware-2 more seasons on current contract
by Cowboys81 on Apr 7, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're just totally off the reservation
You list Hamlin as priority over TO,
and Newman isn't even mentioned on your list,
not even above Colombo?
Wow!
by APerfectStar on Apr 7, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...even I have to laugh at that one....
I am still in the wait and see camp on Newman....I would not resign him til the 12th hour, similiar
to Flozell Adams...I want to see Newman start 16 games this year and remain healthy......then I'd consider Trufant like money...which equates to 32 million over the first 4 years...If he doesn't agree....franchise him for one more year of service....that's it....
The Raiders have messed up the entire league's salary structuring...they should be held incompentant...and forced to hand over the G.M duties to someone who has a clue.....cuz of them we are more than likely not going to be able to sign Hamlin because of the Gibril Wilson deal, Canty because of the signings of those lousy D Linemen, and I can only imagine what they do with their 4th pick....DMac...for 60 million...wonderful....you can count MBIII gone too...now Hall and Asomugha both getting 10 mil +, leaves us hanging by a thread to resign Newman.....way to go Al.....die already..lol
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 7, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Hamlin is in his prime and will be
here alot longer than TO. TO is going to be 35 so he could be another player Jerry might have to take a hard line on. Unlike Newman, TO would take a 2-3 year deal I believe. Hamlin has 6 or 7 quality years at safety barring injury. So you tell me who has more upside. That's a no brainier, use your head.
Hey Tom, since your playing fantasy GM maybe you should give Newman what he wants and TO a 6-7 yr. deal at age 35. Our franchise would be bankrupt in no time...lol
by Cowboys81 on Apr 7, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO has to be
priority #1
Then D ware
Then Newman
what you do with MBIII,Canty,Hamlin and columbo...
I don't know!
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 7, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Columbo doesn't get signed....'09
Roy Williams-cut
Anthony Henry-cut or restructured, moved to FS
Kyle Kosier-cut or restructured, moved to back up.
Akin Ayodele-cut or traded
Canty signed 6 years/ 22 million. 12 mil bonus
Newman signed 6 years/ 48 million. 24 mil bonus
TO signed 4 years/ 36 million. 18 mil bonus
Columbo- lost in free agency
Hamlin- lost in free agency
MBIII- lost in free agency
Ware - signs 10 year/ 120 million.. 36 million bonus
After 20 sack season, and Defensive Player of the Year trophey...woooo hooo !!!
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 7, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we don't lose Canty
I think he's on the verge of breaking out. I think Spears won't be re-signed when his contract expires, and Ayodele doesn't make it to training camp this season.
Colombo is a good player, but RT's aren't too tough to find, we might already have his replacement on the team.
MB3 stays if Drew "no comment" Rosenhouse doesn't get too crazy in what he asks for.
Same with Hamlin, if his agent is asking too much, he'll be gone next after season.
I am hoping that Roy gets his head right and comes back under Campo's guidance. But, if he doesn't get back to knocking the crap out of people and forcing those fumbles, he is probably going to be released.
I think Newman gets a new deal based on Trufant's contract of 8 mil/year.
by APerfectStar on Apr 7, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin is going to be resigned
You can bank on that one. That's probably the only sure thing other than Ware in a couple of years, if not sooner. The others I'm not so sure. We've tried for years since Woodson left for that safety that would solidify the secondary.
I think we finally found that player in Hamlin and Jerry knows it. Once Hamlin is extended and Roy is cut our backfield is going to be in real good shape with Watkins or Brown pairing up with him.
Doug Free or Mcquistan will be the new RT next year. I would like to see MB3 resigned, but depending on who we draft I'm not so sure.
Canty won't cost a whole lot to get done.
TO's age could be a factor, but like I said he won't command a long term contract. Maybe 2 or 3 years at a reasonable rate which would be front loaded to keep his base down. Give him a decent signing bonus and he will be happy. I don't think he expects a huge contract at 35.
Newman, forget it. The way the market is set at CBs now like Boyz said his asking price is going to be insane. Jerry is not crazy Al and he is not paying a 31 yr. old CB that type of money.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 7, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have news for you
the safety market is just as insane which is why signing Hamlin certainly isn't a no brainer as you think.
by Terry on Apr 7, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pay a little extra for a safety in the prime
of his career with many years ahead than behind.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 7, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, you talk as if Newman is on the verge
of retirement. I got news for you, Newman has at least 4 or 5 good years left in him and thats being conservative.
If anyone is in his prime right now, its Newman.
by Terry on Apr 7, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah maybe as a nickel CB not a starter
Jerry is not paying that kind of money to a CB that will be a part time player in 3 years.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he won't be a nickel in 3 years
thats just complete and utter nonsense. Maybe when he's 35 and beyond but not before that.
by Terry on Apr 8, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to be 34 in 3 years
He's going to be another Aaron Glen in 3 years Terry. He's not going to be a starting CB. What 34 year old CB's are starting right now?? Not many. If they are, there not very good or playing the nickel. Even moved to safety.
