Jones, Staubach bring home Super Bowl
by Dave Halprin on May 22, 2007 1:59 PM CDT
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The new Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington will host the 2011 Super Bowl, the National Football League announced Tuesday.
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"This is going to be a wonderful, wonderful event," Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said following the announcement. "The Super Bowl asked us to do what we could do to take it to another level. When you're talking about a Super Bowl, that's a pretty challenging commitment."
The new Cowboys stadium will hold almost 100,000 people, and far more visitors than that will flock to North Texas for Super Bowl XLV and the week of lavish events that will precede it.
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Mr. Jones and his advisers wisely chose Roger Staubach – an immensely popular Hall of Fame quarterback whose name is synonymous with the Cowboys' glory days -- as the public face of the North Texas Super Bowl bid. Mr. Staubach led the closed-door presentation to NFL owners this morning.
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Wonder how stupid
the Dallas City Council is feeling about now... "Stadium?? We don't need no stinking stadium..."
Nice work Jerry. Not too many owners could pulled this whole deal off - stadium, draft, Super Bowl bid, all in a month's work...
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Somebody wasn't mentioned at all
Jerry went out of his way to thank the two mayors of Arlington and Fort Worth, but never mentioned Laura Miller's name once and only mentioned the city of Dallas once. He made it a point to talk about North Dallas, A clear slap in the face of Dallas and laura Miller and her gang of idiots who were never onboard with the stadium or the superbowl bid.
by Deke on May 22, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Arizona
Why were they in the mix? They're hosting the superbowl this coming year...
by JasonB on May 22, 2007 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I came up with two...
a consolation prize for having to watch the Cardinals year in and year out, or the blue hairs respresenting the bulk of AZ's population forgot they had it this year...
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no doubt
north Texas would get the bid with Captain America leading the way.
by Terry on May 22, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was definitely
a brilliant move.
I think it's also true, though, that no host team has played in a SB.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had nothing to do with Captain America
27,000 more seating capacity, money talks, B.S. walks...thats what won the bid over Indy, oh and the cufflinks Jerry handed out to the other owners.
by Deke on May 22, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't tell me
that Staubach making the presentation wasn't a factor. As you would say, thats just bunk!
by Terry on May 22, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just did!!!!!!
it's a BUSINESS terry, its all about the almighty dollar when it comes to awarding the superbowl, if you cant comprehend that, well, too bad, so sad!!!
27,000 x $800 = $21,600,000 PLUS more money in the owners pockets, thats a deal maker, not a QB that half the owners never probably heard of.
by Deke on May 22, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's much more money
going through this deal than seats. Dallas offers more buzz too - night life, cityscapes (not covered with snow), Jones' ability to market and generate more hype...
But Terry is right that Staubach was a great move... No matter how good the product, salemen close the deal.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Dungy has more clout
He was Indy's representative, the recent superbowl headcoach and they had David lettermen and his top ten list, believe me, they only had 15 minutes to make their pitch, the owners didn't care about who was making the presentation, only how much money each of them could pocket n the end. It was nice they had Roger, but it was anything he did to sway the owners and their choice.
by Deke on May 22, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
I think I could have walked in there having spent two hours on a presentation and won the bid.
by Wes Cox on May 22, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt about it.
The owners had their minds made up long before the presentations today. Each Cities committee had sent proposals thousands of pages long that included far more pertinant information than anything anyone could have said in a 1/2hr long dog and pony show.
Today was all about hyping the game during a slow period of the offseason, something the NFL has gotten very good at. It's the middle of Baseballs season and playoff time in Basketball and Hockey, yet who gets to host the Super Bowl 4 years from now is considered huge sporting news today. Great marketing by the NFL.
There is no contest between Indy and Dallas from a revenue standpoint. From far more seats (and far more luxury boxes) to far more local activities in the weeks leading up to the game, and more predictable weather this was a no brainer. Indy was part of the process and considered a "serious" contender because that was one of the selling points THEY used to secure their new stadium. The prospect of a Super Bowl bid. Why Arizona was even allowed to bid is beyond me, but I assume it was part of some backroom deal to appease someone. No way they could have been considered a real contender for 2011 after having the game in 2008.
In short, NFL owners are multi-millionaires (or billionaires) who aren't about to make a major economic decision based on anything a retired QB has to say (or a Super Bowl winning head coach, for that matter). You don't win over an extremely wealthy man in 20 minutes with Rah Rah sales crap, you do it with immense research and an exceptional business plan. Roger was there for the fans and to make ESPN, nothing more. We will likely never know the names of the people who did the real work to get this deal done.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you'd fall into the
"scheme" camp.
Of course the pitchman matters. It's not the main thing, but it matters. It always matters. Jerry didn't grab a homeless guy and say, "Hey, there's a bottle Mad Dog in this for you if you don't puke on the committee". There's a reason while some salesmen are more successful than others within the same company and selling the same product line.
And don't kid yourself. They may be multi-mullionaires and billionaires, but they are to a person fans of the game and Staubach has more gravitas than almost anyone you could have found. He's not just some random QB. Annapolis grad, Vietnam Vet, Super Bowl winner, Hall of Famer, the guy who was responsible for earning the "America's Team" moniker. This is especially true if John Clayton is right when he stated that it was a very clode vote.
More importantly, Staubach will be the face of the bid to get things done, to sell sponsorship, etc.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly a scheme
Today was a marketing thing. Not to dupe the fans, but to make news. Grabbing a homeless guy would have had no effect on the outcome of the vote, but would have an effect on how vote was perceived and covered. A homeless guy can't sell this story on ESPN, Roger can. THAT is why he was there, today.
As for the "close vote" crap, you can throw that one (and John Clayton) right out the window. If it was anything near "close", no city would have been awarded the game, today.
The rules are:
- The winning city must garner at least 75% of the vote
...if not it goes to:
- The team with the fewest votes is dropped and another vote is held. Again, the winner must garner at least 75% of the votes.
...if not it goes to:
- A final vote is held with whoever gets the most votes winning the game.
These extra votes wouldn't have happened today.
This means, at least, 24 owners HAD to have voted for Dallas today. Assuming the owners of Indy and Arizona ea. voted for their own city, that only leaves a possibility of 6 other teams NOT voting for Dallas. That's not "close", that's a landslide.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One other thing
The owners may be fans (I don't agree they ALL are, mind you) but they are businessmen (and women) first and foremost. And, I assume, NONE of them outside of Jerry Jones is a Cowboys fan...so what significance does Roger hold for them, anyhow? He IS "just some random QB" to most of them. And I believe your "Americas Team" history is amiss, as well. Roger had nothing to do with that moniker, but that's a different subject entirely.
Do you believe, for instance, that Jerry would make a decision on a large oil deal based on Roger being a pitchman for one of the competing companies? Or that he'd automatically just give Troy Aikman a huge auto lease contract when there were other bidders with better proposals? And these would be small business decisions compared to the Super Bowl.
I don't mean to diminish Rogers role at all, only to define it. He has a HUGE role in this thing...just not as the guy who closed the deal.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You overestimate
my point. I didn't say he was the reason. Just that it was a great move on Jones' part to enlist him. Of course the other considerations take the front seat. But Roger made a differnece or Jones and Staubach wouldn't have wasted his time. It's not binary.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And as for the America's Team
At least some think that was a lot of his doing...
America’s Team is an established term used to describe the Dallas Cowboys franchise that plays in the NFC East of the National Football League.[1] The term is recognized and often used by media outlets, including ESPN.[2]
Bob Ryan, the Vice President and editor-in-chief of NFL Films, coined this for the Cowboys in 1979. After preparing and editing the team’s 1978 season highlight film he had to come up with a title for the film.[3] He was quoted as saying:
"After the '78 season, the Cowboys had just lost a crushing Super Bowl to the Steelers. I wanted to come up with a different twist on their team highlight film. I noticed then, and had noticed earlier, that wherever the Cowboys played, you saw people in the stands with Cowboys jerseys and hats and pennants. Plus, they were always the national game on television."
Drawing upon this inspiration and that of other nationally followed sports teams, such as the New York Yankees in Major League Baseball, the Notre Dame Fighting Irish in college football and the Boston Celtics in pro basketball, which Ryan said "are all America’s teams," he decided to use America’s Team as the name of the highlight film.
During the Cowboys' first game of the 1979 season, a nationally televised game against the St. Louis Cardinals (which Dallas won 22-21), the television announcer introduced the Cowboys as America’s Team and the nickname stuck.
Dallas’ Hall of Fame coach Tom Landry originally did not approve of the appellation. He felt that it would give opposing teams extra incentive to play harder. Eventually he gave in and actually came to like the name.[4]
In 2003, NFL Films released a DVD collection chronicling the Dallas Cowboys franchise entitled The Dallas Cowboys: The Complete History of America's Team 1960-2003.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a fairly accurate portral
Of how the Nickname was coined.