He's not going to get a big contract at 31. It's that simple. That's a salary cap disaster.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he'll be 32 in 3 years
Cowboys81, did you fliunk math in school? Newman is currently 29 yrs old and will be 30 at the start of this season.
There is no question he'll start at a high level in 2008, 2009 and 2010 at the ages of 30-32.
by Terry on Apr 8, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be 30 in September
Let me be clearer.
If Jerry waits until after the season, which he will to negotiate a new contract. Newman would be turning 31 September 2009. So yes, he would be 34 three years after getting a new contract.
Newman is going to be franchised or allowed to walk because he will not take less money to be here.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, Jerry will sign him in 2008
if he signs him at all, thats where you're off base in your age calculations.
by Terry on Apr 8, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Terry there not resigning him
this year. First of all, we don't have the cap room to give him a contract extension and there is no reason to. Second, Mickey said on his radio show last week the cowboys have no intentions of talking about an extension for Newman until after the season.
The only two contracts you could see get extended before the season are Hamlin and MB3. With the recent talks going on Hamlin is going to be the first one, I keep telling you that.
Newman is going to be franchised or be allowed to test the free agent market.
Well agree to disagree Terry, but the talk on radio when Newman's name comes up is Jerry is not going to over pay for any aging player and that includes TO.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Boyz
thats a pretty good estimate, well, except for the 20 sack thing...go for the record.
by Romo9 on Apr 7, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need to expand the writing area up in here
Hamlin is good but, if it was a no-brainer, he would already have been signed to the long term deal.
Something is up there. IMO
The only explanation is Hamlin is asking for more than Jerry wants to spend at the FS position.
by APerfectStar on Apr 7, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree...
I think we have one more year of Hamlin under the franchise tag and then we move on with Watkins or Brown.
If I had to chose Hamlin or Newman I'd take Newman every time. Corners are harder to find than safeties. If you let Newman go how do you replace him? Free agency? Good luch with that... you'll pay just as much, if not more, for a player with lesser skills.
Did anyone watch the Pro Bowl? How many passes were completed to Newman's side of the field? Not many (if any). They were throwing to the other side.
On one leg for much of the season Newman was one of the best corners in the league last year.
I don't want to hear that Pacman is the answer. He is a felony waiting to happen. He might wind up a Cowboy but we'd be fools to count on him as a starting corner. At best I'd rotate him with Henry to keep both fresh and let him return punts. He'd move to Newman's spot in the nickel package with Newman moving to the slot.
by BulletBob on Apr 8, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things are going to stop Newman from
getting a contract here. His age and the amount of money he wants. Those are the main reasons, not because he can't play now, but 2 or 3 years from now when we are paying him 8 to 10 mil a year. He is going to have to take a smaller contract with less money if he wants to continue being a dallas cowboy. If not, he's gone and some team with a ton of money will take a chance on him.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things will keep Newman from getting a contract
A career ending injury and if Jerry Jones is replaced by a pod-person.
Elite CB's are hard to find. I don't want our starting CB tandem to be Henry (for 8 games), Alan Ball, and a 2nd year player (from this year's draft) in 2009.
He'll get his money from Jerry.
by mhuff13 on Apr 8, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman will be franchised
Assume Newman is franchised after this season.
Our 2009 starting CB's
1-Newman
2-Pacman
3-Alan Ball or our 2008 CB draft pick
2010 starting CBs
1-2008 CB draft pick
2-PacMan
3-Alan Ball
Newman turning 32 that September will be gone. Sorry, guys we have too many other players contracts to get done.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have your back 81....but...
You must exclude Ball from all talks of being a top 3 corner....NO way..not now...not ever...he's a good 4th-5th CB....and special teamer....that's it...
I agree we should franchise Newman for '09...have always had that stance....unless after starting 16 games this year, with no injuries, he signs for Trufant money....4 years/32 mil....
'09 Secondary
-------------
CB1-Newman
CB2-Jones
CB3-Cason
by BoyzRback07 on Apr 8, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I say Ball
is because the players and coaches are raving about him. I think he could be our starting nickel CB and some with in the organization say he is talented enough to start. Well have to see on this one, but don't rule it out is what I'm saying.
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want him, but its going to happen
by Cowboys81 on Apr 8, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but I meant he'll be suspended again
by 2009. Think Chris Henry, only worse.
by Terry on Apr 8, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Terry on this...
I would not factor Pacman Jones into any long term plans about who'll be playing corner in 2009 and beyond.
Just because he wants to play in Dallas and we need corners doesn't mean he is going to change his ways when/if he gets here.
by BulletBob on Apr 9, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
if/when we get pacman....we have to play it like he's not in our plans...therefore if/when he messes up....we've already covered our hind parts.
regardless of pacmans status...we still need to draft CB
by TrueBlue24 on Apr 9, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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