But, please show me where Roger is credited even a little bit with the invention of the Nick.
In fact, I can't find Rogers name in the article you quote at all.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Staubach can close a deal
Have you looked at Staubach's real estate company's website? Check out the money that goes through the ha hands of that company. Staubach masters the art of selling. He must to succeed in the field he is in.
Technicals are fine. Data good. Good salesman make great money because they can close a deal. And Captain America did.
Doug
by dougchar on May 22, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Jerry should of had
by Deke on May 22, 2007 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A new stadium and using Roger
were BOTH used to make him money!
But no, nothing Staubach could have done to help. That Dallas city leadership is just plain DUMB.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny
So simple to sit back and call the people we vote for "dumb" when the outcome isn't what we personally wanted.
The Dallas negotiations were intense and Dallas may have overplayed their hand, but, both sides WANTED to get a deal done.
I remember when the Oilers were in discussions here with Nashville. The Mayor, upon initially hearing it was a possibility, stated "Yeah, sure, why don't we just get the Cowboys, instead". It was an intense battle that ended up with the state kicking in money (hence the name "Tennessee Titans" rather than "Nashville Titans".) and that God awful seat license thing. The people had to vote in a special election to enact a sales tax increse to finally get the deal done.
My point is, like with most things, It's NO WHERE NEAR as simple as the city council just voting to do the deal.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well duh
Of course I just "sit back and call people dumb". I didn't get into chambers during discussions. I admit, I make my judgments like most people - from news reports and my own analysis.
It's dumb to me (from the outside) because they missed a chance to do something good for the city and the high-powered, gigantic metropolis of Arlington managed to figure this Rubik's cube out. You are welcome to your own interpretation.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I was just pointing out the obvious (to me, anyhow)
Your comment was shortsighted and demeaning, IMO. I'd suggest forming opinions about things the Government does on more than media sound bites, but, that's just my opinion. I can assure you local, state, and federal Governments do things MUCH more important that the average citizen doesn't bother to learn the specifics about and the media doesn't bother to cover.
Perhaps I was using your comments to make a larger social statement. For that I am sorry. I should not try to take an individual post in a direction other than originally intended.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon
Roger was scheduled to speak for about 20 minutes. Do you REALLY believe a billion dollar deal was made based on ANYTHING he had to say in 1/3 of an hour? Seriously?
Do you honestly believe those owners, all very wealthy business people, went into this meeting today not knowing which city they were going to vote for?
If you truly believe any of this, you are very naive. Donald Trump himself couldn't close a deal of this magnitude in 20 minutes, regardless the success of his various companies. Literally tens of thousands of man hours went into making this happen and it was a done deal long before today.
Today had nothing to do with determining which city gets that Super Bowl. That was decided long ago. Today was ALL about using the "official" vote to market the NFL. To THAT end, Staubach and Dungy (and Letterman) were brilliant choices.
You are correct that Roger was selling something today, it just isn't what you thought it was.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly
Dallas was by far the largest market bidding this time around. Obviously they'd get it. The infrastructure to host it is all there. I think the NFL learned it's lesson from the Jacksonville debacle. That town simply could not handle the event.
Guess what, if the new Giants stadium they're building was a dome... NYC would have gotten it.
That said, Jerry Jones is certainly one of the longest tenured and most influential owners in the NFL. That couldn't hurt.
by JasonB on May 22, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Infrastructure
North Texas and Arlington specifically don't have the infrastructure you think they do. Obviously Roger and Jerry sold them on North Texas building up the infrastructure to accomodate a Super Bowl.
Part of that commitment is making sure the Stadium and the surrounding area is ready. Of course now that the Super Bowl is officially coming here, maybe Arlington will build a mass transit system and/or let the TRE make a stop at the stadium.
We'll see,
Derek
by DerekSTheRed on May 22, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How far
Is the city of Dallas from the stadium?
by JasonB on May 22, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arlington
Arlington is situated between Dallas and Fort Worth. The stadium is about 3 miles South of I-30 about 20 miles West of downtown Dallas and about 16 miles East of downtown Fort Worth. I-30 goes through both downtowns.
Derek
by DerekSTheRed on May 22, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Between Dallas and Fort Worth the infrastructure is more than adequate. It's easy to fly in, there's plenty of places to stay in Dallas. The area is just more equipped to handle the game than Indy.
by JasonB on May 23, 2007 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOO!!!!!!
It's only, only, only about seats!!!
Just kidding. Someone else mentioned this before... I think Jacksonville was a watershed moment for the NFL when they realized that it has grown too big for cities with limited infrastructure to handle. So I think you are quite correct that this is a factor.
by dunkman on May 23, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda
For hotels and air fare, Dallas/Fort Worth will be more then adequate. It's just getting around while you're here that could be a problem. To do any sightseeing you'll have to get a rental car and each city has their own mass transit which aren't connected in any way (except the TRE see below).
We have enough taxis for our current population, I'm just not sure there will be enough for all the tourists (although I'm sure many will come in just for the Super Bowl).
There's also the TRE which is a train that goes from downtown Fort Worth, North to DFW airport, and then South to downtown Dallas. There is currently no stop in Arlington despite the fact that it's the most direct route from the 2 downtowns.
All these problems can be corrected by 2011 and hopefully they will be. Unfortunately, Arlington has been notoriously stubborn in the past about mass transit.
Derek S
by DerekSTheRed on May 23, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be cool
if the Super Bowl became a catalyst for improving transportation there.
by dunkman on May 23, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name NFL owners
who you think never heard of Roger Staubach.
by OskieOskie on May 22, 2007 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph Wilson
Actually he's technically heard of Staubach, he just can't remember it...
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's funny
by Dave Halprin on May 22, 2007 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone think
Georgia Frontiere believes Roger is anything other than a Jerry Jones mouthpiece? I doubt SHE has a clue who he is. Heck, I'm not sure she knows who Jerry Jones is.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the stadiums had the same capacity
Indy would of won the bid.. bank it!!!
by Deke on May 22, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It defies logic
that that would be the only criteria. First, way more money is made from television and sponsorship deals than you could ever dream of getting from seats. Second, Indy doesn't have the population or marketability that Dallas does. Indy has less than half the population of DFW. Lastly, Jerry World promises to be the bst stadium in football at that point.
I do think Indy has one thing in its favor. It supports Goodell's conduct policy because they roll up the streets, and all the bars with them, at 8:30 pm sharp.
by dunkman on May 22, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
DFW is a major market, whereas Indy is small. Weather is nicer in early Feb.in North Texas than in Indiana. Dallas has a longer and richer history with the NFL than Indy.
I don't see much of a choice there.
by APerfectStar on May 22, 2007 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the fact that
the trolls over at Stapede Blue are pissed and are saying Dallas got it because of the weather.
Obviously they were hibernating when the SB was played twice in Detriot and once in Minnesota. What a bunch of crybabys.
by Terry on May 22, 2007 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That could be
Of course, weather IS a pretty good reason. Dallas/"North Texas" isn't warm during that time of year, but not having a huge event in Indianapolis in February isn't exactly crazy. The first time they had a SB in Detroit, the city froze over and it was a big logistical problem (or so NFL Films has led me to believe).
The big reason is the spectacular new stadium (plus the money involved in that) and, no disrespect to Indianapolis, the fact that a Super Bowl in Dallas is long-overdue.
by grapejoos on May 22, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vic Carucci breaks it down
This is what I like about the Dallas Cowboys' offseason moves: First-round draft pick Anthony Spencer, a defensive end from Purdue, could very well prove to be a defining player for the Wade Phillips coaching era
I completely agree that Spencer will be thee defining draft pick of the Phillips era here in Dallas.
by Deke on May 22, 2007 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
The guy just got hired and a single guy will be the defining draft pick of his "era in Dallas"?
I'm sure Landry and Johnson are quite glad their "era" wasn't defined by any single draft pick. Heck, Jimmy was HORRIBLE at drafting for the most part. He did NOT want Emmitt but was "forced" to take him at that slot. He didn't believe in Aikman so he insisted on drafting his boy Steve Walsh in the supplemental (costing the 'boys the #1 overall pick the following season in the process)and was a complete disaster in Miami where he really DID have final say in draft picks.
Allowing coaches to "buy the groceries" is a BAD idea. That's the job of GM's guided by a scouting staff that is trusted. I'm sure Phillips was enamoured with Spencer prior to the draft, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that is the only reason the team made the move to get him. At least I hope it's not. I would hate to think ANY head coach has final say on personnel decision. That simply isn't their area of expertise.
by FunCowboysFan on May 22, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think it will be Stanback
by Terry on May 22, 2007 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Courtney Brown will be
since he was drafted in the seventh round and I think he will be a very good starting CB.
by Burt D on May 22, 2007 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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